New rule for capped zone tag sales

idahohuntr · Jan 10, 2019

I see IDFG is exploring a rule change that those who put in for controlled hunts will not be allowed to purchase a tag from a capped zone on the first day of tag sales. Their analysis showed that 60% of people purchasing a sawtooth zone tag also applied for a controlled hunt. But this would also apply to all other capped zones (e.g., Diamond Cr, Weiser, Dworshak, Elk City, Salmon etc...)

Seems like a reasonable idea to me that allows hunters to prioritize and ensure opportunity is spread amongst hunters.

Deepcolor · Jan 10, 2019

Buuuut what do you do when you don't draw that tag and all the capped tags are sold out? Seems kinda clunky to me. Put the capped tags as a draw, basically doing it anyway with this proposal.

Just my humble opinion.

jetsled · Jan 10, 2019

Take your pick, should slightly improve draw odds and decrease some demand on capped hunts. Seems like a win, win. Cant appease everyone, but at least it's not a draw! Worse case you go buy an otc tag in another zone....big deal. Although the option 2 proposal F&G gave to the commission in November was better, but they pussed out and left capped tags the way they were.

idhikker · Jan 11, 2019

I'd be real interested in a link to the article. Thanks.

I think this is a good idea.

customweld · Jan 11, 2019

>I'd be real interested in a
>link to the article. Thanks.
>
>
>I think this is a good
>idea.

https://idfg.idaho.gov/sites/default/files/commission/7._a._goldsheet_7a.pdf

spotnstalkID · Jan 13, 2019

I like it. It makes you commit and choose. Those that truly want to hunt the Sawtooth tag will have a better chance at getting a tag, it may take enough people that commit to the sawtooth tag out of the controlled hunt draws increasing those odds, etc. It will hurt people like myself that put in for controlled hunts and pick a Sawtooth tag up as a backup, but I'm willing to sacrifice that. I think they need to move toward choosing weapons or at least choosing zones to limit the amount of pressure on some animals in some areas. Too many people these days to not do anything about it.

spotnstalkID

twsnow18 · Jan 13, 2019

Although it would kinda suck, I get it.

Honestly I like the way it is now. It's basically like a draw. Can be hard to get the tag but at least you have a chance.

As it is currently, if you really really want the tag, you can wait in line all night at vendors. And if no luck in person, you have a chance online. Even now, it seems like the guys that I know, that live to hunt the sawtooths, seem to end up with the tag about every other year. That's not bad, in my book.

A lot of people want a sawtooth tag, but not as many people REALLY want a sawtooth tag.

BPKHunter · Jan 14, 2019

So to clarify, this is an idea the OP is promoting, not something that is actually in discussion by the Commission?

You worded it a little like they are considering this now.

So you want to promote that you have to choose to apply for a draw that is not guaranteed, or submit to a fist come first serve limited tag, that may not be guaranteed either. Clearly hunters should be thicker skinned that this.

Should we also limit someone who obtains a limited quota tag from buying another for a few years? Clearly under the logic of the idea being promoted, an additional waiting period is logical, correct?

PS I'm not mad at all that twsnow stole my Sawtooth tag last year and killed my Bull!!!!! Well maybe a little.

twsnow18 · Jan 14, 2019

>PS I'm not mad at
>all that twsnow stole my
>Sawtooth tag last year and
>killed my Bull!!!!! Well
>maybe a little.

You would have passed on him! The meats more than a little chewy.

Dman · Jan 14, 2019

This seems like it's mostly a Sawtooth unit issue. How many of the other capped zones sell out in minutes? Maybe Beaverhead??
Looks like of the 14 capped zones 6 of those didn't even sell out. Weiser zone has something like 4K tags allotted... it took months for those to sell out.

to be honest, i think if a capped tag allotment sells out in minutes it tells you a lot about the demand... Something like that should just be a draw. As mentioned above it's almost a draw right now... but instead it's a "timed draw" which makes it more of a race than anything!
Now I don't know how many people "really want" a sawtooth tag now that are NOT getting them. But if that number is significant, this proposal may not even eliminate the race.

The one positive thing about the draw system in Idaho is that you need to wait out the year after you draw... making it easier for the people that really want the tag to draw the following year. Might end up with the same every other year draw as suggested above AND eliminate the silly race or camping out at a vendor!

With increasing demand there i no way to make everybody happy with limited tags, but a draw would most certainly be the fairest way to distribute them.

Certainly all of the zones with capped tags don't need to go to a draw... just not necessary unless the demand goes the way of Sawtooth example.

Just an opinion from somebody that does NOT hunt the Sawtooths.

Dman

idahohuntr · Jan 14, 2019

>So to clarify, this is an
>idea the OP is promoting,
>not something that is actually
>in discussion by the Commission?
>
>
>You worded it a little like
>they are considering this now.
>
>
>So you want to promote that
>you have to choose to
>apply for a draw that
>is not guaranteed, or submit
>to a fist come first
>serve limited tag, that may
>not be guaranteed either.
>Clearly hunters should be thicker
>skinned that this.
>
>Should we also limit someone who
>obtains a limited quota tag
>from buying another for a
>few years? Clearly under
>the logic of the idea
>being promoted, an additional waiting
>period is logical, correct?
>
>PS I'm not mad at
>all that twsnow stole my
>Sawtooth tag last year and
>killed my Bull!!!!! Well
>maybe a little.
>
>
>
Incorrect - I just posted a synopsis of what is on the IDFG Commission agenda. They are actively discussing it...but I do like the idea - seems fair to me.

andrew12gauge · Jan 14, 2019

I like it, I've never bought a capped tag anyway but I've been looking into a capped zone for elk in the future and I think this makes perfect sense. If you don't draw and don't get a capped zone tag you just go buy an unlimited zone, so it's not taking any opportunity from anybody it is just making people prioritize like they have done for moose goat and sheep already for years.

TjsNW1022 · Jan 16, 2019

They are only looking at suspending the controlled hunt applicants for the initial rush, so a few of the capped zones would be sold out yes. However, you'd still be able to pick up one of the other handful of capped tags as they take weeks and sometimes months to sell out.

I like the idea... spreads out the opportunity and would easily increase odds for both sides.

BPKHunter · Jan 18, 2019

>>So to clarify, this is an
>>idea the OP is promoting,
>>not something that is actually
>Incorrect - I just posted a
>synopsis of what is on
>the IDFG Commission agenda.
>They are actively discussing it...but
>I do like the idea
>- seems fair to me.
>

Thanks for the clarification idahohuntr!

I tried twice to obtain a Sawtooth tag and failed both times when others succeeded, so maybe I'm just bitter. The fact that twsnow drew both times, makes me feel confident it's not a skills test!!