RAC meetings start tonight

Amy · Nov 9, 2016

Just wanted to post a quick reminder that Utah's 2017 big game proposals are going out for public comment and discussion, starting tonight. If you have feedback or questions about the proposals (or you just want to hear them in detail), we hope you'll attend one of the regional advisory council (RAC) meetings. Here's the schedule:

Northern Region
Nov. 9, 6 p.m.
Shepherd Union Building (Room 404)
Weber State University
3848 Harrison Blvd, Ogden

Central Region
Nov. 10, 6:30 p.m.
Springville Junior High School
189 S 1470 East, Springville

Southern Region
Nov. 15, 5 p.m.
Cedar City Middle School
2215 W Royal Hunte Drive, Cedar City

Southeastern Region
Nov. 16, 6:30 p.m.
John Wesley Powell Museum
1765 E Main St, Green River

Northeastern Region
Nov. 17, 6:30 p.m.
DWR Northeastern Region Office
318 N Vernal Ave, Vernal

Amy Canning
Communications Specialist
Utah Division of Wildlife Resources

Silentstalker · Nov 12, 2016

Any reports from the central rac? Like Most years I had to work. Mostly curious about their ideas on the preference point changes and elk objectives.

dillon · Nov 12, 2016

I like the idea of having a late season archery hunt for people who draw mountain goat tags and don't harvest an animal during the regular season. These hunts are almost 100% harvest success as is, but I prefer to bow hunt and this option would allow me to keep trying with my bow for one more week in November if I can't close the deal in September. I have 13 points, so my day is coming in the next 65 years or so.

As for preference points, I want to see a system where you lose your points if you draw your first choice or any rifle or muzzleloader permit. I think you shouldn't lose your points if you get an archery tag as a 2nd-5th choice.

Just my thoughts.

Dillon
www.dillonhoyt.com

huntinfanatic · Nov 13, 2016

LAST EDITED ON Nov-13-16 AT 09:09PM (MST)[p]Anyone know how the Northern and Central rac voted on the preference point change and the new management deer hunts on the Henry's?

Rackster · Nov 14, 2016

Dillon,

Just curious, are you a bow hunter?

dillon · Nov 14, 2016

Yes. I love bowhunting. But I also like to rifle hunt and hunt with a muzzleloader.

elktaker · Nov 14, 2016

>I like the idea of having
>a late season archery hunt
>for people who draw mountain
>goat tags and don't harvest
>an animal during the regular
>season. These hunts are almost
>100% harvest success as is,
>but I prefer to bow
>hunt and this option would
>allow me to keep trying
>with my bow for one
>more week in November if
>I can't close the deal
>in September. I have 13
>points, so my day is
>coming in the next 65
>years or so.
>
>As for preference points, I want
>to see a system where
>you lose your points if
>you draw your first choice
>or any rifle or muzzleloader
>permit. I think you shouldn't
>lose your points if you
>get an archery tag as
>a 2nd-5th choice.
>
>Just my thoughts.
>
>Dillon
>www.dillonhoyt.com

Though this would be awesome for me. I think it would be unfair to non archery hunters (I archery hunt just as a note).

This would allow me to archery hunt a unit every year and build points the entire time. I would be building point just as fast as a guy holding out and not hunting for a gun or mz tag.

desertpointbrian · Nov 15, 2016

>I like the idea of having
>a late season archery hunt
>for people who draw mountain
>goat tags and don't harvest
>an animal during the regular
>season. These hunts are almost
>100% harvest success as is,
>but I prefer to bow
>hunt and this option would
>allow me to keep trying
>with my bow for one
>more week in November if
>I can't close the deal
>in September. I have 13
>points, so my day is
>coming in the next 65
>years or so.
>
>As for preference points, I want
>to see a system where
>you lose your points if
>you draw your first choice
>or any rifle or muzzleloader
>permit. I think you shouldn't
>lose your points if you
>get an archery tag as
>a 2nd-5th choice.
>
>Just my thoughts.
>
>Dillon
>www.dillonhoyt.com

Even as a bow hunter myself that idea sounds greedy.

Shadow · Nov 15, 2016

And, it does nothing to close the loophole. You'll just have thousands of archers Putting in for thousand lakes rifle.

muleyhunter413 · Nov 15, 2016

What loophole?

Shadow · Nov 15, 2016

The one where we all put in for thousand lakes knowing full well we won't draw and accumulating points for not drawing our first choice, but then using our points that we do have to draw the unit we really wanted (as a second choice because of those preference points) ahead of people that listed the same unit as their first choice.

Sherlock · Nov 15, 2016

muleyhunter413...your kidding, right?

dillon · Nov 15, 2016

I'm one voice in many. I see why some people don't like my stance on preference points, especially with archery exceptions. I think we can all agree that the current system is not perfect and needs to be reviewed and possibly changed.

I will be watching the board meeting remotely online. I am very interested to see how these proposals advance in the RACs and the board meeting.

Dillon

muleyhunter413 · Nov 15, 2016

No, I am not kidding. I like the system as is. It's not a "loophole". This is how the system works. I like it. I know some may not like it. I just disagree and I don't like when people say there is a loophole.

Sherlock · Nov 16, 2016

Ok. I see. I thought you were implying that you were not aware of this "loophole", or whatever you want to call it. After all the discussion on it, I would be surprised if there is anyone left not aware of it.

I think it's just easier to use a one word description.

I still haven't expressed my opinion about it. So here goes...

I like it and would like it to stay the way it is. But I do see how if I lived near Thousand Lakes, or it was otherwise my unit of choice to hunt, it would really piss me off that the points to draw it are way over-inflated because everyone is using it to pad their points.

JakeH · Nov 17, 2016

I was at the ne rac, it passed unanimously, they said the other four racs passed it as well.

I was the only person who stood up to opose it at my rac meeting. I think you should only lose points for first choice, then the rest should be a random draw where your points don't matter.

Don't know why I even tried, the one guy voting didn't even know the difference between a preference point and a bonus point.

Jake H. BIG BONE HUNTING Page on Facebook.

why · Nov 18, 2016

thanks jake I missed unbelievable. ask some people to go said they did not want to talk to fence post .they feel rac do know good its all about the money.!!!!!!!!!!