What can I draw with 10 AZ elk points?

sheephunter · Nov 28, 2014

Got 10 pts for AZ elk. What could I realistically expect to draw for next fall? I will gain a loyalty point so I'd have 12 total in 2016. Any ideas appreciated. Thanks

cmbbulldog · Nov 28, 2014

You can draw a lot.

Do you hunt archery? Resident or NR? What do you want in a hunt?

sheephunter · Nov 28, 2014

LAST EDITED ON Nov-28-14 AT 07:35AM (MST)[p]Non Resident. Archery, Muzzy, rifle. I hunt them all. Just trying to figure it out since I'll probably only be able to do this once realistically. Archery is probably the best time to hunt I would guess but open to ideas for sure.

sheephunter · Nov 28, 2014

Dunno If I've got enough points for an early muzzy. Wouldn't want to do the late one.

cmbbulldog · Nov 28, 2014

I would do an archery hunt then. 2 week season during the middle of the rut... You could draw a lot of good units.

Tough to beat an archery elk hunt in az with the combination of rut, weather, trophy potential, terrain.

cmbbulldog · Nov 28, 2014

I would have to look closer at the odds data, but you should be close to or have enough points to look into unit 1, 27, 8, 7, 5b and a few others.

ElmerFudd · Nov 28, 2014

If you are nonresident, you might seriously want to try to draw in 2015 rather than wait for something you are close to. They are changing it in 2016 so that only half the nonresident quota will go in the max points round. That will increase nonresident wait on getting a max point tag, but make it slightly possible to get any hunt at any point level.

sheephunter · Nov 28, 2014

Good info to know guys. Thanks.

WapitiBob · Nov 28, 2014

You have no chance at 1, 8, 27 with 10 points.

cmbbulldog · Nov 28, 2014

>You have no chance at 1,
>8, 27 with 10 points.
>

But what about 12?

Bwht4x4 · Nov 28, 2014

In 2014 for the early archery hunts in unit 1 and 27 here were the minimum points folks had in the 20% bonus pass.

For unit 1 - 20 out of 74 1st and 2nd applicants with 11 points drew tags

For unit 27 - 14 out of 52 1st and 2nd applicants with 10 points drew tags

Below is the link to the bonus point pass for 2014. Refer to hunt # 3118 for unit 1 and hunt # 3141 for unit 27 for the archery elk hunts.

http://www.azgfd.gov/eservices/docu... Point Report - Bonus Pass by Hunt Number.pdf

The take away is that with 10 points this year an applicant could have possibly drawn an archery tag in unit 27, but not in unit 1.

WapitiBob · Nov 28, 2014

LAST EDITED ON Nov-28-14 AT 09:51PM (MST)[p] The unit 27 NR cap was filled in the 11 point pool.

I did incorrectly have unit 8 in the mix. You should draw 8 as a NR with 10 points.
We'll know more in mid February when the new report comes out. It will split res/nr on a per point, per hunt basis. The unknown going into the 2015 draw ,is whether public discussion of the proposed 2016 changes will bring mid point guys to apply.

sheephunter · Nov 29, 2014

LAST EDITED ON Nov-29-14 AT 08:10AM (MST)[p]Thanks for the intel. I can't seem to draw a tag in Arizona to save my life. Looks like G&F is recommending cutting Unit 8 archery tags from 200 to 150 Ouch.

CAelknuts · Nov 29, 2014

LAST EDITED ON Nov-29-14 AT 07:45PM (MST)[p]My son drew his early muzzleloader tag with 12 points. I posted a thread about it under the elk forum right around the end of September or beginning of October. He had a great hunt and took a very nice bull in a "2nd tier unit".

EDIT: Here's the link to that story if you'd care to check it out. http://www.monstermuleys.info/dcforum/DCForumID12/16009.html#.VHqD_6N0wT4

Bwht4x4 · Nov 29, 2014

>LAST EDITED ON Nov-28-14
>AT 09:51?PM (MST)
>
> The unit 27 NR cap
>was filled in the 11
>point pool.
>
>I did incorrectly have unit 8
>in the mix. You should
>draw 8 as a NR
>with 10 points.
>We'll know more in mid February
>when the new report comes
>out. It will split res/nr
>on a per point, per
>hunt basis. The unknown going
>into the 2015 draw ,is
>whether public discussion of the
>proposed 2016 changes will bring
>mid point guys to apply.
>

WB,

You must have requested data from the AZGFD because their data online doesn't break the numbers down to NR v Res. I can't wait to see what the NR vs Res data looks like when it comes out.

TipMOver · Nov 30, 2014

LAST EDITED ON Nov-30-14 AT 09:29PM (MST)[p]

WapitiBob · Dec 1, 2014

Well done CA.

Zim · Dec 3, 2014

>If you are nonresident, you might
>seriously want to try to
>draw in 2015 rather than
>wait for something you are
>close to. They are changing
>it in 2016 so that
>only half the nonresident quota
>will go in the max
>points round. That will increase
>nonresident wait on getting a
>max point tag, but make
>it slightly possible to get
>any hunt at any point
>level.

Crossing fingers we can draw unit 1 with 12. Anyone know if the 2nd 50% will be straight random or weighed by points? Either way sucks if we fail.

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WapitiBob · Dec 3, 2014

Bonus Points = weighted

Zim · Dec 7, 2014

>Bonus Points = weighted

OK well that would reduce the sting. Many states don't do that.

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