Texas School Shooting

lovehunting · May 18, 2018

Not sure how to start this thread. I have been an avid Hunter/Fisherman my entire life. I am also a teacher with 27 years of service in the State of New Mexico. Both of my children a son/daughter were both raised with guns in the home secured of course and are now adults that love hunting. I will not under any circumstance give up my second amendments rights. I am very concerned about the sport we love and our second amendment rights as well as our children in public schools. I don't have the answers and not sure where to find them. I do know as a Parent we send our children to school and it's are expectations that they return home at the end of every day safe. With that I strongly believe that we have a responsibility to ensure our future of hunting, second amendment rights, and safety of our children now become a priority among sportsmen. Looking for your thoughts and Ideas on this tragic time in America.

Jack

bobby · May 18, 2018

Not sure what the solution is ! First off PRAYERS to the familys and friends of the victims. I do know one thing this ISNT a gun issue , its a society issue. The world has lost its moral compass with the progressive agenda . The lack of parenting and the removal of authority in this country IE the man upstairs has caused a lack of moral turpitude.

I also think social media plays a big part of this copy cats attacks things of that nature as the news talks more about the shooters than they do the victims again to push and agenda.

This ##### wasnt happening thirty years ago and in rural MURICA kids drove to school with guns in their gun racks...

Not sure what else to say here but as a parent i should have to fear sending my kid to school daily .

BUGLEnmIN · May 18, 2018

Damn Bobby, that's 100% correct IMO. America has removed God from schools, the work place, fr general society itself! Then the first words I hear are "WHY GOD WHY" ? Well as a society ( not personally) we've asked him to leave and then wonder why?
Prayers for all those involved,also for all for protection for all of our families as well.
GOD BLESS

throwfar · May 18, 2018

In my opinion the only answer is teach your kids what to do when this happens, situational awareness is key. Think of the following quotes from Cormac McCarthy
?It makes no difference what men think of war, said the judge. War endures. As well ask men what they think of stone. War was always here. Before man was, war waited for him. The ultimate trade awaiting its ultimate practitioner. That is the way it was and will be. That way and not some other way.?
While it is not war it is essentially the same thing people killing people is hard wired.

cosmic_cowboy · May 18, 2018

It is not a GUN issue but the gun grabbers will make it one.It is the decay of society brought on by progressive lunatics. They will be out saying its not the shooters fault because his Mama was mean to him or someone laughed at him. IT IS TIME TO SECURE OUR SCHOOLS ! just like just about every other public venue
Jack

BUGLEnmIN · May 18, 2018

Jack ,
Funny . I just finished telling my wife that same thing. Armed guards at every school . The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun!.

throwfar · May 18, 2018

What's your plan to pay these armed guards, and how much? Seems to me most competent people would laugh at the idea of making $10 an hour to put their life on the line, wouldn't you?

RabidRattleSnake1 · May 18, 2018

We defiantly have a major problem that no one seems able to or willing to address. In my opinion a lot of ?us? are the problem. Saying the ?gun grabbers? or ?liberal this or that? is one of the biggest roadblocks to any viable solution. It goes both ways. The other side is screaming ?gun lover? or ?NRA this or that?. When you start off a conversation with that you basically shut down the conversation before it even begins.

My opinion and my opinion only, but God in schools, the work place, or elsewhere is not the answer. I am not religious in any way shape or form so maybe I don't know what I am talking about, but where was God when all of these kids, the ones in Florida, or the people at the Las Vegas shooting were massacred?

You do bring up a good point. This type of thing didn't happen 30 years ago. The truth of it is that times have changed and we are never going back to that time or that type of thinking. Good or bad we live in a different time and hoping to go back to the good old days just isn't going to happen.

Again just my opinion, but it is just way too easy to get a firearm. Several times I have been at the city range and either felt uncomfortable with the people next to me or just up and left because they were unsafe or had no respect for the firearm. The last time I was there I grabbed my boys and up and left because the joker next to me thought he was in a Sylvester Stallone movie. I just thought to myself at the time that we should have to obtain a gun license similar to a driver?s license that proves we are competent to own a firearm. I don't see why anyone would have any objection to that as long as the requirements were reasonable. Going that route would hopefully weed out a lot of the people who have no business owning a firearm. I know this is blasphemy to many of you, but the original post asked what we thought and there is my take.

I have kids in school and shouldn't have to think about something like this happening to them, but here we are. Until we are willing to compromise on both sides nothing is going to change.

cosmic_cowboy · May 18, 2018

LAST EDITED ON May-18-18 AT 05:36PM (MST)[p]Rattle Snake
I couldn't disagree with you more.... you are the problem by being complacent and letting the anti this and anti that set the narrative.
This is NOT the place for a Political debate so I will not stoop to that level. But until we as Americans face the true FACTS nothing will change. Policy fueled by "Feelings" Not "Facts" will be the end of this great country.
Jack

Dirtbag · May 18, 2018

If we are every going to prevent these tragic incidents from occurring then we need to put aside our differences and put our children first.
As someone once said....."You want to make the world a better place.... start with the man in the mirror...

tomvern85 · May 18, 2018

Jack, bugle, told my wife the same thing when I got home from work. ##### gun laws because bad people with a gun will be just that and if they can not get it legally they will still get it. But you make a fed law that all schools have one entry/exit with security and metal detectors then we will at least be able to protect our kids.

BUGLEnmIN · May 18, 2018

>What's your plan to pay these
>armed guards, and how much?
>Seems to me most competent
>people would laugh at the
>idea of making $10 an
>hour to put their life
>on the line, wouldn't you?
>

If the government can find money to harbor thosands of wild horses, or save a minnow to stupid to save itself, maybe they can find it in their heart to scroung what's left over to protect our children. There's always a way. IN MY OPINION THE SAFETY OF CHILDREN ACROSS THE NATION SHOULD BE A CONSERN ABOVE MANY OTHERS!

BUGLEnmIN · May 18, 2018

>We defiantly have a major problem
>that no one seems able
>to or willing to address.
> In my opinion a
>lot of ?us? are the
>problem. Saying the ?gun grabbers?
>or ?liberal this or that?
>is one of the biggest
>roadblocks to any viable solution.
>It goes both ways. The
>other side is screaming ?gun
>lover? or ?NRA this or
>that?. When you start off
>a conversation with that you
>basically shut down the conversation
>before it even begins.
>
>My opinion and my opinion only,
>but God in schools, the
>work place, or elsewhere is
>not the answer. I am
>not religious in any way
>shape or form so maybe
>I don't know what I
>am talking about, but where
>was God when all of
>these kids, the ones in
>Florida, or the people at
>the Las Vegas shooting were
>massacred?
>
>You do bring up a good
>point. This type of thing
>didn't happen 30 years ago.
>The truth of it is
>that times have changed and
>we are never going back
>to that time or that
>type of thinking. Good
>or bad we live in
>a different time and hoping
>to go back to the
>good old days just isn't
>going to happen.
>
>Again just my opinion, but it
>is just way too easy
>to get a firearm. Several
>times I have been at
>the city range and either
>felt uncomfortable with the people
>next to me or just
>up and left because they
>were unsafe or had no
>respect for the firearm. The
>last time I was there
>I grabbed my boys and
>up and left because the
>joker next to me thought
>he was in a Sylvester
>Stallone movie. I just thought
>to myself at the time
>that we should have to
>obtain a gun license similar
>to a driver?s license that
>proves we are competent to
>own a firearm. I don't
>see why anyone would have
>any objection to that as
>long as the requirements were
>reasonable. Going that route would
>hopefully weed out a lot
>of the people who have
>no business owning a firearm.
> I know this is
>blasphemy to many of you,
>but the original post asked
>what we thought and there
>is my take.
>
>I have kids in school and
>shouldn't have to think about
>something like this happening to
>them, but here we are.
>Until we are willing to
>compromise on both sides nothing
>is going to change.

You just made my point.

NMPaul · May 18, 2018

Armed guards at schools are a no brainer. Not even worth discussing. Should be done now.

We pay for the stupidest things at schools, no reason why we could not have armed guards.

Also, 90% of schools have teachers, coaches etc that were Vets, and if they volunteered and got paid a little extra to carry, they could teach their class or coach their teams with a side arm.

Ridiculous not to be doing this 10 years ago when school shootings became copycat issues.

The left is 100% responsible for the decline of our culture. The blame sits squarely their lap, but they are masters of diverting blame. All you need to do is look at a group of NRA members and a group of leftists and you know who the people that hate this country are.

Hopefully people are smartening up to the media lies.

RoughCountry · May 18, 2018

IMO That kid that killed all the school kids in Santa Fe , Texas should be exacted within this year. I blame liberals for the screwed up way America is today.....anything goes.

MQ1_4_LIFE · May 19, 2018

In my opinion, the fundamental issue that is not being addressed is that we are presently living in a society with a growing percentage of that population believing that it is OK to kill someone.

You can take away the guns, but if you do not get to the root of the problem, people are still going to find ways to kill others.

Parents are not parenting anymore. You have familial units that are all glued to a screen in their palm, sucked into a world vastly different from the person who sits right next to them. This problem is going to be exacerbated in future generations, for a number of reasons, but mostly because of a sort of a crazy feed back loop that is developing.

Through social media, internet forums, etc., a person with delusional thoughts can easily find like minded others, who both support and encourage illicit behavior and actions. Once someone actually acts out on this craziness, they are rewarded with their 15 minutes of fame by the media that provides 24/7 coverage of the situation.

Its really a shame, and I feel such sadness for all of the victims, the families, the teachers, and the communities that have been forced to face this madness head on. Its truly traumatic and upsetting that students in todays America have a legitimate reason to be afraid to go to school.

I do not think there is an easy fix to this situation. Like I said, if you take away every single gun in America, which I realize is a huge improbability, but as a thought experiment, say that you can magically confiscate all of them. How long do you think it would take before these misguided, troubled individuals begin using their cars to bowl over crowds? There are probably an infinite number of ways that they can inflict the pain that they wish to inflict.

Parents need to grow a pair, stop pointing the finger at the NRA, Hunters, "Gun Nuts", and otherwise responsible gun owners. The parents need to turn the finger around and point it back at themselves. They have in some way, shape or form failed their kids if they have raised someone who believes it to be OK to kill another human being.

Its not my intention to piss anyone off. I am just saying, lets get to the root of the problem, whatever it may be.

264mag · May 19, 2018

RUBBERS

throwfar · May 19, 2018

Good points, and I agree. My wife works for the schools and makes next to nothing, but she is comfortable carrying a concealed weapon. Might be another option.

Oryxrus · May 20, 2018

Nailed it!

Oryxrus · May 20, 2018

Couldn?t agree more.. Bobby

arzdave · May 20, 2018

>We defiantly have a major problem
>that no one seems able
>to or willing to address.
> In my opinion a
>lot of ?us? are the
>problem. Saying the ?gun grabbers?
>or ?liberal this or that?
>is one of the biggest
>roadblocks to any viable solution.
>It goes both ways. The
>other side is screaming ?gun
>lover? or ?NRA this or
>that?. When you start off
>a conversation with that you
>basically shut down the conversation
>before it even begins.
>
>My opinion and my opinion only,
>but God in schools, the
>work place, or elsewhere is
>not the answer. I am
>not religious in any way
>shape or form so maybe
>I don't know what I
>am talking about, but where
>was God when all of
>these kids, the ones in
>Florida, or the people at
>the Las Vegas shooting were
>massacred?
>
>You do bring up a good
>point. This type of thing
>didn't happen 30 years ago.
>The truth of it is
>that times have changed and
>we are never going back
>to that time or that
>type of thinking. Good
>or bad we live in
>a different time and hoping
>to go back to the
>good old days just isn't
>going to happen.
>
>Again just my opinion, but it
>is just way too easy
>to get a firearm. Several
>times I have been at
>the city range and either
>felt uncomfortable with the people
>next to me or just
>up and left because they
>were unsafe or had no
>respect for the firearm. The
>last time I was there
>I grabbed my boys and
>up and left because the
>joker next to me thought
>he was in a Sylvester
>Stallone movie. I just thought
>to myself at the time
>that we should have to
>obtain a gun license similar
>to a driver?s license that
>proves we are competent to
>own a firearm. I don't
>see why anyone would have
>any objection to that as
>long as the requirements were
>reasonable. Going that route would
>hopefully weed out a lot
>of the people who have
>no business owning a firearm.
> I know this is
>blasphemy to many of you,
>but the original post asked
>what we thought and there
>is my take.
>
>I have kids in school and
>shouldn't have to think about
>something like this happening to
>them, but here we are.
>Until we are willing to
>compromise on both sides nothing
>is going to change.

RRS, I couldn't agree more. I too have been at the range and had the misfortune to see idiots there who were the best example of the need for stricter gun control. I don't have kids in school but am deeply saddened by the events of last week and the past year.

Servehim · May 20, 2018

>Armed guards at schools are a
>no brainer. Not even
>worth discussing. Should be
>done now.
>
>We pay for the stupidest things
>at schools, no reason why
>we could not have armed
>guards.
>
>Also, 90% of schools have teachers,
>coaches etc that were Vets,
>and if they volunteered and
>got paid a little extra
>to carry, they could teach
>their class or coach their
>teams with a side arm.
>
>
>Ridiculous not to be doing this

>10 years ago when school
>shootings became copycat issues.
>
>The left is 100% responsible for
>the decline of our culture.
> The blame sits squarely
>their lap, but they are
>masters of diverting blame.
> All you need to
>do is look at a
>group of NRA members and
>a group of leftists and
>you know who the people
>that hate this country are.
>
>
>Hopefully people are smartening up to
>the media lies.

Armed guards no doubt will help but the $$ might be prohibitive, I also see an evil person bent on destruction would target a unsuspecting guard first off. I'm more inclined to reward willing teachers / school staff that will carry concealed to be our children's safety net. Stupid to handcuff the teachers / staff willing to serve in this capacity because of a Teachers Union and Liberal school board. So tired of the (liberal minority ) tail wagging the ( common sense) majority dog .