Changes to AZ Drawing

GoldToyBox · Jan 30, 2015

On some the other threads I seem some mention of "changes in 2016" to the draw.
Can someone elaborate?
What changes?
How will it effect residents and non residents?

Happy new year and may 2015 be full of health, prosperity and limited entry tags!

Zim · Jan 30, 2015

>On some the other threads I
>seem some mention of "changes
>in 2016" to the draw.
>
>Can someone elaborate?
>What changes?
>How will it effect residents and
>non residents?
>
>
>
>
>Happy new year and may 2015
>be full of health, prosperity
>and limited entry tags!

Pretty simple. Same as all the other states with point systems do. They are screwing all those that spent years accumulating points in order to get more fresh blood to apply on the ground floor. That's about all you need to know.

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DonMartin · Jan 30, 2015

As I have written in other places, the AZ G&F Dept is PROPOSING to change the bonus point cap for NR to a different allocation.

Right now, the cap is 10% for ALL hunts, except javelina and antlerless elk. Those are usually got by those NR's who have the max bonus points.

G&F is proposing that 5% of the tags go to those with the highest bonus points, while 5% be put into the GENERAL draw.

The idea is that NR's will then be able to get PREMIUM tags.

The Department and Commission are still seeking comment from the public, both resident and non-residents alike.

G&F says this is a result of NR's asking for the change.

Suggest you weigh in on this IF you're concerned.

Nothing is written in stone right now. The Commission could leave it as it is, change the percentages, etc. But something is probably gonna happen at the April meeting, one way or the other.

Send your letters to AZ G&F Department, 5000 West Carefree Highway, Phoenix, AZ 85086.

Don Martin

BRUIN4L · Jan 31, 2015

How about GUARANTEEING those 10% of tags to the NR's!

BUTCH · Jan 31, 2015

The whole damn system needs changed somehow! Being able to hunt Elk MAYBE once possibly twice every 10 years or so is absolutely ridiculous. The number of Non Resident tags need to be decreased at least by 5%, if that's not an option than the NR Elk tag should be a minimum of $5,000 and for our premium units $10,000. The NR's are wanting a change, well a financial change makes the most sense. I realize this may piss a few folks off but after being rejected year after year I become more and more bitter.

accumark · Jan 31, 2015

you butch need to check yourself. if you are not happy freekin move to another state as nobody likes you. your options are insane and ridiculous. you are really messed up in the head if you are that much against non residents. I will only help you move out of state because people like you are messed up and contribute nothing.

accumark · Jan 31, 2015

all I can say to butch is that he is a guy who I would never like to meet or hunt with. selfish arrogant city guy

BUTCH · Jan 31, 2015

Accumark, I take it your a NR. I'm not against NR's, I'm just sick of your group bitching about wanting more of our tags. By your reply I take it your just a young fella. If your group is proposing ideas to the G&F to help you out so what's wrong the group I belong, to submit a proposal to increase tag fees to NR's. Also Mark there's a damn good chance that I contribute a helluava lot more to the great outdoors than you do!! Enjoy

scentpost · Jan 31, 2015

Hey Don,

I'm pretty sure they have the 10% cap on javalina. I applied for general unit 18B as a non resident and did not get drawn despite the fact that the unit did not fill. There was 94 tags remaining after the draw. I had to pay the application fee again and finally got a tag on the first come first serve. That would be a great deal to fix, if the unit has remaining tags then lift the 10% cap!

WapitiBob · Jan 31, 2015

LAST EDITED ON Jan-31-15 AT 08:27PM (MST)[p]If a resident can't draw an Elk tag more than once in 10 years, it's a you problem.

10% cap includes Javi.

BRUIN4L · Jan 31, 2015

>Accumark, I take it your a
>NR. I'm not against NR's,
>I'm just sick of your
>group bitching about wanting more
>of our tags. By your
>reply I take it your
>just a young fella. If
>your group is proposing ideas
>to the G&F to help
>you out so what's wrong
>the group I belong, to
>submit a proposal to increase
>tag fees to NR's. Also
>Mark there's a damn good
>chance that I contribute a
>helluava lot more to the
>great outdoors than you do!!
> Enjoy

Nobody is asking for more tags genius.I understand that residents should get the lions share but the state should dedicate the 10% of the tags for Non Res. We do pay a LARGE part of your Game & Fish budget and are happy to do it as long as we are not getting shafted. Everyone wants an equitable playing field. Even if you excluded Non Res you would have a tough time drawing the coveted tags.

azhntr · Feb 1, 2015

Butch is spot on!!! I've never believed in letting the non residents in but they are here to stay. Lowering the quota to 5% is what we need.

BeDawg · Feb 1, 2015

I take it you AZ homebodies have never ventured out of your state. I am a NR and would for a fact stop contributing to AZ if the NR only got 5%. The complainers would still complain because they still wouldn't be hunting premier units but 1/10 or so years.

huntazido · Feb 1, 2015

Don't clump all of AZ residents together as non-resident haters. I have no problem with non-residents and I rarely ever hear anyone complain about them. Most realize the money they have to cough and have such limited draw odds.

For a state with limited elk and a large, growing population of people, I believe 10% is very fair. I'm not sure about making it a guarantee though. What guarantees are there in life?

If you have ideas or suggestions please write G&F and let them know. Too many complainers and rarely enough people that actually affect change.

Good Luck

BUTCH · Feb 1, 2015

RE: Changes to AZ Drawingn

By all means, I'm not a NR hater! They just happen to make a lot of noise when it comes to acquiring big game tags. So BeDawg I do submit applications every year for NM, CO, UT and NV with no success and never ##### about it. I accept the fact that residents from those states come first. And BRUIN4L why should the state set aside 10% for NR's? If you lived in AZ perhaps your thoughts would change to letting them have 5%, and bumping the fees up dramatically, which we are in the process of trying to do. This is just my opinion, coming from a selfish arrogant city guy that farms, ranches and hunts off horseback, no road hunting like ACCUMARK does. Enjoy

BRUIN4L · Feb 1, 2015

RE: Changes to AZ Drawingn

>By all means, I'm not a
>NR hater! They just happen
>to make a lot of
>noise when it comes to
>acquiring big game tags. So
>BeDawg I do submit applications
>every year for NM, CO,
>UT and NV with
>no success and never #####
>about it. I accept the
>fact that residents from those
>states come first. And BRUIN4L
>why should the state set
>aside 10% for NR's? If
>you lived in AZ perhaps
>your thoughts would change to
>letting them have 5%, and
>bumping the fees up dramatically,
>which we are in the
>process of trying to do.
>This is just my opinion,
>coming from a selfish arrogant
>city guy that farms, ranches
>and hunts off horseback, no
>road hunting like ACCUMARK does.
>Enjoy

I guess all those other states you apply for shouldn't let in NR's either SMH.

BUTCH · Feb 1, 2015

RE: Changes to AZ Drawingn

I'm not asking to eliminate NR's, What I would really like to see is my state AZ, along with all the other states bump the NR tag fees up to a minimum of 5 grand. We are working hard behind the scenes to get this introduced. If that's what I have to pay to hunt in another state than I'd be happy to pay that.

BRUIN4L · Feb 1, 2015

RE: Changes to AZ Drawingn

>I'm not asking to eliminate NR's,
>What I would really like
>to see is my state
>AZ, along with all the
>other states bump the NR
>tag fees up to a
>minimum of 5 grand. We
>are working hard behind the
>scenes to get this introduced.
>If that's what I have
>to pay to hunt in
>another state than I'd be
>happy to pay that.

Sounds like a good plan to keep the hunting heritage alive and well. I'm glad deep and forward thinking people such as yourself are on the case.

BeDawg · Feb 1, 2015

RE: Changes to AZ Drawingn

Weird comment about paying 5000 to hunt another state. This statement is erroneous. If you are forking over $5000 to hunt another state than you are only hunting private property. Hell, the most expensive sheep tags for a NR are between 1-2 grand if you are fortunate enough to draw. That is why I do not put in for them.

Butch I don't know if you are trying to stir the pot or if you are really that different than the hunting community at large. Although I celebrate diversity, the price I paid to hunt mule deer in Colorado DIY was the same you would pay and far cheaper than $5000. Tag was around 300 and bonus points were less than $50 bucks the last 2 years I applied.

I think all states out West including my State of Utah should give out 20% of tags to NR and make the price more economical for those who want to hunt. Pricing people out so only the rich and privileged can hunt is not what the majority of us stand for.

Robiland · Feb 2, 2015

BUTCH, 5 grand for an elk tag? Really? If that passes I WILL GUARANTEE that I will not ever come to AZ. But I know you dont care. I am sure that if that happened, your tag fees will increase greatly. The $ lost by out licence fees and app fees will cost you guys dearly. 10% is not really that much at all. I want to hunt as much as the next person, but if you price out NR, then eventually every state will do that and you wont be able to hunt anywhere but your own, unless you are rich. And I see this happening. We are getting closer and closer to the rich hunt, and the average Joe sits home.

Butch, Dont come to Utah please. We have enough Dbags here.

caelkhnter · Feb 2, 2015

Butch

Yes I am currently a Nonresident. I was raised in AZ, own a cabin outside of Flagstaff and will someday retire in Az.

Anyway I think your analysis is very short sided. You want to eliminate nonres hunters from the state. How much would that cost the Game & Fish?

Think about it. 10% of the tag is not that many in the overall scheme of things. Having an additional 10% of the tags would probably not substantially incre4ase your draw odds.

Now the revenue side, having a chance to get an Elk tag in Az results in a large number of nonresidents applying, year after year. to get the points year after year the nonresidents must purchase a nonresident license. For every 1,000 nonresidents who purchase a license to apply and gain a bonus point the Game & Fish get $160,000. How many applications does the Game & Fish get from nonresidents each year? I suspect it is more than a few thousand. The fact is the cost of the tag is not what generates the large sums for the Game & Fish, it is the license fees for all those people who unsuccessfully try, year after year, to draw a tag.

If you raised the tag fee to $5000 only the rich nonresidents would apply. I suspect that would cost the Game & Fish hundreds of thousands of dollars in lost revenues each year.

couesmagnet · Feb 2, 2015

I think that resident fees are way to cheap and I'm a resident myself. Non resident fees are high enough already but the resident fees are ridiculously cheap. Everyone I run into in the woods nowadays has super expensive gear with them in the field and would literally push their grandma of a cliff to get a tag but the prices don't reflect the need and want for the tags. I am by no means wealthy in any way shape or form and even I would be willing to pay double what the tags cost now. I would be willing to bet most guys on here's binos cost more than 10 resident elk tags would cost. Raise resident tags to help for this supposedly needed money that out agencies need. I'm confused about the heritage fund though, I thought the g and f ha 25 million plus in the fund , but somehow that money never gets talked about. If residents get 90 percent I the tags they should pay 90 percent of the cost burden. I would be fine with a 10 percent increase on tag fees every year and I can't afford much.

quest · Feb 2, 2015

It's hard to believe we're talking about cutting tags for NRs and price increases. It seams like a trend lately first it was WY now it's AZ. I don't get it? All this just hurts hunting as a whole. It's all about money or there are a few who don't care about others and want to cut in front of the line.

WapitiBob · Feb 2, 2015

They're not raising nr prices, nor are they cutting nr tags.

hornguy · Feb 3, 2015

I agree except to give more NR tags out. Try 19 years plus for one hunt and pay the extra tag fee. Realize this might piss some people off but don't fund Az G&F off the NR backs. Everyone is a NR somewhere. Yes I do know what it is like, try Colorado and Utah for repeated not successful notices. Come to Idaho were we can hunt elk every year, but not the quality of AZ.

BUTCH · Feb 3, 2015

Good luck all in the upcoming draw, yes even you NR's?.

CraigS · Feb 5, 2015

LAST EDITED ON Feb-05-15 AT 05:54PM (MST)[p]Non-Residents only get up to 10% of tags currently.

Many hunts don't hit the UP TO 10%. I know because I purchased the list of 10,000 names for 4 years, which included all of the successful hunt applicants for the top hunts and only about 6-8% of the tags went to Non-residents.

Yes, any of the elite hunts (unit 9, 10 & 23 etc...) will hit the 10%, but if the rule is changed they may not.

Raising PRICES on the non-residents for the sake of raising prices, is an ignorant and poorly thought out statement. Personally, I am a non-resident in 49 other states and a resident in 1. I apply for 4 other states, because I realize if I want quality hunts they are LIMITED resources, so I had to stop complaining and start applying.

I feel residents in my home state of Arizona have plenty of opportunity, but the reality is... we ONLY have X amount of top units and hunts.

Best,
Craig Steele