How do Landowner Appreciation tags work?

hunter4fun · Oct 14, 2016

In Utah I read that if you own 100 acres you can get a landowner appreciation tag for you or your immediate family. Do you have to farm this land or can you say buy pretty cheap junky land just to get a tag every year. Can you take elk or is it deer only?

scandalousbob · Oct 15, 2016

Here's a link that might answer some of your questions.

https://wildlife.utah.gov/rules-regulations/972-r657-43--landowner-permits.html

Looks like you can get one general landowner buck deer permit for each "eligible property" of 640 acres (eligible meaning agricultural land or land that contains deer habitat).

Also, looks like you can get a permit for a minimum of 100 acres of "cultivated and mechanically harvested crop lands", at the discretion of DWR, provided that the land is "relied upon by migratory deer to meet herd management objectives".

I know a few people who utilize this program for landowner permits. Some of the permits have to be used on the property itself (i.e. farmer gets a permit to shoot a doe in his hay field). And I don't think they'll give a permit for an animal that doesn't actually use your property. In other words, if you bought 100 acres of sand in the middle of the desert, I think you'd have a tough time convincing the DWR to give you an elk permit for it. Hope this helps.

hunter4fun · Oct 16, 2016

Thanks but I've read all the regs already. Hoping to see anyone with real world experience eg got tags and how much work it is. Eg I can grow a carrot in a pot and claim it's cropland since it was grown on my land. My understanding is Utah gives you a tag for the entire unit your land is in. The idea is that your land is helping out the deer population. Seems I could get some junky undeveloped land cheap and make this work...

Homer · Oct 16, 2016

>Thanks but I've read all the
>regs already. Hoping to
>see anyone with real world
>experience eg got tags and
>how much work it is.
> Eg I can grow
>a carrot in a pot
>and claim it's cropland since
>it was grown on my
>land. My understanding is
>Utah gives you a tag
>for the entire unit your
>land is in. The
>idea is that your land
>is helping out the deer
>population. Seems I could
>get some junky undeveloped land
>cheap and make this work...
>
...goodluck

scandalousbob · Oct 16, 2016

>Thanks but I've read all the
>regs already. Hoping to
>see anyone with real world
>experience eg got tags and
>how much work it is.
> Eg I can grow
>a carrot in a pot
>and claim it's cropland since
>it was grown on my
>land. My understanding is
>Utah gives you a tag
>for the entire unit your
>land is in. The
>idea is that your land
>is helping out the deer
>population. Seems I could
>get some junky undeveloped land
>cheap and make this work...
>

Sounds like what you're looking for is a loophole. You could try it, but I doubt it would work.

hunter4fun · Oct 17, 2016

Not sure you think it's a loophole. 100 acres will prob cost you a good chunk of change and tag is only good for you and your family.

hossblur · Oct 17, 2016

I hunt on private ground, 2 different land owners. Both are very cool about letting people on. Both have asked for bull tags every 5 yrs or so, instead of depreadation tags. Both are waiting, and have been for decades. Going dedicated would be cheaper and easier

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"

scandalousbob · Oct 17, 2016

>Not sure you think it's a
>loophole. 100 acres will prob
>cost you a good chunk
>of change and tag is
>only good for you and
>your family.

Seems like a lot of money and effort for a few deer tags. How much do you realistically think you're going to get 100 acres for, even "junky undeveloped land"? And that's assuming you could convince the DWR to give you permits for it.

There are a lot of general deer units you can draw every year for archery. Even for rifle, most units are only every 2-3 years. And there are plenty of places outside Utah where you can still get permits over the counter. If your goal is to hunt more, seems like there are a lot of much easier ways to accomplish this.

hunter4fun · Oct 17, 2016

$2k an acre so figure $200k for 100acres, $640k for 640acres. If it can be used for something else and serves as an investment why not?

scandalousbob · Oct 17, 2016

>$2k an acre so figure $200k
>for 100acres, $640k for 640acres.
> If it can be
>used for something else and
>serves as an investment why
>not?

What else would you use it for?

hunter4fun · Oct 17, 2016

Possibilities: Investment eg sell it for more later when property goes up. Rent it out for farm land. Build a cabin later. Use it as a shooting range. Why does anyone buy land?

In theory land never really loses value unlike the structures like your house is old and things break. Bonus is you get a tag to play with. If all I wanted were tags then I could just buy a landowner tag for $10k off the for sale forum here...

scandalousbob · Oct 17, 2016

>Possibilities: Investment eg sell it for
>more later when property goes
>up. Rent it out
>for farm land. Build
>a cabin later. Use
>it as a shooting range.
> Why does anyone buy
>land?
>
>In theory land never really loses
>value unlike the structures like
>your house is old and
>things break. Bonus is
>you get a tag to
>play with. If all
>I wanted were tags then
>I could just buy a
>landowner tag for $10k off
>the for sale forum here...
>

As long as the land you buy qualifies as an "eligible property" per the DWR definition, then I don't see why this wouldn't work. Let us know how it turns out.

1911 · Oct 17, 2016

Yes. For every hundred acres of salt flat you get 3 tags each of any and all hard horned big game animal. Hope this helps. PS, I think the word you are looking for is depredation.
http://www.monstermuleys.info/dcforum/User_files/4abc76ff29b26fc1.jpg

Gunnie3035 · Nov 3, 2016

Landowners can do whatever they wish with the tags. Most LO sell the tags. How do you think the guides get hunters every year in the same LE units.

Cooper · Nov 10, 2016

I'm too lazy to read all of the rules, but what's the benefit of a landowner tag? I mean if you could already just put in for a rifle deer tag there and draw, I totally understand the limited entry part of this obviously, but say you had 100 acres of farm in Randolph, what does a landowner tag differ from a general season tag ?