Proposed Ban on Hunting Deer with Dogs.

This f^c%i&g state, I seriously can't take much more...


https://www.change.org/p/california...IhYW8dDzKnpD2xuhDFiiEQIcnHnx8/TGJOfA+i1D/dBPG

Hound hunting of deer is what hunters may label it, but having a pack of hounds run a deer to the ground can hardly be called ethical hunting. The lives of targeted and non-targeted wildlife are disrupted and uprooted when a pack of hounds comes crashing though the brush near their secluded resting places. They flee in fear, become exposed, and are chased?often only to be mauled or killed by the hounds.
Currently, houndsmen may use radio telemetry collars to track the whereabouts of their hounds after they release them in the wild. However, the California Fish and Game Commission is considering an amendment to Mammal Hunting Code of Regulation 265 to allow GPS collars on hounds while hunting deer, pigs and for training. Houndsmen claim GPS collars will allow faster "finding" of lost dogs and allow faster intervention (when hounds maul/kill other animals or are attacked themselves or are trespassing on property where they are not welcome) than the radio collars. GPS collars may help retrieve lost hounds, but if houndsmen have so little control over roaming hounds with radio telemetry, why should they be allowed to release even more hounds to disrupt wildlife species and cause havoc in wildlife habitat? Either they have control of their dogs or they don't. If they cannot control them, then letting more loose in the wild is only going to make existing unacceptable, negative hound impacts even worse. A GPS collar on a hound in dense forested lands, miles from the houndsmen owner or handler, is not going to help wildlife, which should be the commission?s primary mission.
Also, for the unscrupulous houndsmen (there are hours of sickening video online that show the seamy side of this often dog-abusive activity), a GPS collar will tell where bears, bobcats, mountain lions, and other wildlife may be trapped in trees. Why give potential poachers an advantage?
Please politely ask the California Fish and Game Commission to (1) deny any changes to Mammal Hunting regulation 265 that currently prohibits the use of GPS collars on hounds for training, deer and/or pig hunting. And (2) ask them to join the 39 other enlightened states in the U.S. that completely ban deer hunting with hounds. Deer can run fast but only for relatively short distances. A pack of hounds can easily overtake them and the results are never pretty. Instead of encouraging this madness, it's time to put a halt to it.

HH, They are just trying to get the deer seasoned up and in shape for when the wolves make thier debut across the state in a few short years. Lol.

It's these same wacko's that are so concerned about hounds disrupting wildlife, that want wolves here. Do they think wolves don't run deer to death, or cause other wildlife to flee? These people don't have a brain. Oh wait, I guess they have one, they just don't know how to use it.

>It's these same wacko's that are
>so concerned about hounds disrupting
>wildlife, that want wolves here.
>Do they think wolves don't
>run deer to death, or
>cause other wildlife to flee?
>These people don't have a
>brain. Oh wait, I guess
>they have one, they just
>don't know how to use
>it.

They know exactly what they're doing. And it isn't about saving wildlife.

My Brittney, George, was trained from a pup to hunt bucks. He was equally well pointing pheasant or quail, would retrieve ducks if i needed him to, and even would retrieve dove though i don't think he liked their feathers in his mouth much, but he really shined in the thick manzanetta and bitter brush thickets around here that the deer moved into with/from pressure to hide before going down off the mountain to the refuge and their winter range. One man, one good dog, it was a fun and productive way to hunt bucks here and none that were once hit, got away.

I had a lot of pride in that dog's abilities. He took to it very naturally and seemed better at it with each outing.

Boy, they try to make it sound like we are the worst people on this earth!

Joey


"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"

...you can't hound hunt now for deer....wtf??

I'm sure their request would include "any" hounds, including a single well trained dog like mine was above.

"Please politely ask the California Fish and Game Commission to (1) deny any changes to Mammal Hunting regulation 265 that currently prohibits the use of GPS collars on hounds for training, deer and/or pig hunting. And (2) ask them to join the 39 other enlightened states in the U.S. that completely ban deer hunting with hounds. Deer can run fast but only for relatively short distances. A pack of hounds can easily overtake them and the results are never pretty. Instead of encouraging this madness, it's time to put a halt to it."

So they would rather a pig houndsmen to not be able to locate and lose his dogs than to possibly alert poachers where the game animals might be...

You just can't hardly make this stuff up! lol

Joey

"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"

I for the world can't see why any of you are surprised what Cali does....
jester

Jester, i see no one being surprised here or by anything that they may throw at us. We all know what they want and how they plan to go about it. Take away a little here then a little there... The writing has been up on the wall.

I didn't try to replace my deer dog because i felt that the DOW would do away with the law that currently allows one to hunt deer with me. I certainly am not surprised.

Joey



"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"

You now have less then five years left before activists put a halt to hunting in Cali period unless Trump gets into office, choose wisely grass hopper....

The trump boys ....call them privileged or what ever but at least they're on our side ...


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...And what exactly are YOU doing that we are not? Are you writing more letters, going to more meetings, have an ear with the current Fish & Wildlife board of Directors, or are you just preaching to the choir making noise like you know something that we don't?

Grasshopper? Like you are the Master and we are the students? GFY!

Joey


"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"

Even though Trump is brash and bombastic, he is the best choice for the republican nominee.

LAST EDITED ON Feb-12-16 AT 05:31PM (MST)[p]Yes, i think so too. What i don't need is Manny telling me who to vote for, i think for myself, in a condescending manner. I also don't need reminding every day that we have a uphill battle against, who should instead be our Partners, the Ca Fish and Wildlife Dept., with the idea that we are somehow not doing enough. It's gotten way old!

Manny, i consider you a Bud but lighten up.

Joey


"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"

>LAST EDITED ON Feb-12-16
>AT 05:31?PM (MST)
>
>Yes, i think so too. What
>i don't need is Manny
>telling me who to vote
>for, i think for myself,
>in a condescending manner. I
>also don't need reminding every
>day that we have a
>uphill battle against, who should
>instead be our Partners, the
>Ca Fish and Wildlife Dept.,
>with the idea that we
>are somehow not doing enough.
>It's gotten way old!
>
>Manny, i consider you a Bud
>but lighten up.
>
>Joey
>
>
>"It's all about knowing what your
>firearms practical limitations are and
>combining that with your own
>personal limitations!"

Lighten up?... I simply made a prediction, never directed it at anyone particular but some hunters are like that science project with the frog you know with the boiling water n we're way past boiling, wow lighten up, nah its too late for that won't happen Joey we are in a battle weather u see it by now or not n sugar coating it won't help...

"weather u see it by now or not"

So you think you are the only one that knows this? Do you think that ANYONE regular that comes to these pages doesn't already knows this? That we are in a battle?

Weather i see it or not? How stupid can you possibly be? I always gave you more credit than that.

Joey


"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"

Joey I had to re read the last few comments to see what exactly got ur underware in a wad so do you care to translate the G F Y, no I don't need you too, Im slow not retarded I paid my dues years ago in Cali when I had my guide service I sent my letters n gone to meeting way back in the 90's ...

Do I know something you don't, probably not cept being politically correct won't get you anywhere more then you are today, you think diplomacy got the activist where they are today, nope, don't like people preaching to you, no problem, I wasn't I'm dam near 60 n prolly never draw my Devils garden tag, this place has gone downhill n people are real touchy, can't see the urgency of the times we live in or maybe you do, like I said wasn't directed at you in the first place I'm used to being told GFY round here but Im not in a popularity contest as some are round here, I will say it again this place has gone downhill peace out...

"Do I know something you don't, probably not cept being politically correct won't get you anywhere"

Manny, I'm a dirt born, straight shooter, don't ask me if you don't want to know, in your face and i don't give a ##### MFer that you might ever have known. Where in the world would you or anybody EVER get the idea that i am being "politically correct"?

I don't like this ##### anymore than you do but your beating the same ol half dead horse and it gets old and Yes, some have got "off the couch", from another demeaning remark you posted in another thread, and are doing all they can. GFY means Go F*** Yourself!

You act like you are the only one that cares and that is not true! The complaining i can handle. Comments from you,like we here are at fault because the fish and wildlife dept is what it is, you go too far and i don't do this to anybody very often but i'm here to tell you that you are wrong!

Complain to the masses, to the millions upon millions that live in the southern metropolises, tell them that you were a guide and know how things should be but don't place blame on anybody that is a regular visitor of these pages.

Lastly, Manny, you don't have max points. I told you years ago that you won't draw the garden until the year that every max point holder, for that draw, draws out. That still could be many years away cause there are lots of guys down south with max points that are looking north. Any max point holders come first before you,.. other than the few random tags awarded. You should know this but you refuse to accept the facts and blame calif. because you haven't drawn your tag.

Joey


"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"