Wy gmu 41

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LAST EDITED ON Jan-01-18 AT 07:15PM (MST)[p]Hey Guys,

Got enough pts to draw the type 9 tag in 41, curious if this hunt is worth the pts? Looks like the wilderness holds a lot of the good elk country, is there enough animals outside for a fun hunt? Not looking for honey holes, just curious on the quality of hunt.

Thanks!
CP
 
IMHO it is and there are plenty of elk in the NF and on down into the BLM, which covers the bulk of the rest of the unit. Just be aware that those who draw a Type 1, 4, or 5 license can buy the archery permit and hunt the last half of the month while the Type 9 tag is good for all of September. That means you'll have more company in the unit after the 14th.
 
>I heard from somewhere that they
>are thinking about making 41
>like 38. Archery only or
>rifle only. Only here say
>though!


I heard it's looking like 45 is going that route, but I haven't heard any scuttlebutt involving unit 41. It will really suck if guys put in for the 45-1 tag and draw it thinking they will hunt archery the last half of September and then after the draw the G&F does that. However, I got word from a friend that he had talked to a biologist about 45 and he was told they are going that route in 45 later this spring well after the draw is completed.
 
Not to get off track here but I'm guessing that those type 9 changes would go into effect for the fall of '19 seasons. The regs are published for '18 and my understanding is that, except in case of emergency, the only thing that can change is the quota.
 
Sorry, I stand corrected. This is straight from the WGFD website today. Sounds like they can do whatever they want. It sure would be a dirty trick to change the rules in the middle of the game though.

"Season Dates and Limitations
The preliminary opening dates and limitations are tentative and subject to change.
Opening dates, closing dates and limitations for big game hunting seasons are established each year in late April by the Commission. The Commission reserves the
right to not issue licenses for specific hunt areas and license types if it is in the best interest of wildlife management. If an applicant applies for a hunt area and
license type in which the Commission did not authorize licenses, the license fee will be refunded, but the application fee will not be refunded"
 
Yep chipc; they sure can do just about whatever they want, including having the elk draw for NRs in February that violates their own rules doing it before final quotas are established in the Spring and that's been going on for quite a few years.
 
That's not quite right gunner. I was always told the same thing but talked to the Boss yesterday and the dept can change quotas for the early draw.
Quotas come in from the bios late dec/first of Jan, go to licensing later January and are the hard quotas used to calculate the nr 16% for elk. Those quotas with minor changes are the tentative quotas posted in march for the public meetings.
 
>That's not quite right gunner. I
>was always told the same
>thing but talked to the
>Boss yesterday and the dept
>can change quotas for the
>early draw.
>Quotas come in from the bios
>late dec/first of Jan, go
>to licensing later January and
>are the hard quotas used
>to calculate the nr 16%
>for elk. Those quotas with
>minor changes are the tentative
>quotas posted in march for
>the public meetings.


If that's the case, I wonder why that wasn't put out to the public who have all had the perception that things weren't being done properly having that elk draw so early!
 
I was asleep and didn't ask why, since I know the quotas are done, don't they publish them for nr before the draw closes...
 
>I was asleep and didn't ask
>why, since I know the
>quotas are done, don't they
>publish them for nr before
>the draw closes...


Sounds like they have you convinced Bob, but I'm not falling for it. Every year tentative quotas and season dates, sometimes even license types, are changed in April at the season setting meeting. In 2017 a LQ elk area that was changed in tentative seasons to general, was changed back in April to limited quota. A lot of NR plans were screwed up there I suppose.

After complaining to the Commission, BHA was told that no new license types would put into tentative regulation without public comment and Commission approval. But that didn't apply to quotas or season dates. Topgun is right, the G&F is not properly following state law under the Administrative Procedures Act. ALL G&F regulations are subject to defined public comment according to law.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-05-18 AT 11:23AM (MST)[p]


I think we're talking two separate things.

I'm not talking about adding license types, changing dates, or changing a regulation, just changing quotas used for the nr Elk draw. It has been discussed multiple times on here that they use the previous years quotas because the Commission has to approve them, and that simply is not the case. Right or wrong, I have no idea, but my question was clear and so was the answer, "the dept can change the quotas used for the "early draw" under Chapter 44 Regulation."


edit
I believe this is the pertinent language..

"(bbb) ?Quota? means the maximum specified number of licenses to be issued for a given hunt area and species as provided by Commission regulation; in the case of nonresident elk hunt area quotas, the maximum number of specified licenses to be issued by hunt area as provided in writing by the Wildlife Division to the Fiscal Division."

I have not seen where the dept has added or removed a license "type" for the nr Elk draw from those license types Approved previously by the Commission. I have all that data going back to 2012 but honestly haven't looked for that specific info.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-11-18 AT 11:03AM (MST)[p]Hunters look at 41 and think it's like 40 or 45, but it's not. The only real access for 41 is one road the runs just below the wilderness. So there's less than a mile uphill to hunt. Down slope there's not much either before you drop below the tree line. And that entire road is lined with hunting camps.

I don't know why WY insists on that stupid NR in wilderness rule given that most residents hunt outside the wilderness areas! That is certainly the case in 41 because of where the access is. So yes there are areas for NR to hunt but it's a thin strip along the only road in the unit, and that's where most of the locals hunt too. Lots of side by side ATVs driving up and down that road all day too.

I have a buddy in WY who I hunt with when I've been able to draw a tag but we pack into the wilderness. I hunted 45 too and it's has a lot more room to roam for everyone.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-11-18 AT 02:28PM (MST)[p]>Hunters look at 41 and think
>it's like 40 or 45,
>but it's not. The
>only real access for 41
>is one road the runs
>just below the wilderness.
>So there's less than a
>mile uphill to hunt.
>Down slope there's not much
>either before you drop below
>the tree line. And
>that entire road is lined
>with hunting camps.
>
>I don't know why WY insists
>on that stupid NR in
>wilderness rule given that most
>residents hunt outside the wilderness
>areas! That is certainly the
>case in 41 because of
>where the access is.
>So yes there are areas
>for NR to hunt but
>it's a thin strip along
>the only road in the
>unit, and that's where most
>of the locals hunt too.
>Lots of side by side
>ATVs driving up and down
>that road all day too.
>
>
>I have a buddy in WY
>who I hunt with when
>I've been able to draw
>a tag but we pack
>into the wilderness. I hunted
>45 too and it's has
>a lot more room to
>roam for everyone.

I don't know what map you're using, but unit 41 goes way west into mostly BLM and almost all of it is easily accessible with elk in it, especially near the irrigated private lands. Also, you can use Hwy 14 on the north end to access a lot of country, including up in the NF near the wilderness, with some walking involved. I do agree with you that 45 has a lot more NF that is easily accessible and that's the unit I like the best in all of the Big Horns, but it takes a lot of PPs, especially for the Type 9 tag.
 
>>I heard from somewhere that they
>>are thinking about making 41
>>like 38. Archery only or
>>rifle only. Only here say
>>though!
>
>
>I heard it's looking like 45
>is going that route, but
>I haven't heard any scuttlebutt
>involving unit 41. It
>will really suck if guys
>put in for the 45-1
>tag and draw it thinking
>they will hunt archery the
>last half of September and
>then after the draw the
>G&F does that. However,
>I got word from a
>friend that he had talked
>to a biologist about 45
>and he was told they
>are going that route in
>45 later this spring well
>after the draw is completed.
>
The new draft regulations so far show them crossing out the archery season for 41 type 1 and 45 type 1 hunters.
 
If that happens, there are going to be some very upset non residents. They should get a refund if they want it in my opinion. If you just blew $1500 in points and tag fees and they change the rules, I would be pissed.
 
I guess so. I didn't think those came out until March, but after 10 minutes of searching I found them dated 1/22.

shouldn't they say on the proclamation to see the proposed rules before applying?
 

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