CO 4th rifle deer 35, 36, 45, 361

DonVathome · Oct 21, 2018

Getting excited and will be there early to scout. Any tips or ideas appreciated. I am hoping to here from 3rd rifle tag holders when their season starts and progresses.

Very rare tag and lots of points and I plan to make the best of it.

Thanks!

HIcountryman · Oct 21, 2018

Good luck with that tag! We ll be excited to hear your hunt recap with pics!

270Whatelse · Oct 21, 2018

I think they had quite a bit of snow in that area before the 1st rifle season. Not sure how much of it has melted at this point, someone local might know. Good luck!

COLOhunter · Nov 18, 2018

How did your hunt go?

BradA · Nov 19, 2018

Curious as well on how your hunt went .

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cowhitey · Nov 20, 2018

Post it up Don? How'd your hunt go? Hope you found a big'n.

DW · Nov 21, 2018

Read on another site he came up empty.

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Founder · Nov 22, 2018

I talked to him the other day. He had no luck and was understanding why many of us stressed the value of any ATV. Roads freeze and get slick in spots.
He saw lots of deer though. Just nothing real big.

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fullthrottle · Nov 22, 2018

This area has been hit really hard by a lot of hunters the past several years with long range gear that know how to use it. Always be a few big boys around, but the top end has really taken a hit and it shows.

Coloradoboy · Nov 23, 2018

LAST EDITED ON Nov-23-18 AT 07:07AM (MST)[p]>This area has been hit really
>hard by a lot of
>hunters the past several years
>with long range gear that
>know how to use it.
>Always be a few big
>boys around, but the top
>end has really taken a
>hit and it shows.

What you're trying to say is the state of Utah has really had their way with it..... however according to my sources, there will be tag cuts coming next year in results of this.

Coloradoboy

GunSlinger · Nov 23, 2018

As stated above long range gear will continue to have a dramatic impact on quality bucks. IMO if you can't get closer than 1000 yards then the deer wins and try again the next day. It is turning it from hunting, which requires skill, knowledge and patience, into just plane shooting. Gone are the good old days.

fullthrottle · Nov 23, 2018

Agree with both post.

cowhitey · Nov 23, 2018

Agree. Unreal how many Utards are in those units with their team of spotters and long range wanna be's. Don still hoping for a recap of your hunt. Used to be a great tag even with no snow.

one_dryboot · Nov 24, 2018

Yes, blame bad management on Utards. LMAO! ???

Coloradoboy · Nov 24, 2018

>Yes, blame bad management on Utards.
>LMAO! ???

Indirectly yes.... all of the realitively easy to draw tags in eagle and grand counties have been pounded by tards in serious numbers.. our game wardens have taken notice to it and the locals and residents are sick of it. We have already got the prefrence point system restructured after the mockery it was this year and 35/36 will have tags restructured according to the game warden who works the unit and his regional manager whom is a good family friend.

Coloradoboy

fullthrottle · Nov 24, 2018

It's true boys and girls lots of people with multiple spotters and Utah plates. Kind of a joke really, and obviously putting a hurt on the older age class bucks when 5-6 people are glassing for one hunter. That's is the Utah way and I'm from Utah. Pretty funny actually that you mention eagle and grand I was in both on separate hunts and colorado nailed it. Glad to hear Colorado has noticed this, and the impact the quality of hunter and tags numbers are having.

one_dryboot · Nov 24, 2018

That's great news! Cutting tag numbers will help. they should have done it years ago before it got out of hand. But if you think it's just Utards you are wrong! It's trophy hunters from all states. Including the locals that are sick of it. We have all played a part in the decline of trophy bucks.
Are tards a big part of it? Absolutely! I'm sure more Utards hunt Colorado than any other non residents. And a lot of Tards are great hunters and know how to kill big bucks. But they are playing by the rules Colorado set.
Hopefully the game wardens and managers will do a better job so there are bigger bucks for all.

fullthrottle · Nov 24, 2018

A little off subject, but it would really help if our own state ?Utah? would take your advice and start managing Utah?s deer herd in a manner that we didn't have to run to other states for a reasonable chance at a 180? deer. Just saying

Squirrel · Nov 24, 2018

My current situation precludes me from caring about your opinion but go ahead and give voice to it anyway...

Open country, 5-10 spotters/gun, electronic communication, and 1200 yard guns??

Add in a CPW that never saw a dollar it would not covet to piss down the toilet??

This outcome was all too predictable. It is painful to see how many of the so called "locals" (as in anyone with a greenie plate instead of an Out of State plate) have jumped on the band wagon with both feet and two boxes of ammo/day.

Something will have to give, in the short term it will be the animals (as always) We can only hope that groups of hunters insist on more restrictions to mitigate the damage, be they tag numbers or equipment restrictions.

As long as CPW controls the winter counts it is going to be ugly to be a deer I'm afraid.

Coloradoboy · Nov 24, 2018

LAST EDITED ON Nov-24-18 AT 09:41AM (MST)[p]Blaming Utah is a bit excessive yes. But we've been way to liberal with tags in a diminishing, trophy class resource. A lot of us feel giving away 3rd season tags as a first choice is asinine. People are better hunters than they were 10,20 or 30 years ago and the equipment is much better. I'm guilty of it myself; I run 6 plus grand in optics and have multiple long range set ups. Bottom line is we as sportsmen and conservationists have to step up and pump the breaks on hammering mature age class bucks year after year or we will be in the same hole Utah is. The Gunnison basin is already in this hole and I don't see a light at the end of the tunnel.

Coloradoboy

Founder · Nov 24, 2018

I agree that the crews of 3-4 guys helping one tag holder definitely takes its toll on the top end bucks. But as the tags become more difficult to acquire, the more people who will recruit help. The only reason some people have the whole family helping one hunter is because none of the others could draw a tag for themselves, or they'd be on their own hunt.

Something has to give if we want more older age class bucks (better quality). Technology will continue to make us better at killing. Sportsmen will have to decide to give up technology or opportunity. Giving up opportunity has been the choice so far for the past 50 years, and I'd imagine most people will hang on tighter to that technology than their opportunity.

In the meantime, we'll all blame other people for quality decline across the West. Damn Utards, it's all our fault everywhere. Ha ha
Many of us do like to hunt hard. Lots of highly motivated sportsmen in this state.

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Coloradoboy · Nov 24, 2018

>I agree that the crews of
>3-4 guys helping one tag
>holder definitely takes its toll
>on the top end bucks.
>But as the tags become
>more difficult to acquire, the
>more people who will recruit
>help. The only reason some
>people have the whole family
>helping one hunter is because
>none of the others could
>draw a tag for themselves,
>or they'd be on their
>own hunt.
>
>Something has to give if we
>want more older age class
>bucks (better quality). Technology will
>continue to make us better
>at killing. Sportsmen will have
>to decide to give up
>technology or opportunity. Giving up
>opportunity has been the choice
>so far for the past
>50 years, and I'd imagine
>most people will hang on
>tighter to that technology than
>their opportunity.
>
>In the meantime, we'll all blame
>other people for quality decline
>across the West. Damn Utards,
>it's all our fault everywhere.
>Ha ha
>Many of us do like to
>hunt hard. Lots of highly
>motivated sportsmen in this state.
>
>
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Every state across the West has highly motivated and proficient killers, we just don't need the entire LDS church to help us kill something. You know good and well it would drive you nuts if swarms of greenies or Wyoming people started showing up to Utah each fall putting a royal pounding on your mule deer.

Coloradoboy

fullthrottle · Nov 24, 2018

?The entire LDS church? haha that's pretty funny.

Founder · Nov 24, 2018

I don't think it would drive me nuts. Hunters are hunters. Competition is competition. I don't think where they happen to live makes much difference to me.
Obviously you must also agree that Utards get after it much harder than Colorado boys, otherwise it wouldn't make any difference to you where the competing hunters are from, right? Still the same number of tags and same number of hunters. Only thing that changes is the price they pay for a tag and where they happen to drive from. No???

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Coloradoboy · Nov 24, 2018

>I don't think it would drive
>me nuts. Hunters are hunters.
>Competition is competition. I don't
>think where they happen to
>live makes much difference to
>me.
>Obviously you must also agree that
>Utards get after it much
>harder than Colorado boys, otherwise
>it wouldn't make any difference
>to you where the competing
>hunters are from, right? Still
>the same number of tags
>and same number of hunters.
>Only thing that changes is
>the price they pay for
>a tag and where they
>happen to drive from. No???
>
>
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No I don't agree. There are guys from Colorado, Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, Nevada and so forth that can go toe to toe with a Utarded guy 8 days a week. I claim to be one. I bet my bone pile would be scary if I had 12 buddies running around the unit glassing for me in their utvs every time i draw a tag.

Coloradoboy

timmy · Nov 24, 2018

I hunted this area for the first time this year as an out of stater. I don't know enough about the area to have an opinion but I will say I saw more Utah plates than Colorado. This was surprising to me.

Elkduds · Nov 24, 2018

So in UT they vote to get rid of our federal public lands, even those in other states. Then they head to federal lands in CO, where we cherish public lands. Hypocritical is the kindest word for that BS.

one_dryboot · Nov 24, 2018

I'm willing to bet your 12 spotter comment is grossly exaggerated. I'm sure it happens, but not as much as you claim. unless you're talking about Mossback and HorseTeeth guiding their clients. Or maybe that only happens in the top trophy units which I don't hunt? ?
I hunted 25 4th this year and ran into hunters from many states. Not once did I run into a hunter with 3-75 spotters. The 10 years I've hunted Colorado I've never witnessed 10 spotters with one hunter. I had my 67 year old uncle with me this year. Another guy from Utah had his two sons. Two other guys from Utah were solo. I'll bet the average number of spotters is under 3.
We should do a ?2018 Colorado? hunter poll on Monster Muleys and see how many hunters had spotters.

timmy · Nov 24, 2018

LAST EDITED ON Nov-24-18 AT 03:29PM (MST)[p]>I'm willing to bet your 12
>spotter comment is grossly
>exaggerated. I'm sure it happens,
>but not as much as
>you claim. unless you're talking
>about Mossback and HorseTeeth guiding
>their clients. Or maybe that
>only happens in the top
>trophy units which I don't
>hunt? ?
> I hunted 25 4th this
>year and ran into hunters
>from many states. Not once
>did I run into a
>hunter with 3-75 spotters. The
>10 years I've hunted Colorado
>I've never witnessed 10 spotters
>with one hunter. I
>had my 67 year old
>uncle with me this year.
> Another guy from Utah
>had his two sons.
>Two other guys from Utah
>were solo. I'll bet
>the average number of spotters
>is under 3.
>We should do a ?2018 Colorado?
>hunter poll on Monster Muleys
>and see how many hunters
>had spotters.

I did see a group of 4 that walked the hunter in with radios and then long range shots were fired. So I get the complaints. It comes down to technology in the end though we need to give the animals the edge not us. IMO. At some point it's not hunting anymore.

Coloradoboy · Nov 24, 2018

>I'm willing to bet your 12
>spotter comment is grossly
>exaggerated. I'm sure it happens,
>but not as much as
>you claim. unless you're talking
>about Mossback and HorseTeeth guiding
>their clients. Or maybe that
>only happens in the top
>trophy units which I don't
>hunt? ?
> I hunted 25 4th this
>year and ran into hunters
>from many states. Not once
>did I run into a
>hunter with 3-75 spotters. The
>10 years I've hunted Colorado
>I've never witnessed 10 spotters
>with one hunter. I
>had my 67 year old
>uncle with me this year.
> Another guy from Utah
>had his two sons.
>Two other guys from Utah
>were solo. I'll bet
>the average number of spotters
>is under 3.
>We should do a ?2018 Colorado?
>hunter poll on Monster Muleys
>and see how many hunters
>had spotters.

12 spotters was sarcastic obviously.... From a local boys perspective/experience 25/26 doesn't get blasted like 35/36 do to it doesn't have near the roads that it brother across the river does...

Coloradoboy

HalfAce · Nov 24, 2018

I used to hunt these units, they became a circus, so I stopped going. I had a lengthy discussion with a Utah hunter there a few years ago, he was hunting with 14 other guys, 8 tags in the group, all LO tags. All guys were running long range setups. (Can?t blame them, the rules of the game are set) But the gentleman was looking for someone who was willing to tag one of his buddies sons bucks. Reason: he hit it on his 8th shot at over 1,100 yards and it wasnt as big as he was hoping for when he walked up on it. Ive also seen guys spotlighting at night and shooting. I wanted to get a plate number the last time I saw that, but i couldn't get to my truck on my hike out because I had to take cover in a hole while they shot off 30 something rounds. Who knows where they were from, but the point is these units get pounded by some savvy hunters, dirtbag hunters, long range gear, poachers, not to mention a metric ##### ton of bears. Ide agree wholeheartedly with a tag cut and I hope they do just that. A few guys I've talked to about this hunt this year said they had good conditions but the big bucks just weren't there.

HalfAce · Nov 24, 2018

>It comes down to technology
>in the end though we
>need to give the animals
>the edge not us. IMO.
> At some point it's
>not hunting anymore.

+1!

Founder · Nov 24, 2018

So Utards have more friends then? I must obviously have foreign blood, cause nobody ever spots for me. Ha ha

I guess I'm just not clear on how Utards are the problem, especially if we're not better hunters. If all NR tags were given to Colorado residents you'd still have the same number of people with tags. So how would that be better than it is currently?
If we're a problem, what is we do that a Colorado dude wouldn't?
And, would a Utard instantly be cured if we moved to Colorado?

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Coloradoboy · Nov 24, 2018

LAST EDITED ON Nov-24-18 AT 04:07PM (MST)[p]>So Utards have more friends then?
>I must obviously have foreign
>blood, cause nobody ever spots
>for me. Ha ha
>
>I guess I'm just not clear
>on how Utards are the
>problem, especially if we're not
>better hunters. If all NR
>tags were given to Colorado
>residents you'd still have the
>same number of people with
>tags. So how would that
>be better than it is
>currently?
>If we're a problem, what is
>we do that a Colorado
>dude wouldn't?
>And, would a Utard instantly be
>cured if we moved to
>Colorado?
>
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First off I'm not labeling you a sterotypical ?Utard? it's similar to you assuming me to be a pot smoking liberal from Colorado.
I think majority of guys/gals animosity towards the ?Utah hunting style? is the showing up in mass numbers, riding 4wheelers/utvs every where they please, 1000 yard pop shots across canyons over the top of a utv, blowing up colorado muleys all over social media, hunting fool, epic outdoors, (Utah based businesses) showing up in late January and driving all over the winter range for ?shed scouting? the list goes on. Call it profiling for what it is but I know for a fact that our local game warden has had more head aches over the years with Utah hunters than any other out state or resident hunters in eagle county. If you as Utah residents don't see your direct involvement with shed seasons being implemented across western and central colorado you are naive. Along with now Nevada. Funny how Utah has basically trashed their ?general? deer hunts and now they come to places like Colorado, Idaho, and Wyoming and bring their Utah general season tactics with them in order to escape the damage they already have done to their own herds.
Sorry if you call B.S. or have hurt feelings Utah but I know for a fact that Wyoming, Nevada and Idaho feel the same way.
Coloradoboy

droptine47 · Nov 24, 2018

Not trying to get in the dabate. I applied for this unit as a Colorado resident, simply due to the fact that I like the topography. I like hunting open country and I like to glass. It was just a buddy and myself camped in a horse trailer. Granted, it was the first year in the unit, but I was a little bit disappointed in the deer numbers. We covered a lot of country and glassed everything we could see. Went from Leadville to Vail to Eagle and Kremmling. We saw some deer but nothing like I thought we would see. Maybe 5 or 6 older age class deer, several of which were on private ground and really didn't see the overall numbers that I thought would be there. There were a lot of hunters for sure. We were able to get into game in the more secluded areas and I was able to harvest a buck at 10k feet. Not sure what he was doing there. Probably the only place there weren't hunters. Overall, I had a good experience. First year in the unit and didn't scout so expectations had to be tempered. I love hunting but am becoming more of a conservationist and just enjoy seeing the animals. At what point, as sportsmen, do we draw the line. As stated above, I have good glass and a gun that will poke out a ways, but don't shoot over a couple hundred. Technology has developed but our game has not. Drought, predators, and overgrazing have all contributed to overall numbers. If something isn't done, we wont have any animals left. I don't have answer. Shoot more predators and be a conservationist. As sportsmen, we control the harvest and we can just try to encourage others to put the animals first, not the kill. I am a firm believer predators are a huge factor. Was lucky enough to harvest a mature bull later in the year. Watched a lion chase him for 20 minutes before I was able to slip into range. If they are chasing 600lb bulls, a deer doesn't stand a chance.

DW · Nov 24, 2018

I'll start onedryboots poll. I'm a Colorado resident, I hunted Colorado solo. No spotters, no atv's, no long range high dollar rig. I hunted a unit that takes 0-1 pp. I tagged out opening day 8am, 2 miles in from 120yds.

Ready, go!

#livelikezac

Squirrel · Nov 25, 2018

My current situation precludes me from caring about your opinion but go ahead and give voice to it anyway...

Sooner or later as this pissing match gets longer Don will tell us about his hunt... maybe

One spotter who never tells: unless you have meat

Long range rig:

But Having them tied up?? That is so obsolete with proper triangulation... Dunno why all the air traffic over my pasture?

Towelie · Nov 25, 2018

You can put me down for someone who thinks Utards suck.

Speaking of dumb Utards. Did anyone see the Utarded camp in 36 during 3rd season on Muddy Pass road that was lit up with bright blue lights. I mean WTF??? What is the point of that? If their goal was to be obnoxious and make everyone think they're F'N retards, they succeeded.

ORIONTHEHUNTER · Nov 25, 2018

Hopefully Colorado gets it together and hard caps to an 80/20 or 90/10 split, unlike the 70/30 or even 60/40 we have in some units. Can't believe you guys left out the biggest utard of all Mr. Brownlee. Heck he has been to Eagle County court numerous times. He also single handily enacted their shed hunting, as well as, the restructuring of the governors tags. I know he is founders buddy, but seriously he is a convicted poacher, trespasser, wildlife harasser yet he is still there every fall.

Coloradoboy · Nov 25, 2018

>Hopefully Colorado gets it together and
>hard caps to an 80/20
>or 90/10 split, unlike the
>70/30 or even 60/40 we
>have in some units. Can't
>believe you guys left out
>the biggest utard of all
>Mr. Brownlee. Heck he has
>been to Eagle County court
>numerous times. He also single
>handily enacted their shed hunting,
>as well as, the restructuring
>of the governors tags. I
>know he is founders buddy,
>but seriously he is a
>convicted poacher, trespasser, wildlife harasser
>yet he is still there
>every fall.

Don?t even get me started on ol horse tooth... you can imagine why he has fake teeth

Coloradoboy

ORIONTHEHUNTER · Nov 25, 2018

I'll just post this now before his defenders say its all hearsay

one_dryboot · Nov 25, 2018

LAST EDITED ON Nov-25-18 AT 10:23AM (MST)[p]>Speaking of dumb Utards. Did anyone
>see the Utarded camp in
>36 during 3rd season on
>Muddy Pass road that was
>lit up with bright blue
>lights. I mean WTF??? What
>is the point of that?
>If their goal was to
>be obnoxious and make everyone
>think they're F'N retards, they
>succeeded.

Pretty sure it is posted in the mule deer forum if you'd like to Read the story??

http://www.monstermuleys.info/dcforum/DCForumID6/27638.html

Coloradoboy · Nov 25, 2018

https://archive.gunnisontimes.com/news/guide-pilot-convicted-helicopter-case

Here?s another good one

hunt30 · Nov 25, 2018

Here?s one of my favorites

http://www.monstermuleys.info/cgi-b...thread&om=14841&forum=DCForumID12&archive=yes

Coloradoboy · Nov 25, 2018

Haha could of seen that one coming. My only conviction is being a dumbass kid on the WWW years ago and have and will always own up to it. You?re welcome to run my name though and find all my nonexistent game law and trespassing violations .

Coloradoboy

ORIONTHEHUNTER · Nov 25, 2018

good job hunt30 that's almost the same as constantly being in court, as well as, being a convicted poacher. Glad to see utards having each other's backs

Coloradoboy · Nov 25, 2018

>good job hunt30 that's almost the
>same as constantly being in
>court, as well as, being
>a convicted poacher. Glad to
>see utards having each other's
>backs

Not sure how having trespassing, poaching, and wildlife harassment charges is almost the same as being the center of attention in some Internet forum drama 6 plus years ago as a 20 year old kid. But everyone?s entitled to their own opinions. I'm sure not losing any sleep over it these days. Doesn?t appear it affects ol Brownlee either.

Coloradoboy

hunt30 · Nov 25, 2018

>good job hunt30 that's almost the
>same as constantly being in
>court, as well as, being
>a convicted poacher. Glad to
>see utards having each other's
>backs

No love for Brownlee, but I know a hypocritical bigot when I see it. By the logic of several on this forum, all Colorado hunters are unethical poachers because the actions of Kirt Darner...

Towelie · Nov 25, 2018

>LAST EDITED ON Nov-25-18
>AT 10:23?AM (MST)
>
>>Speaking of dumb Utards. Did anyone
>>see the Utarded camp in
>>36 during 3rd season on
>>Muddy Pass road that was
>>lit up with bright blue
>>lights. I mean WTF??? What
>>is the point of that?
>>If their goal was to
>>be obnoxious and make everyone
>>think they're F'N retards, they
>>succeeded.
>
>Pretty sure it is posted in
>the mule deer forum if
>you'd like to Read the
>story??
>
>http://www.monstermuleys.info/dcforum/DCForumID6/27638.html

That wasn't them. This was a 5th wheeler camper complete with multiple ATV's, multiple people and probably only 1 tag in camp. All the blue light BS needed it's own generator to power.

nripepi · Nov 25, 2018

LAST EDITED ON Nov-25-18 AT 12:10PM (MST)[p]I think it is a bit crazy to say that the reason there are no big bucks are because of the Utahans hunting with 5 spotters per tag...maybe that takes a toll on some top end bucks, but to say that is the primary reason there are less big bucks now is kind of crazy.

Pre 2008 winter kill, they gave out close to 800 3rd season tags in 35 and more than 1000 2nd season tags and the quality was better. After the big winter kill, there was a significant reduction in tags, but now that tag number is right back up to 700 (3rd) and 1000 (2nd), but the population now is much lower than in 2007. According to DOW's own stats, the Population estimate was 20,000 animals in DAU 8 (units 15, 35, 36, 45) in 2007 and that is now 13,000+ animals.

35% less animals, but the same number of buck tags = smaller bucks!

The only was to grow bigger bucks is to shoot less bucks...so reduce tags to reduce the kill.

If you want to give the animals more of a chance against long-range shooting....change 3rd season to muzzleloader with a scope or put a restriction on the scope power for rifles...(lets say max 5X power scope during rifle season).

HiMtnHntr · Nov 25, 2018

I guess it's easy to pin the blame on a certain group, and gather support for that cause, rather than to look at the complex system that created such conditions in the first place. That's what Hitler did.? It was the easy thing to do. Hell, there's too many people from CO in WY now days, too, if you want to go down that road....

Or, you can examine the things that have lead to these conditions over the years in the first place, the hard thing to do. Isn't the harder thing to do most often the right thing to do? I've heard that.

?First and foremost is the shear popularity of mule deer hunting, most particularly the desire of many to achieve fame according to all who will listen and care and watch the "grip and grin" chest pounding that perpetuates the "sport".? Unfortunately, it will never be enough, as there will always be one bigger, someone "better", and the popularity "reward" that is achieved is short-lived, shallow and unfullfilling in the longterm. Still, guys are willing to go to most any legal (and unfortunately often illegal) length to get their pic behind ol mossy horns.? Of course, all the high technology that has been mentioned plays into this, the possies, the high dollar tags, etc... In my opinion, this is all a detriment to what hunting should really be about, and all things that stand in the way of a positive outlook for out pastime.

Unfortunately, in this "perfect storm" of decreased and/or reduced quality of the mule deer hunting experience is the fact that this uber popularity of hunting mule deer is happening in the midst of declining deer numbers. Simply put, as popularity and the lengths guys will go to kill is increasing, deer numbers are generally decreasing. And so here we find ourselves, pointing fingers...

I suppose we can reduce tags, reduce seasons, and change tag allocation percentages.? But we can only do that so much.? We can engage in habitat improvements, close roads on winter range and stuff, etc... But, what really needs to happen is a change in the cultural system that perpetuates this sort of thing in the first place. That means a great many need to look at their own practices and reasons for hunting these deer and contemplate what they want for the future of the pursuit. Look in the mirror fellas... we're all guilty, to some extent.? You're a liar if you say otherwise.

And we have created a certain breed of "hunter" who has this extreme, fanatical approach to hunting that really pushes the envelope in terms of the idea of what modern hunting should be. It's not sustainable, not for us and our beloved pastime, and sure as hell not for the deer. They're willing to go to most any length, and spend all kinds of money on that high tech stuff doing it, just to get that post up on some social media site. It's not about the pursuit or the meat or the outdoor experience. It's not about real hunting skills of reading sign and observing nature.? It's not even as much about family and friends as it is about something hitting the ground. These posse hunters who recruit 12 friends to help would probably step over any one of them to be first on the trigger.

Worst of all, it's too often not about a great respect for the animals and the land, and a willingness to be just as happy with an unfilled tag as they are when the tag is filled.? This more fulfilling, sustainable view of hunting is generally learned over a period of years, most commonly under people who can be good models of this way of approaching hunting. But it's glaringly obvious that this modeling and teaching of a more sustainable, fulfilling, and reasonable approach to hunting is not getting around enough these days.

I wish I could say I believe the culture of our pursuit will change, and a more sustainable and pure approach will prevail, but I don't. I fear that the evil vane of our hunter ranks will ruin it for all. There will be more competition for less deer, more regulation as a result, and less and less opportunity. This is what history has shown. The only thing you can do is do right by yourself and the people you can affect. If you have time to get involved then good for you. Maybe it will help.

Coloradoboy · Nov 25, 2018

>I guess it's easy to pin
>the blame on a certain
>group, and gather support for
>that cause, rather than to
>look at the complex system
>that created such conditions in
>the first place. That's what
>Hitler did.? It was the
>easy thing to do. Hell,
>there's too many people from
>CO in WY now days,
>too, if you want to
>go down that road....
>
>Or, you can examine the things
>that have lead to these
>conditions over the years in
>the first place, the hard
>thing to do. Isn't the
>harder thing to do most
>often the right thing to
>do? I've heard that.
>
>?First and foremost is the shear
>popularity of mule deer hunting,
>most particularly the desire of
>many to achieve fame according
>to all who will listen
>and care and watch the
>"grip and grin" chest pounding
>that perpetuates the "sport".? Unfortunately,
>it will never be enough,
>as there will always be
>one bigger, someone "better", and
>the popularity "reward" that is
>achieved is short-lived, shallow and
>unfullfilling in the longterm. Still,
>guys are willing to go
>to most any legal (and
>unfortunately often illegal) length to
>get their pic behind ol
>mossy horns.? Of course, all
>the high technology that has
>been mentioned plays into this,
>the possies, the high dollar
>tags, etc... In my opinion,
>this is all a detriment
>to what hunting should really
>be about, and all things
>that stand in the way
>of a positive outlook for
>out pastime.
>
>Unfortunately, in this "perfect storm" of
>decreased and/or reduced quality of
>the mule deer hunting experience
>is the fact that this
>uber popularity of hunting mule
>deer is happening in the
>midst of declining deer numbers.
>Simply put, as popularity and
>the lengths guys will go
>to kill is increasing, deer
>numbers are generally decreasing. And
>so here we find ourselves,
>pointing fingers...
>
>I suppose we can reduce tags,
>reduce seasons, and change tag
>allocation percentages.? But we can
>only do that so much.?
>We can engage in habitat
>improvements, close roads on winter
>range and stuff, etc... But,
>what really needs to happen
>is a change in the
>cultural system that perpetuates this
>sort of thing in the
>first place. That means a
>great many need to look
>at their own practices and
>reasons for hunting these deer
>and contemplate what they want
>for the future of the
>pursuit. Look in the mirror
>fellas... we're all guilty, to
>some extent.? You're a liar
>if you say otherwise.
>
>And we have created a certain
>breed of "hunter" who has
>this extreme, fanatical approach to
>hunting that really pushes the
>envelope in terms of the
>idea of what modern hunting
>should be. It's not sustainable,
>not for us and our
>beloved pastime, and sure as
>hell not for the deer.
>They're willing to go to
>most any length, and spend
>all kinds of money on
>that high tech stuff doing
>it, just to get that
>post up on some social
>media site. It's not about
>the pursuit or the meat
>or the outdoor experience. It's
>not about real hunting skills
>of reading sign and observing
>nature.? It's not even as
>much about family and friends
>as it is about something
>hitting the ground. These posse
>hunters who recruit 12 friends
>to help would probably step
>over any one of them
>to be first on the
>trigger.
>
>Worst of all, it's too often
>not about a great respect
>for the animals and the
>land, and a willingness to
>be just as happy with
>an unfilled tag as they
>are when the tag is
>filled.? This more fulfilling, sustainable
>view of hunting is generally
>learned over a period of
>years, most commonly under people
>who can be good models
>of this way of approaching
>hunting. But it's glaringly obvious
>that this modeling and teaching
>of a more sustainable, fulfilling,
>and reasonable approach to hunting
>is not getting around enough
>these days.
>
>I wish I could say I
>believe the culture of our
>pursuit will change, and a
>more sustainable and pure approach
>will prevail, but I don't.
>I fear that the evil
>vane of our hunter ranks
>will ruin it for all.
>There will be more competition
>for less deer, more regulation
>as a result, and less
>and less opportunity. This is
>what history has shown. The
>only thing you can do
>is do right by yourself
>and the people you can
>affect. If you have time
>to get involved then good
>for you. Maybe it will
>help.

+1

opbuckslayer · Nov 25, 2018

>good job hunt30 that's almost the
>same as constantly being in
>court, as well as, being
>a convicted poacher. Glad to
>see utards having each other's
>backs

Obviously OTH,you have a personal problem with a certain individual. The reality is that mule deer have a price on their head with the ever increasing commercialization of western hunting & ethics are always compromised when money & fame get involved. Pretty sure there is a list a mile long of ethics offenders that haven't been caught (yet) that have joined the quest of fame & money in western hunting.

I wish hunting could get back to its roots of filling the freezer,family & the love of being outdoors.

ORIONTHEHUNTER · Nov 25, 2018

>Obviously OTH,you have a personal problem
>with a certain individual. The
>reality is that mule deer
>have a price on their
>head with the ever increasing
>commercialization of western hunting &
>ethics are always compromised when
>money & fame get involved.
>Pretty sure there is a
>list a mile long of
>ethics offenders that haven't been
>caught (yet) that have joined
>the quest of fame &
>money in western hunting.
>
>I wish hunting could get back
>to its roots of filling
>the freezer,family & the love
>of being outdoors.

Nope just get tired of people like Brownlee breaking the law to kill big deer then when they get called out on this site Founder and others defend them and say people are just jealous because they know how to kill big stuff. One things for sure status quo isn't working so hopefully CPW gets off their cans and starts managing for the herds and not the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

DW · Nov 25, 2018

No utards have chimed in on onedyboots poll. That's odd.

#livelikezac

one_dryboot · Nov 25, 2018

Most Utards have better things to do than read a post about Colorado residents bitching and moaning that Utards have ruined their hunting. When in fact it is their own bad managing practices they should be pissed.
Luckily for me, I am home with my foot in the air. 5 days before my Colorado hunt I tore ligaments in my foot. Thought about turning my tag back but hell no.

This year Unit 35 gave over 2,000 deer tags between muzz, 2nd, 3rd, 4th season. I can clearly see how it's the Utards fault....

DW · Nov 25, 2018

You'll get no arguement from me on the mismanagement. Doesn't change the fact that if somebody needs a posse and a 7k$ rifle to kill a decent mule deer they're not much of a hunter IMO. Fact, in my eyes if a person needs these crutches he's not much better than that chit I scrape off my boots after a day with my horses.

#livelikezac

one_dryboot · Nov 25, 2018

I agree with you 100% DW

Coloradoboy · Nov 25, 2018

LAST EDITED ON Nov-25-18 AT 04:21PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Nov-25-18 AT 04:20?PM (MST)

It's not solely Utah?s fault, It's a collective effort from across the board that starts from the top at CPW for allowing it to happen. The unit just happens to be a fan favorite of our buddies to the east. Residents have voiced their concerns towards the deer management and structure for years and I hope Colorado Parks and Wildlife sticks to their word when it comes to restructuring tag allotments for the units. I feel majority of nonresident hunters alike would like to see this also. Like others have said before, hunting (especially trophy mule deer hunting) has become a very competitive and technology driven thing. Most of us aren't willing to give up our high dollar optics and long range rifles to create a more primitive style of hunt. Thus, cutting back big time on tags and creating another unit 44 type place is the only way we are going to see higher numbers of mature age class deer and less pressure. I for one am willing to give up opportunity to create quality in a struggling deer herd that needs a break.

YBO · Nov 25, 2018

With a smile on my face, I can FINALLY say that Kalifornicated hunters are now in second place as the most hated non resident nimrods.

Squirrel · Nov 26, 2018

>With a smile on my face,
>I can FINALLY say that
>Kalifornicated hunters are now in
>second place as the most
>hated non resident nimrods.

My current situation precludes me from caring about your opinion but go ahead and give voice to it anyway...

Way down the list when toting a rifle, but at the top when towing a Uhaul trailer YBO...

Kinda like the southern saying of "a Yankee comes here on vacation, but a @#^%ing Yankee comes here on vacation and stays."

I will say it is very hard not to stereotype them all with the same broad brush even though it is,of course, unfair to a couple of them, (as yet un-met, of course)

Their unique talent seems to be to combine stupidity, incompetence, and abrasive arrogance into one very unlikable entity, haven't seen its like since the Texas invasion back in the 80's.

I was walking through a camp of them a couple years ago and (they were camped literally ON the trail) stopped my string out of politeness and said something like "nice deer" about the row of shaker bucks (pisscutters??) they had lined up in the snow.

They started hooting about how bad of a hunter I was and they were shooting all these monsters right from under my nose, and how they were utards from Utah here to show us idiots how to hunt them there deer...and did I not want to see their pics from last year.

The fact that I was on an ELK hunt musta never occurred to them, But it is REALLY hard not to dislike people like that.

And that doesn't even take into consideration their actions of the previous few days that I had witnessed first hand through my scope.

Adventurewriter · Nov 26, 2018

Heard a good one ...a buddy had been watching a deer for a week was driving into the area for a predawn hike to position and lo and behold there was a Utah truck "broken" down on the road in and strangely it happened right in the narrowest part where you couldn't pass....geeeeze she just won't start...

Years ago I had a unit 10 tag for deer when it took 2 points...was watching and sitting on a good buck for almost a week and just saw their movement in the dark opening morning and knew I had to move 400 yards to get in position well here trundles a truck way down the road likely seem y ronage and stops...and start cranking 800 yards shots at this deer long before any long range shooting systems... when I went back to my truck the guy drives up with a grin on his face clueless how badly he had just screwed me and said "he that was a good buck you were almost on him...figured I would give it a go" I was super pissed but swallowed it...

Squirrel is wise but Confucius is even wiser when he said "When you are in the middle of nowhere you are regularly leaving you truck unattended and people have guns it is wise it be on your best manners in the woods" and with this thought I am always on my best behavior when dealing with other jerk hunters( they are rare but hunting for 40 years I know they certainly do exist)in the woods when in other circumstances it would be a bullet train to fist city given a parallel circumstance....

Adventurewriter · Nov 26, 2018

And yep the guy was from Utah but by himself....but with that said I know some individual hunters from Utah that are stone cold good guys a few that are regulars on this site...

tagsoup · Nov 27, 2018

That was fun to read.

"Go hunt for meat at Walmart."

Ridn9high · Nov 27, 2018

LAST EDITED ON Nov-27-18 AT 10:42PM (MST)[p]All states have their bad apples, but obviously some states have orchards full of them.
Here?s a story from last seasons hunt. My brother and I were on top of a hill glassing some draws and bottom land. Where we were sitting, we could see a paved road that went through the canyon a ways below us. Through the spotting scope, we watched three pickups(Hunters posse) stop in the middle of the road, multiple guys get out from the trucks, a guy with camera, and one guy with a gun. The shooter had a very expensive shooting rest, it was one of those fancy Ford F-250?s. From the black top, using the truck as a rest, he killed the buck that was about 100 yards off the road. About an hour later we were coming down that paved road where the drive by had happened, and these guys were still there. We said ?nice buck? and the amateur cameraman relied ?we got it all on film?. Well he dang sure wasn?t lying, they did get it all filmed. I randomly found it on you tube. The posse in the video, matches the photos of the posse we took through our spotter. But for some reason he didn't zoom out and let the shooter tell his story after the shot. Guess the pickup and asphalt wouldn't be good footage. All three trucks had Utah tags.

Cheater · Nov 28, 2018

Ridn9high, hopefullly you reported that incident.

Utah resident here, never hunted Colorado but do have a few points for deer that I'll use sometime soon. I'm sure some of these stories are true and some are exaggerated. I think there is a pretty broad brush being painted with here, but I know the know the types of guys causing the frustration, so I get it.

With that said, pinning Colorado's mule deer woes on the the "tards" seems a bit dramatic. Fairly easy to draw rifle tags happening during the rut seems like a bigger problem to me. Same with Montana deer hunts or Utah LE elk hunts. More of a management issue than a "who is the hunter and what state did he come from" issue.

When I do come over there to hunt, I'll probably rent or borrow a truck with CO tags so that I can get waves/smiles instead of the middle finger

desperatehills · Nov 28, 2018

When I went to Idaho on my moose hunt 10 years ago my buddy from sand point insisted we use his truck and leave my truck with Oregon plates in his driveway.

If your in Oregon there are too many Californians

In Idaho there are too many Oregonians

In Colorado there are too many people from Utah.

Remember we are all Americans and we are blessed with the freedoms that let us travel and pursue the things we love.

elks96 · Nov 28, 2018

>Here?s one of my favorites
>
>http://www.monstermuleys.info/cgi-b...thread&om=14841&forum=DCForumID12&archive=yes

Young and dumb, Colorado Boy came clean and really never did much wrong. Since that time he has been a good contributor to our place.

It was silly youthful mistake, he owned it and never broke any laws.

Move past that issue...

BradA · Nov 28, 2018

>LAST EDITED ON Nov-27-18
>AT 10:42?PM (MST)
>
>All states have their bad apples,
>but obviously some states have
>orchards full of them.
>Here?s a story from last seasons
>hunt. My brother and I
>were on top of a
>hill glassing some draws and
>bottom land. Where we were
>sitting, we could see a
>paved road that went through
>the canyon a ways below
>us. Through the spotting
>scope, we watched three pickups(Hunters
>posse) stop in the middle
>of the road, multiple guys
>get out from the trucks,
>a guy with camera, and
>one guy with a gun.
> The shooter had a
>very expensive shooting rest, it
>was one of those fancy
>Ford F-250?s. From the
>black top, using the truck
>as a rest, he killed
>the buck that was about
>100 yards off the road.
> About an hour
>later we were coming down
>that paved road where the
>drive by had happened, and
>these guys were still there.
>We said ?nice buck? and
>the amateur cameraman relied ?we
>got it all on film?.
> Well he dang sure
>wasn?t lying, they did get
>it all filmed. I randomly
>found it on you tube.
>The posse in the video,
>matches the photos of the
>posse we took through our
>spotter. But for some
>reason he didn't zoom out
>and let the shooter tell
>his story after the shot.
>Guess the pickup and asphalt
>wouldn't be good footage.
>All three trucks had Utah
>tags.

Post a link of the video

https://www.sagemuleys.com

ORIONTHEHUNTER · Nov 29, 2018

After the thread in the general forum and the mule deer forum lets make sure we add Tines Up to the ultimate Utards. They may have surpassed Brownlee

tailchaser · Nov 29, 2018

I'm a member that also "used" to hunt here. I've had more than one run in with the Utah crowd. I'm also a non-resident when it comes to Colorado but what I noticed in general there was absolutely no consideration given from other Utes if you were in a spot or not. On one occassion, I walked in on a trailhead 2 miles before daylight to sit on a ridge at first light. The spot was about 3/4 mile off of the trailhead but you could see the trail from my location. About an hour after light I saw two folks walking the trail and didn't think anything of it. About 30 minutes later I notice them coming down the ridge I was on and sat down 20-feet from me and started glassing. We're all in pumpkin and they looked right at me. I had a puzzling look on my face and asked what they were doing? They responded it looked like a good spot and it's a free world.

I grabbed my stuff and left. As I was walking out I noticed the small tree I was sitting next to (bout 3-feet tall) was now smoking. The idiots were trying to start a fire and using a green tree in November. They made a great smoke signal I could see all the way on my walk back. Just made me shake my head.

In part I think the limited tags in Utah and the urge to want to go hunting plays a part in the way they act towards other hunters and do the party hunting thing. It definitely doesn't look good for the hunters from that state that I'm sure are great people to be around in the field. A few bad apples gives the whole state a bad look.

tc

ORIONTHEHUNTER · Nov 29, 2018

Page 74 its a great read

https://cpw.state.co.us/Documents/R...5FileBab4A9anJc2noPIbQVIKlMp7HaaFzSUsmljKxSRo

stilltrying · Nov 29, 2018

In the end.....there are two types of hunters. One that is respectful to the outdoors, to their prey and to their fellow hunters, the other one is not respectful to or or all of the above.

I don't see a state affiliation as the main driving factor to one or the other above. We can all site examples of a bad hunter or group of hunters however let's call it what it is......personal accountability at an individual level not based upon where someone calls home.

Let's all try to respect each other and hold others accountable if we see someone breaking the law....I think we all love the outdoors and the freedom to hunt. (I think we need each other to continue on that freedom).

wstrntines · Nov 29, 2018

>LAST EDITED ON Nov-27-18
>AT 10:42?PM (MST)
>
>All states have their bad apples,
>but obviously some states have
>orchards full of them.
>Here?s a story from last seasons
>hunt. My brother and I
>were on top of a
>hill glassing some draws and
>bottom land. Where we were
>sitting, we could see a
>paved road that went through
>the canyon a ways below
>us. Through the spotting
>scope, we watched three pickups(Hunters
>posse) stop in the middle
>of the road, multiple guys
>get out from the trucks,
>a guy with camera, and
>one guy with a gun.
> The shooter had a
>very expensive shooting rest, it
>was one of those fancy
>Ford F-250?s. From the
>black top, using the truck
>as a rest, he killed
>the buck that was about
>100 yards off the road.
> About an hour
>later we were coming down
>that paved road where the
>drive by had happened, and
>these guys were still there.
>We said ?nice buck? and
>the amateur cameraman relied ?we
>got it all on film?.
> Well he dang sure
>wasn?t lying, they did get
>it all filmed. I randomly
>found it on you tube.
>The posse in the video,
>matches the photos of the
>posse we took through our
>spotter. But for some
>reason he didn't zoom out
>and let the shooter tell
>his story after the shot.
>Guess the pickup and asphalt
>wouldn't be good footage.
>All three trucks had Utah
>tags.

Can you send me the link I need a good watch to see how my fellow Utah brethren did.

"We don't have a gun problem we have prescription drug problem."

cowhitey · Dec 1, 2018

It's just ridiculous that so many people come on this forum and ask for help when they draw a coveted tag. Then these people don't even have the common courtesy to come back after their hunt and let people know how they did.

Although this thread turned into a pissing match, Don we're still waiting? Any hunt update for possibly any other MM member who may be looking to burn their points on this hunt?

DW · Dec 1, 2018

>It's just ridiculous that so many
>people come on this forum
>and ask for help when
>they draw a coveted tag.
> Then these people don't
>even have the common courtesy
>to come back after their
>hunt and let people know
>how they did.
>
>Although this thread turned into a
>pissing match, Don we're still
>waiting? Any hunt update
>for possibly any other MM
>member who may be looking
>to burn their points on
>this hunt?

Read post 6 and 7.

#livelikezac

pdkillr · Dec 2, 2018

>>It's just ridiculous that so many
>>people come on this forum
>>and ask for help when
>>they draw a coveted tag.
>> Then these people don't
>>even have the common courtesy
>>to come back after their
>>hunt and let people know
>>how they did.
>>
>>Although this thread turned into a
>>pissing match, Don we're still
>>waiting? Any hunt update
>>for possibly any other MM
>>member who may be looking
>>to burn their points on
>>this hunt?
>
>Read post 6 and 7.
>
>#livelikezac

I did as promised. Read 67 4th season review update. Now will someone help me find a 350 plus bull on public to use my 19 NR PP next year!

liecabucks · Dec 2, 2018

I feel blessed to be caught up in all this internet chatter. I for one quite enjoyed my lights...... have you MMers lost the Christmas spirit also?!!. I suppose I'm a Utard too, labeled from birth. Them goddamn lights will get ya every time!!! Bless my heart, I didn't have any ?spotters? with me. OR a high dollar ?long rang rig? lol. Well, if you count the money I spent on bullets N powder I suppose you could call er high dollar. I seriously can't believe half the ?my #####? don't stink on here. Ohhhhh and Merry Christmas bitches!

Sit tall in the saddle, hold your head up high, keep your eyes fixed to where the trail meets the sky...

one_dryboot · Dec 2, 2018

>
>I feel blessed to be caught
>up in all this internet
> chatter.
>I for one quite enjoyed
>my lights......
>have you MMers lost the
>Christmas spirit also?!!.
> I suppose I'm
>a Utard too, labeled from
>birth. Them goddamn
>lights will get ya every
>time!!!
>Bless my heart, I didn't
>have any ?spotters? with me.
> OR a high
>dollar ?long rang rig? lol.
> Well,
>if you count the money
>I spent on bullets N
>powder I suppose you could
>call er high dollar.
> I seriously can't
>believe half the ?my #####?
>don't stink on here.
> Ohhhhh and Merry Christmas
>bitches!
>
>
>Sit tall in the saddle, hold
>your head up high, keep
>your eyes fixed to where
>the trail meets the sky...
>

??????????

Coloradoboy · Dec 3, 2018

>>>It's just ridiculous that so many
>>>people come on this forum
>>>and ask for help when
>>>they draw a coveted tag.
>>> Then these people don't
>>>even have the common courtesy
>>>to come back after their
>>>hunt and let people know
>>>how they did.
>>>
>>>Although this thread turned into a
>>>pissing match, Don we're still
>>>waiting? Any hunt update
>>>for possibly any other MM
>>>member who may be looking
>>>to burn their points on
>>>this hunt?
>>
>>Read post 6 and 7.
>>
>>#livelikezac
>
>
>I did as promised. Read 67
>4th season review update. Now
>will someone help me find
>a 350 plus bull on
>public to use my 19
>NR PP next year!

That's a tall order cowboy. I'd be digging in your pockets for a unit 40 guided hunt if you want a 350 plus. Your out of play with units 2,10,201. Best option after unit 40 would be a 3rd season Bosque Del Oso tag. Not sure if 19 as a NR will get it.

Coloradoboy

elkmo41 · Dec 3, 2018

>LAST EDITED ON Nov-27-18
>AT 10:42?PM (MST)
>
>All states have their bad apples,
>but obviously some states have
>orchards full of them.
>Here?s a story from last seasons
>hunt. My brother and I
>were on top of a
>hill glassing some draws and
>bottom land. Where we were
>sitting, we could see a
>paved road that went through
>the canyon a ways below
>us. Through the spotting
>scope, we watched three pickups(Hunters
>posse) stop in the middle
>of the road, multiple guys
>get out from the trucks,
>a guy with camera, and
>one guy with a gun.
> The shooter had a
>very expensive shooting rest, it
>was one of those fancy
>Ford F-250?s. From the
>black top, using the truck
>as a rest, he killed
>the buck that was about
>100 yards off the road.
> About an hour
>later we were coming down
>that paved road where the
>drive by had happened, and
>these guys were still there.
>We said ?nice buck? and
>the amateur cameraman relied ?we
>got it all on film?.
> Well he dang sure
>wasn?t lying, they did get
>it all filmed. I randomly
>found it on you tube.
>The posse in the video,
>matches the photos of the
>posse we took through our
>spotter. But for some
>reason he didn't zoom out
>and let the shooter tell
>his story after the shot.
>Guess the pickup and asphalt
>wouldn't be good footage.
>All three trucks had Utah
>tags.

Like to see it...got a link?

AspenAdventures · Feb 26, 2019

You know I am surprised at all of the back talk about people from Utah. You do realize that the founder of this website is from Utah? He?s a great guy. Bryan is top notch. Do you know who I really don't like? All the ##### heads from Colorado. When I go hunting out there I find them on the trails. The Liberals own the state of Colorado. They go on and on about how I shouldn't be hunting up there. They then get whiskey eyes and wonder if they are safe in the back country without orange vest on. The idiots that run the state of Colorado should pay attention to the amount of tags they put out. They whine and they complain and then they make it easier to put in. Last year the state of Colorado made it way too easy to put in and now you don't have to pay the fee upfront. This is going to make it really tough for people to draw. The amount of points needed for a unit is going to skyrocket. I hunted unit 36. I passed up a four point. I am from Utah. I passed him at 50 yards. I could have also shot a three point at 50 yards. The idiots that run the state of Colorado should pay attention to the amount of tags they put out. They whine and they complain and then they make it easier to put in. Last year the state of Colorado made it way too easy to put in and now you don't have to pay the fee upfront. This is going to make it really tough for people to draw. The amount of points needed for a unit is going to skyrocket. I hunted unit 36. I passed up a four point. I am from Utah. I passed him at 50 yards. I could have also shot a three point at 50 yards.You know who I saw bagging bucks left and right. Two points. The guys from Michigan. And the locals from Colorado. The people I talked with were from Colorado and Michigan. The locals were liberals or wouldn't tell you anything and tried to distract us with bad information. The only nice people up there were from Utah. I don't drink and I don't smoke. The Colorado boys up there were drunk as hell. They were smacking all the two points. And lying to the people from Utah. The ones that were drunk were liberals

you want to make fun of people from another state. There is a reason the population of people is growing in Utah. There is a reason that our unemployment rate is lower. You want to talk about retard so you can go looking in your own state of Colorado. Maybe you are to take a quick look at your fiscal responsibility in that state. You rank 27th out of 50 states. Utah ranks 9th. If Utah is beating you and Utah is full of retards then you must be totally brain-dead at 27th. Nice work. From the locals I met you are either a bunch of drunks or a bunch of hippies on pot and a bunch of liars trying to ruin peoples hands. That's the people I met in Colorado. Nice work on your piece of crap unit that I will never hunt again and nice work on your fiscal responsibility in the state. I look forward to someday maybe you get a Utah person to move there and fix your broken game management unit. Until then. As long as it's up to those idiots from Colorado. Who are proven brain-dead. It's going to be a long ride

enjoy your 10% success Rate last year

pitiful

The_Coloradoboy · Feb 26, 2019

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Not denying Colorado isn't full of libtards. Obviously Utah is going to rank higher as far as Fiscal Responibility goes because it is a Red Controled statewith conservative control.I wouldn't put Utah?s biggame management practices on a pedestal though and I would bet you there are many from Utah whom wouldn't argue that. Obviously if Utah general deer was so great droves of Utah people wouldn't be seeking muley hunts outside the state. I've been on multiple LE Utah elk hunts and the quality is clearly down for obvious reasons. You can only whack so many bulls with rifles in middle of m September with teams of spotters covering every knob and expect the quality to maintain itself.

Coloradoboy

txhunter58 · Feb 26, 2019

Wow, why don't you tell us what you are really thinking, and then repeat it so we know for sure.

BTW, the term Utard is used many times by people from Utah or from NRs but and is pretty much accepted as a good natured joke.

I have been putting into your state for many years(approaching 20). You guys limit us to 10% and I may draw a tag this year or may never draw a tag! Either way I HAVE NEVER HUNTED YOUR STATE BECAUSE I HAVEN'T DRAWN A TAG! I have spent a TON of money trying, and haven't seen a single tag so far! However, I go to Colorado and enjoy a hunt every year. Guess I could come to Utah and hunt a spike elk or a general deer hunt and have a total zoo of people and not much but a 2 point that makes it past each season.

I don't like a lot of the things that have happened in Colorado either in the way of tags/drawings/etc. But there are some good people there and have made many friends. Most of the residents I have met in the woods have been nice as well. Sounds like you just need to stay home and enjoy all the good hunts you have there.

By the way, I don't drink, have never once used pot, and am proud of the fact that Texas is still a red state. And if you really get to know the Colorado resident hunters, you would find them mostly great people as well.

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)

AspenAdventures · Feb 26, 2019

I agree most of the people in Colorado are probably great people. But the ones that were hunting next to me weren't that great. But I didn't go around inventing new nicknames for them. They were drunk and shooting two points. They run their state like crap. I'm not going to say that Utah has the best hunting or that they do a better job in Colorado. But that doesn't justify the pitiful situation in unit 35 and 36. The state is simply grabbing dollars in those units. That being said again, I passed up four points on their land. They didn't. They made sure they shot anything that moved. If the Utah guys , Us, acted like the guys in Colorado, all of the deer would have been dead in that unit. I left a few four-point bucks for them

the Utah hard thing is excepted by a lot of people but only by people who are Coltards.

The_Coloradoboy · Feb 26, 2019

We as residents have watched the downward spiral of unit 35/36 for a whille. You basing Colorado?s mule deer manage solely off your one hunt in 35/36 would be comparable to me basing Utah?s off a crowded general hunt where sober Mormons blast forkies off the road all day long in the uinitahs

Adventurewriter · Feb 26, 2019

Second TX58...Utah seems to be the hopeless state to ever hunt but I keep trying....

Squirrel · Feb 26, 2019

My current situation precludes me from caring about your opinion but go ahead and give voice to it anyway...

Are you sure you passed on a four point, you barely mentioned it... You wild and crazy guy.

Chacoblue777 · Feb 26, 2019

Bunch of sad posts and comments!

Coming from someone who can't and does not claim ANY residency in any US state, it's a silly subject really when you think about the bigger picture! I don't feel constricted to any state when hunting, and shouldn't have to feel like an outsider as a US citizen who loves to hunt as much as possible wherever I can.

HIcountryman · Feb 27, 2019

Wah wah wah... i hope everybody stops huntin CO cuz it sucks so bad. Go hunt with Trump jr.

HIcountryman · Feb 27, 2019

I dont care how many hunters from utah, cali, oregon, wyo or coloresidents are road hunting in unit im in. I will go further and get a buck.

I dont care how many liberals are on the trail. They are ON the trail, big bucks are not.

Ya ll need a box of tissues

Deerlove · Feb 27, 2019

Thanks AA for letting us know you past on a 4 pt. Your a hell of a hunter.

elkboy32 · Feb 27, 2019

I really like the hunt area. Always makes me giggle at how many people poo poo the zone.

AspenAdventures · Feb 28, 2019

Deerlove

You know my point was simply just defending us guys from Utah that spend $500,000,000.00 in your state hunting each year. The source I just looked up says out of state hunters bring in 500 million dollars to your state each year. So, when people from Colorado act like they are better than the people of Utah I simply ask....why? Why even say it? Doesnt it sound like you guys are 12 year olds? Is this forum a place to talk about hunting? Quit complaining and cut the tags if you dont want people from Utah there. Quit complaining and make it a 4 point or better unit if you dont want people shooting small bucks. Like I said, the scum I met on the mountain....all had Colorado plates. So, it goes both ways...nobody on there is better than the other. Quit comparing lift kits on pickups.

The_Coloradoboy · Feb 28, 2019

LAST EDITED ON Feb-28-19 AT 06:21PM (MST)[p]>Deerlove
>
>You know my point was simply
>just defending us guys from
>Utah that spend $500,000,000.00 in
>your state hunting each year.
> The source I
>just looked up says out
>of state hunters bring in
>500 million dollars to your
>state each year. So,
>when people from Colorado act
>like they are better than
>the people of Utah I
>simply ask....why? Why even
>say it? Doesnt it
>sound like you guys are
>12 year olds? Is
>this forum a place to
>talk about hunting? Quit
>complaining and cut the tags
>if you dont want people
>from Utah there. Quit
>complaining and make it a
>4 point or better unit
>if you dont want people
>shooting small bucks.
>Like I said, the scum
>I met on the mountain....all
>had Colorado plates. So,
>it goes both ways...nobody on
>there is better than the
>other. Quit comparing lift
>kits on pickups.

Honestly there are good and bad apples in every state. I know many good people from the state of Utah. I think more of what us guys from outside of Utah poke fun at is a lot of the trends and stereotypes that have been created in the ol beehive state. 1.flattys with or without the ears tucked (thank you hush and zac Griffith) 2.shed hunting craze (thank you tines up) 3. Paying for someone to do your applications and blow up out of state units (thank you huntin fool) 4. The term/style ?spotter? and team hunting (thank you mossback and WLH) 5. Shitty GNC supplements with a hunting twist (thank you mountain ops) 6. Become and insta-famous hunting star with a YouTube Chanel (get their autographs yearly at the western expo, many of which are Utah based.)
If you can't laugh at it I'm sorry. All us Colorado guys have is Pot, coors beer, a gay/liberal/progressive governor and a life of sin to our holy buddies to West. There?s plenty of people from Colorado who aren't pot smoking, liberal cry babies that we get labeled as there are plenty of people from Utah who don't fit under the ?tard label.

Coloradoboy

AspenAdventures · Feb 28, 2019

It really is nice here in Utah. We are number one in the nation per capita with new business start up?s. It also explains the bankruptcy rate but we start more businesses here. Huntsman chemical was the largest privately owned business in the world. They live in Utah. Utah has a new place called the silicon slopes. Down in Lehi. And I guess you are right. We do start a lot of trends. And you are also right the state of Colorado has us beat when it comes to potheads. And alcohol consumption. Thanks for letting us hunt in Colorado. Unit 36 is one of the most beautiful places I have ever been. I wish it was run better.

Broomer · Mar 7, 2019

Coloradoboy, dude..... flat out hilarious!!!

Utahan here, and I seriously make fun of our trends. Blows me away that you don't see any of the same stuff anywhere else. However, Newberg is Montana, born and raised are Oregon? Hush actually is idaho and Utah but they are pretty much the same. Now the flaties are all Utah start ups for sure!!! Drives me nuts too.

We do descend on Colorado but you guys should be proud of that. I don't see many people descending on Utah from out of state...to hunt that is! Now living we are getting over run by all the transplants from Cali and other liberal states. It's an unfortunate thing for sure.

fallguy · Mar 7, 2019

I think the OP put the wrong title on this post. He asked about "CO 4th rifle deer 35, 36, 45, 361".

desperatehills · Mar 8, 2019

Funny, I was just getting ready to post something similar. Everyone should go up read the first post and ask themselves, "how did we get here?"

270Whatelse · Mar 8, 2019

Never hunted any of these units but this is one of my favorite threads!

CO 4th rifle deer 35, 36, 45, 361

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