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LAST EDITED ON Jun-06-04 AT 02:28PM (MST)[p]I was just notified that I am moving to Fairbanks AK and what to ask around about what caliber has had success and what you all would recommend I have a 7mm ultra mag now and its a great muley/elk gun but a little worryed that it might bea little lite for moose and bear in that country I was thinking bout a 300 ultra mag or a 300 short mag. I also am a avid bowhunter but am a little worryed about bowhunting up there since I tend to hunt by myself. Does any body know the laws for carrying a pistol while bow huntin in Alaska?
 
Although you will get some big bore fans all riled up, I believe the .300 mags are perfect!
The shoot flat and hit hard!
I DUMPED my 10 foot Kodiak Brownie with my .300 WBY with 200 grain Noslers.
It wouldn't be the choice for a guide in close quarters with a wounded bear,but you can do it all in AK with the .300's!
 
A good friend that lived and worked in Alaska for over 20 years use these two rounds for everything he hunted.
1. 35 Whelen
2. 280 Remington

All rounds were handloads. I too have and shoot a .300 Weatherby and concur with HH about it also.

Brian
 
My vote would also go for the 300 win mag, that's what I have used up here for the last 15 years, this year I'm switching to a 30-06
 
.375 H&H in a model 70. works for everything there. kicks a little, but it works. if you're just gonna hunt sheep and goats in high country, take a .270 or a 7mm. if you're gonna be in country that might have a brown, take a .375.
 
Thank for the info I have a 30-06 and a .280 and a 7mm ultra mag so if I invest in a 300 I'll be set I don't know about .375 seems a little big for an all around gun but then again I don't know a hole lot about that round. The other round that I was told to look at was 45-70 and I know nothing about that round at all. thanks for the help.



Joe
 
I knew someone would mention the .375 H&H or the .338.
They are both proven calibers and you can argue till you are blue in the face!
You have got to remember Alaska's wide variety of game!
Yeah the .375 is VERY popular for the BIG bears and Moose.
I have one, but was told by my vereran Kodiak guide to use my .300 Weatherby because of it's flatter trajectory and it performed perfectley.
For reaching across big canyons on a sheep or goat hunt you need that flat trajectory and for sitka blacktail the .300 gives you enough power should you encounter a big bear and have a problem,
It can reach out there across the big tundra flats to knock down a bull caribou too.
It is in my opinion the perfect Alaskan caliber,whether you choose the Weatherby,Winchester or Ultra Mag!
 
Your 7MM Ultra mag. will do any thing a 300 Weatherby will do. You could by a new gun but in my opinion with the selection of good bullets available you have plenty of gun already.
 
I'd have to argue for the heavier bullets avaliable in the .300 caliber.
When it comes to animals that can Kill you and eat you,you need the penetration and bone smashing power of bullets of 200 grains and bigger that won't blow up on impact.
I'd go .300!
 
.300 or .338 would both be excellent for hunting Alaska but in my opinion so would the 7MM Ultra mag which Joe already owns. The Ultra mag has 13% more powder capacity than a.300 Weatherby and 20% more than a .300 Win.. Team that up with a 175 grain Nosler Partition at over 3,000 f.p.s. - get the picture. It used to be few bullets could hold together at these velocities but with the new bonded bullets you can have speed and penetration. In my hunting experience several big game animals have been killed instantly dead with heart lung shots at close range with 3,000 f.p.s. impact velocity, hydrostatic shock. When in high school I worked in a butcher shop where we processed animals culled from the national bison range, mostly bison but deer and elk also. The shooters gun of choice was a 220 Swift, he could have used anything he wanted but this gun efficiently got the job done at field ranges. Todays gun scribes would have you believe a cannon was needed to dispatch an animal the size of a bison. Once a friend shootin 30-06 with accelerator ammo - 22 caliber hollowpoint in sabbot at over 4,000 fps penetrated a piece of 3/8" plate steel with a nice round hole while my 300 Win. put a large pock mark but did not penetrate, we were shooting at about 25 yards. Speed, heat, boring action, why would this blow up bullet penetrate plate steel? I guess my point would be to not under estimate the effects of high velocity. Once while visiting outfitter Billie Stockton in Wise River Jim Zumbo was there and was writing an article on cartridges for hunting elk. We talked about killing elk and he said he was just filling the pages, more bullshit.
 
I think you can carry a pistol...but if on a bow-only hunt you'd better not use it on the animal...be safe & check out:
http://www.wildlife.alaska.gov/regulations/bowhunt.cfm

Caliber wise...I prefer the 300 wby because it is a flat-shooting load with enough energy to take a brown bear if needed. If I get only one gun, it's the 300 wby. 338WM is my 2nd choice...a little much for sheep & deer...drops like a rock beyond 300 yds. Most popular load in AK...338 bullets are cheap. 3rd gun/insurance policy: I always kept a 45-70 with open sights behind the cabin door for those pesky bears.

You will love Alaska. Find a good friend...hunting alone in AK can be dangerous, and I'd hate to gut a moose by myself.
 
Don't over look the 375H&H, I carried my 300win.mag for years while hunting northwest Montana but purchased a 375H&H after moving to Alaska. I like the knock down power it offers while I am bear hunting and it's done me a good job on a few moose. I am using a 25-06 for caribou and wolves. My 300 has just been gathering dust for some years now. Your really going to enjoy that area northeast of Fairbanks along the Steese Hwy. I have had a couple good hunts there. I know of a few hot spots out that way if your interested drop me a line.
 
I've decided to go with the 300 win. mag for a few reasons one being I can't find a hole lot in left hand in the other calibers I want to by a stainless steel laminated stock. Do I need stainless steel for up there? what I read says yes I've been looking at the rugar m77.
 
stainless is a good idea. Most of the firearms I carry here are either stainless or rust. It's worth the extra bucks.
 
I would go with the .340wby. And I'm not ashamed to plug my .340wby thats for sale and just so you know I would have said the same thing if I wasn't selling mine. With or without the muzzle break my gun's felt recoil is not bad at all. Less than my dads .300Rum. I like the .340wby very much because I can shoot 185-200gr loads for deer, antelope,sheep and 225-275gr loads for the really big stuff. If you don't like the .340wby then the smallest I'd go is the .338win. I just think I'd be more comfortable with the calibers for the big bears that roam alaska. Here is the link to my gun. You can email or call me with any questions..

http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976483762.htm
 
You BIG CALIBER BOYS just make me roll my eyes .. god almighty

Theres going to be hunters (including me) out there with their faithful 270 or 7mm or 30-06 .... that will be able to shoot circles around you guys with heavy magnums on every big game ... even grizzly / moose etc. And kill them as effectivly or quicker with well placed accurate shooting skills.

Don't try telling me those calibres above are no good for grizzly because I can personally say one 7mm has killed over 10 grizzlies with one shot .... from 30 yards out to 250 yards. And don't get me started on the numbers of moose, deer, elk, sheep and goats either..........

I find many many guys (not all of you) to go to large calibre guns to compensate for lack of good shooting skills....and therefore the heavy bullets, ballistics etc will save their hunt when they hit the animal (somewhere).
 
Another way to look at it may be like this. Over the last 25 years I have guided a little over 200 different men on big game hunts in either Montana or Alaska. I believe the cross section of people I have guided would be similar to the ones that might read these posts. Out of these 200 men I would say 10% were good shot's when a live animal was in front of them. Probably better than half of them were excellent shots off the bench at the shooting range. The rest would fall some where in between. When a man is finds himself 30 yards from a bugling bull elk for the first time he may not have the steady aim he has when shooting at a white tail for the 20th time. Same goes for a lot of guys when they have a brown bear or even a moose in their sights, if it's not a common sight for them.. Its times such as these that I want to see an animal disabled from a shattered shoulder if no vitals are hit. A magnum caliber could be what keeps a not so perfectly hit elk or bear from running 2 miles before they fall dead. When I respond to a post it would be foolish of me to think all who reads these posts would fall into the top 10% of the hunters that can hold a steady aim in any given situation, so I respond accordingly. But truthfully I wouldn't trade my
Ruger no.1 375H&H when I am hunting coastal brown bears in thick brush for any other gun???.except maybe a 375 that holds more rounds ?

~Jeff~
http://www.Jeffalaska.com
 
I'll toss in my 2 cents. Just returned from a hunt last fall. I used my bow but had to grab a rifle in the end. That rifle was a 338 win mag that I was very familiar with. 225 X or 230 grain failsafes. We shot 2 caribou with it. Mine was 802 yards and I did shoot twice since he didn't go down with the first round, both solid hits. Bullets expanded but passed through. Second bull was just over 300 yards. Both hits were shoulder hits. Total penetration again.

Not that much recoil, very accurate. Can reach out for long range shots easily. Should pack plenty of up close punch in a bear situation(though I'd feel safer with even a bit more).

I have seen the videos of bears shot with this rifle. Pretty well hammers em. Even one was shot after the bullet accidentally passed through about a 3 inch tree. Bear never made it far.

I have a couple of 300 mags that would work but I tend to lean to the heavier side, just in case. Nice to have the horsepower if needed. And with modern breaks and a bit of practice the mags are easy to shoot. And if you are not shooting light bullets hyper fast the mags don't destroy much meat.

My thoughts.

Jeff
 

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