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This magnificent buck was taken in 2013 by Brian Dallons in Nevada County. The impressive rack grossed a whopping 207 4/8" as a typical and 229 1/8" as a NT. It is the largest blacktail to be taken in the state.

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How could that buck possibly be recorded as a Blacktail? Sure there may be some deer in the lower elevations that may look mostly blacktail but there also many Mule deer and hybrids that live, winter, and breed in the exact same areas.

Somebody is full of crap here!

That said, heck of a buck!!

Joey


"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
 
There was an article in the Ca Game and Fish magazine about this buck. This guy owns 11 acres or so that borders public land. This buck would come onto his property and the guy has pics of the buck. Ended up arrowing this buck too high in the archery season and never found him. Later in the season he saw him and he was fine so he waited for rifle season to kill him. Great buck...

Cancer doesn't discriminate...don't take your good health for granted because it can be gone in a heartbeat. Please go back and read the last line. This time really understand what it says.
 
Everytime someone kills a big buck in California they try to convince anyone that will listen that it is blacktail....
 
^^^^ couldn't agree more, they are not a blacktail but a cross, oh well much the less great muley or blacktail !
 
That is a great buck. Only bucks killed on the west side of I-5 can be scored as a blacktail.
 
That's a GREAT CA buck.......reminds me of my world record tule elk I arrowed in Arizona. :)

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That's a wonderful buck! Like others have said though, bucks from the Sierra foothills are considered mule deer, not black tails. I've hunted some El Dorado county ranches for the last 36 years, and some of the mature bucks I've taken might weigh only 100-125 pounds on the hoof and appear to be pure black tails, while some others weigh 175-200 lbs. and are crosses or pure mule deer. there is a mix of everything in the foothills.
 
Tristate says his buddy told him there is a "inland blacktail" category.:)

Eel

It's written in the good Book that we'll never be asked to take more than we can. Sounds like a good plan, so bring it on!
 
Nevada county is mule deer area.
But do not let anyone tell you California doed not produce some great pure blacktails. Here is on from this year.
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Bill
 
The article referred to it as an "inland Blacktail"...and I wondered if this was something "new"?
The article also read that the hunter didn't "wait" for rifle season to kill him, but rather hunted to find this buck and finally had another opportunity during the rifle season. He did not use a rifle the second time around...but, arrowed the buck. (on the same exact trail he arrowed him on before)
Just to clarify, the article also said that the hunter owns "a 4 acre parcel that is surrounded by a 350 acres of additional undeveloped private lands"
I don't understand the entry into the book as a Blacktail, but I am pretty sure this buck would be top 10 in CA as a mule deer too...
Great buck!!!
 
....this was an article authored by an eldarado for an audience of eldarados....

"As democracy is perfected, the office of the President represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day, the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be occupied by a downright fool and complete narcissistic moron."
- H.L. Mencken, the Baltimore Evening Sun, July 26, 1920
 
"The impressive rack grossed a whopping 207 4/8" as a typical and 229 1/8" as a NT. It is the largest blacktail..."

Look at that upper Pic again and do you see those kind of numbers?

I see a 180-185" typical frame with 6-7" al least of deductions as a typical and a minus 200" non-typ gross. Pic's can be hard to judge but that buck looks a long ways from 230".

Joey


"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
 
Great buck no matter how you look at it, 200 inch bucks are rare anywhere let alone California. Calling it a blacktail is a bit misleading though and I agree, that 229 score doesn't seem right. I don't see 22 inches of extras. I'd say more like 207 non typical and 185 typical. Pics can be decieveing.
 
I am sure what's going on here is you all are assuming it was measured for p&y or b&c for the book! Probably it was measured for the California record book which seperate diffrent species within the state like this inland blacktail species.I know Brian and so does my brother goingdeep,were not good friends with him but we know him. I don't think he's trying to pull anything making this out to be a pure blacktail I honestly my self would guess he has know idea where the blacktail border is and the magazine hyped it up!
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I have no doubt that is what happened 6x7........article wriiters often embarrass the subject with idiotic statements.

"As democracy is perfected, the office of the President represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day, the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be occupied by a downright fool and complete narcissistic moron."
- H.L. Mencken, the Baltimore Evening Sun, July 26, 1920
 
Nice try eldorko, as it's been said on this sight b4 u just come here to spy on people n u know jack about hunting, stick to the political forum next time....
 
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lol manny.....he needs to try fooling the fans, not the players....


"As democracy is perfected, the office of the President represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day, the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be occupied by a downright fool and complete narcissistic moron."
- H.L. Mencken, the Baltimore Evening Sun, July 26, 1920
 
Manny your paranoia is getting the best of you.

The CA G&F article described this buck as a blacktail so I will leave it at that.

Eldorado
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-14-14 AT 11:07AM (MST)[p]Regarding the "Inland Blacktail" status.....
EASTMAN'S HUNTING JOURNAL Aug.- Sept.2013 issue, there was an article on a 185 2/8 inch buck taken on the Sierra crest west of Lake Tahoe. A side bar note on that story says the following.....

"California Blacktails:Genetic research has changed record book blacktail definitions and boundaries.
Genetic research by a team of California Department of Fish and Wildlife biologists in 2006 was compilied in a document that states there are five genetic clusters of deer in the Golden State and there are two distinct genetic blacktail clusters: the "northwest cluster" (these would be the Columbian blacktails) and the "central cluster." The California Records of Big Game(CRBG) Calls the central deer "inland blacktails." This cluster encompasses most of Northern California from the western edge of the Sacramento Valley, east to the Sierra Crest and from about the city of Redding, south to near Fresno.
According to the CDFW map (dna%20map)in the DNA document Columbian blacktails are limited, in most part, only to the North Coast mountain ranges in the far northwest corner of the state and do NOT extend east of Interstate 5 until near Redding. From there, their range runs east of I-5, up Hwy. 299 and the Pit River drainage.The CRBG changed their blacktail boundaries in 2011 to reflectthe new DNA evidence.
It is interesting that the Record Book for Washington's Big Game Animals divides that state's blacktails into Western, Columbian and Cascade."


Now let the argueing begin! LOL!
 
Sweet buck and congrats. Prob the hardest ting is to classify some of these California deer. The group I hunt with refer to certain herds as more Blacktail from their habits , body size and tails. That being said I don't think we would ever try to score them as blacktails because of the chance of hybrid and above all why open up yourself so everyone else's opinions when it does not really matter if your happy. I have read about the change of stance about INLAND blacktails and herd genetics differing them and it seems to be on point for most part. Cool story on how that buck survived and the hunter prevailed a 2nd time!
 
I spoke with Jim Heffelfinger at the last P&Y Convention. He had just completed a DNA study for B&C specifically on this subject. What he told me was he found ZERO blacktail DNA strands in the areas of CA that many feel are hybrids (foothills of Sierras). This is the most recent comprehensive study done in the Golden State by an independent source (not F&W).

Here's a link to more info on the study.

http://www.boone-crockett.org/educationPrograms/education_gia.asp?area=educationPrograms



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LAST EDITED ON Nov-14-14 AT 01:51PM (MST)[p] I believe that it has been proven as fact that Muleys and blacktails do mix and have offspring.

Trying to say that here are no Blacktail Genetics in the Deer around where i live and usually hunt, the foothill and above Country East of RedBluff, is like telling me that my truck is a Ford when i know and everyone else can clearly see that it is a Chevy.

As i said above, Mule Deer do occasionally show up around this area but for the most part, this herd is comprised of deer that Winter down toward the Valley and mostly exhibit Blacktail Genetics and characteristics.

If it looks walks, talks, and lives like a Duck,...

Maybe a deer can look just like a Blacktail but have only Muley DNA, that i don't know, but as of right now, it's the only conclusion that i can draw if i care to give that study any credit at all because what i'm seeing with my own eyes is not a Muley or a Ford, it's a Chevy!

Joey


"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
 
Studies and reports often are skewed for multiple different reasons. We watched University biologist here on my home lake doing forage base studies for US fish and wildlife and will just say that one was released when his data was not what they wanted and it showed a healthy fishery. Then we watched the newly contracted biologists attempt to trap garage fish for food web studies in areas totally void of the bait and stating we had a dying forage base. Locals and professionals had to laugh and while they were on the water when we went over trapped dozens within a half hour and showed them. Speechless was best way to describe but the report was released and showed no evidence of forage fish. He provides the desired data gets the funding and grants. Just an example but it is interesting to see what everyone thinks, I am with Sage on this, we travel to hunt certain portions of our zones, Muleys, other portions no mules, and thats that.
 
I just read NickW's post again and in there, " The California Records of Big Game(CRBG) Calls the central deer "inland blacktails." This cluster encompasses most of Northern California from the western edge of the Sacramento Valley, east to the Sierra Crest and from about the city of Redding, south to near Fresno."

OK, what they are calling the "inland Blacktail", we have been calling the Hybrid or "cross bred" bucks for years. Some guys up North call them "Benchlegs".

In any event, same critter, mostly Blacktail with some muley potentially mixed in. Very common and anybody that sees one up close, would never mistake it for a muley. At the same time, it should not be mistaken with the pure Blacktail deer either as the current BnC boundaries try to define.

They are hybrid deer and the way that they have been treated as such in the record books has been good enough for me but i can understand that some tremendous examples of hybrids, looking nothing like muley bucks, have been taken yet could not compete with our pure strain of muleys in the records books. So, i guess a new classification was invented, not sure if i agree with it or not.

Joey


"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
 
"five genetic clusters of deer in the Golden State and there are two distinct genetic blacktail clusters:....."

That's scary. I see more "threatened" or "endangered" designations in our future.:)

Eel

It's written in the good Book that we'll never be asked to take more than we can. Sounds like a good plan, so bring it on!
 
Thanks for clarifying, Rando. I didn't quite remember the exact facts from the article.

Props to the guy for going after this buck with his bow during rifle season. Gonna be a tough deer to top.

Steve

Cancer doesn't discriminate...don't take your good health for granted because it can be gone in a heartbeat. Please go back and read the last line. This time really understand what it says.
 
Not trying to take anything away from this buck,but wiz there is good potential this buck is a back yard deer I know the general area where the deer was killed.It could be semi wild or it could have been looking for a hand out and I do not mean they were baiting,this property could have been located between homes on its route to feed.
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-20-14 AT 09:26AM (MST)[p]+1 for what 6x7 stated.
As for the 2nd picture posted above, the vegatation tells me that it is a foothill buck.
 
Not a blacktail in my book, but a damn nice buck. And, almost no matter where it lived here in Cali, I suspect that to take is was a greater accomplishment than most of the whitetails I see listed in eastern states, and a fair number of mulies shot in late units all over the west. Nice job.
 
The bottom line is that this fine specimen is a DEER. The other fact is that buck is no where close to 230"s!
 
Me I don't care one way another if it's a pure Blacktail or cross with a Mule deer. He is a fine Buck and if the State wants to give out a state record on him, then Bully for the guy who got him and if they got that measurements for his rack by official State scorer, I can't seen them bumping the score up.



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I doubt it would be any state record there is a 300 inch buck from maraposa county that should be conciderd blacktail by the way there classifying this buck.
I have never read the artical so I may be missing the fact that they could be claiming the record archery buck.
 
Pushing 30 inches out of Ukiah CA, 2013 drops a massive monster that is nocturnal on private property.

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