Trespass law??
- Thread starter idahoguy
- Start date
customweld
Active Member
- Messages
- 605
Otter didn't sign or veto. It automatically is law by default. It goes into effect July 1st.
customweld
Active Member
- Messages
- 605
Unfortunately, 2 of my reps are running unopposed. I'd vote for Krusty and Sideshow Bob at this point.
andrew12gauge
Active Member
- Messages
- 784
I never did see with 658, does this mean landowners no longer have a posting requirement? If so that is going to close off a lot of hunting possibilities this upcoming season
andrew12gauge
Active Member
- Messages
- 784
>People keep saying that but I
>don't know how it would
>close off land. If it
>was private before it still
>is private. If the landowners
>gave permission to you before
>he probably still will.
I'm more so referring to large tracts of unposted private rangeland that used to be open to hunting, if the new trespass law has removed the posting requirement then those lands which were always sort of assumed to be "feel free to hunt" would now require finding a landowner and getting permission, which isn't always easy in this day and age. Ever look at a land ownership map, seems everything is owned by "fill in the blank llc" or "such and such family trust" with nothing but P.O. boxes listed for addresses. This last year I wounded a deer in Montana, it ran over the hill onto private land owned by an llc with a Los Angeles California P.O. box, how is a guy supposed to get permission to retrieve an animal in a timely manner in a situation such as that(Montana has no posting requirement, it is strictly up to the hunter to know where he stands)
>don't know how it would
>close off land. If it
>was private before it still
>is private. If the landowners
>gave permission to you before
>he probably still will.
I'm more so referring to large tracts of unposted private rangeland that used to be open to hunting, if the new trespass law has removed the posting requirement then those lands which were always sort of assumed to be "feel free to hunt" would now require finding a landowner and getting permission, which isn't always easy in this day and age. Ever look at a land ownership map, seems everything is owned by "fill in the blank llc" or "such and such family trust" with nothing but P.O. boxes listed for addresses. This last year I wounded a deer in Montana, it ran over the hill onto private land owned by an llc with a Los Angeles California P.O. box, how is a guy supposed to get permission to retrieve an animal in a timely manner in a situation such as that(Montana has no posting requirement, it is strictly up to the hunter to know where he stands)
LAST EDITED ON Mar-31-18 AT 10:25AM (MST)[p]I would think if a landowner has not posted his land in the past and has allowed all people to access it that he will not care if they still do it. If he were concerned about trespassers he would of posted it already. The law will only affect landowners who were posting and enforcing it already. I guess if the property changed owners that could be a problem. Just my thoughts.
IdahoInfidel
Active Member
- Messages
- 148
LAST EDITED ON Mar-31-18 AT 01:02PM (MST)[p]Agreed. Most likely you'll be left alone unless
you are called in.
you are called in.
NORKALNIMROD
Active Member
- Messages
- 759
Best to read it for yourselves and eliminate all the assumptions.
Private land that ajoins or that is surrounded by public lands has to be clearly marked at all entrances, easements, navigable waterways and corners. The 600' marking requirement has been eliminated.
Norkal
"One can take my life but not my faith or my
confidence. I fear none and respect all."
Private land that ajoins or that is surrounded by public lands has to be clearly marked at all entrances, easements, navigable waterways and corners. The 600' marking requirement has been eliminated.
Norkal
"One can take my life but not my faith or my
confidence. I fear none and respect all."
OLDHORNHUNTER
Very Active Member
- Messages
- 1,020
The latest is Idaho sportsmen & women go Hammered by Judy Boyle the Wilkes Bros & good old Gov Otter !! This bill should Never have been passed ,the land owners now according to this law do NOT have to paint any posts do not have to post all access points . My understanding is one gate one corner post & ONE SIGN that says No hunting No trespassing & they are covered . This will really open a Giant can of worms , if like someone said on here they have been hunting Non posted land & continue NOW a land owner can call the F&G or Sheriffs office & say HEY I have a trespasser & THEY do not have to prove it !! YOU have to prove you were on non private land .. I guess I really don't understand WHY didn't F&G step up & say we already have a trespass law in effect ??? This is going to be a real peach before long !!! & Yes vote those Idiots that voted yes on this OUT
Looks like we will have to be careful about where we are at when we hunt. I have knowingly hunted some land that was private. You know if you are being shady or honest. It is up to you to use your morals and ethics and do the right thing. In this day and age of technology it isn't hard to figure out if you are on private or public ground usually. If you make sure you do your best to know where you are at you will be fine.
NORKALNIMROD
Active Member
- Messages
- 759
LAST EDITED ON Apr-02-18 AT 08:56PM (MST)[p]Again, there is a lot of misinformation about this law being passed around.
Look it up and read it.
The only change in regard to posting is the elimination of the 600' requirement.
I disagree with this as marking every 600' is not much of a burden IMHO.
The biggest changes are the increased penalties for those convicted of breakink the law.
REAL SIMPLE, stay off other people's property if you don't have permission to use it.
Norkal
"One can take my life but not my faith or my
confidence. I fear none and respect all."
Look it up and read it.
The only change in regard to posting is the elimination of the 600' requirement.
I disagree with this as marking every 600' is not much of a burden IMHO.
The biggest changes are the increased penalties for those convicted of breakink the law.
REAL SIMPLE, stay off other people's property if you don't have permission to use it.
Norkal
"One can take my life but not my faith or my
confidence. I fear none and respect all."
My uncle has a ranch in SE Idaho, Slug Creek. He has had problems with cows shot by hunters in the past. The ranch is posted properly. Signs and orange. Last year the first weekend we drive down a two tract road to the gate. About 50 yards from the gate a brown suburban is parked. They took off the front and back license plates. Three adults and 3 kids, heading right past the fence on private trespassing. A good way to teach your kids. We found a gut pile 400 yards into the ranch from a few days earlier. I don't like this law. I hope hunters who purposefully break the law, walk right past the sign, take plates off their truck get hammered by this law.
customweld
Active Member
- Messages
- 605
The penalties should/could have been ratcheted up without a complete re-write. I'm pretty cynical about the whole thing and believe the intent was not to help average landowners. I'm still falling back on the input and influence that the Texans had in writing the bill. I still can't wrap my head around the legislators claim that the posting requirements are actually stricter now. How can an absolute number (660 feet) be replaced with the term "conspicuous" and "reasonable" and not be open to interpretation?
OLDHORNHUNTER
Very Active Member
- Messages
- 1,020
I am with you 150% on this this in NO way helped anyone other than the land owners & the legislators that passed it . Who if you spend a few minutes researching or know who they are, have a bunch of land so I am sure it was in their Best interest as well !! Now with the elections coming up its time to Get those people out of office Starting with Judy Boyle who had Golden opportunity to kill this bill before it got started..
>My uncle has a ranch in
>SE Idaho, Slug Creek.
>He has had problems with
>cows shot by hunters in
>the past. The ranch
>is posted properly. Signs and
>orange. Last year the
>first weekend we drive down
>a two tract road to
>the gate. About 50
>yards from the gate a
>brown suburban is parked.
>They took off the front
>and back license plates.
>Three adults and 3 kids,
>heading right past the fence
>on private trespassing. A
>good way to teach your
>kids. We found a
>gut pile 400 yards into
>the ranch from a few
>days earlier. I don't like
>this law. I hope
>hunters who purposefully break the
>law, walk right past the
>sign, take plates off their
>truck get hammered by this
>law.
I had a neighbor who solved this problem by letting the air out of the tires (not by cutting them, lol) and it solved the problem nicely.
>SE Idaho, Slug Creek.
>He has had problems with
>cows shot by hunters in
>the past. The ranch
>is posted properly. Signs and
>orange. Last year the
>first weekend we drive down
>a two tract road to
>the gate. About 50
>yards from the gate a
>brown suburban is parked.
>They took off the front
>and back license plates.
>Three adults and 3 kids,
>heading right past the fence
>on private trespassing. A
>good way to teach your
>kids. We found a
>gut pile 400 yards into
>the ranch from a few
>days earlier. I don't like
>this law. I hope
>hunters who purposefully break the
>law, walk right past the
>sign, take plates off their
>truck get hammered by this
>law.
I had a neighbor who solved this problem by letting the air out of the tires (not by cutting them, lol) and it solved the problem nicely.
customweld
Active Member
- Messages
- 605
Just a heads up, Fish and Game removed the Wilks land layer off of the interactive map page. There was a complete separate layer under the land management layer for their ground. For those that didn't catch this last summer, this is what to expect when travelling through their land. Keep in mind that this is Clear Creek Road in Valley County which is a county/Forest Service Road.
Idaho Hunting Guides & Outfitters
Bearpaw Outfitters
Idaho Deer & Elk Allocation Tags, Plus Bear, Bison, Lion, Moose, Turkey and Montana Prairie Dogs.
Urge 2 Hunt
We focus on trophy elk, mule deer, whitetail, bear, lion and wolf hunts and spend hundreds of hours scouting.
Jokers Wild Outdoors
Trophy elk, whitetail, mule deer, antelope, bear and moose hunts. 35k acres of private land.