Goodbye Colorado.

Longshot349

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After hunting Colorado for 49 years, I'm now officially done. There is a confluence of reasons, but among them are;
1. I cashed in my Pref points for all species and I'm not starting over again. It seems a lost cause.
2. The cost has become burdensome and no longer fits my budget. I've grown tired of the increasing app fees and license fees.
3. The last several over the counter hunts I've done did not have much quality to them. Not alot of animals, younger class of animals, or private land border issues that made the hunts less than desirable to me.
4. Lastly, I'm getting older and have about done it all anyway. Maybe it is somebody else's turn. I have two grandsons and it makes me sick that they not only won't have the opportunities I've had, they probably wont have any opportunity at all! They are already picking other hobbies now. One is into fishing which is much less complicated than big game hunting and has many more opportunities. The other grandson is into bow hunting our home state which has many opportunities for that. But going west each fall like I've done for over 40 years is now over.

On one hand, I'm incredibly sad, but on the other hand, I feel a sense of relief for not having to deal with the rat race of preparation, regulations, and all that junk.

I stand in salute to Colorado which has been my 2nd home and provided a lifetime of memories, photos, and lined my home with trophies. But Colorado is a hollow shell of what it once was in my opinion. The infusion of liberals from out of state, the loss of habitat, the complex regulations, the politics, the big money that has taken over the sport, all of it makes me sick.

I'm old enough to remember deer herds as far as the eye could see, and elk camps where you'd seldom see another hunter or hear a gunshot. Landowners who use to share a beer with you, then open the gate for you. I remember game wardens stopping by our camp to ask if we'd like to purchase additional tags ! Can you imagine such today?

Anyway, Colorado will always bring warm memories to my mind, and I'll likely still visit and maybe ride an ATV around, and point my camera instead of my rifle. So to all you guys who are sorting through regulations and counting point creep, good luck my friends. But I'm glad to be on the sidelines. :) Some of you reading this will say, "good riddance and one less out of state hunter to deal with."

Best of luck to ya'll. :)
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-18-19 AT 03:46PM (MST)[p]Longshot, you said a mouthful. Thanks for spending your big game career in the Centennial state. Glad you will return for other appreciations.


I have a request. Speak and vote on behalf of the spectacular variety of public lands in CO. All the complications you addressed have come because CO has such a wealth of opportunities, on a broad map of public lands. Of course CO is popular, crowded, overcomplex in regulations, disappointing to some.


Take that popularity and multiply it times the increasing population of this country. More hunters, more able to travel or move here, seeing far better publicity and information, using better technology that eases many aspects of a difficult and complicated endeavor, hunting big game on public lands.


When you recall the good old days, please remember that right now will become the good old days for greenhorns and newbies. When you were one of those young hunters, there were old timers saying that the golden age of their hunting youth was over. Happily for you and me, the wild lands of CO were ample enough and awesome enough to host the changing faces and times of hunting. When my wife looks @ my hunting photos from over the decades, she says, "Same guys, different trucks." What she leaves out is the same campfire rings, meat poles sagging or empty; soaring peaks, oceans of golden aspen, dark spruce and beetle kill. The creeks still rush and freeze, the sage still hides all but the tallest antlers, steaming bugles still burst from tawny bulls in frosted meadows, just before the sun hits.


If a guy hunts enough years, he recognizes the constancy of wildlands, especially compared to the chaotic changes that humans demand. That calls us back, year after year. That is what we treasure, and must fight to preserve. There is not an app for that.
 
Very true. I've watched it deplete just in my short 27 years now. I'm not a fan what so whatever of what this state has become and I'm a 4th generation native. I plan on leaving myself for a more red infused state with a more reasonable cost of living. This could very well be my last fall hunting it as a resident.

Coloradoboy
 
Longshot it sounds like you had a great time in CO, despite the grievances. Everything changes and hunting in CO is definetly not the same as it was when i started in CO just 13 years ago.

The dilemma of quality vs opportunity and all that money brings and detracts from hunting will continue to alter the landscape for everyone involved. I detest the insta-facers and long range blasters but i just do what i do and try not to get caught up in the negativity.

The points systems are constantly changing and for nonresidents - it looks like its about over for everyone but the richest. I ve been encouraging my brother and nephew to apply for points until they are ready for the hunt but looks like they wont be doing that in the future. They are coming out for spring turkey this year, maybe they ll get the bug and decide its worth the investment. I sure hope so!

Anyway, you will be back to enjoy Colorado's beauty, which is what drew you here in the first place. Enjoy your hunts aand grandkids - wherever you happen to be!
 
Well, Longshot, I am a resident and have hunted Colorado since 1965, and I am feeling the same way you are. Back in the 70's we could bowhunt for elk in the Flattops, never see another hunter, and have elk sharing camp with us. Nobody drove ATV,s all over the place, and most guys used Army surplus camo if any at all. Seems like everyone these days claims to be a pro-staffer for real expensive designer hunting clothes. All these different seasons and seperate units and preference points and fees and regulations are too much for me anymore. Sadly, most states are similar. Back East and Down South are starting to look better than the West!
 
All of the above are good responses and I can relate to everything said. It does seem like somewhere along the way, the sport of hunting did get off track for the average guy. When I started in this sport, leaky boots, 2 wheel drive pickups, and binoculars that fog over were just part of the game. You just brought extra socks, and tire chains and did the best you could. And you better dam well know how to stalk within 300 yards, or you'll probably miss that elk!

Now days, we got guns that shoot 1400 yards, clothing that lets you hunt in a blizzard, and 4x4 six seat quads that will climb a friggin tree and run 70 mph.

In alot of ways, I feel sorry for the elk. The commercialized world of hunting has rolled over them. I used to wait by the mailbox for my Outdoor Life magazine to read Jack O'Conner, or Craig Boddington. But nowadays we got seven TV channels that run 24/7 with wall to wall hunting shows. They feature elk hunts that run 10 thousand dollars, and sheep hunts that run, well, hell, you don't even want to know how much !

It's got out of hand -- badly as a matter of fact. But the reality is, there ain't nothing can be done about it. It's mainly supply and demand for soft terdy-ass city boys making 100+ thousand a year and wanting to drive out and shoot a big un' on day 2.

It sounds like I'm complaining, but I'm really not. Well, maybe I am a little bit. :)?. But God has been so good to me and allowed me to see things that so many other Americans never see. I'm just very thankful for all the good times and I'm sad that I cant pass more of it on.
 
Well hopefully you got what you were after at least some of the time ! I agree with all you've said , I ditched that state years ago , it's a shame the direction a lot of the hunting world is headed. My kids will have it pretty bad when they reach my age , and their kids , well I don't think will have a chance. My wife argues that I am negative about the future but I call it reality , truth is it's all on a down hill slide ..........
 
Sad post, but reality. Words of wisdom and wonderful experiences! Thanks for posting and God bless. Eloquent message.
The Randy Newbergs and pro staffers with flat bills are killing this place. Sharing points and posting OnX spots - hard to compete.
I wish you well sir!
 
Wow,
If Cboy is thinking of bailing, then things are even worse than I thought!

There's no question that the front range politics are now running the show. That's sad since Western Colorado is probably the best mountain wildlife habitat in the country.

I'd say you CO residents fix this and vote Cboy in for governer! :)
 
Put, there is no point sharing in Colorado.

I'm reminded of listening to my uncles opine for the old days when I was younger. Fact is I never knew those days. I killed all the squirrels I wanted growin up, 2-7 deer a year depending on my luck. Hell the season was closed in 71 when I was 4yrs old, how good was it really? What they mostly meant was the lack of pheasants and free reign of any farm in the morning they called on the night before. But I didnt know those days, so to me, my younger days were the good old days. Same as these days will be the good old days to your children. I've got no complaints about these days really. Last fall I had 2 elk tags, 2 deer tags, and 2 antelope tags, all in Colorado and filled 5 of 6. I could kill Canadian geese until I'm plumb sick of em if I wanted. The likelyhood of drawing the big 3 seem to go down each year but they were never guaranteed. It gets more expensive each year and that troubling trend seems to be accelerating. The woods seem more crowded than 20yrs ago but I keep reading about low hunter recruitment and aging hunters hanging it up at a rapid pace. Maybe those kids that are takein it up will have more tags, less competition and bigger bucks and bulls, good ole days like they hear their grandads talk about. Maybe they'll have it better than we ever did.



#livelikezac
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-19-19 AT 06:38AM (MST)[p]>Wow,
>If Cboy is thinking of bailing,
>then things are even worse
>than I thought!
>
>There's no question that the front
>range politics are now running
>the show. That's sad
>since Western Colorado is probably
>the best mountain wildlife habitat
>in the country.
>
>I'd say you CO residents fix
>this and vote Cboy in
>for governer! :)


I don't think I'm cut out to be a politician nor do I want to ever be one. Besides we already got our gay, progressive, ?green thinking? governor this past election. If you think it's just the front range youre wrong. Eagle and Gunnison counties for instance are chock full of liberals and these counties will be voting majority blue until the end of time it seems.

Coloradoboy
 
Maybe
>those kids that are takein
>it up will have more
>tags, less competition and bigger
>bucks and bulls, good ole
>days like they hear their
>grandads talk about. Maybe they'll
>have it better than we
>ever did.
>

LOL, DW, I admire your optimism. I wish for the same things, but that's living in fantasy land. Granted, most elk herds are doing pretty well, but Public land Big Game hunting in the west will never be what it once was. And opportunity is downright dismal compared to what it once was.... I will however say that in some places in the Midwest, deer hunting is better than it's ever been in history. I'm in Missouri and our deer hunting is nothing short of phenomenal. I can get unlimited tags and we are seeing bigger bucks than ever before. The heyday is NOW....

But even the hayday has a dark side... More and more Missouri landowners are cashing in and making big money from it. Unless you have kin-folks or a deep bank account, don't bother looking in Missouri for hunting private land, cause it ain't gonna happen. That's why so many young people are leaving the sport in droves.

Yep, we got some great deer here, but for out of staters, getting permission to hunt them is a tough deal.
 
>Put, there is no point sharing
>in Colorado
>
>
>
>#livelikezac

Thanks D I'm well aware that we don't share here in CO. I just can't stand Fresh Tracks Randy.
 
Hell the season was
>closed in 71 when I
>was 4yrs old, how good
>was it really?

I cant remember the season ever being closed. Perhaps it was in some areas, I dunno. I spent much of the 70's hunting from Peeance creek around Rifle to the Crawford/Paonia area and I can say without a doubt it was a cottonpick'in deer factory. I have never in my life seen as many BIG bucks as during that time. There were alot of 5 year old and older bucks running around then.

Here's a 32 incher I killed then and nobody even gave it a second look.
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I'm sure glad I got to do it all these years.
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-19-19 AT 08:25PM (MST)[p]> Hell the season was
>>closed in 71 when I
>>was 4yrs old, how good
>>was it really?

>I cant remember the season ever
>being closed. Perhaps it was
>in some areas, I dunno.
>I spent much of the
>70's hunting from Peeance creek
>around Rifle to the Crawford/Paonia
>area and I can say
>without a doubt it was
>a cottonpick'in deer factory. I
>have never in my life
>seen as many BIG bucks
>as during that time. There
>were alot of 5 year
>old and older bucks running
>around then.
>
>Here's a 32 incher I killed
>then and nobody even gave
>it a second look.
aagP6aD.jpg

>
>
>I'm sure glad I got to
>do it all these years.
>

I grew up in Minnesota longshot. Back there the season was closed in 71. How was the deer huntin in Missouri in 71? 30yrs after that 71 closure guys could buy 5 tags. It's a roller coaster.

In the 90's they had us shootin 2 does apiece in December in that basin you killed that buck in. Sure that didnt do the population any favors. Although those does had age on em and that was the reason for 2 tags, to clean out old unproductive does and lower the population.

#livelikezac
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-19-19 AT 08:37PM (MST)[p]> Hell the season was
>>closed in 71 when I
>>was 4yrs old, how good
>>was it really?
>
>Forget whitetails: the record holding mule deer scored a 226 4/8, handily trumping the 213 5/8 score that rules Boone and Crockett's typical whitetail record. Taken by a Texan named Doug Burris, Jr. on a 1972 hunting trip to Proven Canyon in Colorado, this is a buck that reiterates - for the millionth time - the importance of patience and perseverance in the deer hunting sport. Burris and his buddies typically took annual hunting trips to Colorado, but they weren't all that serious about it. Legend has it that the group treated their vacation time as a "poor boy" hunting trip, sharing all of their gear and just having a good time. Still, despite the "just for fun" nature of the trip, Burris still passed on a dozen or so bucks in search of "the one."

His patience paid off when this monster wandered into his sights. With a single well-placed shot, Burris made the buck his. After bringing the buck back home to San Antonio, Burris took it to his taxidermist, who measured it and scored it on the Boone and Crockett scale. It took a few months, but eventually, Burris's buck was crowned as the biggest typical deer of all time - a title that the antler spread still holds with commanding grace to this day.

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>I grew up in Minnesota longshot.
>Back there the season was
>closed in 71.

Ahhhh, Minnesota - that makes more sense now. Thanks for clarifying.
 
Dang - that's a big 'un Elkduds!

Here's a few more pics from the 70's...

My Dad with a nice bull and I was lucky enough to be with him when he shot it.
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That is a special, wonderful set of pics. Those big bucks by the tent are dandies. Thanks for posting those, really takes me back.
 
Yup Cboy,
I really didn't take you as a politician either. Most of us hunters aren't much for crowds and few of us are cut from a politicians cloth. Thus, we are poorly represented.
The blue plague you speak of is spreading everywhere. Even up in BC the liberals of Vancouver are running the West Canadian show, shutting down griz hunting and the like. I'm afraid there aren't many places left to avoid it.
I guess most of us just need to stand our ground and make the best of it.

But if you leave CO, what will you do with your MM handle??? :) :) :D
 
>The blue plague you speak of
>is spreading everywhere.

That blue plague is way worse than Chronic Wasting disease ever though of being. :)
 
Long349
I hear ya, I gave up a couple years ago after my last deer hunt to Colorado for basically the same reasons you have outlined.
Smokepole
 
>Yup Cboy,
>I really didn't take you as
>a politician either. Most
>of us hunters aren't much
>for crowds and few of
>us are cut from a
>politicians cloth. Thus, we
>are poorly represented.
>The blue plague you speak of
>is spreading everywhere. Even
>up in BC the liberals
>of Vancouver are running the
>West Canadian show, shutting down
>griz hunting and the like.
> I'm afraid there aren't
>many places left to avoid
>it.
>I guess most of us just
>need to stand our ground
>and make the best of
>it.
>
>But if you leave CO, what
>will you do with your
>MM handle??? :) :)
>:D


My roots and blood will always be a Coloradoboy so nothing will change there. In this day in age my wife and I are some of the very few multi-generation natives left in this state (both our family?s homesteaded here in the late 1800?s) however the state is far from what it used to as far those of us who've lived here for over 20 years. Majority of the front range are transplants from California, the east coast, Minnesota, Michigan and so forth. Thus their values and voting habits have trumped the little guys in western slope and eastern plains. Much like what has happened to Oregon with Portland area. I wish I could go back and see the glory days my dad, uncles and grandpas grew up hunting muleys in. It would probably shock me how many 180 inch plus deer they have between all of them dating back to the 60s. My dad tells me stories about buying unit 44 deer tags at the gas station in gypsum the day before season. He killed 2 bucks over 220 off those tags back in the 80s. I've really only witnessed the tail end of the good ol days of mule deer in Colorado when my hunting career first started. This was my first buck I ever killed in unit 22 back when we lived in meeker. This was the third biggest buck I saw that day. He just was the first one rutted up and dumb enough to let a 12 year old kid crack him with his dads old 25-06.


http://www.monstermuleys.info/photos/user_photos_2019/82106adbd0b6c40d14bd38240f7f092355f6a.jpeg
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-21-19 AT 07:10AM (MST)[p]As someone who has hunted Colorado for over 25 years, I hear a lot of truth in your post. Especially about the fees. I can pretty much afford anything they charge but have had some friends get priced out. I understand that hunting big game is not cheap but the ever increasing new fees and increases on existing just continue to pile up and pile on.

Here is an example of something similar. Every time I rent a car at an airport I see red. Many times the add on taxes and fees are 35% of the car rental fee! How do they get away with this?. Same way game depts do with NRs: we have no vote, and if we fly we don't have much choice.

Hope you keep ? hunting? if only with your eyes and a camera. And as I do , I bet you still enjoy helping kids hunt! And please hang around here. You have a wealth of knowledge to share. For every Troll, there are 99 guys that actually have something to add to a conversation.

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
I couldn't agree with you more! I am 43 years old and have thousands of dollars in points all over the west, but the continued loss of Mule Deer numbers everywhere has made me stop wanting to hunt.

You are so right the loss of habitat, Hwys, roads, fences, predators, hunting, ect.... spell disaster for the future of this great animal.

I live in Oregon and Coloradoboy is right our state is run by liberals and our deer numbers are in the toilet. In my kids lifetime they may be extinct in some areas and units.

Congrats to the time you had just tell your grand kids the age old stories "Of how things use to be"
 
I hear you Longshot349, and I understand your feelings. I made my first Elk hunt in 1973 and my "last" in 2017, tearfully retiring from Colorado hunting at age 73. Well, it did not stick because I hunted again last year and have plans to hunt again this year. I hunt with my Son and we made our first Western hunt together in 1986. As long as I can still put one foot in front of the other, I ain't quitting.
 

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