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This will rattle the cage. I'm an avid whitetail hunter from Minnesota who is enjoying the trips out west every year for mountain game more and more. I rarely look at the whitetail forum on this site and looking at the posts I'm reminded why I dont look at the forum and why my scale is tipping more every year to focusing the most on my trips out west. I wont cover all my thoughts as I'm sure I'll be pummeled already but it makes me physically sick to see the world of whitetail hunting transform to the state that it's in now. I really enjoy the pictures of the deer coming into the automatic corn feeder and the salt licks and the "semi-natural mineral licks". Adapting to the quary is where I find my joy in hunting, not shooting the deer you pulled off your neighbors property and fattened up for 4 years. I just thank god the west hasn't been tainted yet with the desire only to kill and not the actual persuit. Sounds a little harsh but I just call it like I see it and it saddens me to see this crap viewed as ethical. Real hunters need not reply to this post, save that for the POSER'S.
 
LostArt? I'd say lost art. I'll tell you whats lost...the amount of public access land!!! The reason it has come to that in states like Kansas and Iowa is due to people like Cabelas and Bass Pro Shops. The fact is the majority of the land is PRIVATE. Food plots and mineral suplements are the only reason these deer are getting so big. If you don't pull them in to your property with attractive feed your neighbor will. I've also got news about your disallusioned vision of the west. If you don't think that landowners don't do things to get and keep game on their property you're out of your mind. The big difference in the East vs West is that the East is more populated. Here in the west we don't usually hunt within eyeshot of the gas station on main street. The beauty of the Midwest and the Eastern states is that you can have only 100 acres or less and still have a chance at harvesting a descent buck. Drop the "more holier than thou" attitude. I know guys out west that think you Easterners are a bunch of lazy arse hunters because all you do is sit in a stand all day. Some of those "stands" are heated with nice chairs. Don't smack the guy that puts out corn or feeders to attract game. I'm sure there are things you do as a hunter that some would say are questionable tactics but who cares. As long as it is legal, knock yourself out!

It's always an adventure!!!
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I concur with the loss of public land. Maybe I should put it this way, if it ever comes down to me having to rely on a corn feeder or a salt lick to harvest a buck then I quit. I'm not gonna fight it out with the east vs. west, I dont know what broght that on. You show me a 200" buck shot off a feeder and a sike shot 2 miles in using a natural funnel I would do a full body mount on that spike before I would even keep the 200" horns. Some of these guys talk a huge game only to find out there hunting bait piles. Correct me if I'm wrong but I always assumed the trophy went to the guy that knew the game and the woods not the guy with the most salt blocks. I pride myself on my ethical approach to the sport, if that makes you think I'm trying to sound better than you than thats your deal. I know every buck that I've harvested was followed with a sense of pride and respect for that animal, if I were to hunt food plots and the like I know that feeling would at a minimum be less intense, no thanks.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jul-25-08 AT 10:40PM (MST)[p]You're the one that brought on the "east vs west" thing. I just made a comparrison. I'm not slamming the way you hunt. I admire your zest for the natural way. You're the one that is slamming the way others hunt. Like I said, do it your way but there is no need to bash the way others hunt as long as it is legal. It's illegal out west to use manufactured feed/feeders for wild game. Mineral blocks are another story. Between the sheep and cattle on BLM and Forest land there are mineral blocks in just about every draw. Don't ever think that the buck on public ground you are hunting hasn't made several stops at a mineral block before you got to him. The very "funnel" you are talking about may go right down to a water hole or a salt block put out by a rancher. You still have to pattern the deer/elk. I personally use the cameras and food plots/feeders to see what's in the area. I know it's worth my time when good bucks start showing up to eat. If you are the hunter you say you are then you know as well as I do that the big boys go nocturnal at the slightest bit of pressure and the only time you ever see them is on your camera, feeder or not. I have a question for you. Do you use estrus scent or other attractants on the game trails you hunt? Do you use decoys? If you do, what's the difference between scent attractant and corn? In your mind, is using a decoy ethical? I don't doubt your hunting capabilities or your passion for the outdoors and I share your pride and respect for the animals that I hunt. I just choose not to bash somebody else for the way they hunt. Good luck to you this season. I hope you are successful while some of us "POSERS" are left to wonder if what we are doing is ethical.


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You bring up some good points, no doubt. There are grey areas in the seldom talked about hunting ethics. My passionate stance on this issue offends many but also sparks the debate were having right now. When you flip the tv on its hard to see a whitetail hunt without some sort of strategic man made alteration to the environment put out strictly for harvesting deer. The reason I get so spun up about this is the fact that these practices became industry standards overnight. With the added suppliments, often year round, were not hunting the bucks we did yesterday, were hunting IMO a deer and steer hybrid. I understand that there is areas where guys are basically forced into this because of the competition you mentioned earlier and that has tainted the sport. You must admit that these tactics have some people relying less on knowledge of there quary and there use of the terrain than in the past. Awholelottabull you bring up some valid points and I see your logic on some of these things, I just feel the sport I love and the sport that got me into all the hunting I do now is losing its simple and natural purity.
 
Hey LottaBull, take a pill, man. The guy was just commenting in a general sense about the way hunting has become something so different than what it was when we first took to the fields. He is entitled to his opinion, as you are to yours.

I see nothing in his first post that "slammed" the way others hunt. If you are over-sensitive about such things, I guess you might find such in his first post.

I think if you calm down and re-read your posts, you will realize that you are coming on pretty strong. Passion and hunting is understandable.

The comments must have hit a nerve with you. I suspect most of the guys on this site, but certainly not all, wish the feeders, and food plots, and bait, and all the BS that seems to be the rage in the whitetail world, had never come to the market.

Free country, and free enterprise, so it is to be expected that hunting and commerce would eventually lead to pimping of all these products. I don't have a problem with free enterprise.

Sounds like you are sensitive about the fact that you use some products or techniques that many folks find distasteful. Sorry about that. Keep using them if you want.

But, when a guy starts talking about the processes/products that are part of the cause of us losing a younger generation of people with traditional hunting skills, don't expect the whole world to take your side.

If folks think that taking kids out, putting them in heated blinds, over piles of bait, with feeders turned on, (as is often the case in the whitetail TV world) is creating long-term hunters with skills, interest, and an understanding of the conservation history of hunting, I would strongy disagree with them.

Much of what accubond referred to, are the exact things that are contributing to loss of interest in our sport. It is helpful for the few people selling products and shooting big juiced-up bucks, but as far as I am concerned, if I never see another whitetail shot on one of these shows, that would be just fine with me.

I am a hardcore whitetail junkie, but I agree with accubond, and his points that the supplement pouring, food plotting, corn feeding, apple baiting, and often high-fenced crowd does little to help the long-term future of hunting.

I am thankful that our western animals are harder to influence with such tactics and products, though many are applying such to western hunting.

You gave your opinion, and shared your passion for hunting, as will others. I sure don't expect you to change your opinions or hunting practices based on opinions others post here.

Happy Hunting!

"Hunt when you can - You're gonna' run out of health before you run out of money!"
 
No pill needed BigFin. I probably did come on a little strong. About as strong as my Eastern friend did. Just a sign of passion for our sport I guess. I am fortunate to get to hunt both. As far as hunting whitetails, I have only been exposed to one form of hunting whitetails and that is from a stand, over a game trail using scents or rattling them in during bow season or from a stand over a food plot or a "natural food source". Honestly, that is the only form of whitetail hunting that I have seen, heard of or taken part in. If there is another way I would love to hear about and be educated. The way I see it (and I am only speaking from my limited experience on whitetail hunting) the whole "tainted" hunting tactics evolved from the average guy trying to compete with the big boys in keeping deer on their property. It is extremely competetive in the midwest as I'm sure it is in Minnesota. If you look at my posts, I haven't ever slammed a person for their choice in hunting practices as long as it was legal. I am not an expert by any means which is why I believe that the guy that shoots a spike elk vs the guy who shoots a 400 class bull has as much right to claim it a trophy if that is how he views his kill. Who am I to say what is ethical and what is not. Ethics are beliefs formed throughout life based on the types of experiences we have had as well as experiences and beliefs of those we look up to and respect. Granted, some are questionable and I do agree, for me it is more satisfying to shoot a buck/bull that I have worked hard to get in a natural setting, but I don't disrespect the guy that goes to Texas and hunts them in a high fenced area. That's his choice. I respect the oppinion of BigFin as well as accubond. Believe it or not, I do agree with the majority of your comments, and as for the rest we just agree to disagree. In a friendly way of course.:D I really do wish you the best in your hunts this season.


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LAST EDITED ON Jul-26-08 AT 09:31AM (MST)[p]Bull:

Your points in that last post are great and explains it very well. I figured that was where you were coming from, knowing your passion for hunting.

Thanks.

Hope you get the big one this fall.

"Hunt when you can - You're gonna' run out of health before you run out of money!"
 
Good points BigFin. I have several nephews and young son of my own and to say my brother and I are excited to introduce them to the sport is an understatement. As I see the authors of the books I've read that made me the hunter I am today(physically,mentally and ethically) slowly drift towards the food plot revolution I feel a little betrayed. I will try to teach my son by my example how I think animals should be persued and hope he shares my passion. I might come off sounding a little erogant but that isn't my intent, I just like to talk about this because I feel its avoided and theres no reason we can't have a healthy debate over the touchy issue of ethics. Awholelattabull and bigfin, I enjoyed reading your points of view and respect the passion we all ultimately share for this great sport. No matter where you stand on this issue I wish everybody a great fall.
 
Accubond,

I bet you could find many Indians that feel the same way about you. "Look at all those white people using their 4 wheelers,binoculars, scent lock clothing,long range rifles, etc.... to harvest deer." If you want it pure, go back to a loin cloth and a long bow. What is the difference between the technology you use and what others use.

How is a western hunter better that sits near a farmers field, or hunts around an agricultural mineral lick or a water hole for that matter. They had no part in preparing the "draws" for the animals. I and many others take pride in the many hours I put in to plowing, planting, fertilizing, and weed control to prepare a food source to benefit the animals I hunt. What joy should a western hunter have in shooting a buck in a farmers alfalfa field? They had no part in the planting, Etc.

Hunters take what advantages they can. As new technologies cone along, they are used. If your not in a loin cloth and hunting with a long bow you made yourself, you don't have any room to put down another persons way of hunting as long as it is legal.

To be honest, I have several food plots, I have planted, and several salt licks, and I have killed zero bucks in or around them. The big bucks I have seen are still very wary and don't freely visit the plots during daytime. The bucks I have killed have been back in the woods along a game trail I have scouted and luckily happened to be in the right place at the right time.

I used to partially feel the way you did. I lived in Idaho until I was 21 and had many of the same mindsets about western hunting you have. I chalk it up to ignorance. If you have not tried something don't knock it. All that you see on T.V. is not the full truth. Often those shows have 30 or more hours of hunting time condensed to the 20 minutes you see. Most hunts out East are not like what you see. Since living in Ohio for 9 years, I have found it to be every bit as difficult and challenging to kill a big deer as it would be out wast.

If you would take the time to maybe try hunting out East, you may lose a little of your ignorance as well.
 
Some or you guys make my Azz want to take
a dip of snuff.

I live in rural TX, always have.

Have hunted private propety for, about
30 years now.

THATS WHAT I HAVE...

Should, I not hunt this nice ranch, because
the owners grandson has a corn feeder out there ??

Can I not set up my bow stand at a tank (pond),
because you know-it-all, smart'arsed Mo'fo's that have
never set foot on private land.....don't like it...

I think not. Y'all can kiss my arse. I'm gonna kill a
pretty good buck this year.....of private land....

prolly no DEAMON corn feeder involved....

I cant post pics, but will get someone to, just to hack
off you private land hateing IDIOTS.

Larry
 
Ive2143, who said anything about it being wrong to hunt private land? Ohiohntr, I live in MINNESOTA not out west. My point is that in most cases you dont need food plots or mineral licks to tag a buck, Im no pro but have enjoyed some pretty good success in big forrest, farm land, public and private land all without the use of a trail camera, food plot, mineral lick etc. Now I have been labeled an ignorant private land hatin mofo for proudly stating my point of view on the subject of ethics. I guess if you guys come out of your corner swinging for the fence I must have you questioning your approach. This topic is too touchy to talk about I guess so I will just drop it. However you go about it at least your in the field doing what you love and there is no need to argue with that, good luck to all this fall.
 
Larry:

Please, take a dip. If you are including me in your label of "private land hating idiots," take two dips, because you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

To answer your question, I would hunt that land if I was you, and I would place my stand where ever I damn well wanted. I wouldn't let the methods of other hunters determine how I hunt.

In case you didn't get it, no one was telling you how to hunt. Guys were discussing trends in hunting that seem to be changing the way most of us grew up hunting.

Discussing that once a state allows baiting, it becomes a baiting game. Discussing the fact that in states where baiting is legal, if you don't bait, but your neighbors do, you won't have any deer. And other things that IN THE OPINION OF SOME (opinion only), are not good for the long-term health of deer herds or the future of hunting.

Nobody said chit about private land. WTH did you come up with that one? I own private land. I hunt private land. I hunt public land, also.

I might be a "know-it-all smart'arsed Mo Fo." I've been called a lot worse than that, by my grandmother of all people.

Your post is friggin' hilarious.

Here is a private land whitetail, taken without apples, corn, feeders, food plots, of the other stuff that everyone seems to be so happy to defend, when some of us talk about our preference to hunt in other manners. Knock yourself out with those things. Your comment isn't doing anything to change my impressions of 'em.

Taken while still hunting, through the willow bottoms.
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With my teenage son (aka "smart'arse," Jr.) still hunting the river bottoms.
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Rattling the creek bottoms.
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This private land was accessed by being a good neighbor and offering to shoot nothing but does for the first three years. Now, we get to hunt bucks, if we shoot a bunch of does first.

If you want more proof I have stepped my "smart'arse" feet on private land for the purspose of hunting whities, let me know. I can PM you a bunch more, saving the folks here from my meaningless drivel.

Please, get someone to post your pics. I want to see them. I am sure I will like them, and it won't "hack me off."


Ohiohntr:

You call folks "ignorant," without knowing what hunting experiences those "ignorant" people have. My first ten years of hunting were midwestern whitetails, before moving out west 22 years ago. This year I have IA, KS, and MO whitetail tags. Those hunts will be non-guided and NOT over food plots, bait, feeders, ........ Methods of my choice, not influenced by others. And, I would offer that you should hunt according to your choices and not worry what others think of it.

Some of us "ignorant" people do happen to know what it is like to hunt east of the Rockies, so no need for us to be "learned" of the errors in our ways. My wife agrees that I am "ignorant," but not based on the grounds you have cited.

I do agree that shooting a big eastern whitetail is difficult. Very difficult.

Happy Hunting to both of you. I hope you both shoot whoppers this year and post them on this site. Really!

"Hunt when you can - You're gonna' run out of health before you run out of money!"
 
When I claimed people were ignorant, I included myself as being that way. I used to have a huge bias against whitetails and Eastern hunting, That is until I lived here and actually experienced it. I am sorry if a persons situation might be different, but most of the people I see with the chip on their shoulder against certain hunting areas or methods are people who have never even tried hunting those areas or methods.

Unless something illegal is being done,we hunters need to stand together, not start claiming "your trophy is less of a trophy because you didn't harvest it the way I think you should or I would have". When comments are made that turn hunters against hunters, no good will come of it.

I see planting food plots, placing mineral licks, or seasonal supplemental feeding, etc. as a way of enhancing the strength of the herd, not as a bait pile to hunt over.

I enjoy scouting the trails, picking an ambush site, and hoping a little luck will come my way.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jul-26-08 AT 11:56PM (MST)[p]BigFin,
While I'm sure there are things you and I disagree on, it looks like we do agree on one thing.....the importance of hunting with your kids. Thanks for posting those pics. What a very cool thing to see. The smiles speaks a thousand words!:D

I hope those bucks are hanging right next to each other on the wall!

It's always an adventure!!!
www.awholelottabull.com
 
Ohiohntr:

Don't be apologizing for what you enjoy and beleive in. Glad you are getting after it. BTW, your posts are articulate and good to read.

Like you said, no one's trophy is any less of a trophy than anyone one else's trophy. Every deer I have ever shot was a trophy in my mind, though probably not in the mind of anyone else.

The food plot stuff you are doing seems to be a necessessity in the area you are hunting. If you weren't, how would you keep any deer around, if your neighbors were planting the huge plots?

Smack one of those Ohio monsters this year and let us druel over the pics.

AWLB:

I have to be careful about posting pics of my son. I have lots of them and they are my favorite memories. I think I have a tendency to talk about our (he and I) hunting so much, that folks think I need to give it a break.

He has been a lucky kid. He has been lucky to take some really impressive critters. He has hunted many states and many species. He is pretty humble about it all, unless he is trying to put the Ol' Man "in his place."

He heads off to college in three weeks, so I will be having withdrawals this season. We couldn't have hunted any harder, during the times we had. Every spare minute was in the field, at the range, in the boat, or something related to hunting and fishing.

I would say that even if I shot a bunch of world record trophies, the greatest memories would be of he and I in the field, especially when he was really small and got excited to see anything, even tweety birds and rabbits. To watch him grow into a hunter that works at it hard, knows the conservation story of hunters, and make no apologies of his family's hunting heritage.

Damn, I'm gonna miss him. Glad to hear it when others like yourself are making kids a priority. As hunters, I am not sure what could be more important than to get/keep kids involved.

Happy hunting guys. Good luck this season, and post your pics when you have them.

"Hunt when you can - You're gonna' run out of health before you run out of money!"
 
Gentlemen,

I'm not trying to pick a fight.
I assure you of that. I'd like for
us to have a Good Whitetail forum here.

Please forgive me if I'm a butt.
I tend to get serious about this stuff.

Bigfin, you and your sons stuff is Great.
I've seen your pic's elswhere.

Damned good deer. Like the way you boys
do it year after year.

Lar
 
Bigfin

Great pictures and thanks for the comments.

Here are two photos of my sons and their first bucks. My second son was 5 when he shot this 7 pointer. It is actually the only buck we have taken from a foodplot. In Ohio, no license or tag is needed if hunting your own land. I took him out for the youth season to a double stand I have overlooking one of my plots. Right before dark this buck stepped out and he drilled it through the heart with my muzzleloader. He has been hooked since.

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The other buck is of my oldest son. We were back in the woods overlooking a game trail and this nice 10 pointer came walking through. It happened to be the same buck he missed earlier in the year during bow season.

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Some people may feel foodplots are unethical or unfair hunting. I actually see it as a great hobby. Hunting season is such a short time of the year. I spend the other 8 months scouting and planning where I can plant a better plot, plowing and planting, and then watching it grow. I probably don't have to plant them as there are several fields nearby I could hunt. I enjoy doing it. I feel I have more of a part in the health of the herd.

I don't have a corn feeder, but I do occasionally throw out a few pounds by my trail camera. I also have made mineral licks. I do this throughout the year, mostly to scout which deer are in the area. It is interesting though that the biggest bucks I see and film, never hit the plots. I sneak into the fields for pictures of them. I do occasionally put out corn during the hunting season. It is a great place for my younger sons to cut their teeth on seeing deer and possibly harvesting one. I usually hunt stands further back in the woods, but I would not hesitate to shoot a monster if he walked into my plot. I would consider him every bit a trophy as if I would have stalked him by foot. I have found in my many years of hunting, that you never know what will happen. That is why I love hunting. It is so unpredictable. Two years ago my season was over 10 minutes into it when a big 8 pointer walked by opening morning. Last year I hunted many days in many places and ended up getting nothing. (I had a 180+ buck 125 yards from me and my gun didn't fire, but that's another story)

Here are some bucks I filmed last year. I hope they are still around.

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I can't wait. The season here is only 2 months away.
 
See....we start out with huge differences in oppinion now we're sharing pictures of our kids.:D That's what I'm talkin about! I don't have any whitey pics with my kids but here's a couple to put on the braggin board.

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It's always an adventure!!!
www.awholelottabull.com
 
It's like a fella told me about antelope hunting. You can make it as much of a hunt as you want to. Put a picture of a big buck on anything and a hunter is gonna buy it! We are all looking for that silver bullet that will make us a big buck killer. In the end, we realize that hunting hard and smart is the closest thing to a silver bullet that we'll find.
 
Ohio and AWLB:

Great stuff guys. Thanks for sharing.

Glad I read this thread before goign to bed. I have a "smile like a ripple on a slop pail," (Gramps favorite saying for a side-to-side grin) knowing that you guys are havin' the times of your lives as you spend days afield with these youngsters.

Keep it up. I look forward to seeing your pics from the upcoming season.

Great share!

"Hunt when you can - You're gonna' run out of health before you run out of money!"
 
Accubond, Give me a break. Your comments lead me to believe that you can walk on water. LMAO I think maybe you should quit hunting back East since more than likely just about every deer you see must have come from someones elses property. Obviously you must hunt with a rifle (accubond). If you are such a expert hunter why use such an unfair advantage as a gun. I think maybe a spear would be more in line for you.
 
If relying on the basics instead gimmicks makes me an expert where does that put you TK. You are correct with your assumption about my use of a rifle, although I dont remember bringing up a hunters weapon of choice? Since you brought it up I have killed 2 bucks with my muzzleloader, 2 bucks with my bow and several with my rifle, only 1 of the bucks killed with my rifle was what I would consider out of bow range. As far as walking on water, I havent tried it in awhile but if I can still do it I will post the pic.
 
Accubond,

What do you mean by the basics? Do you wear a loin cloth and stalk the animals in moccasins with a long bow you made yourself? Did you make your own arrows or knife?

I had friends growing up that actually did hunt like that and harvested deer. (They were kind of weird socially, but that's another discussion) They would feel you are using "gimmicks" to hunt.

You didn't bring up weapons, but you clearly put down other people's perfectly legal hunting methods as inferior and unethical. There are people that could say the same about your hunting methods. It's all a matter of perspective.

You probably wouldn't have a problem sitting by a trail leading to a farmers alfalfa field, an acorn tree, or a water hole to harvest an animal. How is that different then hunting in or around a food plot. At least those that hunt food plots have several hours of time invested into the cause. You're doing the exact same thing (hunting food sources) but let others, (farmer or nature) do the work.

One of the things I feel the least ethical thing a hunter could do besides poaching is belittle other hunters that are participating in legal, legitimate, fair chase hunting. It does nothing but give anti-hunters fuel for their cause. If you don't prefer the way others hunt, fine. Just don't get on a site and start spewing how your deer and trophies are so much better because you did it your "natural" way. With all the attacks hunters face, they need to stick together.
 
Ohiohntr, I see your logic and can't say I dont agree. I'm extremely passionate about this and sometimes I get carried away. I did enjoy reading the more inteligent responses to original(possibly over the top) post, yours included. Reading the other less inteligent(from way in left field somewhere) gets me spun up a little bit. I've been reminded in the past but sometimes lose site that we dont need arguements among hunters. As mentioned earlier as long as were all within the law lets have a good fall.
 
I have been hunting whitetails since I was 10 years old. I live in NC, the only big game animals we have to hunt here are WT deer, eastern wild turkeys and black bears.

I hunt at home and somewhere out west every year. I am hooked on elk right now but I still hunt deer every season at home (bow/muzz/rifle).

I don't bait deer although it is legal here I just choose not to. I figure there is enough corn piles in the woods that I can just catch them on my families property headed from one corn pile to the next.

It is really comical how things are around here during deer season. Almost every hunter thinks that the prerequisite to being a hunter is having a 4-wheeler and 2 tons of corn.

Here are a few points to ponder in this east vs. west hunting discussion.

1. What is the difference in shooting a deer over bait or a food plot in the east and shooting a deer out of a 100 acre alfalfa field out west?

2. Like I said I don't bait or hunt food plots but I don't have a problem with everyone else doing it here because it is making the deer I hunt bigger and healthier and it isn't costing me anything. And they aren't going to get the big ones, they are waaaaaay too smart to walk into a bait pile or food plot during the daylight hours.

3. I think the reason a lot of people bait in the east is because we don't have the advantage of seeing deer from miles away like you can out west. You can't spot and stalk hunt here.

4.If you hunt deer in the east you are probably like me and have to hunt private land because there just isn't much public land to hunt like out west.

I love to hunt elk and muleys out west in the Rocky Mtns. to me that is the pinnacle of North American Big Game hunting but if you don't live in the Rockys you have to do the best you can to satisfy your hunting itch.

I have hunted Northern Maine for whitetails 3 times. There are some bruisers in the woods up there and they don't come easy. Probably just about the same as hunting in the woods of Minnesota.

I am lucky that I have a few good places to hunt whitetails here at home in some big woods, and I love hunting big woods whitetails. But if I ever get down to just having 10-20 acres to hunt like a lot of other hunters that I know then who knows, I too may have to give baiting and food plotting a try. If you can't go to the deer then you have no choice but to try to bring the deer to you.
 

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