I recently purchased a winchester model 70 fw 270wsm, I dont reload and I was wondering what type of factory ammo to look into. I would like to shoot the 140 accubonds but the ammo is harder than hell to find. I wouldnt mind the 150 nosler partition but i wonder about its long range accuracy with the soft tip. I would like to be able to knock deer down to 600 or 650, the odds i would ever take a shot like that are very long. I would also like to be able to take elk to 400 thats why i would like a a heavier bullet than the standard 130. If anyone has had the same rifle and knows the ammo preferences i would love to hear from you. Its a 1-10 twist also i believe.
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Zeke
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Bones,
I don't know exactly where to start and I'm not sure I have the energy to finish.
The 270wsm is one of my favorite cartridges. Bullet selection is adequate for reloaders but I have zero experience with factory ammo since about 1969.
You're barking up the right tree. If you're using it for dual purpose then go bigger than smaller bullet weights. 140-150 shoukld be OK.
I've killed a traincar load of deer with one or the other of the 2 that I own but elect to use a bigger caliber for elk.
It's GENERALLY accepted that the .277 is just big enough for elk. I'd say it's just fine and I would not hesitate using one. Evidently you feel the same way.
It's also generally accepted that a bullet should strike with about 1800 ft lbs, at least, and a remaining velocity of 1800 fps. A quick check of the ballistics tables should tell you the cartridge's MAX effective range.
Your maximum effective range is another story altogether. If you can keep 5 shots inside a 8" circle at 650 yards, under field conditions, then you MIGHT be qualified to drop the hammer on a buck at that range. (I guess this is the lecture section)
I like the bullets (projectiles) that you mentioned and have used them in the short mag and the 270 win on a variety of game. Partition, AB, Barnes X are my bullets of choice. The higher BC bullets will have a SLIGHT edge for trajectory within real-world hunting ranges (by slight I mean an inch or two) so it's a no-big-deal IMHO. With rangefinders and lots of time at the range you'll shoot circles around a guy who pins all his hope on his new high BC bullets. Again, just my opinion.
Ok, I'm out of energy. Go buy some ammo and give it a whirl. If it shoots nice tiny groups then go out and buy all the same lot that you can get you hands on. When that doesn't work, give me a shout.
Whew!
Zeke
I don't know exactly where to start and I'm not sure I have the energy to finish.
The 270wsm is one of my favorite cartridges. Bullet selection is adequate for reloaders but I have zero experience with factory ammo since about 1969.
You're barking up the right tree. If you're using it for dual purpose then go bigger than smaller bullet weights. 140-150 shoukld be OK.
I've killed a traincar load of deer with one or the other of the 2 that I own but elect to use a bigger caliber for elk.
It's GENERALLY accepted that the .277 is just big enough for elk. I'd say it's just fine and I would not hesitate using one. Evidently you feel the same way.
It's also generally accepted that a bullet should strike with about 1800 ft lbs, at least, and a remaining velocity of 1800 fps. A quick check of the ballistics tables should tell you the cartridge's MAX effective range.
Your maximum effective range is another story altogether. If you can keep 5 shots inside a 8" circle at 650 yards, under field conditions, then you MIGHT be qualified to drop the hammer on a buck at that range. (I guess this is the lecture section)
I like the bullets (projectiles) that you mentioned and have used them in the short mag and the 270 win on a variety of game. Partition, AB, Barnes X are my bullets of choice. The higher BC bullets will have a SLIGHT edge for trajectory within real-world hunting ranges (by slight I mean an inch or two) so it's a no-big-deal IMHO. With rangefinders and lots of time at the range you'll shoot circles around a guy who pins all his hope on his new high BC bullets. Again, just my opinion.
Ok, I'm out of energy. Go buy some ammo and give it a whirl. If it shoots nice tiny groups then go out and buy all the same lot that you can get you hands on. When that doesn't work, give me a shout.
Whew!
Zeke
Thanks for the info zeke, i was really just meaning that if i were to want to pursue shooting that far i would have a viable rifle to do so. Ive never had a real world opportunity where shooting that far was remotely necessary. Ive been up and down every manufactures ballistic charts for different bullets and weights. My problem has been finding the ones i like in stores or online. Id love to find some federal or winchesters loaded with 140 accubonds but its been virtually impossible. I think ill be trying the federal 150 nosler partitions. A lot of people have told me they dont fly as accurately because they dont have a tip but i think at real world ranges on deer itll be just fine. Thanks again for the info. And i think a reloading set up is on the books for next year.
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I used to shoot 150gr factory thru my 270WSM but it's been awhile since i'm these past few years shooting 140gr Accubond hand loads.
Seems to me that my old factory loading was dis-continued, Remington Premium 150gr accutip which at the time was another name for the Hornady SST bullets. Anyway, they were a great combo for serious longish shots at mule deer. They, as i remember, still had 17 or 1800 FPE at 500 yards!! That a lot of down range retained Energy for any cartridge let alone one as diminutive as the 270WSM.
I killed one buck at 520 yards with them and another at 460 yards, both shots that pushed my abilities and are a very long ways away in hunting conditions. Sadly, they don't make that Factory loading available any longer.
Good luck in your search. when this thread first popped up, i did a quick look see thru a couple places that i buy ammo and found nothing along the lines that you are looking for. Don't give up though, as stuff comes in, it becomes available and one has to just keep looking.
Joey
"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
Seems to me that my old factory loading was dis-continued, Remington Premium 150gr accutip which at the time was another name for the Hornady SST bullets. Anyway, they were a great combo for serious longish shots at mule deer. They, as i remember, still had 17 or 1800 FPE at 500 yards!! That a lot of down range retained Energy for any cartridge let alone one as diminutive as the 270WSM.
I killed one buck at 520 yards with them and another at 460 yards, both shots that pushed my abilities and are a very long ways away in hunting conditions. Sadly, they don't make that Factory loading available any longer.
Good luck in your search. when this thread first popped up, i did a quick look see thru a couple places that i buy ammo and found nothing along the lines that you are looking for. Don't give up though, as stuff comes in, it becomes available and one has to just keep looking.
Joey
"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
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Every rifle is like a woman. THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT!
I have a custom .338 which has shot well for years. It still does but just NOT with the. 225 AB! I went back to the old boring 210 part and it's back to nice tight groups.
My 325wsm loves Barnes TSX 200 so I figured I'd try some AB's. That rifle didn't like them at all with 3 different powders and 2 different primers. Go figure!
I have others that LOVE the AB's.
You'll never know what it like until you feed it something. It will tell you if you know how to listen (shoot).
PS: you're experiencing why I like a new rifle. I love the challenge and believe me, some are challenging.
Zeke
I have a custom .338 which has shot well for years. It still does but just NOT with the. 225 AB! I went back to the old boring 210 part and it's back to nice tight groups.
My 325wsm loves Barnes TSX 200 so I figured I'd try some AB's. That rifle didn't like them at all with 3 different powders and 2 different primers. Go figure!
I have others that LOVE the AB's.
You'll never know what it like until you feed it something. It will tell you if you know how to listen (shoot).
PS: you're experiencing why I like a new rifle. I love the challenge and believe me, some are challenging.
Zeke
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I recently bought a 270 wsm and had the same experience as you finding factory ammo. Finally several local stores started stocking boxes of Barnes Vor-tx 140gr. TSX. I haven't shot these out of this gun but have experience with them in other calibers, so I bought some and will test them out. I've also seen Nosler Custom Ammo in 140gr. accubonds for sale online and in a couple stores. The problem for me is the price for Nosler is around $60. and the Barnes are around $40.
Ive seen those noslers with the accubonds also, but i just cant afford 60 bucks a box. What about the double tap ammo with the accubonds? Have you guys ever used or heard any reputable reviews of them? I found 1 review online that said he chronographed the load at like 150 fps slower out of the same length barrel as it was tested with. Id like to at least stay notably faster than the 270 win with similar bullets otherwise whats the point.
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Bones, Being i'm handloading, i have some 270WSM ammo you might be interested in or if not that's ok too as it's hard to get, costly, or i could always use the brass.
Win. Supreme, Factory 130gr Nosler E-tip, nickle brass. I have 2 1/2+ boxes of these Barnes like bullets. I'll also add at least 6 rounds of Win 140gr factory Accubond ammo for you to try and see if it shoots well in your rifle, 3 full boxes, $120. includes shipping.
Joey
"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
Win. Supreme, Factory 130gr Nosler E-tip, nickle brass. I have 2 1/2+ boxes of these Barnes like bullets. I'll also add at least 6 rounds of Win 140gr factory Accubond ammo for you to try and see if it shoots well in your rifle, 3 full boxes, $120. includes shipping.
Joey
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Joey,
That's a very reasonable offer for that top-shelf 270 WSM factory ammo. The nickle brass is HOT looking stuff too! Unless he's dead-set on someting else, that's a great deal.
My old 300 win mag will shoot the 180 barnes but not the 180 AB but it will shoot the 200 AB. It also loves the 180 CT Failsafe. Man, rifle sure know what they like and don't like. It's rare indeed that a gun will shoot them all with a high degree of accuracy. (I know we're talking about the 270 WSM. This is just another example of why you should try several rather than try to settle on just one load.)
Zeke
That's a very reasonable offer for that top-shelf 270 WSM factory ammo. The nickle brass is HOT looking stuff too! Unless he's dead-set on someting else, that's a great deal.
My old 300 win mag will shoot the 180 barnes but not the 180 AB but it will shoot the 200 AB. It also loves the 180 CT Failsafe. Man, rifle sure know what they like and don't like. It's rare indeed that a gun will shoot them all with a high degree of accuracy. (I know we're talking about the 270 WSM. This is just another example of why you should try several rather than try to settle on just one load.)
Zeke
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I've had good luck in the past w/ the factory 150 grain Partition Federal stuff. Clocked 3100+ fps in my 26 inch barreled Savage heavy barrel and went 1/2 inch at 100 yards. Dropped a cow elk at 457 yards w/ one shot w/ the load and an antelope buck at 350 yards w/ one shot so it should work great for deer/antelope. Might not work in your gun, but worth trying a box.
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In case more are wondering, i just have those 6 factory 140gr Accubonds. I may have a couple few more in my camper, here or there but almost certainly, not a full box.
Zeke, yeah, i paid over $50. a box for that stuff then add the shipping which is outrageous... i think it's a great deal for someone. Thanks!!
Joey
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Zeke, yeah, i paid over $50. a box for that stuff then add the shipping which is outrageous... i think it's a great deal for someone. Thanks!!
Joey
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I also have a Browning A-bolt in 270wsm and after trying several factory loads I am using Nosler 150 grain long range accubond. I am having really good groups with this ammo, but the main reason I use this ammo is because I use the same rifle for elk, deer and antelope and want to use at least a 150 grain bullet for elk. I know a lot of guys out there will call me crazy for using the same bullet for elk and antelope but once I have a round that works good for my gun and I have it sighted in for that ammo I don't like messing with it. Downside is 1 box of the nosler 150 gr long range accubonds are $60.
