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Yep the fires will really change things. The west side is probably settled into the "new normal", it will probably be like it is now for many years. The east side, the area that I lived in and hunted all growing up, is still shaking out what will be normal for the next 30 years after the 2015 fire. Alot different than it was that is for sure. The elk and deer seem to have been hit pretty hard by the fire in the east, I hope there is a silver lining somewhere but for now its pretty rough.
It's more the cats than anything else. but if you talk to ODFW they have a line of bullchit about poor habitat conditions being the cause the last 20 years. this is total crap, and if you call them on it they just shine you on and basically tell you to go to hell.
The winter of 91-92 , or was it 92-93? was a real deer killer in Murderers Creek and most of eastern Oregon, but the deer numbers are worse now than then. if this winter continues it will be disaster and the numbers could be sent even lower. Never fear ODFW won't cut tag numbers , they have a budget to meet so the dink whackers and deer campers are safe.
The elk numbers are down from their highs but still decent, nothing cutting tag numbers and limiting archery tags wouldn't cure. the deer are going to need more drastic measures if we're ever to see them rebound. and I have little hope of that. even less in ODFW .
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The winter of 91-92 , or was it 92-93? was a real deer killer in Murderers Creek and most of eastern Oregon, but the deer numbers are worse now than then. if this winter continues it will be disaster and the numbers could be sent even lower. Never fear ODFW won't cut tag numbers , they have a budget to meet so the dink whackers and deer campers are safe.
The elk numbers are down from their highs but still decent, nothing cutting tag numbers and limiting archery tags wouldn't cure. the deer are going to need more drastic measures if we're ever to see them rebound. and I have little hope of that. even less in ODFW .
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+1 Cougars are a huge problem! And the biggest issue is, there is not just 1 problem facing the deer recovery, there are many! There are so many things against the deer right now, however, if you could mitigate a few of them (cougars, poaching and doe tags for instance) they may have a chance to stabilize. Unfortunately, most of the problems take money to solve and they can't make more money if they drop tag numbers but the deer can't recover if they keep tag numbers too high, and so it goes.
I went elk hunting today by La Grande. I saw about 70 deer. Sounds great but in that many I only saw 2 fawns. I saw two Coyotes chasing deer. I'm no Biologist but I seen the problem first hand. Didn't see a cat track all day. But I saw over 100 sets of coyote tracks. Was in over a foot of snow. Wish they would throw a bounty on them like Utah.
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No question cyotes are a huge problem. and they're one of the few things OR hunters can have an impact on without ODFW involvement.
A few years ago I was hunting deer on Aldrich in the snow and I cut more lion tracks than deer tracks one day. that is the honest truth.
We have 10" of snow on the valley floor today and more snow and frigid cold in the forecast. it's not even Christmas yet, we're one bad winter from a deer disaster I hope this isn't it.
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A few years ago I was hunting deer on Aldrich in the snow and I cut more lion tracks than deer tracks one day. that is the honest truth.
We have 10" of snow on the valley floor today and more snow and frigid cold in the forecast. it's not even Christmas yet, we're one bad winter from a deer disaster I hope this isn't it.
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