Does Anyone cheat ..

hardbone

Active Member
Messages
150
LAST EDITED ON May-18-16 AT 03:04PM (MST)[p]To draw a X zone year after..(not a max points draw but like 5 point draw)!.Has to be a 2 or more party app.
Details after the draw.
Bone
 
Not sure how one would cheat when it comes to points. I'd be interested to find out how it's done. I haven't hunted California in 6-7 years. Planning on burning max points next year on an X zone. Tired of waiting for the "premium" tag. 522 max applicants for 35 tags just isn't worth the wait any longer.

Cancer doesn't discriminate...don't take your good health for granted because it can be gone in a heartbeat. Please go back and read the last line. This time really understand what it says.
 
i think he is talking about people that draw premium tags year after year by buy or working deals out with someone with enough points to carry them. With that said you interested in burning those max points with me next year haha..
 
I've used other friends points multiple times to hunt xzones,I may hunt again this year on another guys points back to back years.
 
>I've used other friends points multiple
>times to hunt xzones,I may
>hunt again this year on
>another guys points back to
>back years.

^^^^x2^^^
Same here, I certainly would not call that cheating.
 
4th year in a row..
Did not draw Utah.. (point creep in gen is worst every year)..
Nevada for sure also (Buck and Bull)..it can be cheated like California too.
Bone..
 
i don't personally consider it cheat, others may but they can play the game just like anyone else can
 
Both my kids have lifetime licenses so I will apply them for as long as I can hunt and use there points since I just have to pay for a tag fee each.
 
>i don't personally consider it cheating,
>others may but they can
>play the game just like
>anyone else can

I agree Brad. I don't refer to it as cheating but rather bribing or in some cases 'guiding'. Those people know who they are. Haha. Hell I was guilty of it at one point too. The longer this point system exists, the harder it will be to draw premium tags. At least for the guys who apply alone waiting their turn every few years. Party applications can eat up a quota pretty damn quick.

I just wish DFG would reverse the 'no tag refund' they implemented a few years ago. Ever since that bullchit, many unrestricted tags have become restricted and in some cases now premium. I'm assuming they made that decision in order to increase revenue. If so, there are plenty of other avenues to accomplish that objective. But hey, what do we know?
 
LAST EDITED ON May-23-16 AT 07:28PM (MST)[p]I would like to see it go to a higher percentage in the random draw. At least you could feel like you had more of a chance. Maybe 25%....or more???? Maybe no preference points for elk and sheep...every year everyone would be in the same boat??? Just a thought.
 
That's not the cheating he's talking about...

Cancer doesn't discriminate...don't take your good health for granted because it can be gone in a heartbeat. Please go back and read the last line. This time really understand what it says.
 
Just going from Memory, smackdaddy, same, has bragged here before of poaching on other peoples private property and getting a tag to hunt X-1 but then hunting wherever, whatever northern zone he wants to.

If he continues that practice, i hope they catch him and throw the book at him. Nice enough guy, no respect for private landowners and the others who have waited their turn in the draw. That's cheating!


Joey

Keep your slimy Paws Off My, Yours, Our,.. Public Land!!!
 
smackdaddy, just so you know that not everybody cheats and breaks, bends the rules of hunting and not everybody thinks that you're being cute when you brag here of doing what and where you please.


Joey

Keep your slimy Paws Off My, Yours, Our,.. Public Land!!!
 
>Now that the deadline is over,
>do tell about this magical
>"cheating" method that you've apparently
>discovered.


Lol. I am intrigued as well!! I wonder if it is called "averaging"???
 
I always wondered what would happen say 2 people one with 10 points one with 0 points put in as a party for a 5 point hunt, drew the tag then the 10 point guy turns in the tag to redeem points. Does the 0 point guy keep the tag? Is this even possible?
 
Hardbone you're a douche. If you are willing to cheat at getting the tag and I can only imagine the lengths you will go to too make sure you kill a buck. You aren't a hunter. In fact you are a disgrace to true hunters everywhere. I hope Fish and Wildlife has their eyes all over you and your posse of clowns that partake in this scheme with you.. It's people like you that prevent honest patient people from getting their fair shake at an opportunity to hunt these premium zones.
 
What happens if you were to get caught, hardbone? Your kids are wrapped up in the middle of it. How do you explain to them why their Dad is being brought in and questioned by law enforcement? What do you say to them if their hunting privileges ever were revoked? Falsifying medical documents to get deer tags?? Kind of a shitty thing to get your kids involved with. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Cancer doesn't discriminate...don't take your good health for granted because it can be gone in a heartbeat. Please go back and read the last line. This time really understand what it says.
 
It might be legal if grandma or whoever your application partner is really disabled permanently, but it is a loophole that really isn't fair to the rest of the hunters waiting in line for the tag. Putting in with someone who knows they won't hunt from the start of the application period may be legal, but a for sure douche move. At least the new AZ point saver limits it to two times. If it's making false statements on a government document, then the legal part is out too.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-16-16 AT 05:16AM (MST)[p]Bone, Any system that can be abused will be abused. I'm sure there are plenty of people who both legally and fraudulently abuse the welfare and disability systems to the detriment of the public too. I guess we should write the CDFW to try to get them to close that loophole.
 
>LAST EDITED ON Jun-16-16
>AT 05:16?AM (MST)

>
>Bone, Any system that can be
>abused will be abused. I'm
>sure there are plenty of
>people who both legally and
>fraudulently abuse the welfare
>and disability systems to the
>detriment of the public too.
>I guess we should write
>the CDFW to try to
>get them to close that
>loophole.


He already said in another post it's the last year this can be done. Next year if party leader returns tag ALL party tags go back.
 
What I want to know is next year when party leader returns there tag how are they going to get the other tags back from the other party members ? Send a letter and tell them to turn over there tag ? And is this going to start alternatives for deer ? Like they already do for sheep and antelope and elk .
 
Hardbone did you get your tag? I just started hunting two years ago along with my two kids and I really want to get a big buck for them... A lot of not so friendly people on here so PM me to tell me your trick! Thx!
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-22-16 AT 06:59AM (MST)[p]Its not a trick, its a scam and it screws people who use the system legitimately out of tags.
 
Just an FYI, you can't just "turn in" your tag in CA and get your points reinstated. You must submit an appeal letter with what they consider a good reason in order for your them to allow it. I imagine "good reason" would mean something like medical conditions, etc. So, if a party member is turning his tag in and lying about the reason, that would be cheating.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-23-16 AT 08:48AM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Jun-23-16 AT 08:38?AM (MST)

LAST EDITED ON Jun-23-16 AT 08:28?AM (MST)

>Just an FYI, you can't just
>"turn in" your tag in
>CA and get your points
>reinstated. You must submit
>an appeal letter with what
>they consider a good reason
>in order for your them
>to allow it. I
>imagine "good reason" would mean
>something like medical conditions, etc.
> So, if a party
>member is turning his tag
>in and lying about the
>reason, that would be cheating.
>

^^^Correct^^^

Remember, the OP's title asks if anyone "cheats." There also seem to be an indication that he may have used this method before (X1 four years in a row) and, like stated above, in order for this to work the higher point holder has to come up with a medical/hardship reason for turning tag back in. This reason is obviously false which equates to "fraud."
Anyone bragging about how you can "cheat" the system in an open forum, and describing how it must take some fraudulent actions to make it work as well.....PRICELESS!

Wonder what would happen if F&G saw this?....DOH! I would certainly put this on the "DO NOT RECOMMEND" list! As far as the OP'er goes...if you have pulled tags in back to back years by using this method, good luck to you sir....it sure would be easy for F&G to check into this. Hopefully you did not!
 
Ha ha ..am sure they are and have...
Talk to appeal board also..they have the say on what is approved or denied.
Bone
 

Click-a-Pic ... Details & Bigger Photos

California Guides & Outfitters

Western Wildlife Adventures

Offering some fine Blacktail Deer hunting, Wild Pig hunts, Turkey hunts and Waterfowl hunts.

Urge 2 Hunt

We offer the top private land hunts in all of California, for blacktail deer, elk, pigs, bison and turkeys.

G & J Outdoors

Offering Tule elk hunts for bulls and cows on a 17,000 acre Ranch in Laytonville, CA with 100% success.

Back
Top Bottom