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So a big thanks to a guy for stating the obvious on a thread he started called NM DRAW ODDS.. which then triggered a chain of events where even more "GOOD CITIZENS " gave odds out for specific units..Are there any other morons who wish to enlighten us on how the draw works?? Or more specifically how about giving us the exact draw odds for say..... Units 17,12,13,52,51,10 archery hunts?? Or how about the whole state heck with it! Any takers ??
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-25-17 AT 05:48PM (MST)[p]I can't believe how much people are griping about publicly announced draw odds while on an online forum for hunting junkies. If anyone is surfing here they probably already know the units they want and are willing to find out how the draw works. Maybe I'm giving too much credit to them and they apply like a road hunter hunts.

And if they hit it from a Google search then more ad revenue for the site.

And I say that will all due respect to bigtime contributors like you Bugle. Your posts helped me figure out how to hunt in our state when I started a few years ago. Now I'm teaching my kids.
 
>Or more
>specifically how about giving us
>the exact draw odds for
>say..... Units 17,12,13,52,51,10 archery
>hunts??

Well, since you asked so politely;

17 1st & 2nd: 0.0%
12 1st & 2nd: 0.0%
13 1st & 2nd: 0.0%
52 1st & 2nd: 0.0%
51 1st & 2nd: 0.0%
10 1st & 2nd: 0.0%
16B 1st & 2nd: 100.0%

Hope this helps!
 
>LAST EDITED ON Feb-25-17
>AT 05:48?PM (MST)

>
>I can't believe how much people
>are griping about publicly announced
>draw odds while on an
>online forum for hunting junkies.
>If anyone is surfing here
>they probably already know the
>units they want and are
>willing to find out how
>the draw works. Maybe I'm
>giving too much credit to
>them and they apply like
>a road hunter hunts.
>
>And if they hit it from
>a Google search then more
>ad revenue for the site.
>
>
>And I say that will all
>due respect to bigtime contributors
>like you Bugle. Your posts
>helped me figure out how
>to hunt in our state
>when I started a few
>years ago. Now I'm teaching
>my kids.

I appreciate that brother !! I always will also. After talking with so many people over the years here and in the units we hunt,and guide I will tell you my friend, they mostly apply like road hunters hunt ,that's why that while other thread was started . I hope you draw well and if I can be of service let me know!!!
 
>>Or more
>>specifically how about giving us
>>the exact draw odds for
>>say..... Units 17,12,13,52,51,10 archery
>>hunts??
>
>Well, since you asked so politely;
>
>
>17 1st & 2nd: 0.0%
>12 1st & 2nd: 0.0%
>13 1st & 2nd: 0.0%
>52 1st & 2nd: 0.0%
>51 1st & 2nd: 0.0%
>10 1st & 2nd: 0.0%
>16B 1st & 2nd: 100.0%
>
>Hope this helps!

Come on man you were so great at opening your pie hole about the odds for b&e I was hoping the same moronic efforts would be applied toward these units as well ...... We're all counting on you...
 
>Dude you're not the only one
>in the world who knows
>about 16B.


DUDE!! Of course I'm not! It's a great place , physically demanding , horses and mules a must IMO that's not why people got pissed about the thread I'm talking about . Some take lots of time and effort to go through a lot of the odds for hunts and figure on their own how the system works . Me and others who were upset about it had nothing to do with the unit. It is no secret the Gila wilderness has huge bulls .
 
>We're all counting
>on you...

You're right, I forgot E, sorry!

17 1st & 2nd: 0.0%
12 1st & 2nd: 0.0%
13 1st & 2nd: 0.0%
52 1st & 2nd: 0.0%
51 1st & 2nd: 0.0%
10 1st & 2nd: 0.0%
16B 1st & 2nd: 100.0%
16E 1st & 2nd: 100.0%

My work here is done.
 
JRABQ,

Does that mean at 0% there is still a chance for unit 17? I got "sick to my stomach", when you showed that percentage. They are a secret! I am in for 16B now. Does anyone have a mule for sale?

I find it funny, when someone shoots some little 5x5 bull and says the unit is secret. I am sure the entire world wide web was going to flood that area, after seeing your MONSTER spike etc.
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-25-17 AT 08:31PM (MST)[p]>JRABQ,
>
>Does that mean at 0% there
>is still a chance for
>unit 17? I got
>"sick to my stomach", when
>you showed that percentage.
>They are a secret!
>I am in for 16B
>now. Does anyone have
>a mule for sale?
>
>I find it funny, when someone
>shoots some little 5x5 bull
>and says the unit is
>secret. I am sure
>the entire world wide web
>was going to flood that
>area, after seeing your MONSTER
>spike etc.
>

I guess that nonsense your uttering is a language called moron because I have no idea what your trying to say.

In case your buddy didn't tell you
1 archery 17 %20
2 archery 17 %10
 
>>We're all counting
>>on you...
>
>You're right, I forgot E, sorry!
>
>
>17 1st & 2nd: 0.0%
>12 1st & 2nd: 0.0%
>13 1st & 2nd: 0.0%
>52 1st & 2nd: 0.0%
>51 1st & 2nd: 0.0%
>10 1st & 2nd: 0.0%
>16B 1st & 2nd: 100.0%
>16E 1st & 2nd: 100.0%
>
>My work here is done.

I'm glad to hear that !!
 
>I think we are good to
>go. My buddy can
>get 6 pack goats and
>a Llama in his Subaru.
>


Hahaha tell you what, bring one goat for camp meat and I'll take you and your buddy on horseback!!! I promise it's more fun????
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-26-17 AT 00:09AM (MST)[p]no big bulls in unit 1, now unit 25 is where all the monster bulls come from here in NM. :)
 
I have never seen a grown man act like such a little girl and throw such a big tantrum over something that 90 percent of the people already knew. Sounds more like someone's posed their high dollar Kuiui clothing hasn't killed them a B&C like the pros on tv...
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-26-17 AT 08:16AM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Feb-26-17 AT 08:02?AM (MST)

LAST EDITED ON Feb-26-17 AT 08:01?AM (MST)

>I have never seen a grown
>man act like such a
>little girl and throw such
>a big tantrum over something
>that 90 percent of the
>people already knew. Sounds
>more like someone's posed their
>high dollar Kuiui clothing hasn't
>killed them a B&C like
>the pros on tv...
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First of all don't use KIUIU ,2nd know who your talking to before making a statement like that about killing big Animals. There are plenty of guys who killed bigger but definitely have been blessed with my share of big Animals , the people who have been around here for a while have definitely seen them. 90% of people in this state do not know about draw percentages. I promise. So from what I gather from this is you don't know your head from your ass when it comes to me or this post. You're just as dumb as the idiots who went on and on in the other thread . If you and the other idiots can can do some of the dumbest sh$# ive ever seen on this forum guess I can to. See you in 23.
 
>Always some kind of drama going
>on in the Blue State
>of NM.
>somehow not surprised.LOL

Just play acting to keep all the people out that wished they lived here. ;)
 
I hope I don't see you in 23. You don't seem too fun to be around. I hunt to have fun, not give myself an aneurysm over draw odds. Have a good one.
 
>>Always some kind of drama going
>>on in the Blue State
>>of NM.
>>somehow not surprised.LOL
>
>Just play acting to keep all
>the people out that wished
>they lived here. ;)


?? I'm done Paul . Have a good day.
 
>LAST EDITED ON Feb-26-17
>AT 00:09?AM (MST)

>
>no big bulls in unit 1,
>now unit 25 is where
>all the monster bulls come
>from here in NM. :)
>


I thought it was 29?
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-26-17 AT 09:11AM (MST)[p]>I hope I don't see you
>in 23. You don't seem
>too fun to be around.
>I hunt to have fun,
>not give myself an aneurysm
>over draw odds. Have
>a good one.


You too.
 
I was almost done with my apps, but I haven't had time to clear them with Buglenm. Hopefully I will get the chance to email or PM him that way I can get the okay from the almighty and get my apps in.
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-27-17 AT 10:28AM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Feb-27-17 AT 10:25?AM (MST)

I may not have killed the biggest animals but I have been blessed to draw the last 4 seasons and kill an animal the last 4 seasons. I don't measure my success by the size of antler or rug on the wall but measure by the fact that I am blessed to hunt in this beautiful state with my beautiful wife and if I get to harvest an animal that is bonus above and beyond regardless of size. Oh and I hunt less than "satisfactory" units to the apparent posts bout the gila. Units 9,10,12,13 oh but my bear was pope and young 19-1/2"


Thomas
 
>I was almost done with my
>apps, but I haven't had
>time to clear them with
>Buglenm. Hopefully I will get
>the chance to email or
>PM him that way I
>can get the okay from
>the almighty and get my
>apps in.


Come dude, that's just being stupid . I'll give you credit for not posting all your business for all to see. I do a spread sheet of every single hunt in N.M. I do help people to at least order their hunts correctly, if you don't need help than no need to be a smart ass. If you do p.m. them right over.
 
>LAST EDITED ON Feb-27-17
>AT 10:28?AM (MST)

>
>LAST EDITED ON Feb-27-17
>AT 10:25?AM (MST)

>
>I may not have killed the
>biggest animals but I have
>been blessed to draw the
>last 4 seasons and kill
>an animal the last 4
>seasons. I don't measure my
>success by the size of
>antler or rug on the
>wall but measure by the
>fact that I am blessed
>to hunt in this beautiful
>state with my beautiful wife
>and if I get to
>harvest an animal that is
>bonus above and beyond regardless
>of size. Oh and I
>hunt less than "satisfactory" units
>to the apparent posts bout
>the gila. Units 9,10,12,13 oh
>but my bear was pope
>and young 19-1/2"
>
>
>Thomas


I heard this phrase for the first time last year "IF YOU MEASURE YOUR HUNTING SUCCESS IN ONLY INCHES,THAN NOT A SUCCESS AT ALL" good job man. Any pics?
 
Got three pics. Lost my yearling elk pic due to phone/computer issues/being stupid. iTunes. Retarded. Whatever u wanna call it. Also lost the wife's first big game animal pic. Also yearling elk. But I'll post the other three.
 
>Got three pics. Lost my yearling
>elk pic due to phone/computer
>issues/being stupid. iTunes. Retarded. Whatever
>u wanna call it. Also
>lost the wife's first big
>game animal pic. Also yearling
>elk. But I'll post the
>other three.


Awesome! My wife killed her first bull last year as well, I'll see if I can dig it up. I had to miss my September hunt due to surgical issues ? I'll post a pic of my deer .
 
Damn that sucks. We went elk hunting but no luck on elk. Just the bear. But I think my wife jinxed us. I had a bear tag in my pocket and she said " If we get a bear I don't care if we get an elk". Well...... lol
 
Oh and I will be willing to tell everyone what my hunt choices for elk are regardless of chance of drawing. 13,10,9.



Eat your heart out
 
>Oh and I will be willing
>to tell everyone what my
>hunt choices for elk are
>regardless of chance of drawing.
>13,10,9.
>
>
>
>Eat your heart out


Perfect order !! Good form!!! Great pics by the way always wanted to meet that guy , I also remember seeing that monster bear this year!!!
 
Ya he was a pretty cool dude. And thanks man. You commented on the forum bout the bear so ya you have seen it ha ha. Can't wait till august when I get the rug back. Will definitely post more pics then.
 
And even in the units I hunt that are probably pushed off as marginal by the "big antler seekers" they may not have the quantity but they do have quality. My buddy pulled a bull out of one of these units year before last that netted 379". It's not so much where you draw. It's that you draw and put the time and effort it in.
 
>And even in the units I
>hunt that are probably pushed
>off as marginal by the
>"big antler seekers" they may
>not have the quantity but
>they do have quality. My
>buddy pulled a bull out
>of one of these units
>year before last that netted
>379". It's not so much
>where you draw. It's that
>you draw and put the
>time and effort it in.
>

Sound alot like my approach my friend! Frome the math to the "marginal " units!! "379 WOW!!!
 
>Come dude, that's just being stupid
>. I'll give you credit
>for not posting all your
>business for all to see.
>I do a spread sheet
>of every single hunt in
>N.M. I do help people
>to at least order their
>hunts correctly, if you don't
>need help than no need
>to be a smart ass.
>If you do p.m. them
>right over.

Nope just being a smart ass, I got mine. I figured if you could call people morons and stupid, then I could be a smart ass.

You should just post that spread sheet here then everyone wouldn't have to go to toprut or huntinfool to check their units.

What can I say I am a smart ass Good Citizen. Hope things go well for you on your draw quest.
 
If idiots or sorry "morons" would do their own draw odds and spread sheets ,and do THEIR OWN homework , like some actually do,instead of posting it, or lurking for freebies here,there wouldn't be an issue. I do understand people never learned basic math so I do sympathize for them.
 
>Mine are gonna look like this.
>
>1st choice unit 9
>2nd choice unit 9
>3rd choice unit 9
>Lol


Bowdeadly, can you send me the attach code cuz that's one unit nobody cares how easy it is to draw, it will stay that way haha. I'd say we'd draw!
 
I will say it again. Anyone that is even partially serious about drawing tags is paying $25 (spend twice that for a tank of gas) for a membership to an odds website. I use hunterstrailhead.com. There are lots of them.

The number geeks like WapitiBob :) dont need no stinking website to figure it out.

Lots rely on Huntinfool or Epic Outdoors to help plan their hunts.

It really does no good to call people idiots or morons for posting odds. It makes no difference.

Anyone (and I truly mean ANYONE) that has passed hunter safety and qualifies to apply for the draw has just as much right to hunt a unit as anyone else. I could care less if they plan on hunting one morning on a Saturday, never hunted before, or if they cannot hike more than a few hundred yards. They have just as much right as anyone else.
 
>
>It really does no good to call people idiots or morons
>for posting odds. It makes no difference.
>
>Anyone (and I truly mean ANYONE)
>that has passed hunter safety
>and qualifies to apply for
>the draw has just as
>much right to hunt a
>unit as anyone else.
>I could care less if
>they plan on hunting one
>morning on a Saturday, never
>hunted before, or if
>they cannot hike more than
>a few hundred yards.
>They have just as much
>right as anyone else.

Thank you Paul!
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-27-17 AT 08:42PM (MST)[p]>I will say it again.
>Anyone that is even partially
>serious about drawing tags is
>paying $25 (spend twice that
>for a tank of gas)
>for a membership to an
>odds website. I use
>hunterstrailhead.com. There are lots
>of them.
>
>The number geeks like WapitiBob :)
>dont need no stinking website
>to figure it out.
>
>Lots rely on Huntinfool or Epic
>Outdoors to help plan their
>hunts.
>
>It really does no good to
>call people idiots or morons
>for posting odds. It
>makes no difference.
>
>Anyone (and I truly mean ANYONE)
>that has passed hunter safety
>and qualifies to apply for
>the draw has just as
>much right to hunt a
>unit as anyone else.
>I could care less if
>they plan on hunting one
>morning on a Saturday, never
>hunted before, or if
>they cannot hike more than
>a few hundred yards.
>They have just as much
>right as anyone else.

You know what Paul I've discussed this with you in the past, and after that conversation I came to the realization you're right. So I ,(as have you ,and many more )have really helped multiple people,alot of them being new or just being able to hunt on the weekend, in any and all ways possible in ANY unit they draw. I've done it villa p.m. which eventually lead to phone number so on ... I've actually come to like experience their success more than my own.


Now as far as posting draw odds on specific units , I think that's complete bs and that should be done in private, even though the numbers are public info their are tons of people who do not know how the draw even works or how to figure the odds out that kinda still give those who do a slight edge (it's true). So I will agree calling them morons is probably not really penetrating,(or nice) because if they do post specifics on odds in specific units they're not the sharpest knife in the drawer to begin with . They can post it (which me AND Others think is not cool) we can give our opinion on it. So again I guess you're right . ? So because of that I guess my best hope is to see you in no the unit we discussed last week. (See how easy it is to discreet?) ?
 
What I find funny is you pick and choose who you call names. Some can make comments and you let them "slide" (NMPAUL) but others comment saying the same thing more or less and they get the full wrath of your little temper tantrum.

I also like how you try and over compensate by telling everyone how much you help people. How many people you help blah blah blah. Every hunter i know had helped someone. Just like your "knowledge" of 16B, you're not alone there either.
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-28-17 AT 07:14AM (MST)[p]>What I find funny is you
>pick and choose who you
>call names. Some can make
>comments and you let them
>"slide" (NMPAUL) but others comment
> saying the same thing
>more or less and they
>get the full wrath of
>your little temper tantrum.
>
>I also like how you try
>and over compensate by telling
>everyone how much you help
>people. How many people
>you help blah blah blah.
>Every hunter i know had
>helped someone. Just like
>your "knowledge" of 16B, you're
>not alone there either.


Not compensating for anything. The truths the truth any way you put it . Paul statements are worded differently, and to say I like him more than some is no lie. Others as well , it maybe that I know what the guy talking is all about. If I remember correctly I wasn't the only one ticked off about that whole deal , but I was more outspoken about it or I guess I chose demeaning terms when I shouldn't have, so sorry about that!!! "Knowledge of 16b" never said I'm alone there , not quite sure what that's suppose to mean?? You guide and outfit there as well? I guess your saying you know it well? Idk what your trying to say??
 
>>Or more
>>specifically how about giving us
>>the exact draw odds for
>>say..... Units 17,12,13,52,51,10 archery
>>hunts??
>
>Well, since you asked so politely;
>
>
>17 1st & 2nd: 0.0%
>12 1st & 2nd: 0.0%
>13 1st & 2nd: 0.0%
>52 1st & 2nd: 0.0%
>51 1st & 2nd: 0.0%
>10 1st & 2nd: 0.0%
>16B 1st & 2nd: 100.0%
>
>Hope this helps!

Bahaha. I've never seen a forum like this one. Odds is public info. It doesn't matter whether someone posts them on here or not. It's not like one's unit is going to get flooded with apps all of a sudden. People are going to have "their" units and will stick with them for the most part. Social media and posting pics (which nothing wrong with that) has a worse impact anyway. Point being you have to cross your fingers and toes and get lucky in the draw here in NM. It's a lottery system (best system of all the western states IMO)
so u gotta hope your app gets assigned a low # to draw one of your choices and go out hunt Mr. Public!
 
>>>Or more
>>>specifically how about giving us
>>>the exact draw odds for
>>>say..... Units 17,12,13,52,51,10 archery
>>>hunts??
>>
>>Well, since you asked so politely;
>>
>>
>>17 1st & 2nd: 0.0%
>>12 1st & 2nd: 0.0%
>>13 1st & 2nd: 0.0%
>>52 1st & 2nd: 0.0%
>>51 1st & 2nd: 0.0%
>>10 1st & 2nd: 0.0%
>>16B 1st & 2nd: 100.0%
>>
>>Hope this helps!
>
>Bahaha. I've never seen a forum
>like this one. Odds
>is public info. It doesn't
>matter whether someone posts them
>on here or not. It's
>not like one's unit is
>going to get flooded with
>apps all of a sudden.
>People are going to have
>"their" units and will stick
>with them for the most
>part. Social media and posting
>pics (which nothing wrong with
>that) has a worse impact
>anyway. Point being you
>have to cross your fingers
>and toes and get lucky
>in the draw here in
>NM. It's a lottery system
>(best system of all the
>western states IMO)
>so u gotta hope your app
>gets assigned a low #
>to draw one of your
>choices and go out hunt
>Mr. Public!

NMbowhunter, remember, the number of applicants are public information. People who know how to figure out the math ultimately come up with the closest drawn percentage. But oh well hope you draw good buddy let me know how it goes for you.
 
Hey Thomas, that's one heck of a nice bear! I know nothing about bear hunting, etc., so I have some questions if that's alright?

1) Was that a spot and stalk hunt?
2) How does bear meat taste?
3) Do you have to skin it out in the woods or will it keep until you get home or back to camp?
4) What does a bear like that weigh?
5) What will the squared measurements of your bear rug be?
6) Are you planning to hang the rug on the wall?

Thanks d your time
Joe


"Sometimes you do things wrong for so long you
think their right" - 2001
"I can't argue with honesty" - 2005
-Joe E Sikora
 
>Hey Thomas, that's one heck of
>a nice bear! I know
>nothing about bear hunting, etc.,
>so I have some questions
>if that's alright?
>
>1) Was that a spot and
>stalk hunt?
>2) How does bear meat taste?
>
>3) Do you have to skin
>it out in the woods
>or will it keep until
>you get home or back
>to camp?
>4) What does a bear
>like that weigh?
>5) What will the squared measurements
>of your bear rug be?
>
>6) Are you planning to hang
>the rug on the wall?
>
>
>Thanks d your time
>Joe
>
>
>"Sometimes you do things wrong for
>so long you
>think their right" - 2001
>"I can't argue with honesty" -
>2005
>-Joe E Sikora
No was sitting at a water hole calling elk and had a bear tag in my pocket and he showed up ha ha. That bear did not taste so good. Not any berries in the area and think he was feeding mostly on crap. But have heard of bears are on the right diet they taste ok. I skinned it out in the woods. As long as you freeze it in 24 hours it buys you some time to get it to the taxi. But make sure to put a wedge or piece of wood in the mouth right away for the mouth to stay open for g&f to get the tooth. About three hours later tried to get the mouth open and was locked. Had to pry it open not sure how long it would keep without skinning and gutting but my wife and I did it the woods after the kill because it was really heavy. My wife and I could barely turn him over. He weighed a lot. We were guessing round 300 because of how hard he was to handle. He will be hanged on my bedroom wall pending studs in the wall. And not sure on the measurements. Will let you know with pics when I get him back from the taxi in august
 

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