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May-22-16, 
09:34 PM (MST)
"strip or Kiabab for deer"

Putting in with 14 pts, Would love to here your thoughts on Putting in for the strip (13 a or 13 b) or 12aw late. feels like I am never going to get pulled again.

I know 12a-w well & never set foot on the strip.

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 RE: strip or K...  tooele      May-22-16   1 
 RE: strip or K...  BRUIN4L      May-23-16   2 
  RE: strip or K...  300WBYMULES      May-24-16   3 
   RE: strip or K...  buckhorn      May-24-16   4 
    RE: strip or K...  BOHNTR      May-24-16   5 
 RE: strip or K...  jvgunner      May-25-16   6 
  RE: strip or K...  ruthunter      May-26-16   7 
   RE: strip or K...  CAelknuts      May-26-16   8 
    RE: strip or K...  buckhorn      May-26-16   9 
     RE: strip or K...  ruthunter      May-26-16   10 
      RE: strip or K...  DonMartin      May-26-16   11 
    RE: strip or K...  jvgunner      May-28-16   12 
 RE: strip or K...  jvgunner      Jun-02-16   13 
  RE: strip or K...  ruthunter      Jun-02-16   14 
   RE: strip or K...  buckhorn      Jun-02-16   15 
    RE: strip or K...  CAelknuts      Jun-03-16   16 
     RE: strip or K...  goldhunter      Jun-03-16   17 
      RE: strip or K...  ruthunter      Jun-03-16   18 
       RE: strip or K...  ruthunter      Jun-03-16   19 
   RE: strip or K...  jvgunner      Jun-06-16   25 
 RE: strip or K...  rockymtnhun...      Jun-03-16   20 
  RE: strip or K...  buckhorn      Jun-03-16   21 
   RE: strip or K...  BOHNTR      Jun-05-16   22 
    RE: strip or K...  cmbbulldog      Jun-05-16   23 
    RE: strip or K...  AZMIGHTYMUL...      Jun-06-16   24 
     RE: strip or K...  patxarano      Jun-05-17   30 
      RE: strip or K...  264mag      Jun-07-17   37 
  RE: strip or K...  jvgunner      Jun-06-16   26 
   RE: strip or K...  rockymtnhun...      Jun-07-16   27 
   RE: strip or K...  tph247      Jun-09-16   28 
    RE: strip or K...  BradA      Jun-05-17   31 
    RE: strip or K...  Joe2Kool      Jul-21-17   80 
 RE: strip or K...  jvgunner      Jun-03-17   29 
  RE: strip or K...  rockymtnhun...      Jun-06-17   32 
   RE: strip or K...  buckhorn      Jun-06-17   34 
   RE: strip or K...  buckhorn      Jun-06-17   35 
   RE: strip or K...  buckhorn      Jun-06-17   36 
  RE: strip or K...  buckhorn      Jun-06-17   33 
   RE: strip or K...  jvgunner      Jun-08-17   38 
    RE: strip or K...  buckhorn      Jun-10-17   39 
     RE: strip or K...  jvgunner      Jun-11-17   40 
      RE: strip or K...  Outdoordan      Jul-08-17   41 
       RE: strip or K...  rambopup4      Jul-08-17   42 
        RE: strip or K...  Bwht4x4      Jul-08-17   43 
         RE: strip or K...  Mbogo      Jul-08-17   44 
         RE: strip or K...  rambopup4      Jul-08-17   46 
          RE: strip or K...  Bwht4x4      Jul-08-17   50 
       RE: strip or K...  jvgunner      Jul-08-17   61 
 RE: strip or K...  oilcan      Jul-08-17   45 
  RE: strip or K...  rambopup4      Jul-08-17   47 
   RE: strip or K...  rambopup4      Jul-08-17   48 
    RE: strip or K...  264mag      Jul-08-17   49 
     RE: strip or K...  Bwht4x4      Jul-08-17   51 
      RE: strip or K...  rambopup4      Jul-08-17   54 
     RE: strip or K...  rambopup4      Jul-08-17   52 
      RE: strip or K...  264mag      Jul-08-17   53 
       RE: strip or K...  rambopup4      Jul-08-17   55 
        RE: strip or K...  CouesFanatic      Jul-08-17   56 
         RE: strip or K...  rambopup4      Jul-08-17   57 
          RE: strip or K...  Bwht4x4      Jul-08-17   58 
          RE: strip or K...  CouesFanatic      Jul-08-17   59 
           RE: strip or K...  azhuntin      Jul-08-17   60 
            RE: strip or K...  Outdoordan      Jul-09-17   62 
             RE: strip or K...  buckmster28      Jul-09-17   63 
              RE: strip or K...  Outdoordan      Jul-09-17   64 
               RE: strip or K...  HalfAce      Jul-09-17   65 
                RE: strip or K...  Outdoordan      Jul-09-17   66 
                 RE: strip or K...  rambopup4      Jul-10-17   67 
                 RE: strip or K...  rambopup4      Jul-17-17   68 
                  RE: strip or K...  Bwht4x4      Jul-17-17   69 
                   RE: strip or K...  DonMartin      Jul-17-17   70 
                    RE: strip or K...  rambopup4      Jul-17-17   71 
                     RE: strip or K...  Outdoordan      Jul-17-17   72 
                      RE: strip or K...  azhuntin      Jul-17-17   73 
                       RE: strip or K...  Outdoordan      Jul-17-17   74 
                        RE: strip or K...  SWINGBOW      Jul-17-17   75 
                         RE: strip or K...  Outdoordan      Jul-17-17   76 
                      RE: strip or K...  rambopup4      Jul-18-17   77 
                       RE: strip or K...  SWINGBOW      Jul-18-17   78 
                        RE: strip or K...  rambopup4      Jul-18-17   79 
                         RE: strip or K...  Bwht4x4      Aug-17-17   81 
 RE: strip or K...  buckhorn      Aug-17-17   82 
  RE: strip or K...  bonecollect...      Aug-18-17   83 
   RE: strip or K...  CAelknuts      Aug-21-17   84 
 RE: strip or K...  jvgunner      Mar-29-18   85 
  RE: strip or K...  Bwht4x4      Mar-30-18   86 
   RE: strip or K...  cmbbulldog      Mar-30-18   87 
   RE: strip or K...  jvgunner      Mar-30-18   88 
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    RE: strip or K...  jvgunner      Mar-31-18   91 
     RE: strip or K...  rambopup4      Mar-31-18   92 
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      RE: strip or K...  jvgunner      Apr-01-18   98 
       RE: strip or K...  Codylee1985      Apr-01-18   99 
        RE: strip or K...  rambopup4      Apr-01-18   101 
         RE: strip or K...  Bwht4x4      Apr-01-18   103 
          RE: strip or K...  rambopup4      Apr-01-18   104 
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          RE: strip or K...  rambopup4      Apr-02-18   111 
       RE: strip or K...  rambopup4      Apr-01-18   102 
        RE: strip or K...  jvgunner      Apr-01-18   106 
         RE: strip or K...  Tikka      Apr-01-18   107 
          RE: strip or K...  HalfAce      Apr-01-18   108 
           RE: strip or K...  rambopup4      Apr-02-18   110 
          RE: strip or K...  rambopup4      Apr-02-18   109 
           RE: strip or K...  CAelknuts      Apr-02-18   112 
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             RE: strip or K...  rambopup4      Apr-02-18   115 
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              RE: strip or K...  rambopup4      Apr-02-18   117 
               RE: strip or K...  Tikka      Apr-02-18   118 
                RE: strip or K...  bonecollect...      Apr-02-18   119 
                 RE: strip or K...  msolocam      Apr-02-18   120 
                 RE: strip or K...  rambopup4      Apr-03-18   122 
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                 RE: strip or K...  bonecollect...      Apr-03-18   123 
                  RE: strip or K...  CAelknuts      Apr-03-18   124 
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                    RE: strip or K...  rambopup4      Apr-03-18   128 
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                   RE: strip or K...  bonecollect...      Apr-03-18   132 
                    RE: strip or K...  rambopup4      Apr-04-18   133 
                     RE: strip or K...  Tikka      Apr-04-18   134 
                      RE: strip or K...  rambopup4      Apr-04-18   135 
                      RE: strip or K...  CAelknuts      Apr-04-18   136 
                       RE: strip or K...  Tikka      Apr-04-18   137 
                     RE: strip or K...  bonecollect...      Apr-04-18   138 
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tooele
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May-22-16, 
10:44 PM (MST)
1. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Most will tell you 13b for absolute best shot at a giant.
13a and 12aw late are pretty solid hunts. There are true giants in all three units. I don't think you could go wrong with any of those choices.
Where I think the difference is, is that with your lack of knowledge on 13b and 13a you would have to get a guide due to the sheer size of the unit and lack of deer in general. Where as in 12 a west with your knowledge of the unit you could probably do it yourself.
Have to decide how you want to hunt.

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BRUIN4L
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May-23-16, 
11:31 AM (MST)
2. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

I have hunted 13B twice. Once with a friend and once with a tag. It's a special place but what tooele is true. It is a tough DIY hunt. I ate my tag because I was too picky and it took some of the fun out of the hunt. If you want the strip look to invest a lot of time or money or both.

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300WBYMULES
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May-24-16, 
02:00 PM (MST)
3. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Kaibab for sure.

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buckhorn
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May-24-16, 
04:11 PM (MST)
4. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Kaibab would be a much better hunt for a huge buck. The strip is overrated and has way too many outfitters working there.

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May-24-16, 
09:41 PM (MST)
5. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

I disagree......if you are looking for a truly 'huge' buck.....you're better off hunting the Strip over the Kaibab. You could kill a 'nice' buck on either hunt.......but truly giant bucks of of years past have been scarce on the Bab' over the last 5 years.

I've bowhunted all three units...and have spent A LOT of time on the Bab'.....I'm saving my points for another chance at the Strip (when I become a resident). Just my .02

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jvgunner
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May-25-16, 
07:39 PM (MST)
6. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Thanks for the input. Leaning on going back to Kiabab on DIY hunt. I would show up at least 10 days early to get used to the place again.
Probably years away anyway.

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ruthunter
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May-26-16, 
07:49 AM (MST)
7. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

LAST EDITED ON May-26-16 AT 07:51 AM (MST)

LAST EDITED ON May-26-16 AT 07:49 AM (MST)

The strip is not overrated at all. It's truley a hunt of a lifetime IMO. I took a buck over 200" last year in 13b on the archery hunt. I would agree that a guide or some sort of scouting package is the way to go on the strip especially if you have never been there before. If I had your points id be all in on the strip.

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CAelknuts
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May-26-16, 
08:49 AM (MST)
8. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Since I had a 13a tag last year, I guess I'll chime in...

As a non-resident, I knew that hunting the strip on my own tag is almost surely a one time opportunity, and I'd never set foot in the unit, so I hired A3 to guide me. They were absolutely excellent hunters and it was a good decision. When I arrived, all the talk among the guides was about the Giants they were killing in 13B. A3 had 11 hunters in 13B who shot 10 bucks, nine of which grossed over 200", some way over 200". If you want to see some great bucks, check out their website and blog about the 2015 season, you'll be impressed.

My first morning, 45 minutes into the season, we had a big 4x4 broadside and in range for several minutes. I had a rock solid rest and all I needed to do was press the trigger and I'd have the biggest buck of my life. We discussed him, debated him and agreed that he was nearly 30" wide and would score 190-195". I decided to pass him up and we moved on. The next day we found a buck a bit bigger, maybe 31" and probably 200", maybe 205" tops. We focused my entire hunt on trying to kill that buck, unsuccessfully. In the end, a day after my paid hunt had ended, we found an old, downhill cull type buck and I decided to remove him from the gene pool. All in all, it was a fantastic hunt. Did I make a mistake by passing the 190's buck opening morning? I don't know. As a group, there were 6 hunters in A3's camp for the 13a hunt. We got 6 bucks, with the 2 biggest being a 207" buck and a 36" wide giant that scored 214". A3 went 16 for 17 with 11 bucks over 200" last year on the strip.

With all the foregoing in mind, I'd recommend you apply for 12aw if you're going to hunt on your own. If you're open to hiring a guide, then the strip units are a more viable option. It's big country with very low deer densities and if you've never been there before, would be a tough tag to kill a big buck on. We went multiple days without seeing a single deer, of the 11 total days I was there scouting and hunting.

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buckhorn
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May-26-16, 
10:05 AM (MST)
9. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

I think this year will be a better choice on the Kaibab. As previously pointed out The strip has been getting hammered the last couple of years especially 13 B. I would bet it will be slim pickings on 13b this year if you're set on the strip I would go 13 a but still think the Kaibab would be a better choice for a quality hunt.

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ruthunter
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May-26-16, 
05:29 PM (MST)
10. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

I couldn't disagree more. I know of some great bucks that made it through the rifle hunt in 13b. In my opinion we are looking at a great horn growth year and I expect 13b to produce just as good or better than 2015. I could be wrong but this is just my .02.

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DonMartin
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May-26-16, 
09:18 PM (MST)
11. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

LAST EDITED ON May-26-16 AT 09:20 PM (MST)

Since I guide in all these units too, and have done so for many, many years, I'll throw this in.

You will PASS on bucks in Units 13A and 13B that you had better take on the Kaibab!

You will see a heck of LOT More bucks on the late Kaibab hunt; but the "average" bucks you'll see are much smaller on the Kaibab. You see a 180+ on the Kaibab, might wanna shoot. See a 180 in Units 13A or 13B, let him walk!

But there are BIG BUCKS on the Kaibab. Two years ago on the late west side hunt, my hunter missed the largest buck I have ever seen on the Kaibab and I've hunted there since 1972!

He was wide, tall, junk everywhere! We estimated 230+, but don't know cause we didn't kill him at 203 yards standing broadside with his nose up a does rear end!

I've got 17 deer points and will draw the Strip under the current rules in the next THREE years.

As much as I enjoy hunting on the Kaibab, I'll save my points and take a shot at the Strip.

But for the average guy, a DIY kinda hunter, the Kaibab has way better odds and you'll see more bucks than you've ever seen!

Example: IN 2005 Tony Keller took this awesome 27 inch wide 4 X 4 on the Kaibab.

In 2010 Tony took this buck while hunting with AWO in Unit 13B. This buck was 34 1/4 inches wide and has JUNK everywhere!

Yes, there is a difference!

Don Martin
Arizona Wildlife Outfitters

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May-28-16, 
08:57 PM (MST)
12. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

How many points did it take to get your 13a tag

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jvgunner
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Jun-02-16, 
10:05 PM (MST)
13. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Pulled the trigger, 12-aw late, l less for you strip guys this year. Still not holding my breath for this year. Good Luck & thanks for info.

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ruthunter
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Jun-02-16, 
10:21 PM (MST)
14. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Awesome good luck! Thanks for not applying for the strip.

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buckhorn
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Jun-02-16, 
10:53 PM (MST)
15. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Good for you.That was the right decision.You will see a lot of big bucks on 12a west late.

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CAelknuts
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Jun-03-16, 
08:36 AM (MST)
16. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Jvgunner, I had max points, which was 18 last year. I'd been applying for a strip tag for 23 years in all. It's incredible country, and I'd love to go back there again in the future.

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Jun-03-16, 
01:09 PM (MST)
17. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

The strip is not over rated. Just go click on A3 web link. Those big bucks are off the strip not the kiabab. Don's holding out for the strip for a reason. I'm sure the strip would be tough for the DIY hunter between the huge area, few deer and outfitters having scouted a lot of the better bucks.

I hunted 12 AW late last year. Had a great time, wonderful country, put in again this year hoping for random luck, but did not see a 180+ deer. Very few 180+ deer checked in when I did and that included the early hunts, both sides. I saw a few deer being dragged out or in trucks, camp ect. None were 180+.

Don's hunter did take a great deer. You can check it out by looking at his post from last fall.

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Jun-03-16, 
01:40 PM (MST)
18. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

If it is overrated id like to know how? Here is my brothers and I archery bucks from last year. My brothers buck scored 220" and mine was 205 with an 11" dropper.http://www.monstermuleys.info/photos/user_photos_2016/25551strip

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Jun-03-16, 
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19. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"


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Jun-06-16, 
09:02 PM (MST)
25. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

>Awesome good luck! Thanks for not
>applying for the strip.
>
Back at ya!! 1 less on my draw! Good luck.

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Jun-03-16, 
09:42 PM (MST)
20. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

The Strip is great for big bucks, no doubt about it-but the opportunity for a 180+ buck on the Kaibab is very possible during either the early or late rifle hunts (and the archery hunt, but it's tough). Here's three DIY bucks that scored 180+ (e.g. 185 2013 late; 204 2011 late; & 193 2015 early) since 2011. Love the Kaibab and bucks like these keep me coming back every year.


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10:02 PM (MST)
21. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

The Kaibab Bucks seem to have better 4 point main frames.
I wonder which area has the most B+C entry's?

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22. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

"I wonder which area has the most B+C entry's?"

In the last 20 years......the Strip.

BOHNTR )))---------->

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23. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

A couple of bucks look real familiar... thanks for posting Dan!

Although the top buck is 188 and the second buck is 202

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04:52 PM (MST)
24. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

BOHNTR : precisely ! There is no other Hunting Unit that consistently produces B&C Bucks like the Arizona Strip Units 13a or 13b . Going into this year , I personally know 6 Droptine Bucks , 2 of which were Double Droppers last year scoring up to 240" . The Kaibab certainly has almost as great potential as 13a and 13b . I've been hitting the Kaibab more often and will be concentrating on the Kaibab significantly while simultaneously working on some of the Water Catchments this Summer . I don't know about you guys , but I'm ready for another Banner year !!!

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Jun-05-17, 
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30. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

>BOHNTR : precisely ! There is
>no other Hunting Unit that
>consistently produces B&C Bucks like
>the Arizona Strip Units 13a
>or 13b . Going into
>this year , I personally
>know 6 Droptine Bucks ,
>2 of which were Double
>Droppers last year scoring up
>to 240" . The Kaibab
>certainly has almost as great
>potential as 13a and 13b
>. I've been hitting the
>Kaibab more often and will
>be concentrating on the Kaibab
>significantly while simultaneously working on
>some of the Water Catchments
>this Summer . I don't
>know about you guys ,
>but I'm ready for another
>Banner year !!!

Rio Arriba County, NM and Eagle County, CO. I bet if you check the book, you will see more production of B&C bucks. Just a hunch on my part.

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37. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

>>BOHNTR : precisely ! There is
>>no other Hunting Unit that
>>consistently produces B&C Bucks like
>>the Arizona Strip Units 13a
>>or 13b . Going into
>>this year , I personally
>>know 6 Droptine Bucks ,
>>2 of which were Double
>>Droppers last year scoring up
>>to 240" . The Kaibab
>>certainly has almost as great
>>potential as 13a and 13b
>>. I've been hitting the
>>Kaibab more often and will
>>be concentrating on the Kaibab
>>significantly while simultaneously working on
>>some of the Water Catchments
>>this Summer . I don't
>>know about you guys ,
>>but I'm ready for another
>>Banner year !!!
>
>Rio Arriba County, NM and Eagle
>County, CO. I bet
>if you check the book,
>you will see more production
>of B&C bucks. Just
>a hunch on my part.
>
+1

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26. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

>The Strip is great for big
>bucks, no doubt about it-but
>the opportunity for a 180+
>buck on the Kaibab is
>very possible during either the
>early or late rifle hunts
>(and the archery hunt, but
>it's tough). Here's three DIY
>bucks that scored 180+ (e.g.
>185 2013 late; 204 2011
>late; & 193 2015 early)
>since 2011. Love the Kaibab
>and bucks like these keep
>me coming back every year.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

That is something to hang your hat on!

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27. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

jvgunner!
PM sent.

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28. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Thanks for the post Dan! I loved hunting and spending time with you on the early rifle hunt last year. I owe my success to your knowledge of the area and generosity in sharing some of it with me.

I have been lucky enough to hunt the Kaibab twice in the last four years as a non-resident. It is a remarkable place and I think about it every day. I'm sure the reputation of the Strip is accurate, but the Kaibab and memories I have made there will make the first draw choice on my Arizona application for the rest of my life. I drove down to AZ with my son this year and took hunter safety from Don just to get me back there one year sooner.

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10:53 PM (MST)
31. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Tph247 what hunt are you applying for to draw twice in four years? Early, late ? Archery, rifle , muzzleloader ? I'm just curious because that has to be some awesome luck !

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80. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

How many points did you have for those hunts? Probably a high number the first time, and one of the lucky ones to draw with low points on the second hunt. Just curious. Those of us with low points (3) at least like to know it is possible with the recent rules changes.

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Jun-03-17, 
09:43 PM (MST)
29. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Well a year has passed and the deadline for AZ is near!
So I thought i would throw it out their again.
Great moisture in the region last year,
some late hunts for 12b & 12 I like those.
the 12b runs more In the middle on Nov but like the moon phases.
12a mid to late Nov.
tough to pic this year, Think I may put in for 13b then 12aw late.
Love to hear some of this years thoughts.
Hoping to get lucky with 15pts.

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Jun-06-17, 
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32. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer will"

I'm a dedicated Kaibab fan, but here's a few thoughts - This year 12AW late opens a little later than usual, i.e. opens the Friday after Thanksgiving and runs thru Dec. 3. I think this will be a little closer to the rut "sweet spot", so it could be a good year to find a big rutting buck. Lot of moisture this past winter so browse should be abundant and antler growth should be above average. Of course monsoon moisture will affect things and late fall weather will also set the stage for the Kaibab rifle hunts. I'll be there again this year & willing to help out. Good luck to all!

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Jun-06-17, 
06:25 PM (MST)
34. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer will"

If you are a resident you will be very lucky to draw the Strip with 15 points. If you are a nonresident you will need more than luck you will need a miracle.

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Jun-06-17, 
06:29 PM (MST)
35. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer will"

If you are a resident you will be lucky to draw the strip with 15 points. If you are a nonresident you will need more than luck you will need a miracle.

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06:34 PM (MST)
36. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer will"

If you are a resident you will be lucky to draw the strip with 15 points. If you are a nonresident you will need more than luck you will need a miracle.

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Jun-06-17, 
06:22 PM (MST)
33. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

>Well a year has passed and
>the deadline for AZ is
>near!
>So I thought i would throw
>it out their again.
>Great moisture in the region last
>year,
>some late hunts for 12b &
>12 I like those.
>the 12b runs more In the
>middle on Nov but like
>the moon phases.
>12a mid to late Nov.
>tough to pic this year, Think
>I may put in for
>13b then 12aw late.
>Love to hear some of this
>years thoughts.
>Hoping to get lucky with 15pts.
> if you are a resident you will be lucky to draw the strip with 15 points. If you are a nonresident you will need more than luck. You will need a miracle.


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jvgunner
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Jun-08-17, 
08:05 PM (MST)
38. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Miracles' happen every day!

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Jun-10-17, 
07:20 PM (MST)
39. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

jvgunner
Did you make your choices?
I did end up drawing and hunting 13 B last year. If you want to know how my hunt went shoot me a PM

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Jun-11-17, 
10:15 AM (MST)
40. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

I'm in for 13B & 12AW Late. I probably pull this thread up again next year. At least I got tags in Co this year.

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Jul-08-17, 
02:20 PM (MST)
41. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Looks like miracles happen, cause I drew 13B with 16 points. Not sure which season (rifle or archery). The anxiety is killing me.

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Jul-08-17, 
02:58 PM (MST)
42. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

How could any fool post that he has no idea of which weapon he put in for when applying for arguably one of the most sought after permits in North America for mule deer? Especially when the application deadline was on June 13th - only 25 days ago! Did you bother to keep tract of what you applied for?
Unbelievable!

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Jul-08-17, 
03:03 PM (MST)
43. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Ram,

Just maybe, he applied for both. 1st choice rifle and 2nd choice archery. With credit cards being hit, how is he supposed to know if he drew his 1st or 2nd choice? I'm guessing you're new to the application game for most western states.

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Jul-08-17, 
03:06 PM (MST)
44. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

That's exactly what I do. Rifle first, archery second. If I was charged for a deer tag I would have no idea which weapon, just for sure the unit.

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Jul-08-17, 
03:51 PM (MST)
46. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Bwht4x4,
Quite the contrary. I've been applying in Arizona as a non resident for 17 years!!

All he had to do before posting such an insane comment was to do his research on the AZGFD website as to statistics and draw odds.

Last year he would have needed the max, 19 points, to draw the 13B bonus pass non resident archery mule deer tag. And only one non resident drew the tag in the random pass, less than 2%. So with 16 points this year (as he posted) he did not even have a chance to draw in the initial bonus pass for archery.

Last year in 13 B rifle any non resident who drew in the bonus pass needed at least 19 points. And three non-resident tags were drawn in the random pass - less than 1%. So with 16 points this year (as he posted) he did not even have a chance in the initial bonus pass for rifle.

He got very lucky and drew the 13B non resident archery deer tag. He can take that to the bank, err his credit card, when the results are sent to him later this month.

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04:56 PM (MST)
50. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

>Bwht4x4,
>Quite the contrary. I've been
>applying in Arizona as a
>non resident for 17 years!!
>
>
>All he had to do before
>posting such an insane comment
>was to do his research
>on the AZGFD website as
>to statistics and draw odds.
>
>
>Last year he would have needed
>the max, 19 points, to
>draw the 13B bonus pass
>non resident archery mule deer
>tag. And only one
>non resident drew the tag
>in the random pass, less
>than 2%. So with
>16 points this year (as
>he posted) he did not
>even have a chance to
>draw in the initial bonus
>pass for archery.
>
>Last year in 13 B rifle
>any non resident who drew
>in the bonus pass needed
>at least 19 points.
>And three non-resident tags were
>drawn in the random pass
>- less than 1%.
>So with 16 points this
>year (as he posted) he
>did not even have a
>chance in the initial bonus
>pass for rifle.
>
>He got very lucky and drew
>the 13B non resident archery
>deer tag. He can
>take that to the bank,
>err his credit card, when
>the results are sent to
>him later this month.

If he got lucky and drew the 13 NR archery tag in the random pass, please tell me how it wouldn't be possible for him to have not drawn the 13b rifle tag in the random pass? There are tags available for both hunts in the random pass and isn't it conceivable that he drew the rifle hunt?

I make no claims as to which hunt he drew, but it is possible he drew the rifle hunt.

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jvgunner
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Jul-08-17, 
08:04 PM (MST)
61. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Right on Outdoordan! No charge for me this year, all the rest of you are killing me.

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Jul-08-17, 
03:45 PM (MST)
45. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Obviously Ram has no idea how these draws work or maybe he needs to lay of the sauce when posting so he can think straight.

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Jul-08-17, 
04:28 PM (MST)
47. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

The only person who does not know how the draw works is oilcan.
What data in my latest post is inaccurate according to the draw statistics as posted on the AZGFD website?

He drew the 13B non resident archery mule deer tag in the random pass.

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Jul-08-17, 
04:47 PM (MST)
48. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Me thinks oilcan needs to contact one of the community colleges in Phoenix and enroll in a Statistics 101 class.

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04:56 PM (MST)
49. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

>Me thinks oilcan needs to contact
>one of the community colleges
>in Phoenix and enroll in
>a Statistics 101 class.
Maybe you can show us your Trophy buck pictures.

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04:58 PM (MST)
51. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

This got posted above below Ram's post. I wanted it here at the end.

If he got lucky and drew the 13 NR archery tag in the random pass, please tell me how it wouldn't be possible for him to have not drawn the 13b rifle tag in the random pass? There are tags available for both hunts in the random pass and isn't it conceivable that he drew the rifle hunt?

I make no claims as to which hunt he drew, but it is possible he drew the rifle hunt.

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Jul-08-17, 
05:19 PM (MST)
54. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Bwht4x4 -

According to the draw statistics on the AZGFD website how much more likely was he to draw the 13B non resident rifle tag in the random pass than the 13B non resident archery tag in the random pass? Please give us a number according to the statistics.

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Jul-08-17, 
05:01 PM (MST)
52. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

264mag
What do trophy pictures if any have to do with being able to interpret the draw statistics as posted on the AZGFD web site?

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Jul-08-17, 
05:18 PM (MST)
53. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

>264mag
>What do trophy pictures if any
>have to do with being
>able to interpret the draw
>statistics as posted on the
>AZGFD web site?
Maybe you could attend some classes.

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Jul-08-17, 
05:21 PM (MST)
55. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

264mag -
again what do classes have to do with posting of trophy pictures?

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05:25 PM (MST)
56. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

The fact is that he could have drawn the rifle tag or the archery tag. Unless you know something that we all don't, maybe you shouldn't jump down peoples throats. If you do know why he couldn't draw the rifle tag please explain. From what I understand there are rifle tags and archery tags given in the random pass, both of which are very difficult to draw.

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Jul-08-17, 
05:33 PM (MST)
57. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

CouesFanatic-
Not meaning to jump down anybody's throat. Just quoting the draw odds/statistics from the AZGFD webiste.

Again, how much more likely is he to have drawn the 13B non resident archery tag in the random pass versus the 13B non resident rifle tag in the random pass?

Hopefully outdoordan will post which tag. Once he reveals he drew the 13B non resident archery tag, 264 mag will need a lot of mustard on the crow he will be consuming.

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58. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Ram,
You said "He drew the 13B non resident archery mule deer tag in the random pass."

The draw odds may be better for the archery hunt in 13b, but there is a chance he drew the rifle and it wouldn't shock me for one second if he drew the rifle tag. You can not claim for 100% surety that he drew the archery tag...you just can't. If you think you can I suggest reading the AZGFD draw process and study up on how statistics work.

https://www.azgfd.com/hunting/draw/process/

BTW, in 2016 there were 2 hunters that drew the rifle hunt in 13B with 0 points and there were 4 people that drew the archery hunt with 1 point. Something to consider as you process these replies....

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59. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

LAST EDITED ON Jul-08-17 AT 05:50 PM (MST)

LAST EDITED ON Jul-08-17 AT 05:48 PM (MST)

From what I understand, there is a 10% cap for non residents. 5% goes to the bonus point pass and up to 5% goes to the random pass. This applies to both hunts.

In 13B there is 75 rifle tags and 25 archery.

10% is 7.5 NR and 2.5 NR. So 3.75 and 1.25 tags to the NR max points and up to the same numbers for the random. (I don't remember how they deal with rounding here).

So in this instance there is up to 3.75 rifle and 1.25 archery random tags for him to draw. Correct? This is how I understand it.

Can anyone tell me how they round?

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60. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

In that scenario they will round down. The non resident tags cannot exceed the 10% cap, so if there is 75 tags, there will only be 7 max resident tags available.

As far as odds to what he drew, sure he probably has a slightly better chance of getting the archery tag, but like others said it would not surprise me if he drew the rifle tag.

I think someone is just upset they do not have a charge on their account.

Congrats on getting a tag for the AZ strip it is an awesome place to hunt, regardless of what season.

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62. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Wow, can't believe how a simple statement blew up. Everyone else (except Mr. Pup) is exactly right, I put in for 13B rifle first, archery second. Since, Mr. Pup is clairvoyant, I guess I drew the archery tag (which was my initial thought, but I then realized I had a chance for each tag). Thanks for those that congratulated me. I guess I will have to make sure I clear my verbiage with Mr. Pup before posting.

I left yesterday afternoon and drove from Idaho to Nor Cal to hunt blacktails with my recurve. I better practice up for my archery strip hunt. Thanks again.

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buckmster28
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Jul-09-17, 
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63. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

With no hit to my card looks like I will wait another year. Actually archery hunted Kaibab when it was OTC and could have archery hunted the strip OTC just never did. Been applying for this before they had points and have had max since, not a big fan of the rules change of course having max but what do you do. Guess I take my 21 points and try again next year, hopefully I am not too old when I eventually draw.

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Jul-09-17, 
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64. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Actually, I thought I was snake bit when it came to the draws, as I rarely draw a tag, and have multiple points in many states. You will get your tag, when you least expect it. Good luck.

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Jul-09-17, 
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65. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Outdoordan, even if it is the archery tag, your stoked! You'll be on the Strip! But, with the rule change last year (or 2 years ago?), you may very well be hunting the Strip with a rifle. Good luck either way.

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Outdoordan
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Jul-09-17, 
05:19 PM (MST)
66. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Thank you! I am stoked!

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rambopup4
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Jul-10-17, 
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67. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Please let us all know whether you drew the archery or rifle tag in 13B.

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rambopup4
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Jul-17-17, 
02:54 PM (MST)
68. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Well well - Arizona results were posted today for those that have an account portal.

So now it's time for outdoordan to reveal to 264mag, Bwht4x4, and oilcan that he in fact did draw the 13B strip archery tag.

Everybody's waiting!

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Jul-17-17, 
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69. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Ram,

No one is arguing with you that he likely drew the archery tag and in fact I'd bet he did. However, once again, it IS possible he drew the rifle tag. That's all we're trying to get across to you. You seem to think he will only draw the archery tag, but that is not true.

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DonMartin
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Jul-17-17, 
03:51 PM (MST)
70. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

LAST EDITED ON Jul-17-17 AT 03:52 PM (MST)

FYI, oilcan isn't the only one that knows how the Arizona draw system works!

I think after teaching Az Hunter Ed for 20+ years, I've got a pretty good grasp of it! Lol

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rambopup4
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Jul-17-17, 
05:18 PM (MST)
71. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Yep- you are right Don. I took the hunter ed class with you 17 years ago in Kingman. I was living in Wyoming. Statistically he stood twice as much chance at drawing the 13B archery tag than the 13B rifle tag. Whether he'll come on Monstermuleys and admit he drew the archery tag remains to be seen.

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Outdoordan
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Jul-17-17, 
07:20 PM (MST)
72. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Well, I did draw a 13B tag. But, I will go ahead and PM the results to them. ;) Personally, when somebody attacks me, I won't give them the time of day. It's always some cyber warrior attacking somebody else anonymously from the internet. It makes the internet unbearable at times. You were wrong, and not man enough to admit it.

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Jul-17-17, 
08:11 PM (MST)
73. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Congrats and what a year to have that tag! So much for all the smart guys on here telling you what you drew. Anyway I have had hunted the strip with my tag or family members tags, 4 out of the last 7 years, we have been lucky. All the hunts except 1 were on 13b, the other was 13a. My son killed the biggest buck at 243 and change. Pm if you are thinking about a guide as I have a good insight on who the best of the best are. Have a great hunt!

Michael

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Outdoordan
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Jul-17-17, 
08:21 PM (MST)
74. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Sent you a PM, AZHuntin.

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SWINGBOW
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Jul-17-17, 
09:55 PM (MST)
75. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Congrats on a great tag Outdoordan! Either one is going to be a hunt of a lifetime. Can't wait to see "hero pics" with a big old buck. Hope to see you share them on here. Good policy on not giving a cyber warrior any energy. Seems that some guys just argue for the sake of arguing.

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Outdoordan
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Jul-17-17, 
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76. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

>Congrats on a great tag Outdoordan!
>Either one is going to
>be a hunt of a
>lifetime. Can't wait to see
>"hero pics" with a big
>old buck. Hope to see
>you share them on here.
>Good policy on not giving
>a cyber warrior any energy.
>Seems that some guys just
>argue for the sake of
>arguing.


Agreed, and thanks.

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rambopup4
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Jul-18-17, 
04:57 AM (MST)
77. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Instead of sending a few select PM just post the results of your draw! Hope you intend to spend many hours over the next few months shooting your compound bow as opposed to posting on monstermuleys.

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Jul-18-17, 
12:09 PM (MST)
78. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

> Instead of sending a few
>select PM just post the
>results of your draw!
>Hope you intend to spend
>many hours over the next
>few months shooting your compound
>bow as opposed to posting
>on monstermuleys.


Or will it be his rifle? The suspense seems to be killing you. Wondering what hunt a guy you don't even know is going on. Compelling.... Get well soon pal.

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rambopup4
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Jul-18-17, 
02:24 PM (MST)
79. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

swingbow - look back at outdoordan and his original post. He's the one who posted about whether he drew the 13B archery tag or the 13B rifle tag. I simply posted that if he and others with some semblance of critical thinking skills looked at the AZGFD historical draw statistics he would know that he drew the 13B archery tag. Now outdoordan refuses to post his results other than a PM to a select few. Seems his ego refuses to allow him to admit that I was right all along!

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Bwht4x4
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Aug-17-17, 
00:27 AM (MST)
81. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

LAST EDITED ON Aug-17-17 AT 00:28 AM (MST)

jvgunner,

Shoot me a PM with your contact info. I want to share with you something I found out today that I'd like to share with you. I don't dare post to this thread for the threat of being called a liar!!

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buckhorn
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Aug-17-17, 
06:29 PM (MST)
82. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Well guys I can tell you that just because You Draw Arizona strip unit 13 B doesn't mean you will have the hunt of a lifetime. I drew last year after 27 years of applying and even hired an outfitter and the hunt was actually disappointing. Came away with tags soup. There are a few good bucks being killed there but there are many many more hunters going home without.

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bonecollector777
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Aug-18-17, 
00:34 AM (MST)
83. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Never a guarantee up there that's for sure. But I'd still like to have a chance at it some day even if in the end I come home with my tag!

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Aug-21-17, 
09:21 AM (MST)
84. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Hope for non-residents...

I got a text from a buddy who just told me that one of his friends just got a 13B tag and he was several points less than max as a NON-resident! So, it does happen.

The guy is gonna hunt on his own.

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jvgunner
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Mar-29-18, 
09:53 PM (MST)
85. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Well it is another year, I put in for points only for elk due to the lack of water prior to the draw this year, But will be putting in for the Strip Or Kiabab with 16 this year. Possible late 12aw, mid Nov 12b rifle or 12 b archery, At least with the archery tag you have just about 3 weeks. Helps in new zone. Any way just looking for your Opinions if possible. Thanks

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Bwht4x4
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Mar-30-18, 
12:10 PM (MST)
86. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

LAST EDITED ON Mar-30-18 AT 03:35 PM (MST)

Last July rambopup4 was adamant and guaranteed to all of us that OutdoorDan drew the archery tag in 13b and couldn't have drawn the rifle tag. Even after numerous folks, including myself, explained to rambopup4 that with AZ's change to the draw system, applicants with less than max points could draw both the archery and rifle hunts in 13a and 13b. rambopup4 was not having any of that and fought all of us on that notion.

I never came back and shared the following story due to rambopup4's attitude. Fast forward to August. I get a text from my buddy who applies for a lot of western states including AZ. He wasn't too concerned with drawing a tag in AZ last year so he put in for 13b rifle and 13a rifle. He never checked his AZ draw results and in August he texts me a picture of a 13b tag...and it's a rifle tag! He drew with less than max points... only had 16 pts when he drew! I was who CAelknuts was referring to above back in August.

He decides to go unguided and DIY, but I go on the hunt to help. He killed this 32.5" wide, 206" buck on opening morning. A person helped with some incredible info. I'm not going to drop his name, but he knows who he is. To him...thanks again!!

So to rambopup4, how do you explain that? Actually nevermind..no one cares how you would explain it!!


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Mar-30-18, 
12:14 PM (MST)
87. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Beautiful deer, thanks for posting.

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Mar-30-18, 
07:47 PM (MST)
88. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Right on Man. Thanks for sharing, Ya he even thought I was the one who pulled tag & had his own post about it. What ever. Nice deer.

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rambopup4
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Mar-31-18, 
11:39 AM (MST)
89. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Bwh - the way to explain it is you were referring to YOU and your drawn tag - not your friends. He just got lucky and drew in the random or second pass. So why did you lie last summer and state it was you who'd drawn the tag?

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Bwht4x4
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Mar-31-18, 
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93. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

>Bwh - the way to explain
>it is you were referring
>to YOU and your drawn
>tag - not your friends.
> He just got lucky
>and drew in the random
>or second pass. So
>why did you lie last
>summer and state it was
>you who'd drawn the tag?
>

Ram,

I'm not sure what you're talking about. I never once said I drew a tag last summer. I think you are confusing me with someone else.

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rambopup4
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Apr-01-18, 
04:22 AM (MST)
95. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Sorry - got you confused with your life partner outdoordan.

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rambopup4
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Mar-31-18, 
11:58 AM (MST)
90. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Bwh - so why hasn't outdoordan come on MM AND STATED WHICH TAG HE DREW? After all the posts were about the tag outdoordan drew not your buddy's. I never stated he or anybody else could not draw either a rifle or archery tag with less than max points. I said from a purely statistical standpoint he drew an archery tag. You need to look at your foolish March 30th post, "applicants with less than max points could draw BOTH the archery and rifle hunts in 13A AND 13B.
No - they could only draw an archery tag OR a rifle tag and only in one unit, NOT BOTH!

Now that you've "come out" about your overly concerned relationship with outdoordan maybe it's time for him to reveal what tag he drew. You posts remind me of the infamous scene in the movie Thelma and Louise when Brad Pitt gets arrested and he looks at the cops and asks: "Do you two need to spend a little time alone".

Enjoy!

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Mar-31-18, 
12:16 PM (MST)
91. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

rambopup. How is your deer hunting going? are you in for AZ? How many points do you have? We all would like to know. I am just trying to get pulled in AZ, The State has changed the draw rules so many times nobody can keep up with it. In current draw process you have a chance to get a tag with less than the Points required in either Rifle Or Archery.It is obvious you can only draw 1 tag. Let's move on to the real subject, Big Ass MULE DEER BUCKS! It's going to be a hard choice this year but with the dates for 12-w late most likely will be my 1st choice & the jury is still out on my 2nd and last choice. Cheers

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rambopup4
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Mar-31-18, 
03:01 PM (MST)
92. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

If it is obvious why did Bwh post you can draw both in two different areas and why has outdoordan not posted whether he drew an archery or rifle tag last year?

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bonecollector777
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Mar-31-18, 
04:19 PM (MST)
94. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Rambo, I have no idea who you are or have anything to do with this argument but I have to say you sound like a kid. Let it go. I read through the posts and more than once you proved you have no idea how the draw in az works. I'm not saying I know the draw system better than anyone else but I can tell you you said some things that weren't correct regarding the AZ draw. First off if you happened to guess that outdoordan drew an archery tag good for you as you had a 50/50 chance of guessing that right. Anyone on any given year can draw the strip rifle tag without max points. Only exception to that is if someone has enough points to make the archery bonus pass and applies for that as well. But it doesn't appear outdoor dan had the points to be in the bonus pass for either so he could draw either one in the random draw. Yes his odds of getting the archery tag are higher but getting the rifle tag wasn't impossible. But like I said if you happened to be right that he got the archery tag who gives a sh*t. It doesn't prove you know anything special about the draw. Leave this post be and stop ruining it for a guy that simply wants some advice on which unit to apply for.

To the OP, as of right now the moisture on the strip has been better than the kaibab. Still kind of early to tell but the whole state has been terribly dry. My personal opinion would be to sit it out this year unless we get some rains before the draw deadline.

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rambopup4
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Apr-01-18, 
04:44 AM (MST)
96. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

jvgunner - why is my point total anyone's business?

However my point total can be posted here by the clairvoyant Bwht4x4 or his life partner outdoordan given the following:

I've been applying for deer every year since 1999 and took the hunter ed. class in 2003.

In 2017 I applied for 12A West late as my first and only choice. Since Bwht4x4 is the self proclaimed all knowing as to how the Arizona draw works maybe he can post how many people in the bonus pass at my point total applied in 2017 for the 12 A West late hunt as their first choice, how many total applied, and at that point total what their success rate was.

After all, it's public information via the AZGFD.gov web site!

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bonecollector777
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Apr-01-18, 
08:05 AM (MST)
97. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

LAST EDITED ON Apr-01-18 AT 08:15 AM (MST)

LAST EDITED ON Apr-01-18 AT 08:13 AM (MST)

You applied with 20 last year. You were the only one to apply for 12a west late and therefore you had to have drawn a tag. If that's not correct then you haven't been applying since 1999. Also noone cares.

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rambopup4
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Apr-01-18, 
03:08 PM (MST)
100. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Sorry bone collector I got my application history wrong by one year. I've applied since 2000. Thus I had 19 last year. Please answer the questions I posed as to how many applied at that level in the bonus pass, how many drew, and what % drew in 12A West late. Obviously outdoordan and his life partner Bwht4x4 haven't the critical thinking skills to post an accurate answer! Waiting for your reply. Unless you're as challenged with critical thinking skills as they are. Again, it's all public information on the AZGFD website.

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bonecollector777
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Apr-03-18, 
11:44 PM (MST)
131. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

>Sorry bone collector I got my
>application history wrong by one
>year. I've applied since
>2000. Thus I had
>19 last year. Please
>answer the questions I posed
>as to how many applied
>at that level in the
>bonus pass, how many drew,
>and what % drew in
>12A West late. Obviously
>outdoordan and his life partner
>Bwht4x4 haven't the critical thinking
>skills to post an accurate
>answer! Waiting for your
>reply. Unless you're as
>challenged with critical thinking skills
>as they are. Again,
>it's all public information on
>the AZGFD website.
Somehow missed this post but how stupid are you? I obviously looked up your info based off of what you told me about applying since 99. So I obviously have the capability to look at the info just one point down. 5 people applied. Two first choice and three second choice. Both first choice guys drew and one second choice guy drew. So 1.81% of all applicants drew a tag. So if you're telling the truth about putting 12w late rifle first choice only you drew a tag. So let's see the buck. You keep bringing these reports up like you're special and the only one capable of finding them and reading them.

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jvgunner
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Apr-01-18, 
09:25 AM (MST)
98. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

LAST EDITED ON Apr-01-18 AT 11:09 AM (MST)

rambo pup, I could not care less about your points, You are a pain in the ass and I agree! Find another post to fill with your mindless post, If you did get drawn I hope you got a forkie or better tag soup. I have talked with these guys your are speaking of on the phone, why because I am not a idiot & when your not a moron people tend to speak to you & help with knowledge. So I know how their hunt went. You need to cap it! Your probably a mole anti anyway. I just hope all other respectable mm members keep posting but with your rambling I would not be surprised if they do not. Happy Easter!

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Codylee1985
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Apr-01-18, 
03:00 PM (MST)
99. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Man all you guys need to get some more hobbies than hunting and arguing about hunting...lol!!!
Jvgunner will you PLEASE edit this post and spell Kaibab right?!? It's been bothering me for 2 years now 😜😂😜😂
Just messing with all u guys, don't get all mad and good luck in the draw this year!
I've been wanting to get back up for the Kaibab archery hunt since I haven't been back to hunt deer since I killed my 203" buck a few years ago, keep drawing arc bull tags 😜😜😜

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rambopup4
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Apr-01-18, 
03:13 PM (MST)
101. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Thank you Codylee! Is the ability to spell correctly also an indication of one's critical thinking skills? Obviously Jvgunner, outdoordan, and Bwht4x4 were never members of their high school or college debate debate team!

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Bwht4x4
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Apr-01-18, 
03:22 PM (MST)
103. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

>Thank you Codylee! Is the
>ability to spell correctly also
>an indication of one's critical
>thinking skills? Obviously Jvgunner,
>outdoordan, and Bwht4x4 were never
>members of their high school
>or college debate debate team!
>

No debate team for me. All I got from school were a couple of pieces of paper that say: B.S. in Ecology and a M.S. In Biological Sciences. I'll try harder next time.

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rambopup4
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Apr-01-18, 
03:24 PM (MST)
104. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

How about trying to post answers to my questions which are public information on the AZGFD website.

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rambopup4
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Apr-01-18, 
03:31 PM (MST)
105. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Bwht4x4 - so where's your life partner outdoordan in all of this and why have neither of you posted answers to my draw questions that are available as public information on the AZGFD website? But then, outdoordan has never revealed what tag he drew last year.

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rambopup4
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Apr-02-18, 
04:23 AM (MST)
111. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Bwht4x4 - surely with a M.S. in Biological Sciences you've taken a statistics class and thus have the ability to interpret the bonus pass draw odds for unit 12A west late in 2017 as listed in the AZGFD web site.

As a kid my daddy used to tell me, "Son, anybody who has to tell you how good they are isn't".

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rambopup4
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Apr-01-18, 
03:21 PM (MST)
102. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

jvgunner - apparently you care as your post on 3/31/18 asks how many points I have.

Your post, your inability to compose a grammatically correct sentence, and your name calling and profanity are all classic signs of one's inability to debate an issue based on facts and critical thinking skills. "If all else fails and your wrong revert to name calling and profanity".

If you "could not care less" then that means you care. Somebody was not paying attention in English composition class in high school!

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Apr-01-18, 
05:13 PM (MST)
106. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Sound good. Sorry about the spelling of Kaibab. Cheers!

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Tikka
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Apr-01-18, 
06:50 PM (MST)
107. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

This rambopup is a class act wherever he posts, Classifieds, Nevada and New Mexico... always looking to argue over anything....

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Apr-01-18, 
07:27 PM (MST)
108. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Some people just love drama...

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rambopup4
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Apr-02-18, 
04:15 AM (MST)
110. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

No drama - just a debate based on facts! Amazing how all these guys like Bwht4x4 who claimed I don't know how the Arizona draw works can't post what my odds of drawing were in 2017 and how many other guys applied at my point level in the bonus pass despite my posting how long I've consistently applied from, that I've taken the hunter ed class, and what unit (12A west late) I applied for. The drama or irony is on their part as they picked a fight and lost despite the information being available on the AZGFD website!

It's nothing more than simple arithmetic, looking up the hunt number of 12A west late, and knowing how to access draw data via the AZGFD web site. Apparently some of these guys don't know how the draw works as well as they claim!

Funny thing is outdoordan has never posted whether he drew an archery or rifle tag.

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rambopup4
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Apr-02-18, 
03:45 AM (MST)
109. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Wrong tiki hut - I've never posted anything in the New Mexico thread.

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CAelknuts
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Apr-02-18, 
08:01 AM (MST)
112. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

When I clicked on Rambopup's profile and saw his name, Stu Mauney, I thought the name was familiar but couldn't place where I'd seen him before. It finally dawned on me...

Mr. Mauney, as I recall you were pretty much run out of the AR website for being a rabble rouser. On the AR website, you're also known as Stan Montoya and Saeed banned you from his website as I recall. I seem to remember that you have a terrible reputation with some African PH's, a few of which were highly critical of you on AR.

Now it all makes sense why you're here on MM to stir the pot and argue with people. It's your nature.

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chipc
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Apr-02-18, 
08:46 AM (MST)
113. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Yeah, I probably should just keep quiet but after reading all of this I just don't understand your point Rambo ? You've crossed the line from healthy debate into petulant name calling and useless mean spirited argument. What part of that appeals to you ? Here is a saying for you "if you know you are right and you are at peace with yourself then there is no need to engage in a battle to prove it". Think about that. Chip

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rambopup4
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Apr-02-18, 
03:17 PM (MST)
115. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Your right chipc - you don't understand the debate of facts on the process of the Arizona draw and you should just keep quiet. Who is the author of the saying you posted?

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rambopup4
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Apr-02-18, 
03:11 PM (MST)
114. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Care to post the names of the African PH's? The only one's I've ever hunted with are:
Harold Rosenmann
Henk Fourie
Royston Wright
Alan Shearing
Gareth Stockhill

Gareth Stockhill and Clive Hallamore got so disgusted with HHK Safaris they ended their association with HHK. So please CAelknuts post the names of those African PH's. If you can't post those names then it is you who is the rabble rouser as none of the above have ever posted on AR!

All told me what a pleasure it was to hunt with me and my wife. Harold even came from Namibia to my home in Wyoming for a few days.

I guess if advocating for fair chase free range hunting versus shooting and killing of animals behind a high fenced escape proof enclosure is being a rabble rouser then I'll gladly accept the moniker! Heck, you "shooters" on accuratereloading.com even disparaged The Boone and Crockett Club definition of Fair Chase and The Wildlife Society final position statement on: "Confinement of Wild Ungulates with High Fences".

It's my nature to debate on science and facts!

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Tikka
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Apr-02-18, 
03:26 PM (MST)
116. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

>Care to post the names of
>the African PH's? The
>only one's I've ever hunted
>with are:
>Harold Rosenmann
>Henk Fourie
>Royston Wright
>Alan Shearing
>Gareth Stockhill
>
>Gareth Stockhill and Clive Hallamore got
>so disgusted with HHK Safaris
>they ended their association with
>HHK. So please CAelknuts
>post the names of those
>African PH's. If you
>can't post those names then
>it is you who is
>the rabble rouser as none
>of the above have ever
>posted on AR!
>
>All told me what a pleasure
>it was to hunt with
>me and my wife. Harold
>even came from Namibia to
>my home in Wyoming for
>a few days.
>
>I guess if advocating for fair
>chase free range hunting versus
>shooting and killing of animals
>behind a high fenced escape
>proof enclosure is being a
>rabble rouser then I'll gladly
>accept the moniker! Heck,
>you "shooters" on accuratereloading.com even
>disparaged The Boone and Crockett
>Club definition of Fair Chase
>and The Wildlife Society final
>position statement on: "Confinement of
>Wild Ungulates with High Fences".
>
>
>It's my nature to debate on
>science and facts!


Gawd 5 minutes with you, is 5 minutes way too long!!!

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rambopup4
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Apr-02-18, 
04:04 PM (MST)
117. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Tikka - still waiting for you to explain what posts I've made on the New Mexico thread.

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Tikka
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Apr-02-18, 
04:21 PM (MST)
118. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

>Tikka - still waiting for you
>to explain what posts I've
>made on the New Mexico
>thread.


http://www.monstermuleys.info/dcforum/DCForumID34/7175.html#33
Here you go!!!

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bonecollector777
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Apr-02-18, 
06:19 PM (MST)
119. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Now Rambo will come back with an answer completely ignoring the fact you proved him wrong and go straight to telling us how right he was about what he posted.

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msolocam
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Apr-02-18, 
07:58 PM (MST)
120. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

L.O.EFFING.L

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rambopup4
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Apr-03-18, 
04:31 AM (MST)
122. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

bonecollector - I was wrong about posting on the NM forum/thread. Now where's outdoordan, Bwht4x4, and CAelknuts with facts that support their posts?

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rambopup4
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Apr-03-18, 
04:27 AM (MST)
121. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Your right Tikka - I forgot about that one. So now that I've admitted this, where are all these guys with posts about how wrong I am concerning the Arizona draw, how it works, what the draw odds are, and African PH's. The PH's is the best one!

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bonecollector777
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Apr-03-18, 
08:08 AM (MST)
123. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

>Your right Tikka - I forgot
>about that one. So
>now that I've admitted this,
>where are all these guys
>with posts about how wrong
>I am concerning the Arizona
>draw, how it works, what
>the draw odds are, and
>African PH's. The PH's
>is the best one!
I'm still here. . And you're still a douche.


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CAelknuts
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Apr-03-18, 
08:46 AM (MST)
124. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

LAST EDITED ON Apr-03-18 AT 08:47 AM (MST)

Mr. Mauney, I'm not going to get in the gutter with you, as it seems you mostly just like to stir discord and argue with anyone naive enough to feed your perversion. I'll just say this... anyone can go to AR and do a search of 'Stu Mauney' and they can read for themselves. As for naming anyone, I'll offer up one that you seem to have a particular hatred for... Aaron Nielsen.

This is my last post about you and your reputation, attitude, etc. it was a nice thread until you got involved, glad to see my buddy and his friend kill a nice 13B buck.

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chipc
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Apr-03-18, 
09:06 AM (MST)
125. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

LAST EDITED ON Apr-03-18 AT 11:51 AM (MST)

HAHA...+1 Bonecollector. Hey Rambo, I'm glad you liked my saying. I might even know a little more about the AZ draw process than you think. I hope you get better soon.

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rambopup4
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Apr-03-18, 
03:46 PM (MST)
128. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

So chipc - can you tell us what your odds to draw a mule deer permit were in 2017 and what my odds were in 2017 given all the info I've provided on this thread/forum?

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rambopup4
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Apr-03-18, 
03:44 PM (MST)
127. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

If you did not intend to get into a discussion regarding my reputation and your post of African PH's and their supposed posts on accuratereloading.com regarding my reputation then why did you post such on this thread? Either put up or shut up! Obviously you have no facts to back your slanderous post! Before you post someone's name on this forum/thread at least display enough intelligence to spell it correctly: Aaron Neilson - not Nielsen:

Colorado - plea of guilty 3/2/1995 - obtaining signature by deception

Colorado - plea of guilty 3/3/1995 - second degree forgery

Colorado - plea of guilty 12/3/95 - illegal possession of wildlife


Colorado - plea of guilty 12/3/95 - hunted on private land w/o permission
Like the Arizona draw odds, it's all public information via Wray County, Colorado public records.

Kansas Department of Wildlife and Parks 11/29/00 - violation: 1000, no hunting license

Like others on this thread, once confronted with the facts and asked to verify their posts they retreat into their hole in the sand like a camel!

Enjoy!

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rambopup4
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Apr-03-18, 
03:17 PM (MST)
126. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

That's great bonecollector. Your still there as brain dead as before regarding how the Arizona draw works. The irony is you have no idea of what your odds to draw a mule deer permit were in 2017 despite the information available on the AZGFD webiste!

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Apr-03-18, 
05:17 PM (MST)
129. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Apparently my odds were 100%. Yours ? I could care less. I'm just amazed at the pent up anger you're carrying and I'm trying to provide you with an outlet for it. BTW...Bonecollector has likely forgotten more about Arizona hunting and the draw process than you'll ever know. Peace.

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Apr-03-18, 
05:46 PM (MST)
130. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Narcissism is real!

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bonecollector777
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Apr-03-18, 
11:53 PM (MST)
132. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

>That's great bonecollector. Your still there
>as brain dead as before
>regarding how the Arizona draw
>works. The irony is
>you have no idea of
>what your odds to draw
>a mule deer permit were
>in 2017 despite the information
>available on the AZGFD webiste!
>
Missed your post from earlier and went back and answered it. I looked up your info when you claimed to have been applying since 99 but alas you were wrong about that and you have applied since 2000. So why the hell do you think I cant look one number down the list at the 19 group points and tell you 5 guys applied and that you drew a tag if you're telling the truth about applying 12aw first choice only. Let's see pictures of your big trophy deer you got from the kaibab in 17. Just like anyone else with access to the reports I can tell you numbers from every hunt and species in all the draws. And can tell you every number from every report since 2013. I've honestly come to the conclusion you are mentally unstable. Some of the posts and stuff you say is mindblowingly stupid and it makes me wonder how you tie your shoes and get dressed in the morning.

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rambopup4
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Apr-04-18, 
04:13 AM (MST)
133. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

wrong again bonecollector - I did not draw. At least you have the capacity to look up such data. Here you go again, revert to name calling due to my posts of facts when your wrong.

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Tikka
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Apr-04-18, 
05:56 AM (MST)
134. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

"Like others on this thread, once
confronted with the facts and
asked to verify their posts
they retreat into their hole
in the sand like a
camel!

Enjoy!"

No, I'm pretty sure they just don't want to deal with the 2 year old anymore...

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rambopup4
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Apr-04-18, 
08:06 AM (MST)
135. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Tikka - nope they're just sore losers! Of all the posts on this thread about how the Arizona draw works only bonecollector has proven he understands the process and the odds to draw. I'm done and happy to be a winner about this topic.

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CAelknuts
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Apr-04-18, 
08:14 AM (MST)
136. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

>"Like others on this thread, once
>
>confronted with the facts and
>asked to verify their posts
>they retreat into their hole
>in the sand like a
>camel!
>
>Enjoy!"
>
>No, I'm pretty sure they just
>don't want to deal with
>the 2 year old anymore...
>


Tikka, he's Nucking Futs!

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Tikka
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Apr-04-18, 
08:25 AM (MST)
137. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

>>"Like others on this thread, once
>>
>>confronted with the facts and
>>asked to verify their posts
>>they retreat into their hole
>>in the sand like a
>>camel!
>>
>>Enjoy!"
>>
>>No, I'm pretty sure they just
>>don't want to deal with
>>the 2 year old anymore...
>>
>
>
>Tikka, he's Nucking Futs!

CAelknuts, that is a 10-4!!!

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bonecollector777
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Apr-04-18, 
08:50 AM (MST)
138. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

>wrong again bonecollector - I did
>not draw. At least
>you have the capacity to
>look up such data.
>Here you go again, revert
>to name calling due to
>my posts of facts when
>your wrong.

Ok last post I'm gonna waste on you. You claim you put in 12aw late first choice only with 19. Once again if you didnt draw that tag and you had 19 points you're lying. I'll post the report and tell me how you couldnt have drawn. One guy with 20 applied and drew and the two guys with 19 as first choice drew.

But I have a feeling like everything else you don't know, you also are wrong about when you started applying again. I'm gonna say you now have 19 which means you went into the draw with 18 last year which also means you didnt start in 2000 but started in 2001. Which also means you're more of an idiot than I imagined (which is almost impossible) and you wasted my time giving me wrong info.

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chipc
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Apr-04-18, 
08:56 AM (MST)
139. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

No no Bonecutter, Rambo is the winner !! Didn't you read that ?

In the words of the legend himself "I'm done and happy to be a winner about this topic"

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Apr-05-18, 
07:43 AM (MST)
140. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

LAST EDITED ON Apr-05-18 AT 08:02 AM (MST)

Well Rambo is active on this thread, all I want to know from him is if you know many African PHs and you have been to hunt in Africa, have hunted caribou recently in BC, have hunted Ibex in Kyrgyzstanhow...how can you not afford to put in for a few more bonus points for Wyoming Moose?

http://www.monstermuleys.info/dcforum/DCForumID8/6163.html

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rambopup4
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Apr-06-18, 
02:09 PM (MST)
141. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

bonecollector - you have no idea how much pleasure and entertainment I've obtained from wasting your time. At least you know how to access the odds to draw data from the AZGFD website. Poor ole Bwht4x4 hasn't a clue how to obtain that info and CAelknuts doesn't know the difference between an African PH and a Colorado booking agent with a proven track record of serious wildlife crimes! You boys provide more entertainment than a $10 movie!

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Bwht4x4
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Apr-06-18, 
02:17 PM (MST)
142. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

ram,

I have nearly 400 bonus and preference points across the western states and fully understand how all of the draw and point systems work. I have nothing to prove to you so I never came back to say anything more. Plus, I'm afraid to respond to your comments...you know Mark Twain's saying about arguing with people!

Good luck to all on the draws this year!

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CAelknuts
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Apr-07-18, 
12:33 PM (MST)
143. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

>ram,
>
>I have nearly 400 bonus and
>preference points across the western
>states and fully understand how
>all of the draw and
>point systems work. I
>have nothing to prove to
>you so I never came
>back to say anything more.
> Plus, I'm afraid to
>respond to your comments...you know
>Mark Twain's saying about arguing
>with people!
>
>Good luck to all on the
>draws this year!

Actually, Mark Twain's quote was about arguing with IDIOTS, not people. Regardless, your point certainly applies.


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Outdoordan
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Apr-09-18, 
02:24 PM (MST)
144. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

Separated clavicle, and now I snapped the tendon holding my tricep on, so I have been out of commission. Rambo's poop can be proven wrong time and time again and still think he's right. Mark Twain's quote certainly applies here. BTW- I know of another hunter whom drew a 13A tag with 6 points last year.


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Gator
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Apr-09-18, 
03:50 PM (MST)
145. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

My Favorite Saying.
Doesn't pay to argue with a idiot, because they will just drag ya down to their level and beat ya with experience.
It never fails.


"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
>Life member of
>the MM green signature club.


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Apr-18-18, 
07:19 AM (MST)
146. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

BC777
Please help me understand the data you posted. The hunt had 100 tags which ment 20 tags go in the bonus pass draw. NR get up to 10% which is 10 tags, but only 5% (5 tags) can be drawn in the bonus pass draw. Even if all the 17 point holders and up are NR, why did non of the 17 point holders get drawn? Only 4 tags were awarded prior, and even if they were all NR there should be 1 more tag. Am I missing something?
Thanks
Bill

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cmbbulldog
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Apr-18-18, 
08:54 AM (MST)
147. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

There are some nice bucks in this thread. Its cool to see them get repeatedly bumped to the top.

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mickeyelk
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Jun-11-18, 
11:10 AM (MST)
148. "RE: strip or Kiabab for deer"

I have 18 points and decided to put in for 13b. I know my chances are extremely low, but, this year I drew unit 8 Antelope first hunt and Unit 8 elk late hunt in Arizona, so, maybe, I can strike it again.

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