WY NR's get your wallets out...

Ask jims how much the Legislature is looking out for him as a NR hunter...

"It will never happen"...is something I learned YEARS ago to never say. Bites you in the a$$ more often than not, been there, done that.

You know, things like, "They'll never lower NR quotas to no more than 10%"...

I also dont hear much but crickets...funny how that works?
 
I hope they get this figured out before the deer antelope deadine this year....whats the likely hood of that happening???
 
i understand 2014 would be the season that has the increases applied to tags....but if they decide to jack the prices up, i hope we will know before the 2013 deadline, so i can try and burn my antelope points and not get suckered into a high tag fee...my plan was to just buy points once again this year but if increase are happening would like to get in on 2013...
 
Yes but the cost increase next year mean some people want to get out now before it is too late. Just saying. I figured it was coming and when it will pass I am really stuck at 1 under max and the tag increases... Just the way it goes. Hopefully my taking it in the butt will keep you all with random tags.
 
Another way to look it at...lots of point holders will likely bail this year and use up their points.

I'd be banking on 2014 being the best year in a longgg time to snag a great tag. Less points, and less applicants because of the price.

I'll testify against this one as well...its BS to single out the NR's on a fee increase. In particular when they (NR's) fund a majority of the G&F budget now.
 
>Ask jims how much the Legislature
>is looking out for him
>as a NR hunter...
>
>"It will never happen"...is something I
>learned YEARS ago to never
>say. Bites you in the
>a$$ more often than not,
>been there, done that.
>
>You know, things like, "They'll never
>lower NR quotas to no
>more than 10%"...
>
>I also dont hear much but
>crickets...funny how that works?

Buzz you re correct. I never doubt what people will do... I had accepted the fact that we were going to get stuck. However looking at things I do not see where they are adjusting the resident fees at all? Or did I miss that?
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-26-13 AT 01:08PM (MST)[p]I couldn't get it to come up? what is it? must be bad if elks96 and buzz are excited
 
>LAST EDITED ON Jan-26-13
>AT 01:08?PM (MST)
>
>I couldn't get it to come
>up? what is it? must
>be bad if elks96 and
>buzz are excited

It is the price increase bill as proposed earlier, just no increases imposed on residents all non resident increases... Which will go over well!!! Actually pisses me off a bit, but that is the way it goes! The elected officials have to answer to the voters of the state. All I know is that my trips to WY due to economy etc. are already fewer and further in between and now with other increases they may get worse. But such is life.
 
The state legislature is full of nuts, you should see the one this district elected last year.
Because nobody much ever watches ,small town politicians are full of corruption, greed and stupidity, and there are nothing but small towns in Wyoming.
 
Figured this might be coming! My rep had told me not long ago he favored a rate increase on non-rezi's, but not so much with the residents. Just sent out a couple emails supporting the proposal. We'll do more tomorrow when I have some time.

I'm gonna guess there's a decent number of resident MM members who've been silent around here during the past few weeks. I'd encourage you guys to call or email your reps supporting this proposal...
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-26-13 AT 02:41PM (MST)[p]Where do you think you get the money from? If you piss the nonresidents off they will not come and your prices will go up anyways.

I will also be contacting the reps and letting them know how I feel about this. Since it is my money and money of NR that fund the department, they will likely listen...
 
So if I read it right over $1200 for special elk? $780 for special Deer and $600+ for special antelope? Just making sure I understand.


Buzz who do I need to contact about this one?
 
Have you looked at the non rezi draw odds lately. Demand far exceeds supply and still will even if a bunch of non rezi's bail. A lot of residents will support this bill. I also wouldn't be surprised if the WYGOA didn't have some input on this.
 
This is WYOGAS bill. And I dont support it. You guys thought I was the enemy. The fair lic fee proposal was an opotional fee on all applicants not just non residents. I am told this may not pass either.But they are going to get the dough somewhere.
 
They said the same in MT and ID when they increased money. I am sure you will still sell tags but at what cost? I do not think many will bail because we are getting screwed over a barrel... Keep my 7 years of points and stay the course or cash in? Again. prime example why a preference point system sucks...
 
here is communication I got friday from the house.

Mr. Strang,



Sorry I have not gotten back with you as I fast as I would have liked. We have mountains of bills to read. Today the G & F fee hikes failed in committee, 8-1 No votes. We will discuss it in a study this summer. I would like to bring up your ideas during those committee meetings. I hope they will be in an area where you can attend and explain your plan in detail.



If your bill ends up in TRW, and I believe it will, I will consider your amendments.



Thank you so much for staying engaged.



Rep Lynn Hutchings

House District 42
 
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2 different bills...136 didnt pass.

HB236 was just introduced Friday 1/25 and took out the resident fee increase...so NR fees are only going up in the new bill (hb236).

Strang, may be smart to start a new thread regarding your idea and proposed bill.

Theres so many chit bills, you cant keep them all straight.

...and we pay these knuckleheads for this???

brdhunter...I dont think type-6 or youth licenses will increase.
 
I think it will be interesting to see how this goes. My guess is they will no longer be concerned about hunting becoming a "rich mans" sport now that they do not have any constituents to answer to. Classic politics.
 
I was aware this was another bill. WYOGA has had it in the "woodpile" for quite awhile
 
Or they could make ya buy a nonrefundable hunting license before ya put in for a license or even just point hmmmmm!
 
If I were a resident of Wyoming, I would be more than embarrassed to say I support this Bill with absolutely no increase whatsoever in resident fees. Then again, there's a lot of Triple_BBs with the mememe attitude and support of it, which doesn't surprise me one bit. I can and will pay whatever they come up with because someone has to support the strong hunting heritage that Wyoming represents. Too bad that a good share of the residents don't seem to feel that way about their home state---sad, very very sad!!!
 
I'm a resident and I sure don't support it. The cheap resident fees are a joke, it wouldn't hurt one bit to raise them, especially on the buck and bull tags.
 
Wyoming has the most spoiled hunters in the west.We can buy deer,elk,bear,and lion tags OTC.Even though we can all afford $15 more for a deer or antelope tag,we cry like little girls if we actually have to pay it.

Well,I don't.If you can't afford to pay that,maybe you should take up a cheaper hobby.Good grief.

Hunting becoming a rich man's sport?To an extent,it already is.

If license fees are raised for residents,the license will still be the cheapest part of the hunt.
 
I've lost alot of respect for WY. Price alot of non res. right out of the state then beg you turn in a poacher, not anymore thats on them .

They are really changing the way I look at the state. I'm not even putting in for anything in WY this year. I know they don't care but neither do I ! I'm just getting sick of all of it ! $$$$
 
One thought that just came to mind so there isn't such dramatic differences between res/nonres tag prices is to have regular and special priced tag pool options for residents. Res could still have the choice of applying for the less priced tags but possibly better draw odds with the higher priced tags.

Another idea would be to have charge a higher fee for high demand tags/units (similar to NM) but for BOTH res and nonres.

As pointed out in an earlier post all nonres tags will be purchased no matter what the pricetag. It just seems a little odd that res aren't held accountable for part of this?
 
Higher tag fees for res for hard to draw units has been suggested many times by many people.Wy G&F still has the attitude that they need to take care of the poor guy.Truth be known,I'm pretty sure "poor guys" don't do much hunting anymore.

Meanwhile,they sure don't seem to give a dang about the NR "poor guys".

You can't have it both ways.

Then to top it all off,all of this has to go through the legislature,who like to play poitics and pander to their buddies.
 
Too bad for some in situations that will not allow them to still be able to keep up with all the $$$ and this new system, but wages and family do come first and have a large impact on other an/or hunting spending.

However, this is great news for them that can, and they will have a great time continuing to enjoy the great outdoors of Wyoming and enjoy hunting there with much better draw odds down the road in a few years!!!

I for one will not loss mine, all my boys and my wifes points. However, I will use them in the next few years as quick as the current system in place allows and go hunting else where. MY loss and I hate to think about it!!!

I know the state will always sell all of the limited area tags no matter what the price is and make their $$$. However, I will take my $175.00 yearly bonus point fees ($75 moose, $50 elk, $40 deer & $30 antelope)and yearly application fees and put them towards other states that I already hunt. This $$$ amount times five for me, my wife and my boys will pay for a great hunt in another state every couple years, which is more then I hunt Wyoming, building points and waiting to hunt. I cannot hunt every state ever year that I would like to anyways with what time and funds I have so I will put my time and money towards a few hunts that I can hunt on a regular bases.

I also beleive that Wyoming will loss $$$ on some of the less desired units (some of the general deer, elk and antelope units that are less desired and may go unfilled without collecting $$$. I hope they make their projected $$$ target and it don't come out a wash or just half way there, but it is their projection and in their mind the best solution that they have come up with.

Not wanting sympathy or trying to start something over the internet, just stating what this hunter believe I will do in my situation with the new system coming into play in Wyoming. I know the state has to come up with $$$ to fund everything and this is there way. I wish them the best. I too work for a state department and have go through the legislative works yearly to try to get funds for working expenses, wages, ect and know what Wyoming is going through with the economy where it is and has been for the past several years.Best of luck to Wyoming!!!

I will enjoy the great outdoors of Wyoming on a few great hunts over the next several years until all of our points are used and then I will just camp, hike, fish, hunt coyotes, sight see the game in the winter and go to Yellowstone and enjoy Wyoming in other ways while I hunt in other states I already hunt in!!!

Just my perspective and what I believe this hunter will do in my situation with the new Wyoming system!!!!
 
I feel for them but there comes a time when enough is enough! They need to live within their means just like we do. We need to stand together just like the attack on our right to Keep And Bear Arms. Some of us are better off than others but that doesn't mean we shouldn't stand together. I plan on hunting Wyoming this year but if they raise there prices I'm not going back and they're going to lose me and seven more hunters. We should stand together, boycott the state for one year and buy a preference point if need be. Lets let them know they're not going to gouge us non-residents but first lets see what happens.

quest
 
I'll pay whatever I have to pay I don't care, I have too many points to stop now and they know it.

After I burn my points though if they want to sell gold plated points I'm out, I think most NR hunters are in the same boat. the best cure for high prices is always high prices.













Stay thirsty my friends
 
I wondering if the reason that legislature nixed the idea of license fees on resident hunters is because of the anticipation that the preference point legislation will pass & that alone will tack $20 a point per species for elk/deer/antelope. I know that's not a lot in the non-res minds for residents to pay, but legislators didn't want to hear from constituents that they effectively doubled the tag fees with across the board increases AND a pref point fee. Just my 2c worth.
 
The Wolf tags should be FREE with a set limit of tags to balance the packs........how about 100 tags each season to balance the mangy critters.

Then in a year or two do away with the hunt till more wonder over from the park......then have it started it again to keep them in check.

Brian
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Pref point issue for res comes up about every two years hasnt passed yet probably wont make it this time. It's about votes!
 
Not really sure president of game and fish commision told me what I posted. Many times public comment does not get rolling until it hits second body.
 
Looks like HB0236 non res tag fees will be as follows ANT $400 reg $700 spec, DEER $480 reg $780spec, ELK $650 reg $1250 spec plus $17 app fee plus any point fees. With an ammendment to change the ratio of spec to reg tags to the reverse of what it is now.
 
Can't say I am very happy about this to say the least! I guess it could only be expected with the gold rush that MT and ID have experienced. The question I have is why would WYOGA be FOR this?
 
>Looks like HB0236 non res tag
>fees will be as follows
>ANT $400 reg $700 spec,
>DEER $480 reg $780spec, ELK
>$650 reg $1250 spec plus
>$17 app fee plus any
>point fees. With an ammendment
>to change the ratio of
>spec to reg tags to
>the reverse of what it
>is now.

Talk about a one sided approach to funding solutions. I will once again send a second round of letters in regards to my disapproval.

Thanks for keeping us updated. It was hard to swallow when it was resident and nonresidents, now it is even worse with just NR getting hit.
 
Yep, the other Bill was bad enough with the residents included, but this one is a real slap in the face to NRs who pay 80% of the G&F budget already. I guess maybe the WYGOA figures that they cater to people who have the big money to do guided hunts and they'll continue to go and they aren't looking at the overall picture that this just might backfire on the state as a whole like it did Idaho and Montana.
 
Piper is something else. Complaining that resident prices are too cheap!!! What a freakin joke. Since when do people start comlaining about prices being too cheap?!!! One guy stated on here already that those that complain about prices being cheap or have to comment on something that has no validation about the bills mentioned really are ignorant of what they are talking about and really should do some soul searching. Spoiled was the word used and yup I agree. Ha coming from a "resident" that claims Colorado has it figured out. Why the hell are you living in Wyoming there prices are too cheap for you.
 
Might want to rename the Wyoming Game and Fish to the Non Resident Game and Fish seeing how they pay for most of their budget.Two bad winters in a row and they would go bankrupt.
 
Yup, nothing like taking a really great thing and messing with it. Raising nonresident fees isn't the answer to financing a department that is responsible for far more than the wildlife we hunt. Raising resident fees isn't the answer either, even if they are the cheapest in the region. Hunting has always been a privilege. It is only a matter of time before the privileged get out priced to the next level. Then those privileged can get priced out until only a very small fraction of who used to hunt will still be able to. I'm still among the privileged who can hunt still, though can't afford out of state hunts. Others have already been priced out altogether. My time will no doubt come and then some of those here will have their time when they won't be able to afford it and will realize it is not always about it being a priority. Enough rant for one day...
 
Yep one of WOGA'S cheif officers said "he salavates at the idea of higher non res fees to thin out freelance applicants. AND better look out for hb260 just came up may sneak through.
 
"Piper is something else. Complaining that resident prices are too cheap!!! What a freakin joke. Since when do people start comlaining about prices being too cheap?!!!"

Answer---When they ARE too cheap just like the Wyoming resident fees he, BuzzH, and I have mentioned that don't even account for 20% of the overall G&F budget. They could easily double every resident fee on the books and they would still be damn cheap!!! Sounds like you're one of the freeloaders BuzzH was talking about to make that stupid post! Meanwhile all us NRs will supply G&F with 80% of their money so you can go cheap!!! Sad, very very sad!
 
Topgun- LOL!!! You are something as well assuming that I side with the freeloaders. NR's will ALWAYS complain about anything they don't like in any state. So for you to throw me in that "group" shame on you. Let Piper fight his own battle. This ain't highschool and you have to chime in for him. My statement was just that its kind of ridiculous when residents complain that tags are too cheap. If anything they should complain that they are too high right? You don't want to hunt Wyoming because of the price increase thats your choice. Getting upset over something that has minimal impact on us long term is even worse. How about getting mad at Obama for this gun control horse #####? I am not going to continue to get off topic like I have. I will not however back down from some SOB that gets on here and accuses me of piggy backing someones idea/plan. So be careful your comments.
 
TreeEM,

Nice work...telling NR's they shouldnt have an opinion on the G&F budgeting issues.

Thats pretty funny, considering they fund 75% of it.

Its also kind of odd that I dont hear a lot about you or any other Resident asking questions of the State Legislature, G&F, etc. about why they feel that NR's should be saddled with the entire shortfall?

Its also funny that I havent heard you come up with a single solution for any non-traditional funding, so that license fees arent raised again...and again....and again.

Did you ever stop to think, that if outside funding were found, these types of arguements wouldnt even happen?

Lets just keep kicking the same can down the road, continue to kick the chit out of each other over who's fees should be increased/not increased. Lets not work on solutions or demand that the dumbbells we elect to represent us at the State Legislature, get off their sorry a$$es and come up with solutions.

WE are letting our elected officials off the hook with the G&F budget problem. WE allow them to take the path of least resistance, which is to use hunters as the only source of funding...via fee increases. They've introduced 4 bills already...not a single one to solve the problem other than with license fee increases. All they're doing with that is seeing which fee increase bill will not cost them their next election because they've pi$$ed off their RESIDENT constituents. Thats all they care about. The only reason they pretend to care about Resident hunters is because we can vote them out of office...otherwise, we'd be chopped liver just like the NR's.

Its a joke...and we'll be going through the same thing in another 2 years at the next legislative session, we'll be right back to fighting amoungst ourselves, griping about fee increases, etc.

Thats the best we can do????
 
I don't think the resident fees are too cheap. I am for damn sure neither spoiled or a freeloader...

As stated, continuing to raise fees is not the answer. Tax, fees for other beneficiaries of wildlife, general fund monies for non-game wildlife management. I don't have all the answers. Many here can afford much more. Keep the momentum of fee raising and in time most of you, and certainly your children, will be priced out.
 
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Guys---When the word cheap is used, at least when I make a post, it's relating the fee the resident pays compared to that of the NRs. IMHO all the G&F Departments throughout the western states made a big mistake years ago in saddling the NRs with fees that are 10 or more times that of residents because sooner or later most will get priced out of the ballgame. When one license I buy costs more than what a resident pays for three big game licenses for two or more years it does seem that they are cheap when you're in our shoes. Then when a NR says so we get hammered and told to go elsewhere! Do you realize what would happen to the Wyoming G&F in one year if everyone took you up on that "go somewhere else" statement, LOL?!!! BuzzH and others of us have brought up a good argument in that we need to stop fighting amongst ourselves and come up with alternative ways to fund the resource without continually soaking hunters/anglers with higher fees. Can't some of you guys get together with one of your Legislators and introduce a bill to tack on a fraction of a cent to a motel room, a restaurant meal, a gallon of gas, or something similar and end this squabbling? If that was accomplished, it would allow funding of the Department by everyone, residents and nonresidents alike whether they hunt or fish, and nobody would even feel it!
 
I would suggest if anyone want to make a difference stop attacking each other and express your concerns where it counts and remember e mails are not read if they do not begin with "re:house bill number"
CONTACT LIST

HD 60 Representative John Freeman 2340 North Carolina Way Green River WY 82935 (307) 875-7378 [email protected]
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HD 36 Representative Gerald Gay 364 South Socony Place Casper WY 82609 (307) 265-5187 [email protected]
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HD 24 Representative Samuel Krone P.O. Box 2481 Cody WY 82414 (307) 587-4530 (307) 272-0082 [email protected]
SD 21 Senator Bruce Burns P.O. Box 6027 Sheridan WY 82801 (307) 672-6491 [email protected]
SD 17 Senator Leland Christensen 220 West Alta Alta WY 83414 (307) 353-8204 [email protected]
SD 16 Senator Dan Dockstader P.O. Box 129 Afton WY 83110 (307) 885-9705 [email protected]
SD 01 Senator Ogden Driskill P.O. Box 155 Devils Tower WY 82714 (307) 680-5555 [email protected]
SD 08 Senator Floyd Esquibel 1222 West 31st St Cheyenne WY 82001 (307) 638-6529 [email protected]

Wyoming Game and Fish 307-777-4600
 
Thanks strang! It looks like my fingers are going to be busy for another day or two with all these friggin bills they keep introducing!
 
ALERT ALERT ALERT they moved the fil to another committee to push it through chairperson is:


Representative Michael K. Madden


Party:

Republican



District:

House District 40



Counties:

Johnson/Sheridan



House:

2007-Present




Contact Information:



63 Langdon Road



Buffalo

WY

82834



Home - (307) 684-9356



[email protected]
 
Better circle the wagons and get support on this on it is now in revenue committee silence is defeat on this move!
 
>Better circle the wagons and get
>support on this on it
>is now in revenue committee
>silence is defeat on this
>move!

Since I have not had the chance to keep fully up. Is this on the NR fee only increase and the allocation flip on special draw odds from 40/60 to 60/40? Just want to make sure I understand this. I am not sure how anyone can keep track with all the crap they are tossing around right now.
 
elks96---This Bill is strictly on the NR increase and there is nothing in this one to change from the present 60% reg/40% specal draw ratio for tag. Those percentages are stated in the fiorst part of the bill right after the application fee increase.
 
That and the resident increase as I understand it. It is moving around so fast the print version cant be bought up. but it definately contains the n/r content and speg/reg flip
 
TOPGUN- My mistake was portraying that I am a resident. I am no longer a resident. When I was for many years I NEVER complained that the prices were too cheap. Thats my point in what state do resident hunters say "man I wish the Game and Fish would sure raise the prices". You don't. I thought it was dumb when a person says that the resident fees are too low. But yet talks about how the grass is greener on the other side. You have some valid points I have not come up with ideas. However I do not oppose a slight raise for us. I love Wyoming and I have my spots where I know I can draw every year so I am not worried about it. Yes there needs to be another way for them to come up with the funds. Where? Well thats the mystery. Its easy to call the shots from the outside looking in but we need to take a look from the inside looking out. Just an idea. If I can help hollar.
 
the spec and reg flip is in this it comes somehow from one of the prior bills I dont understand how but It is my understanding that it is there. It was decided that the travel committee was biased so they moved it to the revenue committee. I am getting this stuff from a guy on the floor so i think it is correct
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-29-13 AT 04:38PM (MST)[p]>elks96---This Bill is strictly on the
>NR increase and there is
>nothing in this one to
>change from the present 60%
>reg/40% specal draw ratio for
>tag. Those percentages are
>stated in the fiorst part
>of the bill right after
>the application fee increase.


OK here is my letter...



Rob Winn

To

[email protected]

Mr. Madden,

I am very concerned about HB0236. This bill appears to be a continuation of SB136 which failed to leave committee. While I was not happy with SB0136 it was at least 2 sided and included increased fees be paid by both residents and nonresidents. HB0236 places a tremendous amount of the funding on the shoulders of NR and has no associated cost increase to resident hunters who already enjoy the some of if not the cheapest hunting cost in all the western states. I know many NR hunters who have bought into the current points system in WY. Many of them already have 7 years worth of points built up and feel truly trapped and betrayed by this move.

They are faced with a hard decision. Keep building points which they have already spent years building and several hundred dollars or cash out and get the heck out of WY hunting. Simply put a nonresident with max points in Deer, Elk, and Antelope have already spent over $400 on just points. They are stuck and are not happy about this at all. Many will stay the course, but once they cash in they may very well never return to WY.

I have many friends who have already switched from hunting WY every year or every other prior to points to not hunting in WY for 7 years now. Add to the fact that all nonresident tag fees go up with the unfair move to keep residents at the lowest cost in the western states and many will simply take their business to another state that is not screwing them over(sorry for the wording, but there is no other way to put it).

I ask that your committee treat this bill in the same manner that the senate bill was treated. There are simply many other funding options to help off set the short fall of the wildlife department. Assign a task force or a group to come up with a workable solution to funding of all wildlife programs. Do not simply keep increasing the cost on hunters, specifically Nonresident hunters. Believe it or not every year Nonresident hunters make hard decisions where to spend their limited incomes and their decision is easily influenced by fairness and quality. If you doubt this look at how MT and Idaho have struggled since increasing the prices for tags. For the first time ever MT had to pay for advertising to try and sell tags.

Please look at this closely and hold off on making any changes until a good proposal that is balanced and fair can be adopted.

Sincerely,

Robert Winn
 
strang---Unless the Bill has been changed/amended from what BuzzH has in the link in his initial post, the 40% tag allocation mentioned for deer, antelope, and elk is in the section describing the special license fees and percentages. Therefore, there would be no change from what is presently law.
 
Non residents will pay the fees regardless of what they are charged just as I do in other states when my fees are increased, so what is the issue here? Are people whining the prices will rise? Nobody favors issuing additional licenses to increase revenue, nobody likes an increase in license fees, nobody likes increased taxes, but everyone wants better management and easy access...
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-30-13 AT 09:11AM (MST)[p]The real issue is value vs cost and the fact that the bill only look at one way to solve funding issues. While people may still pay more, were now looking at $1200 for special elk, plus the points issue etc. The real issue is it is becoming harder and harder to hunt on a working mans salary as a DIY hunter.

This bill really sucks as it does not look at anything increasing except for the Nonresident Hunters. While the residents enjoy some of (if not the cheapest) tags in WY.

I just hate to see a one direction approach used to solve funding issues. Look at MT and Idaho and how their NR tags suffered as a result of the increased prices. everyone assumed that they would still sell despite the increased cost. Not to mention that many in the current system already feel trapped by point and now we get stuck with a much higher tag fee when we actually draw.

There have been many different funding options proposed including small lodging taxes, energy taxes a fuel tax, etc. But none of those have been considered and now we get a bill that forces money out of the NR while the residents see no change.

Many here actually accepted the fact that our tag cost were going up, and while not happy with it I at least did not feel like I was getting screwed over. Now however with new bill I am getting screwed over as I and ever NR hunter foots the bill again. In 4 years when they need more money will they bump up NR even more?

There has to be other funding solutions out there other than singling out just NR and asking them to foot the bill for all wildlife related activities in the state.

Not to mention this is occurring when the economy sucks and in all honesty the hunting in WY is not that great and usually when a price increase comes along people what to see some added value for that cost...
 
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Tripple it is always so nice when you can add so much to this conversation. Your intelligence, critical thinking and problem solving abilities are amazing!
 
okay finally got full read of hb260 it is an across the board in crease for res and non res with no change in spec percentages. ant n/r up $100,elk n/r up$75, deer n/r up 120. res increase ant $7,deer $7, elk 10. that is how I read it any way. No mention of spec fee margin increase. Looks like leg is trying to throw the G&F a bone. If this passes it wont be near enough and this will be revisited in 2014.http://legisweb.state.wy.us/2013/Introduced/HB0260.pdf I think this link should enable everyone to read bill
 
There are so many Bills popping up that's it's almost impossible to keep them straight. According to the link strang just posted (thanks again Sir) this Bill does not inchange percentages for the two draws, nor does it have an increase in the application fee. It strictly raises fees for everyone, which is of itslef is probably good. However, the question now is if this one passess will it bring in enough money for a long time down the road. I think strang is correct in that the G&F will need to come right back to the table in a couple years asking for more because of the drop in prices compared to the orignal Bill they said was needed to stay afloat.
 
Yep and I know you arent a fan of my proposal. But it is scheduled for review in summer committee sessions. Folks may find it more platable than the other alternatives at that time. But you can bet this is not going to get them thier 8-10 million they are saying they need. They still can get that 60/40 40/60 split slipped in before it goe to the flood with one quick ammendment. Incidently people who dont like hb0260 you dont need a giant letter to let your feeling be known. A simple "I oppose hb0260 is adequate and carries as much weight as lenghy letters.
 
elks96,

You're asking the impossible on a couple fronts.

You have to keep in mind, that you're trying to point out the long-term funding issues with many short-sighted individuals.

Its tough to get WY Residents, Hunters, or the Legislature to look down the road further than the next 24 hours, let alone anything beyond 2014.

The right now, me, me, me crowd has sunk roots, as evidenced on threads like this and by the actions of the Legislature.

One would like to think that those we send to Cheyenne would be able to find a non tradtional funding source for something as important as Wildlife. At the very least, they should be talking with constituents and appointing committees to come up with possible solutions, if they arent smart enough to come up with anything.

But, no...we cant do that. But, we can come up with plenty of time to discuss making it legal to pick up road-killed big-game, establishing the Jack-a-lope as the State Mystical creature, and coming up with nearly 500 other bills to introduce this session.

Nice to see where our wildlife resources rank on the importance scale of the current Legislative body...
 
No. HB0260 was narrowly passed (5-4) out of the House Revenue Committee. It is scheduled for General File (1st reading on Monday).

Two bills addressing G&F funding were held concurrently on Friday. TRW heard HB0236 & Revenue heard HB0260. Both were scheduled for an 8:00 am start. Fortunately, House TRW & Revenue are right next to each other. Did make it difficult to hear all testimonies, comments, etc.

I thought it interesting how many are supporting and pushing for these increases even though they are not hunting organizations. Makes me wonder how many people are trying to tip over the current process in favor of creating a crisis whereby general funds will be required to save the G&F.
 

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