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'We're going to see more': Sanctuary cities cave in face of Trump's funding threats

By Elizabeth Llorente
?Published February 10, 2017
? FoxNews.com


Several towns, cities and counties around the nation are caving to President Trump's threat to pull funding, and abandoning their "sanctuary" pledges to shield illegal immigrants from federal authorities.

Dayton, Ohio, dropped a policy that restricted the city?s cooperation with immigration officials pursuing illegal immigrants arrested for misdemeanors or felony property crimes, according to the Dayton Daily News. Police Chief Richard Biehl said federal authorities will no longer be impeded by the city when pursuing illegal immigrants being held by his department.

Other communities that have dropped policies of shielding illegal immigrant suspects from Immigration and Customs Enforcement include Miami-Dade and Dayton, are Saratoga, N.Y., Finney County, Kan., and Bedford, Penn., according to The Center for Immigration Studies, which keeps a list of sanctuary communities.

?We are reviewing policy changes at a multitude of other jurisdictions as well,? said Marguerite Telford, CIS?s director of communications, who said the organization is ?being inundated? by officials on its sanctuary map who want to be taken off.

The mayor of Miami-Dade County, which was considered a sanctuary community, made headlines recently when he changed a policy that called for refusing to hold arrested immigrants for immigration officials unless they committed to reimbursing the county for the cost of detention.

Telling reporters that he did not want to imperil hundreds of millions of dollars in federal funding, Mayor Carlos Gimenez ordered jails to comply with federal immigration detention requests.

The changes have come on the heels of President Trump?s executive order giving the Department of Justice and Department of Homeland Security the power to cut federal funding to communities that are deemed sanctuaries for illegal immigrants. Trump also has authorized the DHS to publish a weekly list of sanctuary communities.

CIS, and other groups that favor strict immigration enforcement, laud Trump?s move.

?Are you really going to pick and choose what laws you're going to enforce?? asked Telford. ?If you want a change [in immigration policy], go to the legislature.?

While some communities are rethinking their sanctuary policies under the pressure of losing funding, public officials of others, particularly major cities, have vowed to defy Trump?s orders.

?We?re going to defend all of our people regardless of where they come from, regardless of their immigration status,? said Mayor Bill de Blasio of New York at a recent press conference.

Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel also vowed to protect illegal immigrants, including ones suspected or convicted of crimes, from the feds.

?I want to be clear: We?re going to stay a sanctuary city," Emanuel said. "There is no stranger among us? you are welcome in Chicago as you pursue the American dream.?

The "sanctuary" term describes cities that employ a range of uncooperation with federal immigration authorities. Some refuse to hold suspects and even convicts who have completed their sentences for the feds to deport. Others refuse to furnish the feds with information on illegal immigrants who land on their radar through more benign activity.

Forbes contributor Adam Andrzejewski reported that more than 300 government jurisdictions claim to be sanctuaries, of which 106 are cities and ?the rest are states, counties or other units of government.?

Supporters of sanctuary communities say that people who are here illegally but have not posed a danger to others or had trouble with police should not be turned over to immigration authorities.

Some police and town officials further argue that working with immigration officials will make people fearful of turning to them if they are the victim of a crime or have information about one.

?It's incredibly disappointing to see cities and counties scaling back so-called "sanctuary" policies, which were largely adopted to further public safety and ensure immigrants weren't afraid to call the police,? Grace Meng, a senior researcher with Human Rights Watch, told Fox News.

Ira Mehlman, spokesman for the Federation for American Immigration Reform, or FAIR, predicted many more communities will be dropping or dramatically modifying their sanctuary stances.

?We?re going to see more of this,? Mehlman told Fox News. ?Faced with the possibility of losing federal dollars, they'll choose to keep funding public services rather than protecting illegal aliens.?
 
You can bet your ass that the money that those cities received was spent on other things,I would love to see an Audit ,you would see a lot of Mayors start squealing.
 
Good. Next step, cut off funding to states that refuse to enforce federal marijuana laws.

If you don't like the federal laws, I say the same thing that they say about the Endangered Species Act. Get the law changed through Congress, or tough for you.
 
No sense gouging them in the eye, if they are going to cooperate and start helping. I don't care what there motivation was, as long as they start behaving responsibly. The more that cooperate, the more energy we'll have to fight against those that are dug in.

I'm more inclined to praise those that are now working with the Pres.

DC
 
>No sense gouging them in the
>eye, if they are going
>to cooperate and start helping.
> I don't care what
>there motivation was, as long
>as they start behaving responsibly.
> The more that cooperate,
>the more energy we'll have
>to fight against those that
>are dug in.
>
>I'm more inclined to praise those
>that are now working with
>the Pres.
>
>DC
I say F#ck them,I want them to suffer and want to see where my Tax Dollars went!!!!!
 
You are a moron Eel, one thing we dont need are federal marijuana laws. I'm guessing you have money or interests in keeping it illegal? Big money in keeping it illegal I know, but it also damages public land , and creates crime and hardship on lots of innocent people.

So let's mature a little shall we.?
 
>You are a moron Eel,
> one
>thing we dont need are
>federal marijuana laws.
>
> I'm guessing
>you have money or interests
>in keeping it illegal?
> Big money
>in keeping it illegal I
>know, but it also
>damages public land ,
>and creates crime and hardship
>on lots of innocent people.
>
>
>So let's mature a little shall
>we.?
Pipe Dope fits you perfect.
 
piper, your world is 180 degrees upside buudy. You see wrong and believe its right, You see illegal as legal. You see kindness and call it mean. You see generosity and call it hate. You see propaganda and call it truth,

You see the most logical guy on the forum as a moron. How upside down is that?

DC
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-11-17 AT 12:11PM (MST)[p]What is logical about archaic marijuana laws? In keeping it illegal?, making it a crime so innocents get caught in the crossfire? Filling prisons up? Destroying public land with pot farms? And doing the same wasteful thing we have done for 100 years? With no positive results.

Pathetic, must all the old people die before we can make this country a better place for all its citizens? Not just those who have inherited wealth, or work in government jobs that are useless and wasteful. ( prison system, jail workers, lawyers and all those that suck off society through the illegality of pot.
 
>LAST EDITED ON Feb-11-17
>AT 12:11?PM (MST)

>
>What is logical about archaic marijuana
>laws? In keeping
>it illegal?, making
>it a crime so innocents
>get caught in the crossfire?
> Filling prisons up?
> Destroying public land with
>pot farms?
> And doing the
>same wasteful thing we have
>done for 100 years? With
>no positive results.
>
>Pathetic, must
>all the old people die
>before we can make this
>country a better place for
>all its citizens?
> Not just those
>who have inherited wealth,
>or work in government jobs
>that are useless and wasteful.
> ( prison
>system, jail workers, lawyers and
>all those that suck off
>society through the illegality of
>pot.

Have sales been good?
 
piper, your last post pretty much solidified my perception.

After folks like you get pot legalized, what next. Cocaine, meth, heroin?

I've seen the results of pot, take a drive from Eureka to Crescent City, through the red woods some nice afternoon, have a look at what pot does for/to folks. I'd hate to have a country full of people living like that. If you want to, they'll welcome you to their campfire anytime you show up with a joint and pair of shorts that can stand up without assistance.

Hell piper, why have any laws? Why not the law of the jungle? Why doesn't someone drive off with your vehicle?

Like I said, piper, you see it upside down, accusing the law keepers and the law administrators of being the suckers, rather than the suckers that make it necessary to have law enforcement.

A county that is high on pot or worse can not survive piper, do a little research on the history of China and dope. 70 million junkies in China piper. Mao took care of that, didn't he. Dope worked for China, didn't it piper. Mao didn't imprison them did he piper. He stopped drug distribution, he stopped access, he applied social pressure and he put an COMPETE stop to it. You want to turn American in pre-1949 China, when the Communists have had the sense to outlaw it. Wake up man.

Oh ya, I know, pot isn't opium but high is high and high don't get it done, if your a Doctor, an Engineer, a miner, a truck driver, an accountant, a chemist, a law enforcement officer, a soldier, a plumber, a iron worker, a ship captain, or a fireman. etc.

Here's a picture of what you pot smoker will do to the rest of the country, if we leave it up to you. This was a peaceful gathering of your mind set piper. You folks can take a beautiful landscape, have a wonderful time, all love and kindness and this is what you always leave behind. Yes, always. You started in the 60's and you been ramping up every since.

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14120woodstockafter.jpg


No, it isn't an anomaly, it's the norm, where ever you folks gather for love and peace.

DC
 
>Good. Next step, cut off funding
>to states that refuse to
>enforce federal marijuana laws.
>
>If you don't like the federal
>laws, I say the same
>thing that they say about
>the Endangered Species Act. Get
>the law changed through Congress,
>or tough for you.


Not gonna happen, trump already stated it up to the states...it's all about $$$$...


Oregon medical marijuana dispensaries have sold an estimated $102 million in recreational cannabis since January, when the state imposed a 25 percent sales tax on pot.

The state has collected about $25.5 million in marijuana taxes in the first six months of the year and is on track to meet state economists' projections.

The latest tax figures, released Monday by the Oregon Department of Revenue, include the start of marijuana-infused edibles sales. The products include a wide variety of snacks, sweets and drinks and were available to anyone 21 and older starting in June.

The popularity of edibles was hard to project because it's difficult to measure the black market for them, said Mazen Malik, a senior state economist with the Office of Legislative Revenue.

"Consumers will not buy from somebody on the street corner selling them infused Kit Kats," he said.

Still, he said officials expected to see a bump from edibles' sales.

"We know some people would embrace them because they don't like smoking, for example, so it would be an easier thing to go to," he said. "Others would just want to try them because they are new and different and they want to see how they work."

State economists estimate that the state will collect about $44.4 million in marijuana taxes in 2016, the first year of the tax.
 
>piper, your last post pretty much
>solidified my perception.
>
>After folks like you get pot
>legalized, what next. Cocaine,
>meth, heroin?
>
>I've seen the results of pot,
>take a drive from Eureka
>to Crescent City, through the
>red woods some nice afternoon,
>have a look at what
>pot does for/to folks.
>I'd hate to have a
>country full of people living
>like that. If you
>want to, they'll welcome you
>to their campfire anytime you
>show up with a joint
>and pair of shorts that
>can stand up without assistance.
>
>
>Hell piper, why have any laws?
> Why not the law
>of the jungle? Why
>doesn't someone drive off with
>your vehicle?
>
>Like I said, piper, you see
>it upside down, accusing the
>law keepers and the law
>administrators of being the suckers,
>rather than the suckers that
>make it necessary to have
>law enforcement.
>
>A county that is high on
>pot or worse can not
>survive piper, do a little
>research on the history of
>China and dope. 70
>million junkies in China piper.
> Mao took care of
>that, didn't he. Dope
>worked for China, didn't it
>piper. Mao didn't imprison
>them did he piper.
>He stopped drug distribution, he
>stopped access, he applied social
>pressure and he put an
>COMPETE stop to it.
>You want to turn American
>in pre-1949 China, when the
>Communists have had the sense
>to outlaw it. Wake
>up man.
>
>Oh ya, I know, pot isn't
>opium but high is high
>and high don't get it
>done, if your a Doctor,
>an Engineer, a miner, a
>truck driver, an accountant, a
>chemist, a law enforcement officer,
>a soldier, a plumber, a
>iron worker, a ship captain,
>or a fireman. etc.
>
>Here's a picture of what you
>pot smoker will do to
>the rest of the country,
>if we leave it up
>to you. This was
>a peaceful gathering of your
>mind set piper. You
>folks can take a beautiful
>landscape, have a wonderful time,
>all love and kindness and
>this is what you always
>leave behind. Yes, always.
> You started in the
>60's and you been ramping
>up every since.
>
>
1521woodstockbefore.jpg

>
>
14120woodstockafter.jpg

>
>No, it isn't an anomaly, it's
>the norm, where ever you
>folks gather for love and
>peace.
>
>DC


I hate to break it to you but heroin n Cochin is already being used today as a pain medicine and we have an epidemic of legal prescribed users....just saying I'd rather see a pot head then a OxyContin freak my x daughter in law was an oxy user while pregnant she was addicted my grandson tested positive when born it's been a battle but he's finally settled down now that my son has cutody
 
Regardless of your personal feelings about marijuana, it's against the law.

How can you say it's okay to ignore federal marijuana laws but enforce federal immigration laws? OR ANY OTHER LAW?

If it's such an injustice, why not change the law?

ANSWER THE QUESTION!!!
 
The only question I have for Piper is: are you the only liberal in the state of WY? Go back under your rock. February 2nd was a few days ago.
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-13-17 AT 09:15AM (MST)[p]>Regardless of your personal feelings about
>marijuana, it's against the law.
>
>
>How can you say it's okay
>to ignore federal marijuana laws
>but enforce federal immigration laws?
>OR ANY OTHER LAW?
>
>If it's such an injustice, why
>not change the law?
>
>ANSWER THE QUESTION!!!

So enforce federal laws as they are written? Is that what you are saying?

When that happens the bed wetters come here and whine about Federal Over Reach. The law says that the President, any President, can set aside National Monuments with the Stroke of a pen.

Federal laws also make polluting water and air an illegal act. As does killing off the snail darters or other obscure critters. When those laws block development we hear the sniveling about the "bad" federal laws that shouldn't be enforced because that is "Federal Over Reach".

Why don't you just accept the laws and then try to change them?

Nemont
 
NeMont, yes, enforce the laws as they are written. B!tching and whining is fine and often the first step to changing a law. Demonstrate and carry signs. It's one of our freedoms.

All I'm saying is enforce the marijuana laws and the immigration laws the same as the law was enforced with Bundy and LaVoy, as an example.
 
I hate to say this but this is the ONLY issue that I agree with Piper on. Marijuana is no different than alcohol and in fact, alcohol is more dangerous and yet none of you want prohibition again do you?

We spend billions of dollars every year fighting marijuana but let me tell you something, we will NEVER EVER stop people from wanting to use marijuana. So we have a "drug" that has proven medicinal value and is less harmful than alcohol and you people want to throw billions of dollars out the window trying to eradicate it?

I don't smoke it but I know lots of people that do and they're the most harmless people in the world. Sure it makes people lazy if they smoke all day just as alcohol makes drunks out of people that drink all day.

Regulate it and treat it exactly as you would alcohol and your forests won't be taken over by Mexican cartels, the crime rate will go down because people won't have to steal to get it and our tax dollars will be saved not fighting it.

Hell, even cigarettes are legal and they cost us billions every year in healthcare expenses but that's okay right? We need to concentrate our monies on the real drugs that do real harm to our society.

I know... I know... marijuana is a gateway drug that will lead to kids doing hard drugs. Read this article and tell me again why you're so concerned about marijuana.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-everywhere-and-legal/?utm_term=.1a04da2039e6

This study is exactly how it went down for me in high school too. I started drinking beer to be cool like the other kids, then had a few cigarettes before I ever tried marijuana.

It always makes me laugh at the people crying about marijuana as they sip their favorite beer. Like your indulgence is so much more righteous than someone who likes to smoke a bowl after work every night. I wish people could just be honest and step back and realize that the criminalization of pot does way more harm to our environment and our wallets than if we stopped fighting the losing battle.

Call me a libtard or whatever name you want but it's simply common sense. Would I want my children and grandchildren to smoke weed? No not necessarily but I also don't want them to become alcoholics either. I also don't want to take away yours, mine or anyone's beer so what gives me or you the right to tell someone they can't smoke weed while we sip our beers?
 
The black market Weed here in colorado hasn't wavered much. Funny thing is drug dealers don't charge a 30% tax? Who knew?
 
There is no black market for beer is there? There is no black market for cigarettes either why is that? Get back to me when you can walk in to the local Johnny quick and buy a dime bag and there is some real competition.
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-13-17 AT 09:01PM (MST)[p]
Sorry the links over a year old, there's probably twice as many mmj shops here by now. They dont call em Johnny quicks here but if you're standin in a town, you're probably within reasonable walking distance of a head shop. They're good places to rob too as they're cash only shops. Legalizing it doesn't eliminate the black market and all the illegal grows and problems associated with the black market.


https://www.coloradopotguide.com/co...n-colorado-than-mcdonalds-starbucks-combined/
 
Forky, you make a good case for legalization, and I reluctantly agree with you. Marijuana is here to stay.

It needs to be legalized nationally. There are a few who want to grow legally and jump through the hoops by following regulations, inspections and taxation. Those are the "suckers", the ones who run interference for the black market dealers. No State will ever have the funds to police all the grows. There is an estimated 10,000 grows in Humboldt County alone. You can see most of them on Google Earth. They make around 10 busts a year. Nobody really fears the law anymore.

Most of the illegal grows are taken out of state to sell to states where it's still illegal. That will only stop when everyone climbs on board.

Except for the few "suckers" most growers are against legalization. They love the $2000/lb they get in Utah, New Jersey, etc.

And until it's legalized nationally, we're going to keep getting these stories about once a month here.

https://lostcoastoutpost.com/2017/feb/11/fugitive-trimmer-wanted-murder-laytonville-man-jef/
 
Eel, exactly!! People that are against the legalization are either financially invested in it remaining illegal or they are simply blinded by the notion they've been taught that mj is bad.

I don't care how much money you throw at law enforcement to eradicate it you never will. It makes it even harder to eradicate when it's partially legal as it is in some states. When the federal government gets on board and businesses can actually operate with a bank account you will see big corporations form to produce marijuana for the masses. This is when the black market will fall and people of proper age will be able to hit their local convenience store to buy their weed.

Most people that have their bedroom currently set up as their grow room will give that up because it won't be profitable anymore competing against the big boys.
As time goes on, it will be no different than buying alcohol.

People arguing that the legalization hasn't stopped the black market so far are overlooking the fact that it really isn't legal and won't be until the Feds change their position. So far I've heard no good reason to keep it illegal. If I'm not talking common sense then someone change my mind. Where is the proof that doing what we've been doing for years and years is working?
 

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