E-Tip or TTSX

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I drew a northern Arizona deer tag this year and just received the tag. AZ game and fish is requesting copper bullets for the sake of the condors. Any thoughts on these bullets? 300 Weatherby, maybe the 168 or 180's.

I have been using 180 gr Speer factory loads for many years and just switched to Nosler Accubonds, again 180 gr.

I am not a reloader, but could have a local load for me if needed.
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-10-15 AT 01:49PM (MST)[p]I'm kind of a Barnes AND Nosler fan but I've never fired the E-Tip. I have shot countless Barnes in TSX and TTSX and killed innumerable critters with them. They've always shot really well and their ability to work on game is legendary.
Zeke
 
I haven't experimented too much but:

My 270WSM did not like E-Tip at all,2-3", but does like Barnes TTSX.

My 280AI shoots the barns -1" but that's not near as well as i get with Accubonds.

My old factory Rem 25-06 prints the 100 gr TTSX about 3/4"to 1" depending on the day. Again, i can easily better that with other ammo.

For me, none of my hunting rifles shoot the lead free stuff as well as Accubonds, BuT, i found that the Barnes TTSX shoot plenty well enough to hunt with being i consider a long shot to be anything over 300 yds and max, with perfect conditions, out around 500.

Joey


"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
 
If you don't hand load I would go with the Barnes for factory availability. My 25-06AI loves the ETips as does my 300 RUM. Nothing wrong with either bullet and both will perform similarly on game. For Coues I would load a light for caliber solid at high velocity.---------SS
 
I can't speak for the E-Tip, but the Barnes worked real well for me in several rifles. Think about the TSX too, I've had real good luck with them.
I am a big fan of both companies. I might recommend trying both.
 
The TSX is superior in every way, it's all about the grooves.

The E Tip builds higher pressure to get lower velocity and less accuracy.
















Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
Barnes sells their ammo load already for you. It's under the name of Vor-Tx Barnes. I hand load some 270 loads for my daughters rifle. I chronographed my reloads and Barnes Vor-Tx and they where the same. So if I am running low on brass or time . I just pick some up at Sportsman's warehouse .
 
I saw that but didn't see the 300 weatherby on the free list, but the bullets are on the list. So I thought I would just get the bullets and load some up.
 
Due to the relative hardness of the bullets, Barnes and a lot of shooters recommend seating the bullets a little deeper in the case. Normally, my wife's Tikka likes the ogive about a thousandth or two off the lands, but I had to go about 5 thousandths with the Barnes.
 
Barnes recommends about 50 thousandths. One or two thousandths is kissing the lands and not really the best for hunting!

Usually the bullet seating length is determined (hampered) by the magazine length since the throats are often too deep!

10 thousandths is usually really close and 20 is about right for most bullets to shoot well BUT IT ALL DEPENDS ON YOUR RIFLE. They're all so different.

There you go... according to me.
Zeke
 
We went with the E-tips both are good bullets. Because of the hardness of the pure copper bullets manufacture instructions in the bullet box require backing off the seating depth to reduce chamber pressure. Also a reduced powder load...I contacted Nosler to get best load results from their tests. I am sure you can get the same type of loading data for the TSX copper bullets. Best to research before you load those copper bullets....different pressures normal loads for lead is overload pressures for copper at near maximum loads.

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I shoot the 168 TTSX in my 300 wby. Set back from the lands is not an issue with weatherby cartridges because they all have a lot of free bore so its kind of automatic in the set back area. Because of all the freebore, Weatherbys tend to be set up perfect for the all copper bullets. The 168 TTSX gave me full penetration on a bull moose at a ranged 400 yards. He stayed on his feet for a total of 1 second after the shot. I am an admitted Barnes whore but I worked for them for years and have a lot of experience with them. both personally as well as second hand. I don't work for them any more and have no real love for the company politics but they do still make a great bullet.
 
>Soooo...What does a "cloverleaf" measure? mtmuley
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You tell me. There's 4 rounds in that cluster

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>.75 isn't a cloverleaf? mtmuley

.75 inch average center-to-center is not a cloverleaf. You still have paper between the bullet holes. Maybe you and I have different definitions on what a cloverleaf is.

.75 inch is sub-MOA, more than sufficient for minute-of-deer at any ethical range, and on its own good shooting. But the previous poster seem to express disappointment with shooting "only .75" with Partitions while shooting .5 with Barnes. I only recommended that he look at his recipes if he's trying to get tighter groups because it's quite possible to shoot under .75 with Partitions.
 
Other than for extreme long range shooting any hunting rifle that will shoot partitions under 1" is good to go. let's be realistic.


I at one time left the tried and true partition for the TSX for better ballistics and slightly better accuracy. after a half dozen elk , a few deer and a moose with the TSX I'm back to partitions for good. I never lost an animal with the TSX but the under expansion tested my tracking skills in a way the partition seldom did. there may or may not be a game bullet as good as the partition, there is no better bullet. there is a reason Nosler still sells them like hot cakes 65 years later in this age of a new bullet every week.

If I had to shoot a solid copper I'd shoot the tipped TSX and get the best accuracy, velocity and expansion possible .















Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
I think 440 is astute on this point:
The TSX is more controlled (slower expanding) than the TTSX (tipped bullet promotes more rapid expansion).

My results have been more stellar than Dean's since I've used both types in a variety of cartridges on Coues deer to moose with perfect results.

With that said, there are no flies on the old tried and true Partition and it remains the standard by which all other good bullets are judged.

Zeke
 
IMO, guys debating the killing prowess between a TTSX and partition is a akin to mental masturbation..They are both killing SOB's.

What guys dont understand about mono bullets is twist + velocity turns them into a wrecking ball. Also forget your behind the should aim spot with monos, line up as much bone as you can and crunch it.
 

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