X Bows allowed during archery season??????????

Trad Bow 1979

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I saw a post from Bowsite stating that the game commission is visiting the idea of allowing Xbows to be used in the archery season outside of the existing disability allowance. Has anyone heard anything about this? This definitely raises a concern for me cause archery tags will be more difficult to draw and harvests will go up which could lead to fewer tags eventually. I have found historically that people on MM are more in tuned with what is going on versus bowsite so that is why I am asking.
 
All I have to say is "F" that!!!!! Crossbow are not archery equipment IMO. I and many others push the limits with new bows, but at least we have to draw them back when a shot opportunity presents it self. Crossbows have no place in the archery season.
 
Xbows only belong in people's hands that can't physically draw a bow. IMO people treat crossbows like rifles and don't practice with them as muchij as they should. It's just as easy to jack up a shot with a crossbow as with a compound IMO. I'd be pissed if they allowed them in archery.
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-21-17 AT 09:55PM (MST)[p]I've only heard that u could use crossbows during the gun season. I haven't heard for archery or even talks of sort. I just know u can use one during archery if u are handicapped. I would be really PISSED if they are allowed by regular "joes" during archery season. Crossbows are not archery equipment! They are closer to rifles than archery equipment. Is there anyone out there that might have more info. BAD IDEA!!!
 
Start reading at the first appearance of "cross" here...

http://www.wildlife.state.nm.us/dow...2017/MIN-Game-Commission-06_22_2017-DRAFT.pdf

Discussion started on allowing clarifiers, then morphed into allowing telescopic sights on bows ('technology is good...makes hunting better'), and then to allowing cross bows during archery season, to increase opportunity.

Rule changes are being drafted, but I don't see them on the August meeting agenda.

Here's some tidbits:

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Mr. Chairman [...] There will not necessarily be more opportunity. And in many of these cases, these bow hunters over-subscribed If you expand it, you are going to have bow hunters who have potentially a reduced chance of drawing. That's just something to keep in mind.

CHAIRMAN: Maybe it just gives more hope.
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Mr. Chairman, just so you all are aware, the last time we began discussing this, it actually was posted on the web site and we received zero comments from the public on it.
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The most vocal chairman to support crossbows says "I'm not saying to allow anybody to use crossbows during an archery season..."
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We?re not going to increase tags.
----------------
 
LTSHEETS,
I would agree BUT!!!! 2 things, #1~the dept has a "reasonable accommodation"for person who drew an archery tag in the current year, they have an unfortunate circumstance and cannot now draw their bow.The dept will allow that hunter with all proper approvals to now hunt with x-bow, FOR THAT SEASON.....Now , too many of these guys want to pursue bull elk bugling away with a cross-bow, SO MUCH EASIER THAN HAVING TO DRAW AND AIM AND RELEASE! The arguement is then , well , why should "we" who want to bow hunt have to give up the bow season because of a physical limitation???? Well I(MY OPINION) is this , LIFE HAPPENS! We all get older , we all have different size bank accounts , we all have problems we all have different priorities, that is life what makes the world go round. I chose to ride bucking bulls and bareback horses as a younger guy, my choice , but today I have a broken body that really limits what I"m able to do, o well such is life.... IF YOU WANT TO HUNT DURING BOW SEASON YOU SHOULD HAVE TO USE A BOW AND ARROW -PERIOD!
#2 There is also muzzleloader and rifle hunts that the NMDGF offers, maybe its time to take a closer look at those if you cannot draw a bow! AZ doesn't allow x-bows for the exact reason!!!!!
X-BOW USE AND MOBILITY IMPAIRED is being abused way too much!LAZY FRIGGIN DISHONEST SLOBS!
 
While we're at it, can we toss in a three-week atlatl season before the archery season? Asking for a friend...
 
>While we're at it, can we
>toss in a three-week atlatl
>season before the archery season?
> Asking for a friend...
>

Now that's funny right there...way to lighten up the mood mozey.
 
I think we agree on most of this haha. I wouldn't be disappointed if they became more restrictive against xbows. I think we're cut from the same cloth bud!

>LTSHEETS,
> I would agree BUT!!!!
>2 things, #1~the dept has
>a "reasonable accommodation"for person who
>drew an archery tag in
>the current year, they have
>an unfortunate circumstance and cannot
>now draw their bow.The dept
>will allow that hunter with
>all proper approvals to now
>hunt with x-bow, FOR THAT
>SEASON.....Now , too many of
>these guys want to pursue
>bull elk bugling away with
>a cross-bow, SO MUCH EASIER
>THAN HAVING TO DRAW AND
>AIM AND RELEASE! The arguement
>is then , well ,
>why should "we" who want
>to bow hunt have to
>give up the bow season
>because of a physical limitation????
>Well I(MY OPINION) is this
>, LIFE HAPPENS! We all
>get older , we all
>have different size bank accounts
>, we all have problems
>we all have different priorities,
>that is life what makes
>the world go round. I
>chose to ride bucking bulls
>and bareback horses as a
>younger guy, my choice ,
>but today I have a
>broken body that really limits
>what I"m able to do,
>o well such is life....
>IF YOU WANT TO HUNT
>DURING BOW SEASON YOU SHOULD
>HAVE TO USE A BOW
>AND ARROW -PERIOD!
>#2 There is also muzzleloader and
>rifle hunts that the NMDGF
>offers, maybe its time to
>take a closer look at
>those if you cannot draw
>a bow! AZ doesn't allow
>x-bows for the exact reason!!!!!
>
>X-BOW USE AND MOBILITY IMPAIRED is
>being abused way too much!LAZY
>FRIGGIN DISHONEST SLOBS!
 
Screw that...if you want to hunt with a spear, don't cheat by using an atlatl!

>>While we're at it, can we
>>toss in a three-week atlatl
>>season before the archery season?
>> Asking for a friend...
>>
>
>Now that's funny right there...way to
>lighten up the mood mozey.
>
 
It will Be Passed Sooner Or Later Rather Some of You Like it Or Not. I Can Say That When it was First Legalized in Texas Like Most of You I was Total Against It. After a Few Years Passed My FNL Had Open Hart Surgery and Could No Longer Draw a Bow Comfortably. I Choose to By him One Not Because I Approved of It But, Because It was Legal. After Getting Involved With Helping Him Crossbow Hunt for the First Time I Can Honestly Say I was Wrong. I learned that Giving People More Options to Be in the Woods and enjoy the sport we all Love Is truly the Only Reason I Needed to Learn everything I thought Before Was Nothing But, Me binging a Selfish. Since then I Have Helped Many People Get into the sport Using a Crossbow including Woman and Children that No way would Have Been able to use traditional Gear. In All Honestly I would Choose my Hoyt any day as a Advantage when Hunting Compared to A Crossbow But, To Some It's a Better Option to get them in the Woods and Maybe Make a Lethal Harvest. That's Good Enough for Me
 
I get what you are saying about getting people involved, but I do not totally agree with your logic as to how that pertains to the X-bow; between all the bow, muzzy and rifle hunts, youth, handi-capped, and mobility impaired...I would argue that there are plenty of options to hunt in NM.

Unless one is physically impaired and simply cannot draw back a bow, today's modern compacts are plenty lethal in lower poundages. Not training to draw back a bow, not putting in the time and effort is not an acceptable excuse.
 
Ok I agree that it could open the door to introduce someone to outdoors.Agreed.But, not during archery seasons. X-bows are not archery equipment, period. Muzzle loader hunts and ANY Weapon hunts allow for cross bow use, that is the only place they belong! Like I said , life happens and sometimes we just need to adjust to the change , and it might mean heaving to pick up a different hunt season.That has nothing to do it possibly keeping someone out of the hills....Wolves and cross bows do not belong in NM, take em all to Texas I say...
 
Got a kick out of the atlatl comment. I have built and used atlatls for years and would likely go hungry most of the time if I was restricted to an atlatl and dart to harvest game. Tough technology to master.
As to crossbows, they apparently date back to the 6th century Before Christ.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossbow

The compound bow was invented in1966.
 
Who capitalizes every first letter? This dude is wrong on every level.

> It will Be Passed Sooner
>Or Later Rather Some of
>You Like it Or Not.
>I Can Say That When
>it was First Legalized in
>Texas Like Most of You
>I was Total Against It.
>After a Few Years Passed
>My FNL Had Open Hart
>Surgery and Could No Longer
>Draw a Bow Comfortably. I
>Choose to By him One
>Not Because I Approved of
>It But, Because It was
>Legal. After Getting Involved With
>Helping Him Crossbow Hunt for
>the First Time I Can
>Honestly Say I was Wrong.
>I learned that Giving People
>More Options to Be in
>the Woods and enjoy the
>sport we all Love Is
>truly the Only Reason I
>Needed to Learn everything I
>thought Before Was Nothing But,
>Me binging a Selfish. Since
>then I Have Helped Many
>People Get into the sport
>Using a Crossbow including Woman
>and Children that No way
>would Have Been able to
>use traditional Gear. In All
>Honestly I would Choose my
>Hoyt any day as a
>Advantage when Hunting Compared to
>A Crossbow But, To Some
>It's a Better Option to
>get them in the Woods
>and Maybe Make a Lethal
>Harvest. That's Good Enough
>for Me
 
>Got a kick out of the
>atlatl comment. I have built
>and used atlatls for years
>and would likely go hungry
>most of the time if
>I was restricted to an
>atlatl and dart to harvest
>game. Tough technology to master.
>
>As to crossbows, they apparently date
>back to the 6th century
>Before Christ.
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossbow
>
>The compound bow was invented in1966.
>

Yes, it's an ancient weapon of war, but in many ways it is more similar to a muzzleloader than a bow.

A friend of mine always jokes about what things might have been had the Spaniards faced off against natives with today's archery tech.
 
>Start reading at the first appearance
>of "cross" here...
>
>http://www.wildlife.state.nm.us/dow...2017/MIN-Game-Commission-06_22_2017-DRAFT.pdf
>
>Discussion started on allowing clarifiers, then
>morphed into allowing telescopic sights
>on bows ('technology is good...makes
>hunting better'), and then to
>allowing cross bows during archery
>season, to increase opportunity.
>
>Rule changes are being drafted, but
>I don't see them on
>the August meeting agenda.
>
>Here's some tidbits:
>

I'm not sure that technology totally makes hunting better. It may make it easier, but then making it easier takes away from the experience and the adventure in hunting. Using crossbows during archery season is a bad idea. Let them go with the rifle hunter (aka any legal weapon) hunts.
>---------------
>Mr. Chairman [...] There will not
>necessarily be more opportunity. And
>in many of these cases,
>these bow hunters over-subscribed
>If you expand it, you
>are going to have bow
>hunters who have potentially a
>reduced chance of drawing. That's
>just something to keep in
>mind.
>
>CHAIRMAN: Maybe it just gives more
>hope.
>----------------
>Mr. Chairman, just so you all
>are aware, the last time
>we began discussing this, it
>actually was posted on the
>web site and we received
>zero comments from the public
>on it.
>----------------
>The most vocal chairman to support
>crossbows says "I'm not saying
>to allow anybody to use
>crossbows during an archery season..."
>
>----------------
>We?re not going to increase tags.
>
>----------------
 
I'm not sure that technology totally makes hunting better. It may make it easier, but then making it easier takes away from the experience and the adventure in hunting. Using crossbows during archery season is a bad idea. Let them go with the rifle hunter (aka any legal weapon) hunts.
 
I posted on Bowsite and I'll reiterate here.

Xbows in archery season are very, very bad thing for bowhunters IMO.

With Xbows like Ravin advertising 100-yard groups, if xbows are allowed into the archery season success rates will rise and tag numbers will have to be cut. Coupled with more people applying for archery season planning to use xbows woudl make for a double-whammy of plummeting draw odds for archery.

Totally fine to use them during muzzle & rifle seasons. But hardly anybody does that because nobody picks up a xbow for the "romance" or "nostalgia" of shooting a primitive weapon. They pick it up for one reason: to hunt in bow seasons without having to be a bowhunter/archer. It's easy. They are lazy.

An extremly few minority do it becuase of injury or health. While I'm sympathetic in those cases, IMO even that should not be allowed.

I may not have the ability to complete a marathon. The Olympic rules don't allow me to use a motor scooter just because I want to participate. There's nothing that says that everyone should be able to do everything. It's called life. If you have an injury or other physical disability that won't allow you to shoot a bow you need to pick up a rifle. Or a muzzleloader. Or use an Xbow during either of those seasons if you want the challenge of limiting yourself. The thing is nobody is "foolish" enough to use an Xbow during a rifle or muzzle season. Why is that?

Carl
 

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