Applying in Oregon
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oregonmuley
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Per the 2018 hunt description book and the tags per unit listing it looks like there will be something like 6 total non-res sheep tags. 5 California tags and 1 Rocky tag in Lookout Mtn unit.
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nwhunter
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Spend your money elsewhere is my advise.. I thought it was a good idea 18 years ago to start applying in Oregon to draw an elk tag in 8-10 years. Still haven't drawn it and license has gone up 200%... Oh and I apply for sheep while I'm at it every year and no dice there either...
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>Oregon is absolutely a trophy state
>for sheep. second only
>to MT. it's
>just not worth the money
>for the stupidly low odds
>of drawing.
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>Stay Thirsty My Friends
The odds are really bad! I have met several people who say they have been applying for 40 or more years and never drawn. I have also met three people in the last two years who have drawn the first time they applied. Two were Steens tags, and one was Beatys Butte.
Those people always amaze me!!!
>for sheep. second only
>to MT. it's
>just not worth the money
>for the stupidly low odds
>of drawing.
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>
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>Stay Thirsty My Friends
The odds are really bad! I have met several people who say they have been applying for 40 or more years and never drawn. I have also met three people in the last two years who have drawn the first time they applied. Two were Steens tags, and one was Beatys Butte.
Those people always amaze me!!!
osu92
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>> I have
>also met three people in
>the last two years who
>have drawn the first time
>they applied. Two were Steens
>tags, and one was Beatys
>Butte.
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>Those people always amaze me!!!
You simply can't convince me that Oregon's draw system doesn't give preference to first time applicants in the sheep and goat draws. It happens WAY too often to be a statistical anomaly. Go to the goat/sheep orientation any year, and there will easily be 10-20% of the room raise their hands when they ask how many tagholders are first time applicants. It's a freaking joke!
>also met three people in
>the last two years who
>have drawn the first time
>they applied. Two were Steens
>tags, and one was Beatys
>Butte.
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>Those people always amaze me!!!
You simply can't convince me that Oregon's draw system doesn't give preference to first time applicants in the sheep and goat draws. It happens WAY too often to be a statistical anomaly. Go to the goat/sheep orientation any year, and there will easily be 10-20% of the room raise their hands when they ask how many tagholders are first time applicants. It's a freaking joke!
ByeByeObamas
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Only advantage is that there is an equal chance for a 1st year guy...as for a 22nd year guy. If a guy just wants a chance.
kickerbuck
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>First time applicants do seem to
>draw an unusually large percentage
>of the sheep tags,
>especially when they are women
>or youth. Coincidence???
One of the Steens Sheep tag holders I talked to last year was a lady. She was with her husband and dad. And yes it was her 1st time applying. She actually didn't end up getting one though.
>draw an unusually large percentage
>of the sheep tags,
>especially when they are women
>or youth. Coincidence???
One of the Steens Sheep tag holders I talked to last year was a lady. She was with her husband and dad. And yes it was her 1st time applying. She actually didn't end up getting one though.
LAST EDITED ON May-08-18 AT 00:45AM (MST)[p]
>You simply can't convince me that
>Oregon's draw system doesn't give
>preference to first time applicants
>in the sheep and goat
>draws. It happens WAY
>too often to be a
>statistical anomaly.
Think thru the draw process then ask yourself again.
>You simply can't convince me that
>Oregon's draw system doesn't give
>preference to first time applicants
>in the sheep and goat
>draws. It happens WAY
>too often to be a
>statistical anomaly.
Think thru the draw process then ask yourself again.
osu92
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>LAST EDITED ON May-08-18
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>>You simply can't convince me that
>>Oregon's draw system doesn't give
>>preference to first time applicants
>>in the sheep and goat
>>draws. It happens WAY
>>too often to be a
>>statistical anomaly.
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>Think thru the draw process then
>ask yourself again.
I still ride with Brian on this. Plus, anecdotal evidence suggests it's there. I've seen it with my eyes way too often. I realize I'm likely off base, but it's hard not to trust what I see and it's even harder to trust ODFW. ;-)
http://www.ifish.net/board/showthread.php?t=736657
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>>You simply can't convince me that
>>Oregon's draw system doesn't give
>>preference to first time applicants
>>in the sheep and goat
>>draws. It happens WAY
>>too often to be a
>>statistical anomaly.
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>Think thru the draw process then
>ask yourself again.
I still ride with Brian on this. Plus, anecdotal evidence suggests it's there. I've seen it with my eyes way too often. I realize I'm likely off base, but it's hard not to trust what I see and it's even harder to trust ODFW. ;-)
http://www.ifish.net/board/showthread.php?t=736657
LAST EDITED ON May-09-18 AT 09:01PM (MST)[p]In Oregon, the computer doesn't determine who draws a Sheep tag.
Oregon goes "up" from a seed number rather than zero like other western states.
Prior to the May 15 deadline, when you apply, you're given a random number. Once that's done, the "draw computer" is no longer a viable part of the process.
In June, ODFW has a public meeting where a bunch of old timers from the public pick numbered ping pong balls out of a tumbler, one person and ball at a time. They do this till they have a 10 digit "seed number" and repeat the process for each species.
When tags are allocated, they start at that seed number and go up to 9,999,999,999 then continue from zero. Other than your points in the PP draw, this seed number is the determining factor in who draws.
To have some "anomaly" that gives preference to a first timer or youth,
the computer would have to look at your app,
determine that you needed preference,
look into the future to see the 10 digits those random people will pull out of the spinning box,
come back to present time,
check all previous app random numbers to make sure your number was the first one above that seed number,
then, keeping your random number in memory,
create all subsequent random numbers above yours.
Oregon goes "up" from a seed number rather than zero like other western states.
Prior to the May 15 deadline, when you apply, you're given a random number. Once that's done, the "draw computer" is no longer a viable part of the process.
In June, ODFW has a public meeting where a bunch of old timers from the public pick numbered ping pong balls out of a tumbler, one person and ball at a time. They do this till they have a 10 digit "seed number" and repeat the process for each species.
When tags are allocated, they start at that seed number and go up to 9,999,999,999 then continue from zero. Other than your points in the PP draw, this seed number is the determining factor in who draws.
To have some "anomaly" that gives preference to a first timer or youth,
the computer would have to look at your app,
determine that you needed preference,
look into the future to see the 10 digits those random people will pull out of the spinning box,
come back to present time,
check all previous app random numbers to make sure your number was the first one above that seed number,
then, keeping your random number in memory,
create all subsequent random numbers above yours.
Willametteriveroutlaw
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Brad,
Where are you from? If you want to do a decent elk hunt, you can draw rifle every 3-5 years as a nr. You can draw an opportunity deer tag about the same frequency, and you can hunt OTC archery every year. Its an opportunity state, not a quality state. I wouldn't out in for antelope, but getting the other options might not be a bad idea.
Where are you from? If you want to do a decent elk hunt, you can draw rifle every 3-5 years as a nr. You can draw an opportunity deer tag about the same frequency, and you can hunt OTC archery every year. Its an opportunity state, not a quality state. I wouldn't out in for antelope, but getting the other options might not be a bad idea.
BradA
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I'm from California, yeah I have always been under the understanding that Oregon is a opportunity state and not so much a trophy state. I was considering it because I really want to go on a sheep hunt and so I apply for every state I can to up my odds of draw one, but I would also use Oregon as a rotation hunt for certain species to be able to go out of state and see new areas and learn more.
Willametteriveroutlaw
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>Reading and getting more familiar with
>the states preference point system
>I am now aware there
>are no points for sheep
>and goats, which I can
>see as being good and
>bad
The odds are better than NM or many other states for sheep in Oregon.. (still crappy though)
I agree there is no scientific reason why first time applicants draw more often, but at every orientation I've been to, it seems like 50% are first or second time applicants.
>the states preference point system
>I am now aware there
>are no points for sheep
>and goats, which I can
>see as being good and
>bad
The odds are better than NM or many other states for sheep in Oregon.. (still crappy though)
I agree there is no scientific reason why first time applicants draw more often, but at every orientation I've been to, it seems like 50% are first or second time applicants.
