Colorado fees inclease

Could see this coming as soon as the DOW combined with Parks. Hunting makes money and Parks loose money so they stick the hunting with adding more money to pay for things other than hunting related things!
 
I'm at my limit for the price of nonresident license! They raise it again and its not worth it for me! If a lot of other non residents feel the same Colorado DFW will feel the pain!
 
They told us they would financially remain 2 separate entities. :D Now we can introduce wolves twice as fast!
 
They're looking at whackin our dicks, the in staters, not you fellers.

From the article:
DENVER - Colorado wildlife officials are holding meetings across the state seeking support from sportsmen and other groups for a plan to double the cost of in-state hunting and fishing licenses.
 
DW you probably know what I think!!! Not going to do it. Get rid of Parks and start working for what funds you. Losing Public access as well as tags. You got to stop the way of thinking of just throwing money at a problem instead of fixing the problem. I could go on, but I am not going to bore everyone.
 
Below is a link to another article where Colorado claims they did not keep up with the Cost Price Index (CPI) for licenses and, if they had, the cost for resident would be $88 (basically double what it is now).

So that would mean non-resident would raise to $1200, I assume. But certainly higher than $600 and you also gotta pay that big fee each spring just to get a PP.

Colorado just isn't worth it. I have 2 PPs. If the price stays the same next year then I will probably use them next year. If it goes sky high with no PP only option (like Wyoming does) then they can have them. And that's that.

http://www.journal-advocate.com/ste...s-inadequate-colorado-parks-and-wildlife-says

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>All they'll ever need mogreen is
>just a little mogreen!

LMAO.



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Yup that rate hike will help corporate Denver big time!! While a trickle of funds make there way to physical management. I want to see results not paper or gigabyte's of stored data and public hoopla.

"Courage is being scared to death but
saddling up anyway."
 
Could be. Or they lose their ass. And, for us, it gets a lot harder to get a tag in another state. People are not going to pay that kind of insane money to chase Raggys.

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I hunt, therefore I am. Harvest the land. Taking of the fallen
lamb.
 
In typical liberal fashion, they will run everyone out of the state and then tell the residents they have to pay more taxes because of a loss in hunting revenue due to global warming.

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I hunt, therefore I am. Harvest the land. Taking of the fallen
lamb.
 
Hard to reply with all the BS and other misinformation happening!

First of all NR tags are tied and have been tied to the CPI. as a result they have kept up. Resident tags however can only be adjusted through the legislature.

The increase is needed... Like most people this thread proves that hunters, like most are hypocrites. In one breath we brag about how hunting protects animals and is good for wildlife management. We brag that hunters are the primary funding source conservation, etc. But whine how we have to pay to play.

The resident tag cost have not increased for 10 years. It is time for our prices to increase. We need to step up and supply the funding needed.

For those blaming the Parks! You are completely wrong. The wildlife money and budget are handled completely separate than wildlife. One agency 2 sides. So no it was not parks fault.

People complain about the tag price but for real even at $80 it is barely more expensive than a tank of fuel. Sorry but the tag even for NOnresidents is still one of if not the cheapest item on the hunting list. Hell most people spend more money on gadgets every year.

The real issue is that by design the wildlife side has only one real revenue source. That is the sell of licenses. As such the number of licenses they can sell is limited. Even with LTC bull tags there are still only X amount they can sell.

So in the last 10 years most things have increased in cost. For the CPW some big hits were Ovama Care, ESA, Sage grouse fight, upper COLORADO river endangered fish projects, then stupid crap like dealing with bears all summer, CNG trucks forced by state mandate. The cost of an average truck has increased,etc. The list goes on and on.

When the last tag price increase occurred it did the same thing as the last several. For a couple years the DOW operated in the black and saved up excess revenue in a fund balance, then as the cost of business increases the black slowly turns red. Each year eating away at the fund balance until the balance is gone. At that point they either have to cut cost by closing programs, or increase revenue.

Do I like the idea of increased tags? No but I also do not like the idea that we are shutting down programs or eliminating officers in the field, or selling off a state land to balance out, etc.

Ultimately it would be best if the tags adjusted with inflation/cost but the system is not that way so the cycle continues. Increase fees, have extra money, cost eventually increase, go red, then before drastic cuts, increase funds.

It would be nice to find another revenue source. Sadly there is no simple solution! Even raising lis fees sucks.
 
Good information. It is pretty low for res. I think we all got on about non-res. But sounds like it will only be resident hike?

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I hunt, therefore I am. Harvest the land. Taking of the fallen lamb.
 
Yea mo, this hike's in the res fees. Elks, you and I have politely and respectfully gone rounds about this before. It's simply hard to ignore the correlation between the merger and the sudden financial woes of the dept of wildlife. From the outside lookin in it seems directly related. We were told of the financial wisdom of this merger and how much money it would save the taxpayer. Yet all we've heard since is how the DOW has no money when they had an excess prior to the merger. I haven't heard about the previously much maligned parks departments financial woes since the merger and I must wonder why? When I look at the value of things over the past 10 yrs most people's salaries have not doubled, a gallon of gas has actually gone down, a gallon of milk is about the same, I could go on but I see nothing that has doubled in the workin man's world except for government infected health insurance! I don't mind an increase, in fact I welcome it, but me doling out 2k this April instead of 1k like last April for tags is currently going down sideways! If our governor and current state legislators were a bunch of hunters and fisherman this story would seem believable, but all I've seen hick in is a bike helmet! When I start to see him in an orange vest with tail feathers pokin out the sides, totin a fine double behind a pair of pointers, this story will become more believable! Until then I'm gonna push back a little!
 
Aaron: welcome to our world (nonresidents). As stated, this will be about a resident increase because that requires legislature approval

Nonresident fees have been and will be continued to be raised EACH year without any legislation. So you NRs that say you are out with one more raise are out of luck because regardless of whether or not this proposed raise in fees passes, NR fees will continue to be raised each and every year.

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
You'd hunt high and low to find a guy as "thrifty" as me, but I support the proposed increase. It is overdue, it is necessary, it is an investment in the future of CO hunting. I view this in light of the debate about federal lands going to states, w CO demonstrating how precarious its fiscal balance is. We have to pay to play, if for no other reason than the deep pockets who would pay much more for the resource in which we hunt: habitat.

Plus, the higher portion of Wildlife revenues that come from residents, the more influence we will have over decisionmaking in res/nonres topics. Because $ talks.

Should res. cow tags cost less than bull/either sex? Yes.
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-30-16 AT 08:40AM (MST)[p]Well I'm done if nr goes up as well.
Funny to me they wanna charge the hunters to pay for dam and fisheries. Funny they will buy all the gates to close state lands, how will that save money?
Funny that fishing and hunting participation is decreasing (here's a hint quit making wilderness areas!) also quit spending money on ridiculous studies like mtn Lions mortality rates on deer populations. Or studies on stupid things. It's a flippin joke how much money they spend. Do you think they will quit buying brand new trucks every year to save budget? No no and no. . Quit making all these regulations quit pushing people away!
They don't even put the money from hunting tags to the ground anymore there is no habitat projects etc they spend it all on admin crap!

**** most of all quit fighting wildfires! If people want to build a home in the mtns it is their responsibility to create defensible safe from fires. These fires are mother natures way of rehabbing the land we have to quit preventing this!

The cpw has to get their house in order they are wasting money on unnecessary things and charging the hunters for it!
 
>LAST EDITED ON Aug-30-16
>AT 08:40?AM (MST)

>
>Well I'm done if nr goes
>up as well.
>Funny to me they wanna charge
>the hunters to pay for
>dam and fisheries. Funny they
>will buy all the gates
>to close state lands, how
>will that save money?
>Funny that fishing and hunting participation
>is decreasing (here's a hint
>quit making wilderness areas!) also
>quit spending money on ridiculous
>studies like mtn Lions mortality
>rates on deer populations. Or
>studies on stupid things. It's
>a flippin joke how much
>money they spend. Do you
>think they will quit buying
>brand new trucks every year
>to save budget? No no
>and no. . Quit making
>all these regulations quit pushing
>people away!
>They don't even put the money
>from hunting tags to the
>ground anymore there is no
>habitat projects etc they spend
>it all on admin crap!
>
>
>**** most of all quit fighting
>wildfires! If people want to
>build a home in the
>mtns it is their responsibility
>to create defensible safe from
>fires. These fires are mother
>natures way of rehabbing the
>land we have to quit
>preventing this!
>
>The cpw has to get their
>house in order they are
>wasting money on unnecessary things
>and charging the hunters for
>it!

You can't be serious right?
If you are what a joke! Ever been to Colorado?
 
Ox, again, this information has NOTHING to do with NR fees.

NR fees WILL go up next year regardless about what happens with this initiative, just like they have for each of the last 10 years. So you are out?

That said, the irony of this is that 30,000 less NRs hunt elk than before they went up drastically on our fees. I clearly remember residents stating that they would be all for raising resident fees if less NRs came. Here is your chance to put your money where your mouth is.

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
>>LAST EDITED ON Aug-30-16
>>AT 08:40?AM (MST)

>>
>>Well I'm done if nr goes
>>up as well.
>>Funny to me they wanna charge
>>the hunters to pay for
>>dam and fisheries. Funny they
>>will buy all the gates
>>to close state lands, how
>>will that save money?
>>Funny that fishing and hunting participation
>>is decreasing (here's a hint
>>quit making wilderness areas!) also
>>quit spending money on ridiculous
>>studies like mtn Lions mortality
>>rates on deer populations. Or
>>studies on stupid things. It's
>>a flippin joke how much
>>money they spend. Do you
>>think they will quit buying
>>brand new trucks every year
>>to save budget? No no
>>and no. . Quit making
>>all these regulations quit pushing
>>people away!
>>They don't even put the money
>>from hunting tags to the
>>ground anymore there is no
>>habitat projects etc they spend
>>it all on admin crap!
>>
>>
>>**** most of all quit fighting
>>wildfires! If people want to
>>build a home in the
>>mtns it is their responsibility
>>to create defensible safe from
>>fires. These fires are mother
>>natures way of rehabbing the
>>land we have to quit
>>preventing this!
>>
>>The cpw has to get their
>>house in order they are
>>wasting money on unnecessary things
>>and charging the hunters for
>>it!
>
>You can't be serious right?
>If you are what a joke!
>Ever been to Colorado?

Ya I've been there. Why?
 
>Ox, again, this information has NOTHING
>to do with NR fees.
>
>
>NR fees WILL go up next
>year regardless about what happens
>with this initiative, just like
>they have for each of
>the last 10 years.
>So you are out?
>
>That said, the irony of this
>is that 30,000 less NRs
>hunt elk than before they
>went up drastically on our
>fees. I clearly remember
>residents stating that they would
>be all for raising resident
>fees if less NRs came.
> Here is your chance
>to put your money where
>your mouth is.
>
>txhunter58
>
>venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore
>I am)

I get that. I'm just saying if nr goes of drastically I'm out.
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-30-16 AT 06:42PM (MST)[p]No way our fees will double, the annual increases are tied to some kind of inflation scale.

That said, we are the frog in water that gets boiled slowly, but we are still headed there. Its getting warmer, warmer, warmer,.............

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-30-16 AT 07:17PM (MST)[p]Like everything else in life,if it comes with to high of price ,you just have to pass.
 
>Hard to reply with all the
>BS and other misinformation happening!
>
>
>First of all NR tags are
>tied and have been tied
>to the CPI. as a
>result they have kept up.
>Resident tags however can only
>be adjusted through the legislature.
>
>
>The increase is needed... Like most
>people this thread proves that
>hunters, like most are hypocrites.
>In one breath we brag
>about how hunting protects animals
>and is good for wildlife
>management. We brag that hunters
>are the primary funding source
>conservation, etc. But whine how
>we have to pay to
>play.
>
>The resident tag cost have not
>increased for 10 years. It
>is time for our prices
>to increase. We need to
>step up and supply the
>funding needed.
>
>For those blaming the Parks! You
>are completely wrong. The wildlife
>money and budget are handled
>completely separate than wildlife. One
>agency 2 sides. So no
>it was not parks fault.
>
>
>People complain about the tag price
>but for real even at
>$80 it is barely more
>expensive than a tank of
>fuel. Sorry but the tag
>even for NOnresidents is still
>one of if not the
>cheapest item on the hunting
>list. Hell most people spend
>more money on gadgets every
>year.
>
>The real issue is that by
>design the wildlife side has
>only one real revenue source.
>That is the sell of
>licenses. As such the number
>of licenses they can sell
>is limited. Even with LTC
>bull tags there are still
>only X amount they can
>sell.
>
>So in the last 10 years
>most things have increased in
>cost. For the CPW some
>big hits were Ovama Care,
>ESA, Sage grouse fight, upper
>COLORADO river endangered fish projects,
>then stupid crap like dealing
>with bears all summer, CNG
>trucks forced by state mandate.
>The cost of an average
>truck has increased,etc. The list
>goes on and on.
>
>When the last tag price increase
>occurred it did the same
>thing as the last several.
>For a couple years the
>DOW operated in the black
>and saved up excess revenue
>in a fund balance, then
>as the cost of business
>increases the black slowly turns
>red. Each year eating away
>at the fund balance until
>the balance is gone. At
>that point they either have
>to cut cost by closing
>programs, or increase revenue.
>
>Do I like the idea of
>increased tags? No but I
>also do not like the
>idea that we are shutting
>down programs or eliminating officers
>in the field, or selling
>off a state land to
>balance out, etc.
>
>Ultimately it would be best if
>the tags adjusted with inflation/cost
>but the system is not
>that way so the cycle
>continues. Increase fees, have extra
>money, cost eventually increase, go
>red, then before drastic cuts,
>increase funds.
>
>It would be nice to find
>another revenue source. Sadly there
>is no simple solution! Even
>raising lis fees sucks.


Good points Elks96. One point I differ in is where the increase should come and where I never have heard CPW talk of increasing fees.
Fisheries is a huge portion of the budget, do you hear any talk of increasing license fees for that side? Nope.
The actual cost of Wildlife is a drop in the bucket compared to the revenue taken in. In that cost a big chunk is damage to PLO's.

Some guys really need to look at the numbers before they make comments about how the dollars should be created or spent.
 
Oh, and for all the guys who are done with CO if there's another increase, that boycott from a few years ago worked out real well too.
 
If you really want to talk game damage then yes there has been a long and ongoing conversation about the issue. In a sense the CPW has its hands tied. There would be nothing better than getting game damage moved over to the general fund, but so far that has not gotten any traction. As far as payment etc. They are required by law to make it is not their decision to suddenly quit the game damage program. The process is good and typically only pays out for when it is really warranted.

Also they are proposing increases in the cost of all licenses. Yes that includes small game, and fishing. They have proposed moving the senior citizen license up to $5 or $10 because right now it is costing more to print and hand out the licenses than they get in return.

The combo tags will increase as will others.
 
It costs me less than $150 a year to hunt Elk,deer,turkey, small game and to fish. Guess maybe the places I go and will continue to go will be quieter next year.
 
I have no issue with the game damage payments. My point is that it is one of the larger expenditures and yet it's a small amount compared to the dollars taken in. The wildlife side pays for itself many times over.

The fisheries on the other hand spends way more than it takes in. You see it in the actual numbers and in the nice little pie chart presentation that CPW puts together for the round table meetings and the low information hunters.

http://cpw.state.co.us/Documents/Commission/2016/May/Item_20-Financial_Update.pdf

In case anyone wants to research before speaking further.
 
That's why they started to give NR a fish license with every elk tag. They could raise the revenues for fisheries at the expense of hunting.
 
>That's why they started to give
>NR a fish license with
>every elk tag.
>They could raise
>the revenues for fisheries at
>the expense of hunting.

No that is totally incorrect BOB. There is no expense to the wildlife side for selling a fishing lic. with the elk tag. The idea is very simple. For ever license the CPW sells they get a chunk of money from the federal Pitman Robertson act. Prior to the addition of the fishing license the only license they were awarded money for was the elk license. Now they are selling 2 licenses so they still get the same amount from the elk license, but since they are selling 2 licenses they get a little more for the fishing lic. It is in addition to the wildlife side not at its expense.
 

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