nfh
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4 point and mnt goats
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DoubleDropMuley
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Good read thanks for sharing!!!
PleaseDear
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Interesting read
Thanks for the link man.
Robb
Thanks for the link man.
Robb
jm77
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>A very interesting article---thanks for posting
>that Michael! I have
>never and still don't believe
>in deer antler point restrictions
>for several reasons that I
>won't bore you with.
Trust me Mike, APRs do work and are a vital tool in management. They are especially useful in keeping general areas from further restriction, such as changing over to limited quota.
I'm sure they won't keep a 4pt APR more than two years, however 3pt APRs are much more flexible and have proven to be very useful around central Wyoming in raising buck/doe ratios.
>that Michael! I have
>never and still don't believe
>in deer antler point restrictions
>for several reasons that I
>won't bore you with.
Trust me Mike, APRs do work and are a vital tool in management. They are especially useful in keeping general areas from further restriction, such as changing over to limited quota.
I'm sure they won't keep a 4pt APR more than two years, however 3pt APRs are much more flexible and have proven to be very useful around central Wyoming in raising buck/doe ratios.
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The real problem is the outfitters on the North Fork corridor have been hammering way too many bucks during the general hunt after most of the elk units went LE. They have to generate the income to stay afloat and to hell with the resource. This is just another unintended consequence of the Game and Fish changing elk units over to LE where the outfitter population is so high.
just sayin...mh
just sayin...mh
andrew12gauge
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So is it just me or does a general goat tag in an area that just suffered a high nanny kill seem like a bad idea? Are they trying to wipe them out?
Trying to reduce goat population and control further goat movement into key wild sheep habitats.
They can and do compete directly with wild sheep for food and space.
Some recent studies have shown goats are carriers of bacteria that kills wild sheep.
from the "Heartland of Wyoming"
They can and do compete directly with wild sheep for food and space.
Some recent studies have shown goats are carriers of bacteria that kills wild sheep.
from the "Heartland of Wyoming"
jm77
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>Trying to reduce goat population and
>control further goat movement into
>key wild sheep habitats.
>
>They can and do compete directly
>with wild sheep for food
>and space.
>
>Some recent studies have shown goats
>are carriers of bacteria that
>kills wild sheep.
>
>from the "Heartland of Wyoming"
I would very much like to see the research with conclusive evidence that mountain goats directly affect bighorn populations.
Do you know of any kilbuc?
>control further goat movement into
>key wild sheep habitats.
>
>They can and do compete directly
>with wild sheep for food
>and space.
>
>Some recent studies have shown goats
>are carriers of bacteria that
>kills wild sheep.
>
>from the "Heartland of Wyoming"
I would very much like to see the research with conclusive evidence that mountain goats directly affect bighorn populations.
Do you know of any kilbuc?
LAST EDITED ON Apr-18-18 AT 07:17PM (MST)[p]>I would very much like to
>see the research with conclusive
>evidence that mountain goats directly
>affect bighorn populations.
>
>Do you know of any kilbuc?
I've read a few articles the last couple years where they are doing research trying to connect the theory that goats affect sheep, but I think they're a long way from any conclusive facts as of right now. The last one I read was a study they're doing in a CO unit where the goats are thriving and sheep are having a rough time and may even be losing numbers. The theory there is that the goats are more dominant and push the sheep away from good feed along with the possibility that they are infecting the sheep with diseases that they themselves are resistant to like our other member mentioned. If you have time you might trying doing a search and I think you might find an article or two.
>see the research with conclusive
>evidence that mountain goats directly
>affect bighorn populations.
>
>Do you know of any kilbuc?
I've read a few articles the last couple years where they are doing research trying to connect the theory that goats affect sheep, but I think they're a long way from any conclusive facts as of right now. The last one I read was a study they're doing in a CO unit where the goats are thriving and sheep are having a rough time and may even be losing numbers. The theory there is that the goats are more dominant and push the sheep away from good feed along with the possibility that they are infecting the sheep with diseases that they themselves are resistant to like our other member mentioned. If you have time you might trying doing a search and I think you might find an article or two.
jm77
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>I've read a few articles the
>last couple years where they
>are doing research trying to
>connect the theory that goats
>affect sheep, but I think
>they're a long way from
>any conclusive facts as of
>right now. The last
>one I read was a
>study they're doing in a
>CO unit where the goats
>are thriving and sheep are
>having a rough time and
>may even be losing numbers.
> The theory there is
>that the goats are more
>dominant and push the sheep
>away from good feed along
>with the possibility that they
>are infecting the sheep with
>diseases that they themselves are
>resistant to like our other
>member mentioned. If you
>have time you might trying
>doing a search and I
>think you might find an
>article or two.
Already did Mike, there is nothing conclusive yet. Bighorns are having a tough time in lots of places, even in country without goats. I think this idea to reduce goat numbers is too knee-jerk.
I have hunted sheep in areas where there are goats and never have actually seen them "sharing" country. What I don't care for, is the thought of a general tag mtn goat hunt. I don't care how rough the country is, it's going to be like the opener of antelope season in area 73.
>last couple years where they
>are doing research trying to
>connect the theory that goats
>affect sheep, but I think
>they're a long way from
>any conclusive facts as of
>right now. The last
>one I read was a
>study they're doing in a
>CO unit where the goats
>are thriving and sheep are
>having a rough time and
>may even be losing numbers.
> The theory there is
>that the goats are more
>dominant and push the sheep
>away from good feed along
>with the possibility that they
>are infecting the sheep with
>diseases that they themselves are
>resistant to like our other
>member mentioned. If you
>have time you might trying
>doing a search and I
>think you might find an
>article or two.
Already did Mike, there is nothing conclusive yet. Bighorns are having a tough time in lots of places, even in country without goats. I think this idea to reduce goat numbers is too knee-jerk.
I have hunted sheep in areas where there are goats and never have actually seen them "sharing" country. What I don't care for, is the thought of a general tag mtn goat hunt. I don't care how rough the country is, it's going to be like the opener of antelope season in area 73.
jm77
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>JM77, yes, although not
>conclusive, Game and Fish Wildlife
>Vet, Dr. Mary Woods and
>Desease Specialists(may not be exact
>title but close), Hank Edwards
>have both indicated potenial during
>Sheep management discusions. Studies
>are ongoing.
>
>
This was my comment:
"I would very much like to see the research with conclusive evidence that mountain goats directly affect bighorn populations.
Do you know of any kilbuc?"
In other words your answer should be "No".
I don't mean to be rude about this, but I don't want the G&F to do anything like these general mountain goat seasons until they have conclusive evidence. I expect the wildlife professionals to manage based on science whenever the damn politics are not in the way!
>conclusive, Game and Fish Wildlife
>Vet, Dr. Mary Woods and
>Desease Specialists(may not be exact
>title but close), Hank Edwards
>have both indicated potenial during
>Sheep management discusions. Studies
>are ongoing.
>
>
This was my comment:
"I would very much like to see the research with conclusive evidence that mountain goats directly affect bighorn populations.
Do you know of any kilbuc?"
In other words your answer should be "No".
I don't mean to be rude about this, but I don't want the G&F to do anything like these general mountain goat seasons until they have conclusive evidence. I expect the wildlife professionals to manage based on science whenever the damn politics are not in the way!
nfh
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In 2011 when I had my mountain goat tag I saw several goats eating and hanging out from late june to mid-july. After that never saw them along with each other again. My only theory is that with the record snowfall that year they were limited to peaks with very little snow for eating. other than that I got nothing
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