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ThunderBall
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Sep-22-17, 
05:33 PM (MST)
"Radio used to kill big buck. "

I watched a couple hunter's kill a very big buck with the help of 2-way radios last Saturday. Should I turn them in? Would the Colorado Parks & Wildlife do anything? Or would I just be pissing up a rope?

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 Subject   Author   Message Date   ID 
 RE: Radio used...  Wapitiwilly      Sep-22-17   1 
  RE: Radio used...  txhunter58      Sep-22-17   2 
   RE: Radio used...  DW      Sep-22-17   3 
 RE: Radio used...  NMBugleJunky      Sep-22-17   4 
  RE: Radio used...  BOHNTR      Sep-22-17   5 
   RE: Radio used...  nripepi      Sep-22-17   6 
    RE: Radio used...  projp      Sep-22-17   7 
     RE: Radio used...  DW      Sep-22-17   8 
   RE: Radio used...  NMBugleJunky      Sep-22-17   9 
 RE: Radio used...  kickerbuck      Sep-22-17   10 
 RE: Radio used...  marburg      Sep-23-17   11 
  RE: Radio used...  HiMtnHntr      Sep-23-17   12 
  RE: Radio used...  Hunt_the_We...      Sep-23-17   13 
   RE: Radio used...  Cohntr62      Sep-23-17   14 
    RE: Radio used...  nripepi      Sep-23-17   15 
     RE: Radio used...  txhunter58      Sep-23-17   16 
      RE: Radio used...  Hunt_the_We...      Sep-23-17   17 
  RE: Radio used...  ThunderBall      Sep-23-17   18 
   RE: Radio used...  Founder      Sep-23-17   19 
 RE: Radio used...  Ridgewalker      Sep-23-17   20 
  RE: Radio used...  NMBugleJunky      Sep-23-17   21 
   RE: Radio used...  nripepi      Sep-23-17   22 
    RE: Radio used...  NMBugleJunky      Sep-24-17   23 
     RE: Radio used...  DW      Sep-24-17   24 
      RE: Radio used...  NMBugleJunky      Sep-24-17   25 
       RE: Radio used...  txhunter58      Sep-24-17   26 
        RE: Radio used...  NMBugleJunky      Sep-24-17   27 
         RE: Radio used...  txhunter58      Sep-24-17   28 
       RE: Radio used...  DW      Sep-24-17   29 
        RE: Radio used...  Elkduds      Sep-24-17   30 
         RE: Radio used...  TerynItUp      Sep-24-17   31 
   RE: Radio used...  Ridgewalker      Sep-24-17   32 
 RE: Radio used...  ThunderBall      Sep-25-17   33 
  RE: Radio used...  Hunt_the_We...      Sep-25-17   35 
   RE: Radio used...  txhunter58      Sep-25-17   36 
    RE: Radio used...  plumdog      Sep-26-17   38 
     RE: Radio used...  Cohntr62      Sep-26-17   39 
  RE: Radio used...  Hunt_the_We...      Sep-26-17   43 
   RE: Radio used...  ThunderBall      Sep-26-17   48 
 RE: Radio used...  alinrut      Sep-25-17   34 
  RE: Radio used...  DIY      Sep-26-17   37 
  RE: Radio used...  dirtygrass      Sep-26-17   40 
   RE: Radio used...  dirtygrass      Sep-26-17   41 
    RE: Radio used...  projp      Sep-26-17   42 
     RE: Radio used...  txhunter58      Sep-26-17   44 
      RE: Radio used...  dirtygrass      Sep-26-17   45 
     RE: Radio used...  DIY      Sep-26-17   46 
      RE: Radio used...  projp      Sep-26-17   47 
       RE: Radio used...  pufftuffly      Sep-27-17   49 
        RE: Radio used...  nontypical      Sep-27-17   50 

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Wapitiwilly
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Sep-22-17, 
05:37 PM (MST)
1. "RE: Radio used to kill big buck. "

Many states allow radios. Even if it's illegal going to be hard to prove unless you have proof.

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txhunter58
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Sep-22-17, 
06:36 PM (MST)
2. "RE: Radio used to kill big buck. "

Using radios to locate and assist in hunting/killing game IS legal in Colorado. I was surprised to find that out, but it was confirmed by the P&W. I don't think it should be

txhunter58

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DW
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Sep-22-17, 
07:23 PM (MST)
3. "RE: Radio used to kill big buck. "

>Using radios to locate and assist
>in hunting/killing game IS legal
>in Colorado. I was
>surprised to find that out,
>but it was confirmed by
>the P&W. I don't
>think it should be
>
>txhunter58
>
>venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore
>I am)

What he said^^^^^^
#livelikezac

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NMBugleJunky
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Sep-22-17, 
07:47 PM (MST)
4. "RE: Radio used to kill big buck. "

A smart hunter uses ANY and ALL legal resources available to them. 2-way radios are as important to my hunting arsenal as my gun/bow and optics! In New Mexico, definitely legal. Not so sure about Colorado....

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BOHNTR
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Sep-22-17, 
07:50 PM (MST)
5. "RE: Radio used to kill big buck. "

I would have to disagree with that statement, NMBJ......just because you can doesn't always mean you should.

BOHNTR )))---------->

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nripepi
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Sep-22-17, 
07:53 PM (MST)
6. "RE: Radio used to kill big buck. "

I hate radios when they are used like that, definitely should be illegal. It just doesn't seem right.

I want to see a photo of this buck though.

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projp
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Sep-22-17, 
08:18 PM (MST)
7. "RE: Radio used to kill big buck. "

Opinions...
On both sides.

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DW
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Sep-22-17, 
09:31 PM (MST)
8. "RE: Radio used to kill big buck. "

The more of these posts I read the more I start to believe tristate is right. I really need to leave .


#livelikezac

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NMBugleJunky
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Sep-22-17, 
10:51 PM (MST)
9. "RE: Radio used to kill big buck. "

>I would have to disagree with
>that statement, NMBJ......just because you
>can doesn't always mean you
>should.
>
>BOHNTR )))---------->


Why do we use scopes on our rifles and not open sights? Because we have advanced past that technology. Why do we use compound bows and not only recurves, same reason. I bet all that are stating it doesnt seemfair, are also against long range shooting? Geez, it just doesn't seem fair that we use these optical devises that magnify our vision to see these animals from farther distances. Where do we draw the line as to which if fair? I personally think I will leave that in the hands of each states Game Commission, and if I feel I need to voice my opinion on what I believe is right and or wrong, I go to a commission meeting, sometimes they listen. If it is legal and and it increases my odds at being successful at making a clean and humane kill, I WILL not hesitate to do or use whatever it is while being safe doing so. That is my rant and opinion, we are all entitled to one.

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kickerbuck
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Sep-22-17, 
11:01 PM (MST)
10. "RE: Radio used to kill big buck. "

Absolutely turn them in, if it's not legal in CO then it's not legal. Too bad people like that don't respect the deer they are hunting. Hope you got a license plate?

Hunters are seriously out of control, anything to kill a big buck or even a little one.

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marburg
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Sep-23-17, 
03:25 AM (MST)
11. "RE: Radio used to kill big buck. "

Radios are illegal to use in the assistance of taking game in Colorado. Was it a muzzy buck by chance?

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Sep-23-17, 
04:17 AM (MST)
12. "RE: Radio used to kill big buck. "

I agree with BOHNTR. I have kids and there's no way I'd teach them that practice and a host of other legal pratices. Our game deserves more. The minute it's only about killing, I'm out.

But, NM is right too, at the end of the day each man must decide when they lay down in that bed what they're ok with.

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Hunt_the_West
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Sep-23-17, 
09:48 AM (MST)
13. "RE: Radio used to kill big buck. "

LAST EDITED ON Sep-23-17 AT 09:49 AM (MST)

Marburg-

I was always under this impression as well but this is the wording verbatim in the 2017 big game book.

"21. For two or more people on the ground, in a vehicle or vessel to use electronic devices to communicate information that violates any wildlife law or regulation."

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Cohntr62
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Sep-23-17, 
10:42 AM (MST)
14. "RE: Radio used to kill big buck. "

I don't know the technicalities of the law, but we use radios, plus texting on the cellphones. It would be pretty tough to not tell your friends when you see game. If they choose to use that info to go after that buck or bull, I don't see anything wrong with that.

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nripepi
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Sep-23-17, 
11:35 AM (MST)
15. "RE: Radio used to kill big buck. "

The bigger issue is when you are using it to tell them when to walk, when to stop, that the deer is ahead 150 yards to your left, get to that rock and shoot him in his bed. It is not as big a deal as it used to be rifle hunting because we can shoot farther, but still a big deal with muzzle and bow. Use darn signals like the rest of us!

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txhunter58
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Sep-23-17, 
12:29 PM (MST)
16. "RE: Radio used to kill big buck. "

Marburg: It has been a year or two ago, but I emailed the p&w and they confirmed in a return email that it IS legal to use radios to assist in taking game in Colorado. I have not seen anything in writing to contradict that.

Hunt: not sure what you are implying with your comment. That statement doesn't address the issue at all. It only states that you can't use radios to do anything "that violates any wildlife law or regulation" So if you use radios to poach an animal, then they can charge you with illegal use of radios as well. Maybe that is what you are trying to say?

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Sep-23-17, 
12:39 PM (MST)
17. "RE: Radio used to kill big buck. "

tx- yes that is exactly what I was trying to say. I had always thought as stated in Marburg post that it was illegal, but after looking in my big game book the only thing I could find referencing radios was my above post. I interpret that the same way you just stated. Sorry I should have been more clear.

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ThunderBall
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Sep-23-17, 
04:07 PM (MST)
18. "RE: Radio used to kill big buck. "

Yes.


>Radios are illegal to use in
>the assistance of taking game
>in Colorado. Was it
>a muzzy buck by chance?
>


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Sep-23-17, 
06:59 PM (MST)
19. "RE: Radio used to kill big buck. "

I personally don't use a radio to hunt, but I usually hunt alone. However, I did once text my wife telling her where bucks were around her when I was glassing from a distant sidehill. It sure didn't seem too unfair at the time. It sure didn't make them easy to get shots at! But, I know that in some peoples mind it seems like it makes hunting easy.
I don't know what I think about it. I'm not a huge fan of much of the advantages hunters use, but I'm also not one to yank my scope off my rifle, throw my spotting scope away or quite wearing good boots because those items all give me an advantage over the game. I use all those items because I can.
I suppose we all just have our own idea as to what's ethical and what is not.

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Ridgewalker
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Sep-23-17, 
07:23 PM (MST)
20. "RE: Radio used to kill big buck. "

Using better optics and modern weapons is to prevent less wounded animals.which is a good thing...you can't compare that to using radios. It's apples and oranges.

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NMBugleJunky
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Sep-23-17, 
08:16 PM (MST)
21. "RE: Radio used to kill big buck. "

>Using better optics and modern weapons
>is to prevent less wounded
>animals.which is a good thing...you
>can't compare that to using
>radios. It's apples and oranges.
>


Using optics to locate game DOES NOT prevent "more" wounded. Just sayin!

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nripepi
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Sep-23-17, 
11:40 PM (MST)
22. "RE: Radio used to kill big buck. "

I disagree. I have wounded almost the same amount of game without optics on a gun than I have with and I almost always hunt with optics! There is no doubt that a rifle scope makes you more accurate and less likely to wound game. Surely, there will still be issues and unethical shots with optics, but I think your odds of wounding game go way down. Maybe I am wrong.

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NMBugleJunky
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Sep-24-17, 
07:48 AM (MST)
23. "RE: Radio used to kill big buck. "

>I disagree. I have wounded
>almost the same amount of
>game without optics on a
>gun than I have with
>and I almost always hunt
>with optics! There is
>no doubt that a rifle
>scope makes you more accurate
>and less likely to wound
>game. Surely, there will
>still be issues and unethical
>shots with optics, but I
>think your odds of wounding
>game go way down.
>Maybe I am wrong.


I agree with you on rifle scopes, that is why I believe CO not allowing scopes on muzzleloader is stupid! (again my opinion, but I follow there laws) So you sir, should only use your rifle scope to aim and shoot your game ONLY. NO spotting scope, NO binos, they give absolutly NO aid in preventing more wounded animals. I am not trying to justify why I believe radios or any other technology should be legal, I am trying to point out how everyone wants to pick and choose what technology they feel is ethical and what advantages over game are ok. Heck, a rifle is an unfair advantage, use a sharpened stick if you want to get real technical!!! Hunting regulations are made by Game Commissions, they are our hunting law makers, they make the rules, it is up to us to be ethical and follow those rules. Attend a meeting sometime. As human beings it is up to each one of us what personal rules and laws that each of us live by. If I or somebody else does something that IS legal, but against your beliefs, let them be. If it IS illegal, that is when actions should be taken, like in this case, because using 2-way radios in aid of harvesting game IS definitely ILLEGAL in Colorado!


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DW
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Sep-24-17, 
08:01 AM (MST)
24. "RE: Radio used to kill big buck. "

>>I disagree. I have wounded
>>almost the same amount of
>>game without optics on a
>>gun than I have with
>>and I almost always hunt
>>with optics! There is
>>no doubt that a rifle
>>scope makes you more accurate
>>and less likely to wound
>>game. Surely, there will
>>still be issues and unethical
>>shots with optics, but I
>>think your odds of wounding
>>game go way down.
>>Maybe I am wrong.
>
>
>I agree with you on rifle
>scopes, that is why I
>believe CO not allowing scopes
>on muzzleloader is stupid! (again
>my opinion, but I follow
>there laws) So you sir,
>should only use your rifle
>scope to aim and shoot
>your game ONLY. NO spotting
>scope, NO binos, they give
>absolutly NO aid in preventing
>more wounded animals. I am
>not trying to justify why
>I believe radios or any
>other technology should be legal,
>I am trying to point
>out how everyone wants to
>pick and choose what technology
>they feel is ethical and
>what advantages over game are
>ok. Heck, a rifle is
>an unfair advantage, use a
>sharpened stick if you want
>to get real technical!!! Hunting
>regulations are made by Game
>Commissions, they are our hunting
>law makers, they make the
>rules, it is up to
>us to be ethical and
>follow those rules. Attend a
>meeting sometime. As human beings
>it is up to each
>one of us what personal
>rules and laws that each
>of us live by. If
>I or somebody else does
>something that IS legal, but
>against your beliefs, let them
>be. If it IS illegal,
>that is when actions should
>be taken, like in this
>case, because using 2-way radios
>in aid of harvesting game
>IS definitely ILLEGAL in Colorado!
>

Are you saying game laws were written to dictate ethics?


#livelikezac

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NMBugleJunky
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Sep-24-17, 
08:20 AM (MST)
25. "RE: Radio used to kill big buck. "

LAST EDITED ON Sep-24-17 AT 08:22 AM (MST)

>Are you saying game laws were
>written to dictate ethics?
>
>

It is unethical to break the law isn't it? Pretty ethical to follow the law, that's how I was raised anyways.

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Sep-24-17, 
08:34 AM (MST)
26. "RE: Radio used to kill big buck. "

We draw arbitrary ethical lines all the time. Who here thinks we should allow someone in an airplane direct hunters to an animal?

In my mind, using real time radio communication to direct a hunter across a canyon to a buck or bull is close enough to a guy in a plan directing someone to make that arbitrary limit.

Due to technology advances we now have the ability for people on a computer to direct and fire a gun at an animal. That was being done in Texas until enough of us asked the parks and wildlife to make it illegal.

Just because we have to technology, doesn't mean we should allow it. Where do you stop? That is for us to decide.

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Sep-24-17, 
08:49 AM (MST)
27. "RE: Radio used to kill big buck. "

Where do you
>stop? That is for
>us to decide.
>
>txhunter58
>
>venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore
>I am)


That is for those who make the rules, regs and laws to decide. If it is legal, it is legal, if it is illegal it is illegal. To many many many people, it is unethical to even kill ANY animal for ANY reason. That is there beliefs. Don't knock people for what they believe is ok and not ok, especiallyif it is legal, txhunter58 is right that is for each of us on our own to decide. I love this website and forum and hope nobody has negative views of me because of my views, I do believe we can have healthy debates and talks on these forums as such this as well as share our successes. I have said all I have to say on the matter. Good luck to all who hunting this year!

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Sep-24-17, 
09:56 AM (MST)
28. "RE: Radio used to kill big buck. "

LAST EDITED ON Sep-24-17 AT 10:01 AM (MST)

"That is for those who make the rules, regs and laws to decide"

That is us. Enough of us tell our officials we want something legal/illegal and it should be done or we replace those people.

I have no problem with people using radios as long as it is legal. Just not for me and I will support that changing I like a healthy debate too, and don't look down on those that disagree. Have I ever texted a friend that I saw a buck at such and such place: yes. There is a lot of grey

As far as the original post, there is no basis for reporting this incident because what they did was legal in CO

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DW
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Sep-24-17, 
12:26 PM (MST)
29. "RE: Radio used to kill big buck. "

>LAST EDITED ON Sep-24-17
>AT 08:22 AM (MST)

>
>>Are you saying game laws were
>>written to dictate ethics?
>>
>>
>
>It is unethical to break the
>law isn't it? Pretty ethical
>to follow the law, that's
>how I was raised anyways.
>

We agree. I was referring to a disscussion I was having with another member on a different thread.

#livelikezac

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Sep-24-17, 
02:47 PM (MST)
30. "RE: Radio used to kill big buck. "

It used to be illegal to use radios to pursue game in CO. I suspect the advent of cell phones made that hard to enforce, so they changed the law. I have no interest in using electronic communication to pursue game, way past my personal ethics. Also opposed to anything beyond black powder, lead bullets, sidelock, open sights during "primitive" season, but that ship has sailed.

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Sep-24-17, 
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31. "RE: Radio used to kill big buck. "

The problem with all of these conversations about where to draw the line on what is ok and what is not ok is that it's all subjective. We all have different backgrounds and past experiences that shape our beliefs and values so we will never agree on everything. That being said, I recently heard an argument articulated that I can get behind. Instead of talking fair chase, we should be talking fair use. Let's not get in a pickle over what is ok to use as far as technology goes, instead let's focus our conversations on whether or not the objectives and harvests are in line with what is actually takin place. Therefore, the more lethal we as hunters become, we need to understand that and collectively decide if we want to sacrifice our lethality for opportunity or if we want to sacrifice our opportunity for methods of take that make us more lethal. I hope that makes sense.

All that said, I have used radios and plan to continue to do so as long as they are legal. Not with a whole posse but a partner and I take advantage of them when the situation deems it useful. Aren't hand signals trying to do the same thing? How about when glassing on a ridge with your buddy, should you not be allowed to point out a buck to your buddy if he can't find it on his own? Ok that's probably a bad analogy but I really like exploring different perspectives on topics like these.

Hunt Hard. Shoot Straight. Kill Clean. Apologize to No One.

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Sep-24-17, 
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32. "RE: Radio used to kill big buck. "

Oh yea..a 4x16 scope does..thats an optic last time I checked

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33. "RE: Radio used to kill big buck. "

For what it's worth, I just called the Gunnison office (970) 641-7060, the lady I spoke to said it WAS ILLEGAL to use radios to take game.

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Sep-25-17, 
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35. "RE: Radio used to kill big buck. "

Thanks for the follow up Tball. I actually sent an email as well today just to have it clarified and in writing.

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Sep-25-17, 
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36. "RE: Radio used to kill big buck. "

>Thanks for the follow up
>Tball. I actually sent an
>email as well today just
>to have it clarified and
>in writing.

Yep, hearsay doesn't hold up in court. My wife was cleaning out our email a while back and deleted a bunch of my emails I was saving. The one I got from the Denver office stating that it was legal was one of them. I hope someone gets the statue that states the law if it now is indeed illegal.


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38. "RE: Radio used to kill big buck. "

I pulled out the 2017 regulations book...pge 17 item 21

Illegal Activities:
For two or more people on the ground, in a vehicle or vessel to use electronic devices to communicate information that violates any wildlife law or regulation.

I take this to mean the use of radios (or cellphones) would be LEGAL as long as long as no other laws or regulations are being broken. (It used to be illegal to use communication devices to direct hunters to game).

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39. "RE: Radio used to kill big buck. "

> I pulled out the 2017
>regulations book...pge 17 item 21
>
>
>Illegal Activities:
> For two or more people
>on the ground, in a
>vehicle or vessel to use
>electronic devices to communicate information
>that violates any wildlife law
>or regulation.
>
>I take this to mean the
>use of radios (or cellphones)
>would be LEGAL as long
>as long as no other
>laws or regulations are being
>broken. (It used to be
>illegal to use communication devices
>to direct hunters to game).
>
Exactly. Thank you. It is now legal to use radios or phones to communicate game location to your buddies. We do it. Can you imagine anyone not telling their hunting companions about game sightings, especially if that sighting could benefit that companion?

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Sep-26-17, 
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43. "RE: Radio used to kill big buck. "

Thank you for contacting Colorado Parks and Wildlife. I understand you are inquiring about the use of two-way radios while hunting in Colorado.

Below you will find the Colorado statute 33-6-124 regarding the use of two-way radios for hunting in Colorado.

§ 33-6-124. Use of a motor vehicle or aircraft

(1)(a) Unless otherwise permitted by commission rule, it is unlawful for a person to hunt, take, or harass wildlife from or with a motor vehicle. A person who violates this paragraph (a) is guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction thereof, shall be punished by a fine of two hundred dollars and an assessment of ten license suspension points.

(b) Unless otherwise permitted by commission rule, it is unlawful for any person to discharge a firearm or release an arrow from a motor vehicle with the intent to take wildlife. A person who violates this paragraph (b) is guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction thereof, shall be punished by a fine of two hundred dollars and an assessment of ten license suspension points.

(2) It is unlawful for any person airborne in any aircraft to spot or locate any wildlife and communicate its location to a person on the ground as an aid to hunting or pursuing wildlife; and it is unlawful for such airborne person or person on the ground receiving such communication to pursue, hunt, or take game on the same day or the day following such flight. A person who violates this subsection (2) is guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction thereof, shall be punished by a fine of two thousand dollars and an assessment of fifteen license suspension points.

(3) It is unlawful for two or more people on the ground, in a motor vehicle, or in a vessel to use electronic devices to communicate information in the furtherance of a violation of articles 1 to 6 of this title or of a commission rule. A person who violates this subsection (3) is guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction thereof, shall be punished by a fine of two hundred dollars and an assessment of fifteen license suspension points.

(4) A person who violates section 33-14.5-108(3)(a) while engaged in the act of hunting, fishing, trapping, or a related activity at the time of the unlawful activity shall be punished by a penalty of ten license suspension points; except that, if the person was within a federal wilderness area at the time of the unlawful activity, the person shall be punished by a penalty of fifteen license suspension points. A person who violates section 33-14.5-108(3)(b) while engaged in the act of hunting, fishing, or trapping or a related activity at the time of the unlawful activity shall be punished by a penalty of five license suspension points.

As an example, it is legal if you and your hunting partner are hunting and you split up; your hunting partner finds the herd and advises you over the radio where the herd is. However, many people would consider this unethical but it is not illegal. What would be illegal is if you found a herd of all doe deer, you just had a buck tag, and your hunting partner had a doe tag and he advised you to shoot a doe for him.

Thank you again for contacting Colorado Parks and Wildlife. If you have additional questions or comments, please feel free to contact us by phone or email.

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48. "RE: Radio used to kill big buck. "

That settles it for me. I thought it wasn't legal. Especially after calling the Gunnison office. It's ambiguous for sure. The regs could use a re-write.


>Thank you for contacting Colorado Parks
>and Wildlife. I understand you
>are inquiring about the use
>of two-way radios while hunting
>in Colorado.
>
>Below you will find the Colorado
>statute 33-6-124 regarding the use
>of two-way radios for hunting
>in Colorado.
>
>§ 33-6-124. Use of a motor
>vehicle or aircraft
>
>(1)(a) Unless otherwise permitted by commission
>rule, it is unlawful for
>a person to hunt, take,
>or harass wildlife from or
>with a motor vehicle. A
>person who violates this paragraph
>(a) is guilty of a
>misdemeanor and, upon conviction thereof,
>shall be punished by a
>fine of two hundred dollars
>and an assessment of ten
>license suspension points.
>
>(b) Unless otherwise permitted by commission
>rule, it is unlawful for
>any person to discharge a
>firearm or release an arrow
>from a motor vehicle with
>the intent to take wildlife.
>A person who violates this
>paragraph (b) is guilty of
>a misdemeanor and, upon conviction
>thereof, shall be punished by
>a fine of two hundred
>dollars and an assessment of
>ten license suspension points.
>
>(2) It is unlawful for any
>person airborne in any aircraft
>to spot or locate any
>wildlife and communicate its location
>to a person on the
>ground as an aid to
>hunting or pursuing wildlife; and
>it is unlawful for such
>airborne person or person on
>the ground receiving such communication
>to pursue, hunt, or take
>game on the same day
>or the day following such
>flight. A person who violates
>this subsection (2) is guilty
>of a misdemeanor and, upon
>conviction thereof, shall be punished
>by a fine of two
>thousand dollars and an assessment
>of fifteen license suspension points.
>
>
>(3) It is unlawful for two
>or more people on the
>ground, in a motor vehicle,
>or in a vessel to
>use electronic devices to communicate
>information in the furtherance of
>a violation of articles 1
>to 6 of this title
>or of a commission rule.
>A person who violates this
>subsection (3) is guilty of
>a misdemeanor and, upon conviction
>thereof, shall be punished by
>a fine of two hundred
>dollars and an assessment of
>fifteen license suspension points.
>
>(4) A person who violates section
>33-14.5-108(3)(a) while engaged in the
>act of hunting, fishing, trapping,
>or a related activity at
>the time of the unlawful
>activity shall be punished by
>a penalty of ten license
>suspension points; except that, if
>the person was within a
>federal wilderness area at the
>time of the unlawful activity,
>the person shall be punished
>by a penalty of fifteen
>license suspension points. A person
>who violates section 33-14.5-108(3)(b) while
>engaged in the act of
>hunting, fishing, or trapping or
>a related activity at the
>time of the unlawful activity
>shall be punished by a
>penalty of five license suspension
>points.
>
>As an example, it is legal
>if you and your hunting
>partner are hunting and you
>split up; your hunting partner
>finds the herd and advises
>you over the radio where
>the herd is. However, many
>people would consider this unethical
>but it is not illegal.
>What would be illegal is
>if you found a herd
>of all doe deer, you
>just had a buck tag,
>and your hunting partner had
>a doe tag and he
>advised you to shoot a
>doe for him.
>
>Thank you again for contacting Colorado
>Parks and Wildlife. If you
>have additional questions or comments,
>please feel free to contact
>us by phone or email.
>


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Sep-25-17, 
03:42 PM (MST)
34. "RE: Radio used to kill big buck. "

I disagree with it, I think Im gonna take a knee in protest....

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37. "RE: Radio used to kill big buck. "

In this era of modern modes of communication that we have available to us it presents a moral question that we must ask ourselves. Do I use the technology in the aid of harvesting an animal. Or do I do it like my father did and use the skills that I have honed through the years in pursuit of these glorious animals. I for one am going to rely on my skills in stealth and concealment to stalk my quarry. I see some of these flat brimmed hunters on youtube hunting in Colorado, they are using radios. Tines Up. I find the practice deplorable and lacking in respect for the game animals. It is just not about the kill, it is more about the adventure in matching ones wit with the desired trophy that in the end defines the ultimate experience that we leave the back country with. So in closing, you will never convince someone that is using there radio or phone is not ethical to use such equipment, just as you are not going to convince a true outdoorsman to use a radio or phone in there quest for a trophy.
So take it upon yourself to make your decision. Just stay the HELL OUT OF MY CANYON WITH YOUR DAMN RADIO AND PHONE.

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40. "RE: Radio used to kill big buck. "

http://www.wildlifelawyer.com/Blog/2015/January/The-Legalities-of-Walkie-Talkie-Use-While-Huntin.aspx

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41. "RE: Radio used to kill big buck. "

For two or more people on the ground, in a vehicle or vessel to use electronic devices to communicate information that violates any wildlife law or regulation.

so..if radios are illegal to use while hunting big game(based on the above), it would also be illegal for MM members to give advice to other MM members online.

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42. "RE: Radio used to kill big buck. "

LAST EDITED ON Sep-26-17 AT 12:21 PM (MST)

DIY
Respectfully.
Where is your ethical line regarding technology?
Where do you draw the line?
Binoculars?
Spotting scope?
Trail camera?
Range finder?
GPS?
Flashlight?
Scope?
Variable Scope?
Aperture site?
Iron site?
Inline?
Hawken?
Flintlock?
Crossbow?
Compound Bow?
Recurve?
Longbow?
Broadhead?
Obsidian broad head you made your self?
Store bought spear?
Spear you made your self?
Rock you purchased?
Rock you found yourself.
Boots?

Naked with a rock you found yourself?

A lot of places to draw our individual lines

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44. "RE: Radio used to kill big buck. "

Always good to get the answer in writing from the source, not a lady at a local office. I have seen that be true lots of time through the years.

Even though I think it is not ethical for me to use radios in this manner, I do not begrudge anyone who wants to do this legally. In my mind, trail cameras give people more of an advantage than radios from the ground. And for the most part, that is an accepted, legal method of hunting. Of course that is an entirely different discussion.....

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45. "RE: Radio used to kill big buck. "

I find a lot of hunting methods wrong IMO. But I really don't see much wrong with hunting with a radio, unless you are communicating with a plane that is scouting for you. My son and I used a lot of points this year for good tags. We will be using radios, not sure how much it will help in shooting an animal. More for safety, helping pack out, and talking to base camp. I understand the issue with bringing 5 friends and putting them all over the mountain to spot for you. I do a lot of scouting and will have a couple animals picked out before season opens.

If anyone has some ideas on how to use radios to help my son and I, I'm open to suggestions.

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46. "RE: Radio used to kill big buck. "

>LAST EDITED ON Sep-26-17
>AT 12:21 PM (MST)

>
>DIY
>Respectfully.
>Where is your ethical line regarding
>technology?
>Where do you draw the line?
>
>Binoculars?
>Spotting scope?
>Trail camera?
>Range finder?
>GPS?
>Flashlight?
>Scope?
>Variable Scope?
>Aperture site?
>Iron site?
>Inline?
>Hawken?
>Flintlock?
>Crossbow?
>Compound Bow?
>Recurve?
>Longbow?
>Broadhead?
>Obsidian broad head you made your
>self?
>Store bought spear?
>Spear you made your self?
>Rock you purchased?
>Rock you found yourself.
>Boots?
>
>Naked with a rock you found
>yourself?
>
>A lot of places to draw
>our individual lines

My line has been drawn, that line for me is dependant on the method of hunting I am partaking in. When I muzzy hunt, I use a Hawkins 50 cal. Iron sights and pyrodex powder. It is a percussion cap rifle. I do not use sabots, just my choice. I find the adventure is in the quest and the experience afield. I begrudge no one for differing from my methods. That is their choice, not mine. I was only expressing my preferred method, which does not include radios or phones. Nor do I use trail cameras. Actually where I hunt High Country bucks, there is no phone service so that is a mute point. As far as trail cameras, don't need them. I have been hunting the same country for 20 plus years. So I have a pretty good handle on where the bucks like to hang out. So it is an individuals right do use what ever is legal during there hunting adventure. Just so long as it is legal.


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47. "RE: Radio used to kill big buck. "

>>LAST EDITED ON Sep-26-17
>>AT 12:21 PM (MST)

>>
>>DIY
>>Respectfully.
>>Where is your ethical line regarding
>>technology?
>>Where do you draw the line?
>>
>>Binoculars?
>>Spotting scope?
>>Trail camera?
>>Range finder?
>>GPS?
>>Flashlight?
>>Scope?
>>Variable Scope?
>>Aperture site?
>>Iron site?
>>Inline?
>>Hawken?
>>Flintlock?
>>Crossbow?
>>Compound Bow?
>>Recurve?
>>Longbow?
>>Broadhead?
>>Obsidian broad head you made your
>>self?
>>Store bought spear?
>>Spear you made your self?
>>Rock you purchased?
>>Rock you found yourself.
>>Boots?
>>
>>Naked with a rock you found
>>yourself?
>>
>>A lot of places to draw
>>our individual lines
>
>My line has been drawn, that
>line for me is dependant
>on the method of hunting
>I am partaking in. When
>I muzzy hunt, I use
>a Hawkins 50 cal. Iron
>sights and pyrodex powder. It
>is a percussion cap rifle.
>I do not use sabots,
>just my choice. I find
>the adventure is in the
>quest and the experience afield.
>I begrudge no one for
>differing from my methods. That
>is their choice, not mine.
>I was only expressing my
>preferred method, which does not
>include radios or phones. Nor
>do I use trail cameras.
>Actually where I hunt High
>Country bucks, there is no
>phone service so that is
>a mute point. As far
>as trail cameras, don't need
>them. I have been hunting
>the same country for 20
>plus years. So I have
>a pretty good handle on
>where the bucks like to
>hang out. So it is
>an individuals right do use
>what ever is legal during
>there hunting adventure. Just so
>long as it is legal.
>

"I begrudge no one for
differing from my methods."

Good for you!
If there are 5 guys around the campfire there are probably 5 different "lines".


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49. "RE: Radio used to kill big buck. "

I called the Cedar City Utah office and they said radios are legal to use in Colorado. So there you go.

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50. "RE: Radio used to kill big buck. "

I just want to see a pic of the buck!!

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