HOW BOUT IT Amy???

elkassassin · Nov 20, 2015

Wondering what Passesd/Didn't Pass at the RAC's?

Any New NEWS?

Thanks Amy!

Go Ahead!

Make Me take it down!

nebo12000 · Nov 23, 2015

This isn't Amy--- but the Central RAC did pass unanimously -- no magnification on muzzle loader scopes, mid-October LE elk season on some units ( they added the Wasatch and Manti units) Every thing else on the agenda passed also( CWMU, waterfowl, season dates for big game, LOA permit numbers, etc) Richard Hansen RAC member

Zeke · Nov 23, 2015

So it looks like the big scare about big scopes on muzzleloaders was unfounded. From what Richard is saying, it's status quo with regard to magnification.
Thanks for the update,
Zeke

nebo12000 · Nov 23, 2015

I wouldn't plan on the WB staying with the "no magnification on muzzy's" It wouldn't surprise me if they end up with a compromise and allowing up to 4x or 6x. There's been some chatter about that among the WB folks....

huntinfanatic · Nov 23, 2015

Southern RAC approved the new mid season rifle hunt(also added wasatch and manti). Lots of discussion on the muzzy topic but it passed 7-4. So northern and central region where against magnifying scopes, southern was for magnification.

Not to derail you post bess but, I will say on side note that after listening to the southern region RAC members speak during the comment period I was pretty disappointed in a few of their comments. A few seem to have forgot or don't care that they represent specific interest groups. I was blown away when I heard one of the new members say the reason he was against the new october hunt and wouldn't vote for it because HE wants a september tag! Are you f'ing kidding me! And to think he is a rep for the public at large. Same went for the muzzy comments, two members that voted for magnifying scopes said they were for scopes because THEY are getting older and can't see as well. Obviously personal feelings and preference will come into their decision on whether to vote for or against something but to not take into consideration what the sportmen or the public at large want is ridiculous to say the least.

Another interesting note was the new approach by the ranchers and cattlemens assoc. to reduce game populations. Instead of complaining about losing money, crop damage and competition for feed with their livestock on public land like they have in the past, they are now really concerned about the elk destroying crucial sage grouse habitat and the ever fragile aspen trees.

Amy · Nov 23, 2015

Hi there, Bess.

I'm guessing that you're mostly interested in the big game votes at the RACs, so that's what I'm posting. If you'd like to know about the other agenda items, please let me know.

BUCKS, BULLS & OIAL 2016 SEASON DATES, APPLICATION TIMELINE & R657-5
RULE AMENDMENTS

Northern Region RAC

MOTION: Recommend the Wildlife Board not modify the scope magnification
beyond 1 power on muzzleloaders.
MOTION PASSES 7 to 5

MOTION: Adjust the West Cache Urban Deer extended archery boundary to
accommodate landowner concerns by shifting the boundary to state road 142.
MOTION PASSES unanimously

MOTION: Recommend the Wildlife Board accept the adjustments 1- Box Elder
West pronghorn unit east boundary to align with Box Elder Pilot Mountain elk
and rocky mountain big horn sheep eastern unit boundary. 2- Box Elder
Snowville pronghorn unit, southern boundary to the road paralleling the Union
Pacific rail road grade. 3- Box Elder Snowville pronghorn eastern unit boundary
description change shoreline to high water mark and or fixed elevation.
MOTION PASSES unanimously

MOTION: Recommend the Wildlife Board accept the remainder of Bucks, Bulls
& OIAL 2016 Season Dates, Application Timeline and R657-5 Rule
Amendments as presented.
MOTION PASSES unanimously

Central Region RAC

MOTION: To not allow scopes with increased magnification on muzzleloaders
MOTION PASSES 10 to 1

MOTION: To add a mid-October limited entry rifle elk season on the Wasatch
Unit
MOTION PASSES 10 in favor, 1 abstention (Alan White, stated that he didn't
fully understand the reason for the hunt, and as a landowner, he thinks there are
too many hunters already and this motion would add more hunters)

MOTION: To add a mid-October limited entry rifle elk season on the Manti unit
MOTION PASSES 8 to 2, 1 abstention (Alan White, same reason)

MOTION: To accept the remainder of the recommendations as presented
MOTION PASSES unanimously

Southeastern Region RAC

MOTION 1) That the Division look into revising big game season dates as a
whole with the goal of moving archery seasons to September to improve
opportunity and prevent meat spoilage.
MOTION PASSES with two opposing votes (9 to 2)

MOTION 2) That the muzzleloader scope regulation be left unchanged.
MOTION PASSES with three opposing votes (8 to 3)

MOTION 3) Prohibit the attachment of electronic range finders on bows
MOTION PASSES with four opposing votes (7 to 4)

MOTION 4) That the Division look at all hunt boundaries and remove all
national parks from the hunt boundary descriptions and maps.
MOTION PASSES with four opposing votes (7 to 4)

MOTION 5) That the Central Mountains-Manti deer unit boundary be changed to
include the Green River valley.
MOTION PASSES unanimously

MOTION 6) That the remainder of the Bucks, Bulls and OIAL 2016 Season
Dates, Application Timeline and R657-5 Rule Amendments be accepted as
presented with the inclusion of all aforementioned motions.
MOTION PASSES with one opposing vote (10 to 1)

Northeastern Region RAC

MOTION To accept DWR?s plan as presented.
MOTION PASSES 8 to 1

Southern Region RAC

MOTION: To accept Bucks, Bulls, & OIAL 2016 Season Dates, Application
Timeline & R657-5 Rule Amendments as presented with the exception to
simplify the regulations on sabots and combine the goat hunts into a single season
hunt that starts in September and ends in November.
AMENDMENT TO MOTION: To include in the mid-season elk hunts the
Wasatch and Manti units.
VOTE ON AMENDED MOTION: Passes 9 to 3
MOTION PASSES: 11 to 1

huntinfanatic · Nov 23, 2015

^Thanks for posting that info. It will be interesting to see what the WB decides to do about magnifying scopes on muzzleloaders with 3 RAC's voting against and 2 voting for.

fullthrottle · Nov 23, 2015

Seems pretty black and white to me. 3 beats 2. Right?

fullthrottle · Nov 23, 2015

Am I missing something? Let's have a "primative" weapon hunt and make it as least primative as we can. Give the deer a freakin chance judas. If you increase the magnification sure guys are going to be more accurate, but the excuse of there being less wounded game because of a higher power scope is B.S. Guys will just stretch that distance out even further. You will have people taking 400 yard bombs and likely wounding even more game. And essentially having a early high country rifle hunt on your hands. That's going to help the mature buck population. Every Tom ##### and Harry knows the muzzleloader hunt Is already a big buck wrecker. Don't you think we as hunters have enough of an edge as it is, much more technology and the "sport" of hunting will be lost.

Deerlove · Nov 23, 2015

If the scopes increase, will have every swinging ##### out there with there NEW super muzzy ie gunwerks that's for sure.

huntinfanatic · Nov 23, 2015

Fullthrottle, The only thing the WB is required to do is consider the RAC's decisions. It's far from being set in stone.

elkassassin · Nov 23, 2015

Thanks Amy & others for the Info!

So?

They're thinking about adding another Elk Hunt on the Wasatch?

JUDAS!

I was sure wanting to put a 6X18 LEUPOLD on My SmokePole!

(((RAZZIN!)))

These Inlines Ain't Nothing but Rifles!

I Don't know about anybody Else?

But Where you gonna make Room for more Hunts than We already Have?

JFP!

Let's give these Animals some Relaxation Time!

Go Ahead!

Make Me take it down!

Downrange · Nov 23, 2015

I like the idea of a magnifying scope on a muzzleloader. Guys with 1x scopes are all ready shootn out to 300yds so it wouldn't matter anyways. Archery hunters are shootn out to 100yds, rifle hunters over 1000 yds. It's gonna happen with every weapon. If you guys don't think hunters are all ready using a magnification scope on their muzzleloaders your crazy cuz it happening now. I'm ok with it now as it is but I wouldn't mind it at all if it was allowed either.

elkassassin · Nov 23, 2015

I'm siding with Alan White & I don't even Hunt the Wasatch!

They gonna Keep pounding it until We have another Anthro Situation Ain't they?

Go Ahead!

Make Me take it down!

elkassassin · Nov 23, 2015

So Ed?

What Power of Scope you running on your SmokePole?

Go Ahead!

Make Me take it down!

fullthrottle · Nov 23, 2015

^^^Thats funny^^^

Downrange · Nov 23, 2015

1x. Smart ass ha. How bout you.

elkassassin · Nov 23, 2015

>1x. Smart ass ha. How
>bout you.

LMAO!

Couldn't Resist!

1X on My SmokePoles even though My TARD Eyes are 1.5X!

Go Ahead!

Make Me take it down!

goofyelk · Nov 24, 2015

Just what the Wasatch needs, Another freak'in LE elk season..

I'll use Bess's quote "Judas" ....Got to be kidding?

Deerlove · Nov 24, 2015

Dang Ed get a back bone and turn them in, or get em some glasses.

Zeke · Nov 25, 2015

When I finally re-draw a LE mezzleloader deer tag I'm planning on shooting out to 600 yards anyway so I might as well have a big scope on the rig!
Now, how high do I hold? LMAO

Zeke

cyrus · Nov 25, 2015

Are the tag numbers for the new october wasatch hunt being pulled from the septmeber tags or are they just issuing more permits?

Deerlove · Nov 25, 2015

I think there being pulled from the early n late.

bowedark · Feb 28, 2016

next can use red dot with hold over, if not let go for night vision scope or let us <not sure what called> we could one the detect heat you could get off brush some shots that way

0 power scope OK maybe 1x power

So what is the rule at this point???

with NR going in the draw points 15 elk 16 moose a tag is not forth coming anywho