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schoolhousegrizz · Apr 14, 2017

LAST EDITED ON Apr-14-17 AT 09:11PM (MST)[p]Do your broadheads truly hit EXACTLY where your field points do? My Grim Reapers are fairly close. Out to 55 yards they are with in an inch to 2 inches, slightly low. Out to 80 they are right there left and right but about 6 or 7 inches low. I am shooting a single pin slider. I can easily compensate for this drop by adding about 1.5 yards onto the actual yardage. That is my plan. What say you?

3blade · Apr 14, 2017

I always have to shoot the broadhead first so I don't cut the fletch off the fieldpoint arrows. I'd say thats close enough.

schoolhousegrizz · Apr 14, 2017

LAST EDITED ON Apr-14-17 AT 10:40PM (MST)[p]3blade, what about after you get out past 10 yards?

fullthrottle · Apr 15, 2017

Mine fly slightly lower the further out you get, I believe it is the wind resistance. About 4" lower at 100 yards. Other than that very accurate.

3blade · Apr 15, 2017

>LAST EDITED ON Apr-14-17
>AT 10:40?PM (MST)
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>3blade, what about after you get
>out past 10 yards?

I'm a tuning freak and won't accept anything less than perfect arrow flight, so shooting a bare shaft into a 8" circle at 70 yds, or like today at 30 shooting a broadhead, field point, and the bare shaft into a 1" dot, longer distances coming up.... is no big deal. But it does take patience and persistence.

c3 · Apr 16, 2017

The answer is no for most bows. Having perfectly true nock travel is required and virtually impossible to achieve.

Aerodynamically bh's and field points are very different and again require you to pick a distance where they are closest. For practical hunting distances 50, 60 and maybe 70 yards they are close enough though.

Like 3blade, I am a firm believer that if you can get a bareshaft to fly straight and group with your field points, fixed blade bh tuning becomes way easier.

Just remember some bows will never launch an arrow straight due to skiwampus nock travel that can't be tuned out and you'll have a bare shaft missing a 4'x4' bail at 30 and 40 yards.

#blade what bow are you getting 70 yards with your bareshafts?

Founder · Apr 16, 2017

I'm certainly no archery expert, but I never could get my fixed blade broadheads to fly right. Maybe I just didn't invest the time needed to do so???
So, I shoot expandables. The Epek broadheads. Not sure they even exist anymore.
They fly the exact same as my field tips.

My wife shoots fixed blade broadheads. They fly close to the same as field tips, but 45 yards is the max she even shoots.

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schoolhousegrizz · Apr 16, 2017

Thanks guys, mine are shooting pretty dang close out to 80 yards. After that they start to dive down a little bit. I can easily adjust for that on my slider sight

3blade · Apr 16, 2017

"3blade what bow are you getting 70 yards with your bareshafts?"

A D340 and a HCA X10 and no, I don't yoke tune. The x10 is the first bow I ever did it with and since then I have also done it with a Diamond Fugitive and a Deadeye. Olympic shooters do it with recurves to 80 meters and I have found it can be done with wheel bows as well. It can however take quite a while to come up with the right arrow combination.

However, there are some broadheads out there that just don't fly worth a chit, at least for me inspite of this tuning.

Deepcolor · Apr 16, 2017

My BHs always shoot slightly left of my field points, they will hit a little low out past 80-85 yds. I used to stress big time and have just accepted a minor sight adjustment when the BHs get screwed on in late summer. 100 gr slick trick standards.

This has been the norm for my last 2 bows.

schoolhousegrizz · Apr 16, 2017

Thanks deepcolor, nice to hear that I'm not the only one that deals with this stuff

BUGLEnmIN · Apr 22, 2017

I've shot Magnus for five years now, extremely accurate , killed my last buck at 88 yards , if not exactly like my field point, darn close

BracNSW · Apr 26, 2017

60lb Carbon Icon Bowtech
125gn QAD Exodus and field points
Whisker biscut rest
2" blazer vanes with helical

When I do my part (50-60% of the time), BHs are always the low arrow in the group out to 70 yds (4-6" groups). The other 40-50% of the time broadheads inevitably are 2-4 inches low and 2-4 left of FP group at 70 yds. Left and low always. Only 1 in 20 groups is the broadhead (shot first) in the top half of the 5 FPs.

I think left is grip torque which the broadheads may pickup more, and the low is wind drag, at least that's my theory. If I add 1yd to my pin between 40-50 and 2yds 50-70, it seems to help, so that's what I do in field.

I do have my broadheads numbered, as some seem to group with FP's better. Best ones (1-4) are dedicated for hunting. They group with FPs probably 75% of the time.

Rotating the nocks on the broadheads really helped some arrows consistently group better w/FPs.

After 1000's of shots, 100's of rest/nock adjustments and endless hours...I'M DONE!

sticksender · Apr 28, 2017

schoolhousegrizz, Grim Reapers are well-known for speed loss against field points beyond 50 yards. This means they strike lower than field points at distance due to drag-induced speed loss. In fact, the manufacturer states as much right on the broadhead package. It has nothing to do with tune. The magnitude of this effect was a surprise to me when I first started shooting them years ago. Now I keep my sight tape set for the Reapers (using their practice heads). And then when I practice shoot with field points at 60-100 yards, I simply shoot for groups, not point of impact. OTOH if you're off left and right, that's a tuning or shooting form issue.

oilcan · May 6, 2017

Not exactly but I shoot slick tricks and they fly plenty good for me.

arrowslinger10 · May 8, 2017

schoolhousegrizz low broadhead flight is quite common (I'd say 1 out of 10 bows IME). Like many guys have said their are a lot of variables including the bow you shoot, the arrow spine, speed, etc. But, because fixed blade broadheads catch more wind and can cause a bit more arrow rotation the arrow can lose a tiny amount of speed which shows up at longer distances and on some setups the broadhead will hit low. The fact that your arrow hits well left and right and is grouping good tells me your bow is fairly well tuned.

I would consider adding 10 grains of weight to your field points (can find an insert that will accept added weight to the back) and see if that will cause them to fly the same.

10 Grains will not make a hill of beans difference at close range and could very well tighten those groups up at distance.

schoolhousegrizz · May 8, 2017

Thanks for the advice!

bojangles · May 9, 2017

just use an expandable.

i don't have any tuning issues.

my shwackers don't group as tight as field points, but the difference is negligible. Groups i could get at 50 yards were about 3-4 inches.

But the deer still died, 57 yards.

UtahJimmy · May 10, 2017

>just use an expandable.
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>i don't have any tuning issues.
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>my shwackers don't group as tight
>as field points, but the
>difference is negligible. Groups
>i could get at 50
>yards were about 3-4 inches.
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>
>But the deer still died, 57
>yards.

Terrible advice, DO NOT use expandable broadheads to cover up tuning issues. If you need help tuning, go to a pro shop.

You owe it to the animal to have your bow properly tuned to the arrows you are using.

This whole "fly like field point" fixed head marketing crap is getting ridiculous. You should be able to get your bow to shoot a good, sharp, fixed BH. Then if you so choose to shoot an expandable, do it without hesitation.