Governors Tag Hunters

kidoelk777 · Nov 18, 2018

Have any Governors Tag elk or deer been harvested this year?

roadrunner · Nov 19, 2018

A friend of mine is taking a deer govr's tag guy out early next month.

throwfar · Nov 19, 2018

GT Nunn's crew got a 390ish bull in September with one of them. I don't have any pictures to post on here but it's under his InstaGram.

nmbowhunter · Nov 19, 2018

>GT Nunn's crew got a 390ish
>bull in September with one
>of them. I don't have
>any pictures to post on
>here but it's under his
>InstaGram.

That was just a normal draw hunter..not a governor tag

kidoelk777 · Dec 5, 2018

I heard two of the Governors Tag mule deer hunters already filled there tags. Has anyone seen pics? I heard they were right around 200 inches.

TineMaster · Dec 6, 2018

Yes both tags have been filled! They both are great bucks within that range.

Aren't you the same guy every year who is hell bent on seeing the gov tag holders haha I guess I don't blame ya

kidoelk777 · Dec 7, 2018

Yup! Love to see what was harvested every year.

Ghosthorn · Dec 8, 2018

One gov tag buck scored in the mid/high 190?s typical

The other scores 205? typical

Great bull over 400? with matching kickers

Antelope over 90? not guided by pronghorn guide service

kidoelk777 · Dec 9, 2018

Are there any pics? I think there is still one more hunter hunting because there are three tags. Thanks for the info.

Ghosthorn · Dec 9, 2018

Still two mule deer hunters waiting to shoot. And I believe 3 elk tags still need to be filled.

Yote_Slayer · Dec 9, 2018

Who guided the 400? Bull?

live4muleys · Dec 9, 2018

How many gov tags are there?

Muleman · Dec 9, 2018

LAST EDITED ON Dec-09-18 AT 07:19PM (MST)[p]Too freaking many.

For deer and elk there is 1 auction tag, 1 raffle tag, and 1 in each of the 5 combined species auctions. There is the 2 draw tags so a total of 5 elk and 5 deer. Don?t forget the government banquet auction tags that can be used 5 days prior to what ever season selected but by unit instead of statewide.

Ibex and there is 4 too I believe.

The G&F are selling our wildlife it's totally BS. All tags should be raffle and non transferable. Sorry for my soap box gov tags make me mad.

roadrunner · Dec 10, 2018

"Antelope over 90? not guided by pronghorn guide service"

There was a buck I was watching since April for a youth hunter and some jackwagon clued a gov'rs tag in and shot it. Came in right at 90...

EliAGrimmett · Dec 10, 2018

LAST EDITED ON Dec-10-18 AT 07:58PM (MST)[p]There was also an antelope over 90".

http://www.monstermuleys.info/photos/user_photos_2018/6426011.jpg

www.PronghornGuideService.com

passthrough · Dec 11, 2018

Thats what happens when bucks that big live next to the freaking highway....IDK how that makes him a "jackwagon" but whatever makes you feel better about it

plough · Dec 11, 2018

LAST EDITED ON Dec-11-18 AT 05:55PM (MST)[p]>LAST EDITED ON Dec-09-18
>AT 07:19?PM (MST)
>
>Too freaking many.
>
>For deer and elk there is
>1 auction tag, 1 raffle
>tag, and 1 in each
>of the 5 combined species
>auctions. There is the 2
>draw tags so a
>total of 5 elk and
>5 deer. Don?t forget
>the government banquet auction tags
>that can be used 5
>days prior to what ever
>season selected but by unit
>instead of statewide.
>
>Ibex and there is 4 too
>I believe.
>
>The G&F are selling our wildlife
>it's totally BS. All
>tags should be raffle and
>non transferable. Sorry for
>my soap box gov tags
>make me mad.

I don't know how much all of the tags have raised in revenue so I doubt you do either....but the first 2 rmef sponsored bull tags raised 1.7 million as of 2013...im sure its way over 2 million now for about 30 tags...as for transferring the tag why not? you can sell the raffle to nonhunters that way...All that money stays in nm for all wildlife...a vast majority of the gov tags are killed on private land ...if somebody wants to pay 75,000 for a tag to kill a bull on private land that he could have bought for 10,000 what do you care? some people like to show their money but the majority of the tag buyers know they are paying too much and want to help the cause which is me and you and the resource..they didn't get wealthy being stupid...we as hunters have to put our money where our mouth is and don't criticize those that do...the anti hunters love it when we do

roadrunner · Dec 12, 2018

It makes him a "jackwagon" for trying to make a name for himself and bastardizing hunting even more than what it has already morphed itself into.

All for the finders fee crap so a trigger man can show up and take an animal others spend time and energy into tracking and watching for the chance they may get with a PUBLIC LAND, PUBLIC DRAW TAG they draw.

Yeah, it makes me feel better...

passthrough · Dec 12, 2018

With all due respect...he wasn't in it to make a name for himself, he needs no recognition from anyone. Hunting takes all forms, most people know that, we are all entitled to our opinions and beliefs. Not saying you are wrong, but I'm not saying you're right. There is a place for auction tag/gov tag hunters. The revenue they bring to conservation is undeniable. Whether the department uses that wisely or not is irrelevant. What is hunting?? Is it driving around drinking beer shooting stuff from the truck? Is it walking miles in the dark, glassing, being selective about your harvest? Is it filling you tag with the first legal animal? Is it sitting at camp, never really leaving to hunt even when you have a tag? Is it poaching? If you ask 10 hunters what is hunting...the answers will all be different. So how can you pass judgement on another form of hunting?

throwfar · Dec 12, 2018

Hunting to me is spending time with my family, making memories, chasing bulls/bucks, pushing my physical/mental limits, and providing clean food. I hate it when it gets perverted into killing trophies, undeniable as the financial benefits may be. I hate seeing a bull/buck on the roof of truck driving through town, not only does it make the hunter look like a jackass, but imagine how it makes someone who is borderline anti-hunter feel. They were saying on the meat eater podcast how negative the general public see's trophy hunting, which I agree with. The public is who really controls if we will be able to hunt in the future as unfair as it may be, but if we want a future of hunting we should probably consider how trophy hunting makes us look.

passthrough · Dec 12, 2018

I consider myself a trophy hunter but You'll never see me with an animal strapped to the hood. I have morals and ethics.
Most hunters have those. Some don't, period. Probably not wise to lump all trophy hunters into categories. I've seen my fair share of forkies and raghorns across the hood of a jeep. I enjoy the challenge of killing older age class animals, like I said we all have our reasons, none being more important than others. I know Steven, and I love his show, his ethics and morals, but lets be clear, there are times when he is a trophy hunter just like me. When he has a premium tag in his pocket, especially mule deer, he isn't shooting a forky just for the meat. Just like all things in life the fools give us all a label. "Trophy hunters are pigs" "AR-15's kill people" "Black guns are bad" and on and on. Mitigating the squabbling among sportsman over who is right and who is wrong is what will save our sport, not public opinion. Just adding perspective boys

Ghosthorn · Dec 17, 2018

Did some research on this jackwagon. I can't find anything about this antelope. Are you sure it even happened??? If someone was trying to make a name for themselves, I would think that it would be all over social media?
Regardless of your connection with this antelope I found out they didn't harvest him until after the bow and mobility impaired hunts were over? Some guy from Texas found the pronghorn and he and his friend teamed with the outfitter and they shot the buck. I was told that this same guy had a 200? plus mule deer found for the same hunter. Sounds like the guy is pretty hardcore.
I know it's hard for some people to see a wealthy man or woman come in and take the largest animals year after year. But you could write a check and have same opportunity.

GilaCoues1 · Dec 17, 2018

This goes against the north american model of wildlife management!!!!! The old model in Europe only allows royalty to hunt, do we want that here in the US? I don't. The more we allow this happen, the more we sell our ourselves to the "Old World" way of "managing wildlife". Do not let this happen!!!! The North American Model of Wildlife Management allows everyone to hunt every species. Let's make a stand!!!!!! Quality and opportunity hunters should be making the same argument, keep hunting alive in the US!!

passthrough · Dec 18, 2018

Last time I checked we all had the same opportunity. Many of these trophy animals are taken on public land, and many times after all of the general hunts are concluded. So regular hunters had their opportunity. 5 Gov tags for deer including the public draw tag, compared to the 31,000 available tags sounds like less than 1% for the "royalty", nice story tho....LMAO

live4muleys · Dec 18, 2018

+1 Passthrough

If you look at bighorn sheep they would basically have to increase the price of tags by $8000 each in order to make up the difference that they would lose if they took out the Governor tags.

The one thing I would change is that you have to use the same weapon for the hunt that is going on at that time. During Bow you have to use a bow, during muzzle loader you have to use a muzzle loader, all other dates you can use a rifle. Manly just for safety purposes, I don't want to be 25 yds from a bull during bow season and someone shoot at them with the rifle. I know you could be 25 yds during rifle season and the same thing happen, but just a little more likely during bow season to have to get in that close.

TX_Diver · Dec 18, 2018

As far as I know NM is one of the states with fewer governor/auction tags?

Look at Utah for a state that actually has a lot of "conservation tags". Up to 5% or 8 tags/hunt! That's a lot more than 5 tags/species.

https://wildlife.utah.gov/hunting/biggame/pdf/2018_conservation_permits.pdf

https://wildlife.utah.gov/pdf/conservation_permit_report_2018.pdf

GilaCoues1 · Dec 26, 2018

Contemplated on this quite a bit, as I want to convey a message of common sense, rather than emotionally based ranting. Passthrough, you are right in that the number of "gov. tags" does not send the message that hunting is only for the "royalty". I only want to convey the message that 99% of what NMDGF does is based on socially based management, which for most of the "passionate" hunters is based on the number of inches of antler an animal has, not whether or not a population is being "managed" or not. which for deer, the population is not being managed, only the buck portion is affected. I just don't want us to go down the path of only the rich get to hunt in the future.

Muleman · Jan 12, 2019

>Last time I checked we all
>had the same opportunity.
>Many of these trophy animals
>are taken on public land,
>and many times after all
>of the general hunts are
>concluded. So regular hunters
>had their opportunity. 5
>Gov tags for deer including
>the public draw tag, compared
>to the 31,000 available tags
>sounds like less than 1%
>for the "royalty", nice story
>tho....LMAO

Same chance my A$$. I get 5 day hunts in November and they get 4 months anywhere in state or 5 days prior to best hunts in a unit. Nothing fair or fair chase about gov tags

Muleman · Jan 12, 2019

>Last time I checked we all
>had the same opportunity.
>Many of these trophy animals
>are taken on public land,
>and many times after all
>of the general hunts are
>concluded. So regular hunters
>had their opportunity. 5
>Gov tags for deer including
>the public draw tag, compared
>to the 31,000 available tags
>sounds like less than 1%
>for the "royalty", nice story
>tho....LMAO

The same opportunity?? BS!! I put in for poor drawing odds hunts, for 5 days in November or October and Gov tags get 4 months to go anywhere and do whatever they want.

There is nothing fair or fair chase about Gov tags.

NMBOWHNTR27 · Jan 29, 2019

LAST EDITED ON Jan-29-19 AT 03:35PM (MST)[p]>>Last time I checked we all
>>had the same opportunity.
>>Many of these trophy animals
>>are taken on public land,
>>and many times after all
>>of the general hunts are
>>concluded. So regular hunters
>>had their opportunity. 5
>>Gov tags for deer including
>>the public draw tag, compared
>>to the 31,000 available tags
>>sounds like less than 1%
>>for the "royalty", nice story
>>tho....LMAO
>
>
>The same opportunity?? BS!! I
>put in for poor drawing
>odds hunts, for 5 days
>in November or October and

>Gov tags get 4 months
>to go anywhere and do
>whatever they want.
>
>There is nothing fair or fair
>chase about Gov tags.

I don't have any problem with a few Gov. tags being auction and bought. Those lucky few hunters that buy those tags pay thousands if not 100?s of thousands for 1 animal. So I think yes they should be able to do almost whatever they want to do that's legal. All those $$$ go to conservation or most of the $$$ do. It's all fair and fair chase. Just because most of the time they have guides doesn't mean it's a guarantee they all still have to go and find that animal. Also that animal is usually a perfect animal to take. They are of older age class and have probably done a lot of breeding. I think it's a lot of jealousy IMO because they can afford to do it. No offense just my 2 cents.
I would love to see the pics of those animals however.