Point fee question

txhunter58

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I see where the point fees for Moose/sheep/goat is going to $100 but I can't see if they are changing the current fees for elk/deer.

I have never paid a point fee as I always hunt, so don't have to pay, but have friends that do.

txhunter58

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For non-res you will have to buy a small game license for this year or turkey tag before you can even apply ($80). $9 per species app fee. $100 point fee each moose, sheep, goat. 10 habitat stamp. Cant see that there is a point fee for deer, elk or antelope, but they get you with the license. I will be out $444 before I even draw the tag if I put in for everything that I usually put in for. I am at 7 moose, 13 goat, 17 sheep points. I am rethinking now if it will be worth it to pursue it. Longshot odds even with that much invested.
 
Tag fees for non res are supposed to stay the same this year with exception of bear dropping to 100. They will move it up with inflation in the future though.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-03-19 AT 06:06AM (MST)[p]I have seen all that, but no mention of elk/deer points. They have been $40 for NR per species and I can't see them dropping that, even with the new license purchase requirement. But you think they would have that in print somewhere.

Have never been in the moose/sheep/goat lottery, so that doesn't affect me. But I used to say they were nickel and diming us to death. Now it is $80-100!

And yes, NR got a one year "break" from price increase of the tag, but everyone has to buy the extra license now, so that is a wash. But you can bet that next year, both res and NR prices will move up. Welcome to the party res. Not good for either of us

It will be interesting to see what this does to the overall numbers of applicants. They shot up last year due to dropping having to send the cost of the tag up front. But now with the new fees, that will probably back off some.

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
"The new requirement to purchase a qualifying hunting license before applying for the big game limited license drawing ensures that all hunters financially contribute to the Division?s wildlife conservation and management programs in Colorado. A similar approach is used in several other western states and it replaces CPW?s previous pay-to-play fee for deer, elk, pronghorn and bear applicants who were unsuccessful in the drawing or who applied for a preference point as their first choice and did not hold a qualifying license. The previous pay-to-play fee was first adopted by the Commission in 2005 with a similar philosophy of ensuring all applicants for the big game limited license drawing financially contributed to wildlife conservation in Colorado, especially drawing applicants who were only seeking preference points and were not otherwise buying a license."

Straight from the CPW site.

First thing that comes to mind as a resident is ... Why isn't a fishing license a " qualifying license"??

Also... isn't the $10 habitat stamp fee that is also required before even applying a " financial contribution"?
 
"What fees will be charged for preference points in 2019?

In 2019, preference point fees will only be charged for Rocky Mountain bighorn sheep, moose and mountain goat applications. Preference point fees for each of these species will be $50 for residents and $100 for nonresidents. There are no longer preference point fees for elk, deer, pronghorn, or bear. (Back to Wildlife Questions)"

From oldmossback's link
 
I guess a $600+ dollar elk tag doesn't count as financially contributing?

Overall it is starting to get ridiculous how much it costs to apply out of state. But nothing you can do except pay the fees or not hunt.

I read a post if you apply for everything in Wyoming it is over $900 non refundable. Colorado has to be $400-$500 non refundable to apply for everything. And at the end of the day unless you started when the point systems did you have hardly any chance of drawing the top tags. Oh well it is what it is.
 
The mental and liguistic gymnastics applied here to justify forcing the purchase of a licence in order to apply for a licence is comical. First they acknowledge that the application fee is assessed to cover the administrative costs of running the lottery, then they claim that the additional fees are to ensure all hunters contribute and to prevent people from just accumulating points without contributing (errr wait, but weren't they paying for points?). And apparently, the fee you pay if you actually draw is not apparently enough to adequately compensate the state (or generate enough matching federal funds or something) so everybody else who doesnt actually hunt or ?coms ume? any services at all must be held to account for the shortage, unless of course you buy an OTC licence in which case everything is perfectly balanced and no additional extra ?qualifying? licences are needed. These folks may have just won the over-thinking award of 2019, or as it's otherwise know, the mind-f&$k award.

I get it. We are a captive audience, willing to pay. So drop the act and when questioned on why fees and sub fees and alternate fees and this or that is raised..just say ?because we can, and because you know you will pay?
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-03-19 AT 08:01PM (MST)[p]
Purty close Katoom! I look for there to be point "fees" for the rest of the species in a year or two. They're not just gonna cut the hind leg off that fat hog!

Used to be I had to front near a thousand dollars to apply for seven species in Colorado as a resident. I'd get most of it back in June. Won't be long and It'll be a thousand dollars and I won't get any of it back, and It'll still only come with a couple tags!

But isn't it great that we dont have to front the cost of the tag anymore? SMFH

#livelikezac
 
I was just reflecting.... over 21 years I have applied to CO alone at least 63 times. I have drawn exactly TWO licences in that time and hunted OTC another 4 or 5 times. I have extracted exactly 1 elk, 1 antelope, and 1 deer, which at resident rates for the animals is say a couple hundred bucks, tops. I have spent THOUSANDS in the draws on points, fees, and of course the NR licences I did buy. And some more money spent in-state on the relatively few physical visits. So yeah, I chafe at the very notion that I have not ?contributed? to wildlife management in the state of CO. The reality is that CO and other western states RELY on the vast majority of the non-hunting applicants to pad their budget somehow. Where else did my monies go, otherwise?
 
They've found a way to turn it up a notch. They're not gonna run it in all at once, just a couple inches at a time!



#livelikezac
 
This is basically sticking it to those that hunt every year that didn't have to pay the point fee. For others that just got the deer point for $40 or bought a $56 small game license last year for all 3 species vs. $80 is not that much. This will likely hurt antelope odds more than anything and probably elk as well as many NR were just buying the $40 deer point and didn't know there was a work around to get all 3 for half what they thought it was ($120).
 
Yep, get em a couple free points then make it $50 a point for those points that used to be free.



#livelikezac
 
Theoretical Conversation once upon a time at DOW:

Boss: Hey, we need to raise revenue. Bread don't cost a nickle anymore!

Employee: I don't know if we can sell any more licences than we are without destroying the herd.

Boss: Well then we need to raise our licence fees.

Employee: But the folks will revolt sir.

Boss: Residents maybe, but non-residents don't have a vote. And they are all probably from New Jersey and Texas anyway. Snobs and cattle rustlers. Screw em.

Employee: Got it. I've run the new numbers. Our projections look good now, but only for a year or two.

Boss: Then what?

Employee: I dunno. We're limited by the number of people that can hunt, and are limited on how much more we can raise the fees on those that do.

Boss: Well think outside the box. It's what we pay ya for.

Employee: I mean, what do you want us to do - charge people exorbitant fees, who are not even going to hunt?

Boss: Keep talking....

Employee: And would they be willing to pay? Could we somehow convince them that years of fruitless applications and patience will ever amount to much? And could we force them to buy extra licences that they don't want and will never use and possibly inflate our "hunter numbers" and maybe even get some extra Federal coin?

Boss: You know, Hal, you might be onto something.... I am gonna recommend you for management.
 
Thanks guys. Surprised and not surprised about this.

And you are right. In 5 years if they aren't charging for elk/deer points again, I will eat my hat.

One additional question. If you don't apply, but just get an OTC tag, then you won't have to pay for the additional license? I will be retiring a few years and will switch from a rifle to bow so I can hunt more and my area is OTC. So at that point, I can just purchase an archery elk license and not the "money only" license? Can also start picking up a deer tag on the leftover list

Of course they will be "needing" more money by then and will change the rules again.

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
Tx hunter. Yes I think your correct. If you buy OTC you don't need the small game license . Primarily because you will then have the tag in hand already as your ? financial contribution ?
 
The Parks and Wildlife has really done a good job...????????

of making sure they get more money this year!

Even though I will make my normal license tag purchase for elk of almost $700, I have to buy an additional license (tax) just to apply. And mark my words: the point fee will be back for elk,deer, etc in the future

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 

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