Let?s get rid of the horses

So I know this is a sensitive topic for some, but not for me and I know not for most that will read this. I am seeing more and more of these things in areas that used to have few to none, and as the horse populations go up the deer and elk are harder to find. My question (if anybody knows the answer) is where to start with getting rid of these things? Is there somebody to write to? Are there public meetings someplace? This is getting way out of hand. Anybody know anything about addressing whatever government entity controls this?

Not sure if serious, but I'll bite.

Look up the feral herd near Carson City and see what is in the news about that right now.

Look up the horse shelters and see how full they are.

Look up the lawsuits that have been filed against the BLM.

Look up the maximum allowable numbers of horses vs current numbers.

This question could be answered in about 50 pages if you're lucky.

Good luck.

I am serious, just now knowledgeable on the topics you listed I guess. I normally try to stay out of the politics and all that, it is just getting out of hand and I figured this would be a good place to get some info on this topic and find out if there's anything I can do. Thanks for the research points

I know this will rub people wrong but just start shooting them!

>I know this will rub people
>wrong but just start shooting
>them!


Trust me I've been tempted

...you must be like 15 or have been living under a rock......

>...you must be like 15 or
>have been living under a
>rock......
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Or just trying to get some information. No reason to be a ##### about it.

>>...you must be like 15 or
>>have been living under a
>>rock......
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>Or just trying to get some
>information. No reason to
>be a ##### about it.
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Watch the movie They shoot horses, don't they ?

Killcarp2, forgive us old farts for ribbing you about your apparent naivete but really, this is a very complex issue. We ALL want the feral horse problem dealt with. People tend to elevate horses to a pedestal like our dogs and cats. They have become a sacred cow (pardon the pun) to some who feel every horse must live. They believe horses are wild and free and should be left to live that way. Fact is they are feral animals who are over running our rangelands and now number some 47,000 head in Nevada alone. BLM spends $80 million a year on the wildhorse and burro program, 60 of it spent feeding them in holding facilities. Their population doubles every 5 or 6 years on the range. The problem isn't even with the BLM. Most managers want them controlled.

The problem is the horse lovers don't. And those groups have incredible power in Washington and very deep pockets. They challenge every proposed gather or action in court. They fight the unrestricted sale of horses that are captured. They are ADAMANTLY opposed to sending them ANYWHERE that horse flesh is used for human consumption. And they seem to have a lot of influence on Congress. Even as brash as the Trump administration is I doubt they can get much done about the horses. And I believe the administration wants to help in this regard.

I wish I had a better answer for you. Write to your congressional representatives. ALL of them. Not just the repubs. Hold their feet to the fire to enforce the wild horse and burro act (WHBA 1972). If they did that, without interference, the problem would be miniscule compared to today. They haven't been able to do that because the horse groups won't let them. Taxpayers need to demand that their tax dollars stop being wasted feeding horses.

Most of all, even though we are all tempted, dont shoot them. A couple of dead horses will do nothing to solve the problem and you will get a far worse sentence for that than you would for robbing a bank. Unless you want to go to prison and can kill about 40,000 head before you get caught, it won't be worth it.

>Killcarp2, forgive us old farts for
>ribbing you about your apparent
>naivete but really, this is
>a very complex issue. We
>ALL want the feral horse
>problem dealt with. People tend
>to elevate horses to a
>pedestal like our dogs and
>cats. They have become a
>sacred cow (pardon the pun)
>to some who feel every
>horse must live. They believe
>horses are wild and free
>and should be left to
>live that way. Fact is
>they are feral animals who
>are over running our rangelands
>and now number some 47,000
>head in Nevada alone. BLM
>spends $80 million a year
>on the wildhorse and burro
>program, 60 of it spent
>feeding them in holding facilities.
>Their population doubles every 5
>or 6 years on the
>range. The problem isn't even
>with the BLM. Most managers
>want them controlled.
>
>The problem is the horse lovers
>don't. And those groups have
>incredible power in Washington and
>very deep pockets. They challenge
>every proposed gather or action
>in court. They fight the
>unrestricted sale of horses that
>are captured. They are ADAMANTLY
>opposed to sending them ANYWHERE
>that horse flesh is used
>for human consumption. And they
>seem to have a lot
>of influence on Congress. Even
>as brash as the Trump
>administration is I doubt they
>can get much done about
>the horses. And I believe
>the administration wants to help
>in this regard.
>
>I wish I had a better
>answer for you. Write to
>your congressional representatives. ALL of
>them. Not just the repubs.
>Hold their feet to the
>fire to enforce the wild
>horse and burro act (WHBA
>1972). If they did that,
>without interference, the problem would
>be miniscule compared to today.
>They haven't been able to
>do that because the horse
>groups won't let them. Taxpayers
>need to demand that their
>tax dollars stop being wasted
>feeding horses.
>
>Most of all, even though we
>are all tempted, dont shoot
>them. A couple of dead
>horses will do nothing to
>solve the problem and you
>will get a far worse
>sentence for that than you
>would for robbing a bank.
>Unless you want to go
>to prison and can kill
>about 40,000 head before you
>get caught, it won't be
>worth it.

Yeah I have been reading about a a lot of what you listed. I wouldn't ever shoot one as frustrating as it is. Thank you for your response. I am not all that young myself. Although I have not been involved politically with this topic, this last deer season kind of pushed me to learn a little more, hence the reason I started this thread. I have learned enough I think to know where to start, even though I am sure my opinion won't change much. I figure my options are to part of the solution or part of the problem so why not be one more person sending letters and causing some ripples.

Anyway, thanks again for your response.

Think like a hippie tree loving person and find some little inocent creature the horse is endangering and side up with it and use that as your agenda,that's how they get stuff done.

>Think like a hippie tree loving
>person and find some little
>inocent creature the horse is
>endangering and side up with
>it and use that as
>your agenda,that's how they get
>stuff done.


Sage grouse has made them look at the damage horses do.

horse lovers don't give a shiit about sage chickens...so that is a nonstarter....


...jeezus NVB...you are so level headed and logical it makes me sick..STFU.....lol

>horse lovers don't give a shiit
>about sage chickens...so that is
>a nonstarter....
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>...jeezus NVB...you are so level headed
>and logical it makes me
>sick..STFU.....lol
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>
>

I have my moments. Now I will go back to avoiding comment again.

Put blm in charge of the sage grouse, ndow in charge of the horses. See what happens

I like your style NVB!
Hopefully you got to help with a sheep or two this year!

This is an argument that must be won in the court of public opinion, which is the only thing that currently protects them from being rounded up and destroyed. As is often the case, the squeaky wheel gets the political grease, and right now few senators--even among Republicans--want to assume the label of "horse killer."

The reason that horse advocates are winning the war of public opinion is that they have managed to turn this debate into one pitting horses against cattle, and it is not difficult to make the case that cattle are primary agents of habitat degradation by merit of their greater numbers. Given the cost of public lands grazing to taxpayers and the refusal of many ranchers to permit access to public lands locked behind their own private gates, it is similarly not difficult to portray cattlemen as selfish abusers of the public trust. Ranchers have no real counter-argument and so instead rely on politicians to protect their interests and quietly hope that the status quo will continue unnoticed.

The only real challenge to horses cannot be made by the same group who profits from their destruction. It is up to hunters and like-minded people interested in protecting the western landscape to contract the argument against horses. The best argument against horses is the environmental degradation that they cause and their expense--projected to exceed one-billion dollars over the next few decades. Horse advocates will defend horses by suggesting that cattle are the real problem, but the response must be that this cannot justify the additional destruction resulting from horses. It must be pointed out that our choice is not simply between more horses or more cattle, but may also include fewer of both. Once it is clear that horse advocates cannot use the expense and damage inflicted by cattle as a defense for horses, they have no real argument left.

Well if the act was actually followed we wouldn't have the issue of too many in holding. States right in the wild horse and burro act that any horse passed up for adoption three times is to be destroyed the most humane cost effective way possible. Problem is no one has the stones to follow an act of congress anymore. Really fires up the horse lovers when you bring that part of the act up.

Just shoot them with a FMJ out of a 223 when they're in the tall sage, the goal is to leave them leaking, not DRT.

That's the best way to take care of it IMHO. They're sh!t factories with hooves that have no place in the west.

Just have patience....Wolves will eventually keep them in check.