i used my deer points but was looking at draw odds for H and as a non res, how do u figure out how many people would have to pull their applications because of winterkill to help the odds. i apply in special draw but region g and h had more first choice apps than tags available. But region H doesn't have a huge amount of people applying above the available quota. So how do i figure how many would have to drop out for me to draw a H tag in the special draw? Or is it even possible to guestimate a number.
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How many PPs did you have to apply for H in the Special? Last year it took less than 2PPs for a 100% draw. The best thing to get a good idea of where you stand is to see what the G&F does for the total tag numbers that will be issued in a couple months, as they may drop the total tag count due to winter kill. If the tag total stays the same you'll have a good idea if you'll draw based on your PPs.
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With the drop in tag allocation--no doubt--coming ( in the non-ressy tag pool), I would venture to say that to be 100% will take (G) 5.5-6 points in $pecial and 6-6.5 points in regular draw.
You would be going for an H Random tag draw so it is going to be a apply and hope!
Robb
You would be going for an H Random tag draw so it is going to be a apply and hope!
Robb
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My ordering for mule deer winter kill.
1. Fawns
2. Rutted out older bucks
3. Old deer
4. Young bucks
5. Does
6. Mid aged buck
7. Extinct
1. Fawns
2. Rutted out older bucks
3. Old deer
4. Young bucks
5. Does
6. Mid aged buck
7. Extinct
ClearCreek
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>My ordering for mule deer winter
>kill.
>
>1. Fawns
>2. Rutted out older bucks
>3. Old deer
>4. Young bucks
>5. Does
>6. Mid aged buck
>7. Extinct
RoadlessHunter:
I would say:
1 fawns
2 young does
3 old deer
4 does
5 younger bucks
6 older bucks
The reason I order them this way is I watch deer feed all the time and if a mixed group of deer come to the feeder at the same time the most dominate buck eats first, the younger bucks eat second, then the does and the fawns eat last, if at all (the food may be gone by the time they are allowed near where the food was). There is a lot of aggression among the deer while feeding; a lot of kicking and striking other deer with the front feet and using antlers to chase other deer off.
There is definitely a "pecking order" that is followed.
ClearCreek
>kill.
>
>1. Fawns
>2. Rutted out older bucks
>3. Old deer
>4. Young bucks
>5. Does
>6. Mid aged buck
>7. Extinct
RoadlessHunter:
I would say:
1 fawns
2 young does
3 old deer
4 does
5 younger bucks
6 older bucks
The reason I order them this way is I watch deer feed all the time and if a mixed group of deer come to the feeder at the same time the most dominate buck eats first, the younger bucks eat second, then the does and the fawns eat last, if at all (the food may be gone by the time they are allowed near where the food was). There is a lot of aggression among the deer while feeding; a lot of kicking and striking other deer with the front feet and using antlers to chase other deer off.
There is definitely a "pecking order" that is followed.
ClearCreek
As a general rule on hard winters fawns and older bucks that burned all there fat reserves will winter kill more frequently. Older bucks that shed antlers in December and January are often stressed and in survival mode condition.
We won't know all the impacts for 2-3 months in many places. Some already has a lot of winter kill.
We won't know all the impacts for 2-3 months in many places. Some already has a lot of winter kill.
jm77
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>The reason I order them this
>way is I watch deer
>feed all the time and
>if a mixed group of
>deer come to the feeder
>at the same time the
>most dominate buck eats first,
>the younger bucks eat second,
>then the does and the
>fawns eat last, if at
>all (the food may be
>gone by the time they
>are allowed near where the
>food was). There is
>a lot of aggression among
>the deer while feeding; a
>lot of kicking and striking
>other deer with the front
>feet and using antlers to
>chase other deer off.
>
>There is definitely a "pecking order"
>that is followed.
>
>ClearCreek
Comparing winter range to your feeder(is that legal in Wyoming?) are quite two different things. When we had a big winter kill in the spring of 1973, the mature bucks were devastated.
>way is I watch deer
>feed all the time and
>if a mixed group of
>deer come to the feeder
>at the same time the
>most dominate buck eats first,
>the younger bucks eat second,
>then the does and the
>fawns eat last, if at
>all (the food may be
>gone by the time they
>are allowed near where the
>food was). There is
>a lot of aggression among
>the deer while feeding; a
>lot of kicking and striking
>other deer with the front
>feet and using antlers to
>chase other deer off.
>
>There is definitely a "pecking order"
>that is followed.
>
>ClearCreek
Comparing winter range to your feeder(is that legal in Wyoming?) are quite two different things. When we had a big winter kill in the spring of 1973, the mature bucks were devastated.
>Comparing winter range to your feeder(is
>that legal in Wyoming?) are
>quite two different things. When
>we had a big winter
>kill in the spring of
>1973, the mature bucks were
>devastated.
I also thought his order was somewhat backwards because most biologists will tell you that in a bad winter a big percentage of the older males that are in bad shape from the rut along with the young of the year will be the first to go. Yes, there will still be huntable numbers of the older class of bucks this coming season if the weather continues to improve. However, down the line in 3-5 years when the young of this year should be in that better age class is when you'll really see the difference and it will be a negative one.
>that legal in Wyoming?) are
>quite two different things. When
>we had a big winter
>kill in the spring of
>1973, the mature bucks were
>devastated.
I also thought his order was somewhat backwards because most biologists will tell you that in a bad winter a big percentage of the older males that are in bad shape from the rut along with the young of the year will be the first to go. Yes, there will still be huntable numbers of the older class of bucks this coming season if the weather continues to improve. However, down the line in 3-5 years when the young of this year should be in that better age class is when you'll really see the difference and it will be a negative one.
ClearCreek
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LAST EDITED ON Feb-15-17 AT 04:47PM (MST)[p]>
>>The reason I order them this
>>way is I watch deer
>>feed all the time and
>>if a mixed group of
>>deer come to the feeder
>>at the same time the
>>most dominate buck eats first,
>>the younger bucks eat second,
>>then the does and the
>>fawns eat last, if at
>>all (the food may be
>>gone by the time they
>>are allowed near where the
>>food was). There is
>>a lot of aggression among
>>the deer while feeding; a
>>lot of kicking and striking
>>other deer with the front
>>feet and using antlers to
>>chase other deer off.
>>
>>There is definitely a "pecking order"
>>that is followed.
>>
>>ClearCreek
>
>Comparing winter range to your feeder(is
>that legal in Wyoming?) are
>quite two different things. When
>we had a big winter
>kill in the spring of
>1973, the mature bucks were
>devastated.
jm77:
Did I say I was feeding deer? I believe I said, "Watch deer feed".
The only times it is illegal to feed big game in Wyoming is if you are baiting them without the proper permit during the hunting season and, some towns (and maybe a county) have ordinances that prohibit feeding big game.
ClearCreek
>>The reason I order them this
>>way is I watch deer
>>feed all the time and
>>if a mixed group of
>>deer come to the feeder
>>at the same time the
>>most dominate buck eats first,
>>the younger bucks eat second,
>>then the does and the
>>fawns eat last, if at
>>all (the food may be
>>gone by the time they
>>are allowed near where the
>>food was). There is
>>a lot of aggression among
>>the deer while feeding; a
>>lot of kicking and striking
>>other deer with the front
>>feet and using antlers to
>>chase other deer off.
>>
>>There is definitely a "pecking order"
>>that is followed.
>>
>>ClearCreek
>
>Comparing winter range to your feeder(is
>that legal in Wyoming?) are
>quite two different things. When
>we had a big winter
>kill in the spring of
>1973, the mature bucks were
>devastated.
jm77:
Did I say I was feeding deer? I believe I said, "Watch deer feed".
The only times it is illegal to feed big game in Wyoming is if you are baiting them without the proper permit during the hunting season and, some towns (and maybe a county) have ordinances that prohibit feeding big game.
ClearCreek
jm77
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LAST EDITED ON Feb-15-17 AT 08:57PM (MST)[p]Clearcreek said:
<... I watch deer
<feed all the time and
<if a mixed group of
<deer come to the feeder
<at the same time the
<most dominate buck eats first,
<the younger bucks eat second,
<then the does and the
<fawns eat last, if at
<all (the food may be
<gone by the time they
<are allowed near where the
<food was).
I said:
"Comparing winter range to your feeder(is
that legal in Wyoming?) are
quite two different things. When
we had a big winter
kill in the spring of
1973, the mature bucks were
devastated. "
Clearcreek replied:
<"jm77:
<Did I say I was feeding
<deer? I believe I
<said, "Watch deer feed". "
I am curious Clearcreek, can you read what you wrote?
"...I watch deer feed all the time and if a mixed group of deer come to the feeder at the same time..."
So who's feeder are you watching them come to? WOW!
<... I watch deer
<feed all the time and
<if a mixed group of
<deer come to the feeder
<at the same time the
<most dominate buck eats first,
<the younger bucks eat second,
<then the does and the
<fawns eat last, if at
<all (the food may be
<gone by the time they
<are allowed near where the
<food was).
I said:
"Comparing winter range to your feeder(is
that legal in Wyoming?) are
quite two different things. When
we had a big winter
kill in the spring of
1973, the mature bucks were
devastated. "
Clearcreek replied:
<"jm77:
<Did I say I was feeding
<deer? I believe I
<said, "Watch deer feed". "
I am curious Clearcreek, can you read what you wrote?
"...I watch deer feed all the time and if a mixed group of deer come to the feeder at the same time..."
So who's feeder are you watching them come to? WOW!
ClearCreek
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>LAST EDITED ON Feb-15-17
>AT 08:57?PM (MST)
>
>Clearcreek said:
>
><... I watch deer
><feed all the time and
><if a mixed group of
><deer come to the feeder
><at the same time the
><most dominate buck eats first,
><the younger bucks eat second,
><then the does and the
><fawns eat last, if at
><all (the food may be
><gone by the time they
><are allowed near where the
><food was).
>
>
>I said:
>
>"Comparing winter range to your feeder(is
>
>that legal in Wyoming?) are
>quite two different things. When
>we had a big winter
>kill in the spring of
>1973, the mature bucks were
>devastated. "
>
>Clearcreek replied:
>
><"jm77:
>
><Did I say I was feeding
>
><deer? I believe I
><said, "Watch deer feed". "
>
>I am curious Clearcreek, can you
>read what you wrote?
> "...I watch deer feed all
>the time and if a
>mixed group of deer come
>to the feeder at the
>same time..."
>
>So who's feeder are you watching
>them come to? WOW!
jm77 and TOPGN:
What if a person had a neighbor that put out feed (a feeder) that deer, birds and squirrels came to frequently, would it be possible to "watch deer feed all the time"? I guess I should have said, "watch deer, birds and squirrels feed all the time."
Do you guys work for the alt-left media? You sure accuse people of doing things without knowing the facts, much like they do.
ClearCreek
>AT 08:57?PM (MST)
>
>Clearcreek said:
>
><... I watch deer
><feed all the time and
><if a mixed group of
><deer come to the feeder
><at the same time the
><most dominate buck eats first,
><the younger bucks eat second,
><then the does and the
><fawns eat last, if at
><all (the food may be
><gone by the time they
><are allowed near where the
><food was).
>
>
>I said:
>
>"Comparing winter range to your feeder(is
>
>that legal in Wyoming?) are
>quite two different things. When
>we had a big winter
>kill in the spring of
>1973, the mature bucks were
>devastated. "
>
>Clearcreek replied:
>
><"jm77:
>
><Did I say I was feeding
>
><deer? I believe I
><said, "Watch deer feed". "
>
>I am curious Clearcreek, can you
>read what you wrote?
> "...I watch deer feed all
>the time and if a
>mixed group of deer come
>to the feeder at the
>same time..."
>
>So who's feeder are you watching
>them come to? WOW!
jm77 and TOPGN:
What if a person had a neighbor that put out feed (a feeder) that deer, birds and squirrels came to frequently, would it be possible to "watch deer feed all the time"? I guess I should have said, "watch deer, birds and squirrels feed all the time."
Do you guys work for the alt-left media? You sure accuse people of doing things without knowing the facts, much like they do.
ClearCreek
jm77
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>What if a person had a
>neighbor that put out feed
>(a feeder) that deer, birds
>and squirrels came to frequently,
>would it be possible to
>"watch deer feed all the
>time"? I guess I
>should have said, "watch deer,
>birds and squirrels feed all
>the time."
>
>Do you guys work for the
>alt-left media? You sure
>accuse people of doing things
>without knowing the facts, much
>like they do.
>
>ClearCreek
Just keep digging a deeper hole Clearcreek. You're the one that brought up the "feeder" and then tried to cover your tracks like no one on here could read. Do you get that the post you made is still there for anyone to read? It will help your cause to stay consistent, rather than try to turn things around on others for your mistake.
Alt-left media? Huh, you must be a Hannity fan....
>neighbor that put out feed
>(a feeder) that deer, birds
>and squirrels came to frequently,
>would it be possible to
>"watch deer feed all the
>time"? I guess I
>should have said, "watch deer,
>birds and squirrels feed all
>the time."
>
>Do you guys work for the
>alt-left media? You sure
>accuse people of doing things
>without knowing the facts, much
>like they do.
>
>ClearCreek
Just keep digging a deeper hole Clearcreek. You're the one that brought up the "feeder" and then tried to cover your tracks like no one on here could read. Do you get that the post you made is still there for anyone to read? It will help your cause to stay consistent, rather than try to turn things around on others for your mistake.
Alt-left media? Huh, you must be a Hannity fan....
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