HB 536

I just posted on this too. This bad news and flat out anti hunting.

I know a few landowners who don't post their CRP because they would rather people just hunt it that have them call or come to the house. I called a farmer about a spot a few years ago and he told me, "I'm a farmer. I'm busy. I don't post it because I don't want you guys bothering me for permission. Just go hunt it."

It's noteworthy that the sponsor (Boyle) said "It is for those people who come and cut your fence and drive out in your field."

Crossing a fence, cutting a fence, and driving in a field are all ALREADY ILLEGAL!

There is no need to remove the posting requirement.
 
Boyles district stretches up into northern Adams County. Coincidentally enough , DF Development owns a large swath of ground in that area. There are responsibilities that come with land ownership. If you don't want people trespassing, post it and fence it properly. This was taken from another site:
Despite testimony from the Association of Sheriffs, Prosecutors, and Idaho Association Of Counties that the proposed law is indefensible and unconstitutional, and testimony from sportsman organizations that simply requested holding the bill to work out some kinks, House Committee Of Ag passes HB 536 and it moves to the House floor.

Of all the committee members listed below, Mat Erpelding was the sole No Vote.

Judy Boyle, Bill sponsor (R- Midvale)
Thomas Dayley (R-Boise)
Maxine Bell (R-Jerome)
Steven Miller (R-Fairfield)
Julie VanOrden (R-Pingree)
Van Burtenshaw (R-Terreton)
Ryan Kerby (R-New Plymouth)
Caroline Troy (R-Genessee)
Paul Amador (R-Couer d?Alene)
Randy Armstrong (R-Inkom)
Karey Hanks (R-St. Anthony)
Christy Zito (R-Hammett)
Mat Erpleding (D-Boise)
Sally Toone (D-Gooding)
 
I don't know why you think that's a shocker. Democrats tend to support conservation and land access, but not support gun ownership. Ironically conservatives tend to NOT support conservation, but instead support gun ownership. A balance between the 2 is ideal.

Steve Rinella sums it up really well in this clip. Starting at 2:40 is a really good description of our current politics:

http://www.themeateater.com/2017/st...grand-staircase-escalante-national-monuments/

I, for one, am currently much more concerned about land access than gun ownership, but I only own hunting weapons. Assault rifles may be threatened, but there's no reason for me to think "they're coming for my guns". Not at the moment at least.

It's sportsmen's job to defend ourselves against a constantly moving target. The current target is definitely land access, public land issues, and conservation...IMO.
 
Gun laws come and go with the political winds. Once land is sold, its gone forever.

Grizzly

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"It's time to revisit the widely accepted principle in the United States and Canada that game is a public resource."
-Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as quoted in Anchorage Daily News
 
http://www.idahostatesman.com/opinion/readers-opinion/article163666723.html

Two brothers from Texas, see link, bought about 250,000 acres in Idaho from the old Potlach and Boise Cascade timber lands the past few years. They've had to hire crews of people because they posted off so much that you use to be able to access, and had lobbied to get the law changed.

Deep pockets show up and surprising this bill shows up from some small legislator from no where.

We really need to rise up so this state doesn't become more like WY and MT that are so big landowner friendly to the detriment of us public land owners.

Need someone to start a petition against this and quick.
 
I emailed every representative and legislator I can think of about this. It's complete garbage and no way reflects the views of the majority of Idahoans.

Anybody else think its strange that by taking away the requirement to post your property they are making it easier for a person to trespass, and then with the same bill they are saying trespassing is a big problem and are making the punishment much more severe? It kinda sounds like the state is looking for more money raised from trespassing fines if you ask me. Ridiculous.

I'm all for more severe punishment to trespassers, but if you really don't want people trespassing on your property, why make it easier for people to accidentally trespass?

Everything's about money any more, and there's no exception here.
 
This is just the tip of the iceberg. The texans have at least 3 lobbyists down at the Statehouse. They found a Chair on the Ag Affairs Committee that is willing to do their work for them. Mark my words that they are going after road easements next.Keep an eye on the Resource and Conservation Committee. If they don't get this one through, they will be back. It is going to be a fight from here on out.
 
I'm not sure that this current bill wouldn't be a weapon for the road closers too. There really is no check on this if it passes. As written, if you are on un-posted property (or road) that is shown as public on OnX or Garmin, you could still get a ticket. The bill doesn't say what the final arbiter is, but I can guess who will win that argument, and it's not sportsmen.
 
This will probably be a body blow to road travel, but the knock-out will be eliminating historical prescriptive use easements.
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-17-18 AT 00:14AM (MST)[p]couple this with a F&G department that is desperate to justify its existence, this is big trouble. ID F&G just took my friends hunting rights for 2 years for shooting a whistle pig (gopher) w/o a license. (yes really, the ones testing positive for the plague in the city limits of boise). He talked to Councilmen Rick Visser about his BS ticket. Rick said after the publicity of his ticket, he immediately heard of >25 similar cases of IDF&G abuse of power. Now armed with this sneaky law, they are going to be on a witch hunt. This is a sad state of affairs for the idaho sportsmen.
 
>LAST EDITED ON Feb-17-18
>AT 00:14?AM (MST)
>
>couple this with a F&G department that is desperate to justify its existence, this is big trouble. ID F&G just took my friends hunting rights for 2 years for shooting a whistle pig (gopher) w/o a license. (yes really, the ones testing positive for the plague in the city limits of boise). He talked to Councilmen Rick Visser about his BS ticket. Rick said after the publicity of his ticket, he immediately heard of >25 similar cases of IDF&G abuse of power. Now armed with this sneaky law, they are going to be on a witch hunt. This is a sad state of affairs for the idaho sportsmen.

You?re defending a poacher? IDFG did the right thing.
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-19-18 AT 07:16PM (MST)[p]Last I checked whether youre hunting deer or hunting whistle pigs, you are still required to possess a valid hunting license. Were these 25 similar cases also people hunting with out a license? Where does the abuse of power come in on this?
 
If the charged and prosecuted those who post land that is not theirs, I would almost be in favor....its currently a one sided game.
 
there is no list of animals in the regulations that you need a hunting license to hunt. you dont need a license to shoot pestilence species (especially those carrying the plague) in several neighboring states, yet in idaho, F&G can prosecute you for "worrying wildlife". this guy wasn't trying to get away with anything, he bought his license a couple of days after the incident (as he wasnt ticketed until later), he just didnt know he needed it for whistle pigs. it was an honest mistake, a verbal warning or min fine would have sufficed. a 1yr suspension for an honest mistake is ridiculous and blatant overkill. For the people that play the preference point game in multiple states (and may have been playing for 20 years), this could cost $10-20k in investment.

Under the same precedent, you could be charged with the same crime and lose your license for trapping a mouse in your kitchen or killing a bat in your attic. if you had a lifelong investment erased for such an act, would you think it justified?
 
So, institution of this proposed legislation would violate the Constitution of the US. If it was CA, I'd say it would be a shoe-in. I hope Idaho has more integrity.
 
Every time I read this bill it ruins my day. The felony thing is RIDICULOUS. Of course the ##### is a rancher. No offense to other ranchers out there.
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-22-18 AT 08:11PM (MST)[p]It sounds like they may have pulled it for a re-write. If it makes it back this session, it will be pushed through extremely fast. This bill had the backing of the Farm Bureau and The Idaho Cattlemen Association.These are big groups that are used to getting their way. They will be back with a vengeance
 
>Every time I read this bill
>it ruins my day. The
>felony thing is RIDICULOUS. Of
>course the ##### is a
>rancher. No offense to other
>ranchers out there.

The felony thing is not the part that outrages me, as a matter of fact if an individual cannot learn from a 1st and 2nd offense then they probably deserve a felony, what pisses me off is taking away the requirement to post land.
 
I really hope it doesn't pass because it's pretty simple to spray paint some fence posts or trees orange if you don't want people hunting your land with the current system.
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-25-18 AT 09:54AM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Feb-25-18 AT 09:53?AM (MST)

I would like to think with the technology that we have today figuring out what land is private should not be to hard. That being said my family owns a ranch that is posted. We never have a problem with anybody all year except hunters. If we find someone on there and ask them to leave they get mad and argue that the landowners own all the good spots. Tough I guess go hunt another state then. If you are decent so are most landowners. As far as changing the rules for posting I can see the negative aspects to it. I just think we need to do out best to research and know where we are. Mistakes always happen though.
 
Just a good story real quick. The last guy we caught hunting in our place was from out of state. While I was talking to him he radioed his buddy and told him they were on private property and the owner was there talking to him. His buddy must not be too smart because he radioed back "just tell then you have a cousin in town who told you we could hunt here." The guy responded the property owner just heard that. There was just radio silence after that. That is the mentality of alot of people these days. It is too bad because it affects everyone.
 
I think most hunters and outdoorsman would agree that the increased fines and felony status for repeat offenders is not the part of the bill that gets people upset. If it was just that, it would have passed already. It's the fact that it's taking the posting requirement away that's ridiculous. Especially since Idaho has had this in place for YEARS, and it works to keep the average guy who is just trying to enjoy his public land from trespassing.

In fact, in my mind, they could even make fines and citations more serious than they are in this new bill if they keep the current stipulation that landowners have to post their land. Every person who trespasses on land that is clearly marked deserves to be hit hard and suffer the consequences. I just don't like how easy this bill makes it for people to trespass without intending to trespass.
 
It could just be my cynicism, but I don't believe that this bill had a lot to do with trespassers. Trespassing is already against the law. Trespassing and then cutting fences, shooting pipes or cows is vandalism and would end up being a felony anyway. This is designed to buffalo honest sportsmen/women away from public ground that borders large tracts of private ground.Taking the posting requirements away will only push the honest folks away. It simply isn't worth arguing over an unmarked property boundary.
 
>This is designed to >buffalo honest >sportsmen/women away from >public ground that >borders large tracts of >private ground.Taking the >posting requirements away >will only push the honest >folks away. It simply >isn't worth arguing over >an unmarked property >boundary.

Bingo. One look at land ownership patterns in Boyles district explains what she is up to. Without the current posting requirement it's a lot easier to post one or two signs in a way that makes larger areas inclusive of public lands appear off limits.
 
>It could just be my cynicism,
>but I don't believe that
>this bill had a lot
>to do with trespassers. Trespassing
>is already against the law.
>Trespassing and then cutting fences,
>shooting pipes or cows is
>vandalism and would end up
>being a felony anyway. This
>is designed to buffalo honest
>sportsmen/women away from public ground
>that borders large tracts of
>private ground.Taking the posting requirements
>away will only push the
>honest folks away. It simply
>isn't worth arguing over an
>unmarked property boundary.

I agree 100%.

It's being pushed as a bill to deal with trespassers, but it isn't changing anything. Just making it harder for honest people to enjoy public land.
 

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