43 wow what happened?

manny53

manny53

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well being i'm living in oregon last 13 years, so i consider i'm ur neighbor idaho n fell in love with the state many moons ago, cause it looks like home to me, i have hunted idaho on n off thru the years, my boys have been bugging me to take em out of state we first thought was colorado but we snoozed on the good tags so hey the next best thing' idaho...

so i started asking friends what unit should we burn some shoe leather in, and two out of three said 43, again kicking around getting an elk tag we snoozed n they sold out as did the muleys tags did, but i did get my grandson a whitetail tag.

long story short we made camp down at anderson ranch res, good looking country, little did i know there was a huge winter kill in that region ... after wasting three days in there climbing hills we saw a total of 5 deer and bout 250 people, i'm sure the warm weather and the full moon did not help things n how do they not have hunter casualties in there especially lester creek geez, even with all the die off there were people with doe tags, now that i could not understand ...

i knew we had to make some changes fast or we would be eating tag soup...so after a mini debate we decided to head to unit 48, we were not there long when my oldest son jumped this nice 4x3 after not seeing anything for three daze he did not pass up that buck, he did hesitate for a sec but boom he was down...

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so the next day in 48 resulted in not seeing a single deer, i did pull a rookie move later that afternoon and thought i found tons of deer tracks n droppings my excitement was short lived when i saw a sheep herder pushing 100 head of sheep not far from the tracks, so i asked the mexican pushing sheep, muy grande vernado" he said se' mountania" k that explains it they're up high not in the sage...

so next morning we drove as far as we could into a canyon then i got on a high point n started glassing bout an hour later i saw movement a nice 26 or 27" buck walking into a patch of willows 450 yards above me i had time to set up and get ready for the shot when the buck stepped out of the willows without thought i pulled the trigger i hit him low hitting him in the front elbow; he then spun to run downhill n that's when i realized i shot the wrong buck this buck was not a wide, my heart sunk i am a trophy hunter at heart n i know how some people think bout that, but tuff shixkie i eat all my trophies...

the bigger buck ran the opposite direction n all i could do was watch, so pushing myself to focus on the buck i hit he was running down towards me i dropped him with another shot he ended up not far from my truck, walking up to him my son jumped a calve elk with her back leg blown off...

i admit i do not know those areas so good 43 or 48 for that matter but i know what big buck country looks like, even so 48 did not have many deer either i would have bet my sons n my buck were the only two in there it seemed e never saw a doe just those two bucks, or well three bucks i should say.

a short drag and a cry baby attitude for the drive home we tagged out

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Those units used to be a fun hunt. But that bad winter and hundreds of people pounding the hills every year changed that. I think you don't fully understand just how well you guys did on your hunt. You did great!

What days did you shoot your bucks on?
 
>Those units used to be a
>fun hunt. But that bad
>winter and hundreds of people
>pounding the hills every year
>changed that. I think you
>don't fully understand just how
>well you guys did on
>your hunt. You did great!
>
>
>What days did you shoot your
>bucks on?


this monday my son shot his n i did mine last afternoon of season... weekdays did have less people out n about not sure if that helped but one thing i noticed 80% of idahoan hunters don't glass n expect to ride up to a group of deer on their quads n side by sides never stopping to glass...

i know these are solid deer but through the years i have seen some pigs come out of these units...
 
oh... my grandson at the last minute decided he wanted to hunt but muleys tags were gone so i got him a whitetail tag we never seen one whitetail n i know we were not really focused on them but if anyone can suggest a spot or unit we can go back n get him a fork or something i'd appreciate it hoping close within an hour or two from boise...or whatever....thanx...Manny
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-03-18 AT 11:10AM (MST)[p]>>Those units used to be a
>>fun hunt. But that bad
>>winter and hundreds of people
>>pounding the hills every year
>>changed that. I think you
>>don't fully understand just how
>>well you guys did on
>>your hunt. You did great!
>>
>>
>>What days did you shoot your
>>bucks on?
>
>
>this monday my son shot his
>n i did mine last
>afternoon of season... weekdays did
>have less people out n 8
>about not sure if that
>helped but one thing i
>noticed 80% of idahoan hunters
>don't glass n expect to
>ride up to a group
>of deer on their quads
>n side by sides never
>stopping to glass...
>
>i know these are solid deer
>but through the years i
>have seen some pigs come
>out of these units...

You saw 80% of the hunters in Idaho in units 43 and 48? Quite a few people dang.

Maybe if your gonna slam Idahoans, kill our deer and then complain they're not big enough you should just stay home and hunt.
 
>Maybe if your gonna slam Idahoans,
>kill our deer and then
>complain they're not big enough
>you should just stay home
>and hunt.

Funny stuff right there. You see similar comments from Utards who think it's their right to help Wyoming manage our deer herds on the western side of the state...
 
Infidel......not sure you reading comprehension is real good! Maybe go back and read really slow a couple times.

I think you have some poop on your side of the glass.
 
>LAST EDITED ON Nov-03-18
>AT 11:10?AM (MST)
>
>>>Those units used to be a
>>>fun hunt. But that bad
>>>winter and hundreds of people
>>>pounding the hills every year
>>>changed that. I think you
>>>don't fully understand just how
>>>well you guys did on
>>>your hunt. You did great!
>>>
>>>
>>>What days did you shoot your
>>>bucks on?
>>
>>
>>this monday my son shot his
>>n i did mine last
>>afternoon of season... weekdays did
>>have less people out n 8
>>about not sure if that
>>helped but one thing i
>>noticed 80% of idahoan hunters
>>don't glass n expect to
>>ride up to a group
>>of deer on their quads
>>n side by sides never
>>stopping to glass...
>>
>>i know these are solid deer
>>but through the years i
>>have seen some pigs come
>>out of these units...
>
>You saw 80% of the hunters
>in Idaho in units 43
>and 48? Quite a
>few people dang.
>
>Maybe if your gonna slam Idahoans,
>kill our deer and then
>complain they're not big enough
>you should just stay home
>and hunt.

idaho infidel hmm sounds be fitting, but i was making an observation not a complaint most of the people i have met in idaho besides u were grate people

oh and ur welcome for me spending my hard earned dollars in ur state... sad thing is i would have taken you to my honey hole for blacktails but nahhh ....good luck with a shitty attitude there bud...
 
>oh... my grandson at the last
>minute decided he wanted to
>hunt but muleys tags were
>gone so i got him
>a whitetail tag we never
>seen one whitetail n i
>know we were not really
>focused on them but if
>anyone can suggest a spot
>or unit we can go
>back n get him a
>fork or something i'd appreciate
>it hoping close within an
>hour or two from boise...or
>whatever....thanx...Manny

Maybe unit 23 around new meadows or riggins, but that will be buck only, if you want to head a little farther north than that he can shoot either sex in a lot of units with the whitetail tag
 
>>oh... my grandson at the last
>>minute decided he wanted to
>>hunt but muleys tags were
>>gone so i got him
>>a whitetail tag we never
>>seen one whitetail n i
>>know we were not really
>>focused on them but if
>>anyone can suggest a spot
>>or unit we can go
>>back n get him a
>>fork or something i'd appreciate
>>it hoping close within an
>>hour or two from boise...or
>>whatever....thanx...Manny
>
>Maybe unit 23 around new meadows
>or riggins, but that will
>be buck only, if you
>want to head a little
>farther north than that he
>can shoot either sex in
>a lot of units with
>the whitetail tag


thanx n God bless
 
Lol, we don't need your money or your black tails. And btw...there is an article on the general forum you should read. Its titled long range hunting. 450, wrong deer, shot in the knee....hmmmm? Love the pics and I'm glad you got a recovery, but I see a full body and a four wheeler, you didn't get far from a road either there chief.
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-03-18 AT 08:41PM (MST)[p]>Lol, we don't need your money
>or your black tails. And
>btw...there is an article on
>the general forum you should
>read. Its titled long range
>hunting. 450, wrong deer, shot
>in the knee....hmmmm? Love the
>pics and I'm glad you
>got a recovery, but I
>see a full body and
>a four wheeler, you didn't
>get far from a road
>either there chief.


i usually don't respond to pric's but i am 61 n i hoofed it up a few of those steep draws in 43 for the first 4 days of my hunt in my 49 years of hunting wy, Co, Nv, ectra never got any bs like i did here wish i could delete this because jealousy is fugly ... oh by the way i'll be back...n you can't do a dam thing about it

so just for the heck of it i'm posting just a couple blacktails i have taken when i was younger...

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Congratulations on a successful hunt. Hope things go as well for your grandson. The youngsters are the future. That's what it's all about!


Norkal

"One can take my life but not my faith or my
confidence. I fear none and respect all."
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-03-18 AT 10:05PM (MST)[p]Manny, take it easy man. The bucks here are too small then stay away. Nonresident hunting isn't a right, it's a privilege.

Congrats. I'm not sure why you have a chip on your shoulder but it seems like you're a nice guy trying to have good times with family. I can see how your words here would rub some the wrong way.
 
>Manny, take it easy man. The
>bucks here are too small
>then stay away. Nonresident hunting
>isn't a right, it's a
>privilege.
>
>Congrats. I'm not sure why you
>have a chip on your
>shoulder but it seems like
>you're a nice guy trying
>to have good times with
>family. I can see how
>your words here would rub
>some the wrong way.


i have been on this site for almost 15 years i guess i'm just naive to believe we are all hunters and would enjoy helping each other out i HAVE given info to many people on where to hunt here in oregon, i made an observation i did not see many people use or have bino's n the ones i talked to were complaining about not seeing a doe n if it offends someone when i mention a 60% die off and their still giving out doe tags WELL SOMETHINGS WRONG HERE, everyone should care about preserving our hunting heritage, i did not mean it to come from a more superior position just an observation...


privilege; once i buy a tag it becomes my right to harvest the animal i purchased the tag for, just my opinion tis all, idaho has changed and so did the hunting, with each new generation things slip away i would hate to see it happen to idaho i have family n friends who live there
 
>LAST EDITED ON Nov-03-18
>AT 08:41?PM (MST)
>
>>Lol, we don't need your money
>>or your black tails. And
>>btw...there is an article on
>>the general forum you should
>>read. Its titled long range
>>hunting. 450, wrong deer, shot
>>in the knee....hmmmm? Love the
>>pics and I'm glad you
Those R some big ass black tail
>>got a recovery, but I
>>see a full body and
>>a four wheeler, you didn't
>>get far from a road
>>either there chief.
>
>
>i usually don't respond to pric's
>but i am 61 n
>i hoofed it up a
>few of those steep draws
>in 43 for the first
>4 days of my hunt
>in my 49 years of
>hunting wy, Co, Nv, ectra
>never got any bs like
>i did here wish i
>could delete this because jealousy
>is fugly ... oh by
>the way i'll be back...n
>you can't do a dam
>thing about it
>
>so just for the heck of
>it i'm posting just a
>couple blacktails i have taken
>when i was younger...
>
>
32788mynontypical3.jpg

>
>
80903mytypical.jpg



Those R a couple of big ass Blacktails right there!
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-09-18 AT 10:49AM (MST)[p]My take on what happened. First I would like to say I have nothing against out of State hunters, all hunters are hunters.
But here's what happened at least in my observations.

I have hunted unit 43 for more than 20 years.
The Winter of 2016 devastated a lot of game in south Idaho.
Over the years its had it ups and downs for sure, the last time was when the wolves were in there thick, before Idaho was allowed to hunt them.
Around 2010 deer were not as plentiful in the area as they were in the years previous. Very few in and out of state hunters hunted the unit back then.
Then with wolf hunting allowed and mild winters, also with the regrowth from the Elk Complex fire, the deer and elk rebounded very quickly, the word was out! Go to unit 43. And people did and still do.
However the game population is down in my opinion to less than 50 percent of what it was after the 2016 winter kill.
During the first hunting season after a winter kill the damage caused is not as noticeable, however the second hunting season it is. Fish and Game said should be a good hunting season for 2018 due to the mild winter. And that is true if you only are after a yearling buck. As they said in there hunting check stations surveys, yearling bucks made up half of the deer checked in this year, the rest are most likely does. With very few mature bucks. (Go read check station surveys on there web site).
You also have to remember Fish and Game in Idaho is self funded.
(So yes they want to sell as many tags as they can), that's why there is still a general youth hunt in there after the 2016 winter, Any hunters from 10-17 years old can shoot does, also I think there are something like 200 controlled doe tags. They also commented on not having much weather this hunting season as part of the low checked in harvest reports.
Weather has not ever made a big difference for me hunting there.
The fact is the hunting in and around area 43 is going to be no better next year.

So question for anyone who will answer.
How will hunting in and around unit 43 get any better with the current game management and what should be done ?
 
How can we make hunting in and around unit 43 better? If you could find a way to geographically move that unit and unit 39 about 100 miles farther from the largest population center in the state it would help, otherwise those 2 units will eventually have to go to controlled hunts or possibly some sort of antler point restriction. There are just too many people who don't want to travel much beyond 1-2 hrs to hunt so those units will continue to suffer
 
Patience everyone. Let Mother Nature do her work.

Good thing is that the lazy hunters will get discouraged.

If you were a forkie hunter, you were very disappointed last year, but this year was better. If you were focused primarily on the next age class, then this year sucked for the 2.5 yr old 3x and small 4x's.

If you only hunt mature 4x's, then I don't think you were as disappointed as others, but you still saw less deer.

But, most of all, hope Mother Nature is not in a bad mood again for a few years.

I saw at least 1000 deer this year in about 10 days of total hunting. Yes, some of those were the same deer, day after day, but not as many as you think. I'd say 30-40% of those were fawns or yearlings. While that total is lower than what it would have been 3-5 years ago, it wasn't bad. I saw a similar high % of calves in my one day of elk hunting, in one group of about 100 head we chased that day.

I think the weather was particularly difficult on hunter success this year, but again, upside to that would be more holdover to next year. Should be a bunch of big forkies to 3x's next year. Never going to be a bunch of big bucks in an OTC hunt.
 
>Patience everyone. Let Mother Nature
>do her work.
>
>Good thing is that the lazy
>hunters will get discouraged.
>
>If you were a forkie hunter,
>you were very disappointed last
>year, but this year was
>better. If you were
>focused primarily on the next
>age class, then this year
>sucked for the 2.5 yr
>old 3x and small 4x's.
>
>
>If you only hunt mature 4x's,
>then I don't think you
>were as disappointed as others,
>but you still saw less
>deer.
>
>But, most of all, hope Mother
>Nature is not in a
>bad mood again for a
>few years.
>
>I saw at least 1000 deer
>this year in about 10
>days of total hunting.
>Yes, some of those were
>the same deer, day after
>day, but not as many
>as you think. I'd
>say 30-40% of those were
>fawns or yearlings. While
>that total is lower than
>what it would have been
>3-5 years ago, it wasn't
>bad. I saw a similar
>high % of calves in
>my one day of elk
>hunting, in one group of
>about 100 head we chased
>that day.
>
>I think the weather was particularly
>difficult on hunter success this
>year, but again, upside to
>that would be more holdover
>to next year. Should
>be a bunch of big
>forkies to 3x's next year.
> Never going to be
>a bunch of big bucks
>in an OTC hunt.

I don't think patience is the answer with 39. What other unit in the West allows 13000 hunters to hunt mule deer for 3 weeks a year? It's unsustainable. A lot of the deer in 39 during season summer in 43. I'm usually against changing to draw only but it's time for that to happen in unit 39
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-10-18 AT 02:45PM (MST)[p]Changing open units to draw only is the start of a slippery slope. Lots and lots of options available before we go down that road. I agree that our overall "wide open" deer hunts in Idaho need a change, but a draw is not an option 90% of Idahoans would be ok with. Start with narrowing down zones and weapons as we already do with elk, then get rid of the 25-31st massacre as they all migrate to winter range. That would eliminate a ton of harvest, not to mention guys/gals hunting from August 30th thru November 30th bouncing between archery and rifle.
 
I would personally prefer to lose one overcrowded deer unit to a draw only for rifle at a minimum as opposed to losing the flexibility to hunt multiple seasons/areas potentially each year. And up until this year I had primarily hunted unit 39, but that herd is headed the wrong direction and will continue to do so until something changes. The treasure valley is only going to continue to grow and 50% of those who come here who hunt will never make it past unit 39. When I moved here in 2008 there were approximately 8000 deer hunters per year in 39, last year was 13,000, the harvest percentage has pretty much hovered at around 20%. That is an extra 1000 bucks being taken from that herd each year. Add in the fact that it isn't just deer hunting pressure it is really year round from other recreational pursuits now as well. My partners and I killed 3 mule deer bucks in a different unit 3 hrs from Boise this season, each of those bucks had 2? of fat along their backs and on their rumps, I've never seen an ounce of fat on a deer that I've harvested in 39, those deer are run ragged and I for one won't participate in it anymore
 
andrew12gauge I tend to agree with you. I grew up hunting 39 in the 90's, took some good bucks and we were able to really get away from most other hunters by hiking in a couple miles. However, I worry about what making 39 into a controlled hunt might do to the units surrounding it- you mentioned the bucks you shot this year-correct me if I'm wrong but weren't those taken in a controlled hunt unit?

Those 13000+ hunters from 39 will go somewhere. Maybe cap it at say 2500 tags, make it a 1st choice controlled hunt... Even then that leaves over 10k hunters looking elsewhere- I could only imagine what 43 would look like then. I've proposed to IDFG in the past a deer season break out similar to CO w/1st/2nd/3rd/4th seasons- all draws in units like 39/43, one thing is for sure, the current system in those units is unsustainable and something needs to change.
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-11-18 AT 02:22PM (MST)[p]>How can we make hunting in
>and around unit 43 better?
>If you could find a
>way to geographically move that
>unit and unit 39 about
>100 miles farther from the
>largest population center in the
>state it would help, otherwise
>those 2 units will eventually
>have to go to controlled
>hunts or possibly some sort
>of antler point restriction. There
>are just too many people
>who don't want to travel
>much beyond 1-2 hrs to
>hunt so those units will
>continue to suffer

everyday while camped at anderson res there was a steady stream of vehicles it was scary i do not know how a unit that size can sustain its herd even in normal year
 
LOL....so it begins. What a God damn shame.











the artist formerly known as "gemstatejake".
 
>andrew12gauge I tend to agree with
>you. I grew up hunting
>39 in the 90's, took
>some good bucks and we
>were able to really get
>away from most other hunters
>by hiking in a couple
>miles. However, I worry about
>what making 39 into a
>controlled hunt might do to
>the units surrounding it- you
>mentioned the bucks you shot
>this year-correct me if I'm
>wrong but weren't those taken
>in a controlled hunt unit?
>
>
>Those 13000+ hunters from 39 will
>go somewhere. Maybe cap it
>at say 2500 tags, make
>it a 1st choice controlled
>hunt... Even then that leaves
>over 10k hunters looking elsewhere-
>I could only imagine what
>43 would look like then.
>I've proposed to IDFG in
>the past a deer season
>break out similar to CO
>w/1st/2nd/3rd/4th seasons- all draws in
>units like 39/43, one thing
>is for sure, the current
>system in those units is
>unsustainable and something needs to
>change

Changing to a controlled hunt for 39 would probably increase hunter effort, so I would guess that harvest rates would increase to roughly 40-50%, if we go back to 10 years ago the average harvest was 1500 per year, now it is around 3000 so let's say they try to manage for 1500 bucks taken out of 39. If we say 45% success that means they could give out roughly 3350 tags, so that will leave about 10,000 hunters per year displaced. A fair number of those may be the 2-3 days after they hunt their main unit kinda guys due to proximity so let's say 7500 guys displaced(I could be off but just a guess that 25% might be a fair number) if you spread those 7500 guys across 5-10 other units the increased pressure would be negligible. Or we can go on destroying a great deer herd just because it's close to Boise and it would be inconvenient to actually try and manage that deer herd.
 
It all goes back to what exactly do we want?

Because one thing is 100% certain and won't happen, we can't have a million tags, a million deer and a million 180" bucks.
 
>It all goes back to what
>exactly do we want?
>
>Because one thing is 100% certain
>and won't happen, we can't
>have a million tags, a
>million deer and a million
>180" bucks.

At this point I'm not even concerned with big bucks in units 39/43 I'm more concerned with how long the herd can sustain with further development of their winter range and unlimited hunting for 3 weeks besides all of the other pressure from controlled hunts/late archery
 
>>It all goes back to what
>>exactly do we want?
>>
>>Because one thing is 100% certain
>>and won't happen, we can't
>>have a million tags, a
>>million deer and a million
>>180" bucks.
>
>At this point I'm not even
>concerned with big bucks in
>units 39/43 I'm more concerned
>with how long the herd
>can sustain with further development
>of their winter range and
>unlimited hunting for 3 weeks
>besides all of the other
>pressure from controlled hunts/late archery
>


The bummer deal is the winter range development is never gonna slow down, not near the Treasure Valley. So don't hang onto that idea, that land is gone forever and not coming back.

Although I really enjoy that late archery hunt, I'd understand if they got rid of it.

In some areas of 39 and 43 though, there needs to be fewer deer.
 
>>>It all goes back to what
>>>exactly do we want?
>>>
>>>Because one thing is 100% certain
>>>and won't happen, we can't
>>>have a million tags, a
>>>million deer and a million
>>>180" bucks.
>>
>>At this point I'm not even
>>concerned with big bucks in
>>units 39/43 I'm more concerned
>>with how long the herd
>>can sustain with further development
>>of their winter range and
>>unlimited hunting for 3 weeks
>>besides all of the other
>>pressure from controlled hunts/late archery
>>
>
>
>The bummer deal is the winter
>range development is never gonna
>slow down, not near the
>Treasure Valley. So don't hang
>onto that idea, that land
>is gone forever and not
>coming back.
>
>Although I really enjoy that late
>archery hunt, I'd understand if
>they got rid of it.
>
>
>In some areas of 39 and
>43 though, there needs to
>be fewer deer.


If you think there need to be fewer deer in these 2 units that's fine, but the buck to doe ratio out there has to be near 1:50 or worse. Pretty sad when you can be out hunting for a day in mid November and see 250+ does and not even a forky with the does. Maybe the answer is more doe tags and a 3 or 4 pt minimum?
 
I would have to agree, a 3 point minimum would be the best option.
This would still allow anyone who wants to hunt the units to do so.

Also the general doe youth hunts should be changed to ages 10-12.
a 3 year period back like it used to be when they started it.
This would help with the weekend over crowding.
 
>so that will leave about
>10,000 hunters per year
>displaced. A fair number of
>those may be the 2-3
>days after they hunt their
>main unit kinda guys due
>to proximity so let's say
>7500 guys displaced(I could be
>off but just a guess
>that 25% might be a
>fair number) if you spread
>those 7500 guys across 5-10
>other units the increased pressure
>would be negligible.

Only displacing 7,500 guys? You really think it is only going to displace half the pressure. If 39 goes to a controlled hunt, it will definitely displace 10,000+ hunters who will be mostly directed to 2-4 other units not 5-10. The hunters there aren't willing to travel now, so they aren't just going to magically disperse themselves throughout the state. Your logic is severely flawed.

39 is a HUGE unit with some big country. There are big bucks killed in unit 39 every single season because there is a lot of country where they can hide. It is evident in the late archery hunt when you can see bucks everywhere. It can handle large amounts of pressure when compared with some surrounding units. Making 39 a controlled hunt would probably help 39, but it would damage the rest of the deer herds in the entire region. They definitely need to try other measures like 3 point or bigger on this unit before they make it controlled. If 39 goes controlled it will not be good for any of the general units in that part of the state, and could potentially cause more than a few units going to controlled hunts as well.

ANY unit going to a controlled hunt is a loss to hunters in Idaho. Those units never come back and only bring this state closer and closer to a Utah-esque management system. We don't want that here.
 
>>so that will leave about
>>10,000 hunters per year
>>displaced. A fair number of
>>those may be the 2-3
>>days after they hunt their
>>main unit kinda guys due
>>to proximity so let's say
>>7500 guys displaced(I could be
>>off but just a guess
>>that 25% might be a
>>fair number) if you spread
>>those 7500 guys across 5-10
>>other units the increased pressure
>>would be negligible.
>
>Only displacing 7,500 guys? You really
>think it is only going
>to displace half the pressure.
>If 39 goes to a
>controlled hunt, it will definitely
>displace 10,000+ hunters who will
>be mostly directed to 2-4
>other units not 5-10. The
>hunters there aren't willing to
>travel now, so they aren't
>just going to magically disperse
>themselves throughout the state. Your
>logic is severely flawed.
>
>39 is a HUGE unit with
>some big country. There are
>big bucks killed in unit
>39 every single season because
>there is a lot of
>country where they can hide.
>It is evident in the
>late archery hunt when you
>can see bucks everywhere. It
>can handle large amounts of
>pressure when compared with some
>surrounding units. Making 39 a
>controlled hunt would probably help
>39, but it would damage
>the rest of the deer
>herds in the entire region.
>They definitely need to try
>other measures like 3 point
>or bigger on this unit
>before they make it controlled.
>If 39 goes controlled it
>will not be good for
>any of the general units
>in that part of the
>state, and could potentially cause
>more than a few units
>going to controlled hunts as
>well.
>
>ANY unit going to a controlled
>hunt is a loss to
>hunters in Idaho. Those units
>never come back and only
>bring this state closer and
>closer to a Utah-esque management
>system. We don't want that
>here.

+1
 
>Maybe if your gonna slam Idahoans,
>kill our deer and then
>complain they're not big enough
>you should just stay home
>and hunt.


What do you mean our deer? They belong to everybody no matter what state a person lives in they are on federal land.
 
>
>>Maybe if your gonna slam Idahoans,
>>kill our deer and then
>>complain they're not big enough
>>you should just stay home
>>and hunt.
>
>
>What do you mean our deer?
>They belong to everybody no
>matter what state a person
>lives in they are on
>federal land.


I mean OUR deer pal. They are in the state of Idaho. They belong to the people of Idaho.

The mission statement for the Idaho Department of Fish and Game is found within the State of Idaho Wildlife Policy, which reads:

All wildlife, including all wild animals, wild birds, and fish, within the state of Idaho, is hereby declared to be the property of the state of Idaho. It shall be preserved, protected, perpetuated, and managed. It shall be only captured or taken at such times or places, under such conditions, or by such means, or in such manner, as will preserve, protect, and perpetuate such wildlife, and provide for the citizens of this state and, as by law permitted to others, continued supplies of such wildlife for hunting, fishing and trapping."
 
They belong to the state of Idaho and its residents. Read about wildlife for a bit and you'll learn that.

I'm not as worried about unit 39 and 43 as some of you are though I would have non resident hunting be all draw like Wyoming.
 
Idaho
"and provide for the citizens of this state and, as by law permitted to others." Read the whole mandate.

If it wasn't for revenue from non residents. You would be paying $200 dollars for your resident deer tag.
 
Been fighting the good fight here for years...arguing till I'm blue in the face. I told you if you can't police yourselves then someone will do it for you. Here it is. It's coming real soon and rightly so. If you habitually shoot does and forked horns, its your fault. If you do it with a thousand yard rifle and a side by side, it's your fault and your an #####...yup every restriction in the book needs thrown at you. No place for you and a well managed healthy deer herd. So you gotta go.




the artist formerly known as "gemstatejake".
 
Idaho is an "opportunity" state. Survey after survey, that is what the people of Idaho, and even NR's state as their priority.

Not sure I agree with the negative takes about the herd, at least as a long term concern instead of an after affect of the recent winter kill, but I think no matter what you think, the practical answer is IDFG would have to find compelling evidence of long term irreparable harm to the herd to consider changing from OTC to LE in 39.

Hell if they still allow general 2-pt hunts in the highly regarded unit 40, and the historical big buck zone 22, they aren't going to take 39 out.

So, while I'm sure both 39 and 43 might make great LE hunts over time, it won't happen because of the "opportunity" loss.
 
I don't think the late archery hunt is the problem. Success rates of archery hunts are pretty low. I've always thought that it would help to close the season on the 24th like many surrounding units. It would make bucks less vulnerable to the rut and the migration. There also wouldn't be the spill over of hunters from surrounding units closing. They could start the 39 bull hunt on the 25th. Mirror the 32 season. That unit can support a a late draw hunt that turns out some great bucks. The only reason I say that the bull hunt should directly follow is because Fish and Game biologists have told me that the hunts need to be that way to accommodate out of state hunters
 
"e 4x3 after not seeing anything for three daze he did not pass up that buck, he did hesitate for a sec but boom he was down..."

This is what happened to 43. and 39. and 23. and 36. and 55. every other general unit in idaho. for almost 20 years ive been relocating and rescouting little pockets of deer only to have a new group of washington dbag hunters come in and shoot them out. if im letting 170s grow in hopes they make 180, the washies come in and fill tags. the next year they take the 160s, then they take the 150s. sometimes they're the ones buying two tags, accelerating the process. Rarely do you see them hold out for mature deer, the mentality is to shoot the best they see, even if its a 3 yr old. rinse, repeat until all you have is forkies. they all seem to have the same mentality, idaho is the promised land becuase there is slightly less competition than washington. they completely miss the point that they are the reason washington sucks too.

as GSK mentions, we have to police ourselves. if only it were that easy. unfortunately, the populous of hunters is starting to think bucks like the ones pictured in this thread are "mature" and shooters. but hey, they're the best you saw in 3 days of hunting, so better get em out of the herd and punch those tags.
 
>I don't think the late archery
>hunt is the problem.
>Success rates of archery hunts
>are pretty low. I've always
>thought that it would help
>to close the season on
>the 24th like many surrounding
>units. It would make
>bucks less vulnerable to the
>rut and the migration.
>There also wouldn't be the
>spill over of hunters
>from surrounding units closing.
>They could start the 39
>bull hunt on the 25th.
>Mirror the 32 season.
>That unit can support a
>a late draw hunt that
>turns out some great bucks.
> The only reason I
>say that the bull hunt
>should directly follow is because
>Fish and Game biologists have
>told me that the hunts
>need to be that way
>to accommodate out of state
>hunters

I don't necessarily think that the late archery hunt is a problem due to overharvest, I think that the fact that there is somebody deer hunting in unit 39 all but 18 days between August 15-December 16, and 14 of those days are open to elk hunting. Add in huge harvest numbers during general rifle season and it's a grim outlook. The last 2 years of hunting late archery I have seen less than 5 bucks per season hunting 3-4 days and seeing 200+ does each of those days. Buck to doe ratios are way out of whack and there is no time for the deer to actually rut in unit 39 due to constant pressure
 
>Idaho is an "opportunity" state.
>Survey after survey, that is
>what the people of Idaho,
>and even NR's state as
>their priority.
>
>Not sure I agree with the
>negative takes about the herd,
>at least as a long
>term concern instead of an
>after affect of the recent
>winter kill, but I think
>no matter what you think,
>the practical answer is IDFG
>would have to find compelling
>evidence of long term irreparable
>harm to the herd to
>consider changing from OTC to
>LE in 39.
>
>Hell if they still allow general
>2-pt hunts in the highly
>regarded unit 40, and the
>historical big buck zone 22,
>they aren't going to take
>39 out.
>
>So, while I'm sure both 39
>and 43 might make great
>LE hunts over time, it
>won't happen because of the
>"opportunity" loss.

I've heard rumblings that IDFG may be re-examining the 2 pt hunts in the owyhees soon.

I asked a IDFG bio if they plan to address the 39 hunts anytime soon and he said they manage 39 strictly as an opportunity hunt, I said what about the fact that hunter numbers and harvest are rising precipitously and he said that may be my perspective, but their own harvest statistics page shows the rapid climb over the last 10 years. Managing a unit for opportunity only works great until there is no opportunity left.
 
55 has never been an open hunt. I personally hunt to eat the game I could care less about the horn size. Everyone does it the way they want which is fine. If you like letting them live to get bigger go ahead but someone else might shoot it in the mean time. I guess if that is not ok with you maybe you should buy a tall fence and raise your own deer.
 
I guess 55 is open archery. I have property there and spend lots of time there and don't usually see a ton of Washington plates on trucks. Mostly eastern Idaho and Utah.
 
Very interesting the different comments & input on this post . If you read the Fish & NO game reports posted last year & this year {on the IF&NG website} they Repeatedly commented on the 60 to 80% winter kill the 2016 /17 winter. But they still had regular season hunts & controlled hunts & They still offered the NON-Resident deer tags to anyone that wanted to HELP eliminate the remaining deer. They stated the harvest in 2017 killed a big percentage of the remaining bucks & does . Then they said it will take 2 to 3 years to bring the herd #s back ?? Yet again this season there was the same general hunts same controlled hunts same leftover NON-Res tags that were sold out !!! I read the opening weekend check station reports & they stated the low harvest was due to the rain & snow !! The 2nd weekend check station report again had similar reports again low harvest #s Again weather related { Warm weather this time } I took my grand daughter down to unit 40 looking to get her a forkie saw maybe 20 does , we came thru the Marsing check station on Sunday the 21st. I asked the guy how this years harvest was looking , he said Pretty good, said opening weekend they checked 44 on Sat 55 on Sun ??? Then said on the 20th they checked 4 . And on the day we came thru they had counted ZERO that was right at 5 pm . He said that the majority of the hunters checked seen very few bucks !!! So what is it going to take before these guys figure it out ?? For all of those that bought & keep buying the leftover Non-res tags you have NO right to complain about lack of animals !!!
 
Owyhees used to be an open any buck hunt back in the day.
Then it was changed to an "opportunity hunt as they call it". And the 2 point restriction was created. So that everyone who wanted could still hunt down there.
I would not like to see 39 or 43 changed in that direction.
But something does need to be done.
If all I could hunt were 2 points I would just stop hunting deer. And why anyone would pay the high prices of out of State tag fees to do so is beyond me.
I hope Fish and Game can find a way to keep everyone happy, that is why I think the 3 point restriction may be the best option.
2 points don't last long the first week of the season most have been taken and with a extremely low population of mature bucks in 39 and 43 there will be a slim chance for recovery if the 2 point do not survive the season.
Just look at the Owyhees there is not a huge population of big bucks down there either.
 
I agree with you. I would hate to see the late archery hunt disappear because it offers hunting opportunity with low harvest. If they hadn't been hunted so consistently from August on, the herd wouldn't be in as bad of shape. I've seen a lot of rutting activity on that hunt over the years and the archery hunt doesn't seem to impact it that much. I really do think a shorter rifle season ending on the 24th would help. A lot of deer get killed in the pre rut that takes place on the last few days of October. They could shorten the early hunt too. It's a month and a half long right now
 
>Owyhees used to be an open
>any buck hunt back in
>the day.
>Then it was changed to an
>"opportunity hunt as they call
>it". And the 2 point
>restriction was created. So that
>everyone who wanted could still
>hunt down there.
>I would not like to see
>39 or 43 changed in
>that direction.
>But something does need to be
>done.
>If all I could hunt were
>2 points I would just
>stop hunting deer. And why
>anyone would pay the high
>prices of out of State
>tag fees to do so
>is beyond me.
>I hope Fish and Game can
>find a way to keep
>everyone happy, that is why
>I think the 3 point
>restriction may be the best
>option.
>2 points don't last long the
>first week of the season
>most have been taken and
>with a extremely low population
>of mature bucks in 39
>and 43 there will be
>a slim chance for recovery
>if the 2 point do
>not survive the season.
>Just look at the Owyhees there
>is not a huge population
>of big bucks down there
>either.
>


i would not be so keen on a 3 point restriction unit back in the early 80's there was a unit with a 3 point or better restriction and lasted one year people kept finding two points shot n left to rot n i have seen 4 year old forks not sure it would work better then cutting tags...

after seeing what 43 had to hold for deer in general that unit should be shut down for 3 years min....
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-17-18 AT 11:12AM (MST)[p]after seeing what 43 had to hold for deer in general that unit should be shut down for 3 years min....

Yes that is a fact !, Its toast. I am hunting another unit next year, as i did part of this season this year. I have seen this happen before in this unit. Not many general hunt units stay hot forever.
I've not seen one decent buck taken out of unit 43 this year or last year. Or posted on this site.
Has anyone ?
Be interesting to see this years harvest reports, if I remember correctly last years harvest was already down in this unit by about 1/3 from 2016.
 
I hunted 43 for 4 days this year and saw a total of 10 deer. 1 buck, 2 yr old 2x3. passed on him. I'll be hunting another unit next year.
 

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