Carr fire

eelgrass · Jul 30, 2018

I read a rumor that....just a rumor at this point.

??..cal fire battalion chief told my brother they had 6 dozers and several engines on site and were able to snuff that fire at ten acres before they got ordered out by forest service because the fire was on some protected wildland park area vehicles prohibited?.5 days later we got dead people and and almost 50k acres??
The brother to whom this quote refers works for a local company that rebuilds helicopters for firefighting, utility and other services.

Blueoak · Jul 30, 2018

It would not surprise me is this dumb state

Homer · Jul 30, 2018

there is no money in putting them out.......

Weiserbucks · Jul 30, 2018

Fire fighting is a business, no fires=no overtime and hazard pay .

eelgrass · Jul 30, 2018

Now days when a fire starts the order is for everybody to get out, run away. Back in the old days when a fire broke out it was all hands on deck. Stop it before it got out of hand.

eelgrass · Jul 30, 2018

One lady who works for Sierra Pacific said some land they own had orders to get all their equipment out, mandatory evacuation.

BS. I say move all your equipment in. Start making a fire line.

YBO · Jul 31, 2018

Eel you are way to practical!

HogBone · Jul 31, 2018

Moonbeam wants that disaster money. "State of Emergency"

nocal · Jul 31, 2018

Here's the link to the damage assessment map. The little red houses are >50% destroyed.

http://calfire-forestry.maps.arcgis...x.html?appid=5bbcbed430ad45e5a38e6be155ef5fec

cjboz · Jul 31, 2018

Hey eel, I live over here south of Palo Cedro. I heard that rumor too about the fire chief situation. I hope if there was crews there that heard that they whistle blow that fool or get some soap bars and socks. It sure devistated the West side. It's a brushy manzanita sombitch on that side. It's always been a concern. Anyone that's burned a little madrone or manzanita brush pile knows you can't be closer than 100 feet. It's saddening and terrible.

bullskin · Aug 1, 2018

It's a small town, and there will always be someone who wants to stir the pot. In my younger years I spent thousand of hours on the fireline andI never saw anyone sit on a fire in order to increase the opportunity for overtime, etc. Granted, we welcomed the excitement as well as the money, but reputation is important and no one becomes a hero by watching a fire grow. Where efforts were weak, it was typically because the first personnel on-site were inexperienced (and therefore have no business attempting a major assault) or because an experienced commander recognized the risk and futility of staging an attack with the resources available. One thing is for certain--a number of dozers and a few engines confined to the roadway do not guarantee a safe or successful assault. I cannot picture the exact location where this fire began, but if it is like most of that country, then it was heavy, brushy fuels and very dry. Under these conditions, it would be suicidal to place personnel above the fire and below the ridge line, virtually guaranteeing that the initial attack would become an air tanker show. In any event, under circumstances where fire activity surprises even experienced firemen, I am skeptical of claims of lost opportunity offered by arm-chair quarterbacks.

Thanks to those of you who busted your a$$ to help others during this ordeal, and my condolences to those who have lost so much.

Gator · Aug 1, 2018

Wow

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Homer · Aug 1, 2018

LAST EDITED ON Aug-01-18 AT 06:27PM (MST)[p]if the story had said CalFire or a county crew had ordered the stand down...let it burn....I would call BS.....

Since it was a forest circus call...I have no doubt it is true.

they are incompetent and afraid....

eelgrass · Aug 1, 2018

cjboz, yeah I hear you about those manzanita fires. You better have an escape route when that stuff ignites.

Dmmallia21 · Aug 2, 2018

LAST EDITED ON Aug-02-18 AT 11:14PM (MST)[p]>LAST EDITED ON Aug-01-18
>AT 06:27?PM (MST)
>
>if the story had said CalFire
>or a county crew had
>ordered the stand down...let it
>burn....I would call BS.....
>
>Since it was a forest circus
>call...I have no doubt it
>is true.
>
>they are incompetent and afraid....
>
>

More #fakenews.

Fire started on ground that was under Calfire DPA so the Forest Service wouldn't of had jurisdiction over decisions being made during the initial attack of the fire.

And as far as the Forest Service being incompetent and and afraid, from my vantage point on this fire (and many other fires the past 20 years) the Forest Service firefighters were in the thick of it with all the other agencies on that incident when that thing made its huge push.

?Historic? fire behavior was experienced on that fire, there wasn?t anything anybody was going to do to stop it, regardless of who was there....

Dmmallia21 · Aug 2, 2018

LAST EDITED ON Aug-02-18 AT 10:45PM (MST)[p]>I read a rumor that....just a
>rumor at this point.
>
>??..cal fire battalion chief told my
>brother they had 6 dozers
>and several engines on site
>and were able to snuff
>that fire at ten acres
>before they got ordered out
>by forest service because the
>fire was on some protected
>wildland park area vehicles prohibited?.5
>days later we got dead
>people and and almost 50k
>acres??
>The brother to whom this quote
>refers works for a local
>company that rebuilds helicopters for
>firefighting, utility and other services.
>

Where?d you ?read? this info, The Onion??

Dmmallia21 · Aug 2, 2018

LAST EDITED ON Aug-02-18 AT 11:19PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Aug-02-18 AT 10:44?PM (MST)

I know the guy who was the Unified Command Incident Commander of the incident in the early stages. He had authorization to use dozers in the Park once he arrived in scene.

What's the Calfire BC?s name? You can send me a private message with it if you like.

bullskin · Aug 3, 2018

In fairness to Forest Service fire fighters, in my time on the fire line I saw only two crews that could get the job done. These were Forest Service Interagency Hotshot crews (not the local crews of every sort that call themselves "hotshots") and Smoke Jumpers (mostly ex-hotshots). These crews were fit, experienced, and well led. They were the only crews capable of fighting fire in difficult conditions and without water. Engines are great when they are available, but of course they are restricted to roadways and so are nearly useless under the sort of conditions required in the initial attack on most "forest" fires. As CDF and other state's agencies ran mostly engine crews, they were unable to accomplish much else besides protect structures and hold fires once they burned to the roadway. Where they left the roads with hand-crews it was typically with relatively poorly-trained inmate crews and this rarely occurred except during mop-up or when the fire behavior was mild. Perhaps this has changed over the years since I was involved, and I certainly mean no disrespect to CDF crews--they were highly trained and very good at the job for which they are suited, but simply not the best tool for wild lands fire under most conditions. For my money, hotshots/jumpers and air tankers/helicopters are the best combination of assets and can only hope that our politicians recognize their value in hooking these starts before they become campaign fires.

As a more recent development, can anyone offer insight regarding the effectiveness of private contract crews such as FireStorm? In their early days, I believe many of these were being led by ex-Forest Service firefighters and received similar training and experience.

eelgrass · Aug 3, 2018

http://kymkemp.com/2018/07/30/the-c...sidents-on-edge-as-it-turns-on-them/#comments

In the comments section.

JB48 · Aug 4, 2018

Sounds about right. The Chetco bar fire in the wilderness here in Oregon could have been stopped early. Ranger would not allow chain saws or air support. What do you know blows up to 200,000 acers taking out houses and destroying everything in its path. I have worked for the FS on fire crews. JB