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It's gonna be humorous watching you clowns and the left wing media proclaiming the sky is falling when it doesn't pass in an hour!
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-24-17 AT 01:11PM (MST)[p]Yep everything is terrific and beautiful when a president with a majority of his own party can't pass his signature campaign promise.

It is funny to watch the self delusion the dyed orange Trumpeters go through to pretend things are just peachy. If he can't get this bill passed what is he capable of doing?

I thought he was the closer?

Nemont
 
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>Well, at least Dude and Nemont
>are happy now. They get
>to have Obamacare for the
>next few years.


It's gonna be great!
 
>Wonder why they could find the
>votes last year to actually
>pass a bill and send
>it to Obama to veto?
> But when their
>votes would actually mean taking
>this thing away they are
>chicken shyt. Seems like
>they don't like to govern
>much.
>
>They got 240 yes votes just
>in January of 2016. What
>gives?
>
>
>http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/06/politics/house-obamacare-repeal-planned-parenthood/


That was repeal not repeal and replace. They didn't like what they were replacing it with. Back to the drawing board, better than passing a pos!
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-24-17 AT 04:10PM (MST)[p]Glen,

That is a good one. I am not eligible for any subsidy so I pay full freight on me and two of my kids. $1,178 a month for a $13,000 deductible. My wife has her own plan at the school where she teaches.

I don't have the luxury like you do of having the taxpayer picking up the tab for a socialized plan like the Medicare you enjoy. I have to make enough to pay for you and then enough to pay for me and then enough to give to the other free loaders.

DW,

I agree but they had 7 years and over 60 votes to repeal it, don't you think that in 7 years they would have come up a plan that was as good or better than what we have now? Unless no such plan exists.

I love Trump blaming the democrats for not coming on board with this bill. That is some good stuff right there.

Nemont
 
>Well, at least Dude and Nemont
>are happy now. They get
>to have Obamacare for the
>next few years.
and the thousands of refugees.
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-24-17 AT 06:00PM (MST)[p]+1 Nemont, better yet I love it when McConnell whines about the Dems being obstructionists. No matter, it was what some us expected it to be, crap, so no shock there.



Now Dear Leader will punish the people for questioning his love of all us. All hail Dear Leader

Excerpt: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/is-trump-sabotaging-obamacare-214907

"What's less clear is how much Trump is intentionally contributing to Obamacare?s problems. Trump has said he's resisting the temptation, because ?we have to do what's right,? and the White House sent me its three-pronged health care plan (including ?regulatory reforms to stabilize insurance markets?) as proof.

But the president has already done several things that undermine Obamacare?weakening enforcement of its insurance mandate, canceling its latest ad campaign and intensifying uncertainty about its future?although not everything he's done has undermined it.

In any case, Obamacare is facing its most serious crisis since it launched with a dysfunctional website in 2014. Insurers will decide later this spring whether to continue offering coverage on Obamacare?s exchanges, and the combination of Trump?s election, the Republican push for repeal and the new administration?s early efforts to undercut the law has created new fears of the kind of mass exodus that GOP critics have been predicting for years.

Even if the repeal bill stalls in Congress, Trump will have a lot of power to try to deepen Obamacare?s problems and enhance his argument for repeal?or to try to solve the problems and take a different type of victory lap. Trump keeps insisting that a collapse would be great news for Republicans, because it would highlight the incompetence of Democrats, while heightening the need for reforms that would reduce costs and improve care.

But even setting aside the policy implications of such a massive upheaval, some experts question Trump?s political analysis.
 
Who knew healthcare was so complicated?

So now the orange chit stain let everyone down. no repeal for his wingnuts, no insurance for ALL with lower premiums and lower deductibles for the rest.


The con man never planned on winning the presidency so he never planned it out this far.












Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
Who didn't pass Trumpcare? republicans or the insurance carriers?


Your excuses get worse by the day. Trump lost. end of story.














Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
Trump needs to Line them F'N Democrats up & Say:

You're F'N Fired!









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>
> Who didn't pass Trumpcare?
>republicans or the insurance carriers?
>
>
>
> Your excuses get worse by
>the day. Trump lost.
>end of story.
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>
>Stay Thirsty My Friends


Pay attention lennie. Foreskins tryin to blame trump for the insurers not wanting to carry the obama exchanges. Nothing to do with today's non vote.
 
I didn't say it was Trump fault did I Dimwit? It's not a long reply..a simple question to you, whose fault is it?

Why are carriers pulling out of exchanges, are you stupid or something, it's a simple question?
 
If you'll notice foreskin I asked you a question and got no answer. It seems to me you're implying it's Trump's fault insurers don't want the chitty end of the obamacare stick. Whose fault is it? It isn't obvious to you? It's the lefts, it's Grubers, it's obamas and therefore it's yours for voting for him twice. This is all going according to the lefts plan to herd us into single payer. It's gonna be great!
 
And the right has the White House and controls congress and cannot stop the left's herding? if so, of what use are they?

Nemont
 
Again, the government is not the answer. Let this thing collapse and be sure to point out who created it (not a single Republican vote) and who prevented an attempt to fix it yesterday(not a single dem would vote for it). Then maybe a real solution will be reached.
 
The health care bill debacle over the last week was because Republicans didn't vote for it. The way politics is played is, it is the people on power who get the blame.

You don't get to run for three cycles on repealing Obama care and get a majority based on that, then get into power and punt.

When it collapses the pitch fork carriers go after the people who could have done something to fix it. If Obama couldn't blame anything on Bush why can Trump blame anything on Obama?

If the Republicans just sit and do nothing they will pay a steep price for claiming to have all the answers yet providing none.

Nemont
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-25-17 AT 09:16AM (MST)[p]It took the industry three hears to spin up for the start of Obama care. If it collapses what companies will be around to pick up the dog turd that is left?

They can't fix it if they have the freedom caucus and the moderates in Medicaid expansion states at odds over what to do. I don't trust them to do anything right or good. Letting it collapse and putting people's financial futures and health in jeopardy is a recipe for political suicide. It is also a testament that the right cannot govern any longer. When given power by the voters they are inept at using to make America a better place.

I have no understanding of your certainty that government can't do anything right but you trust government will fix it.

Nemont
 
There will be no pain to anyone except the republicans. after failing to make good on a 7 year old top priority they'll be tripping over their lips to insure nobody has an excuse to fault their incompetency.


They just admitted they can't do better than Obamacare. I don't care which side you're on that's pathetic.


Who knew heath care was this complicated ?










Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
>LAST EDITED ON Mar-25-17
>AT 09:16?AM (MST)
>
>It took the industry three hears
>to spin up for the
>start of Obama care.
>If it collapses what companies
>will be around to pick
>up the dog turd that
>is left?
>
>They can't fix it if they
>have the freedom caucus and
>the moderates in Medicaid expansion
>states at odds over what
>to do. I don't
>trust them to do anything
>right or good. Letting
>it collapse and putting people's
>financial futures and health in
>jeopardy is a recipe for
>political suicide. It is
>also a testament that the
>right cannot govern any longer.
> When given power by
>the voters they are inept
>at using to make America
>a better place.
>
>I have no understanding of your
>certainty that government can't do
>anything right but you trust
>government will fix it.
>
>Nemont


I'll trust they get out of the way and get some of the other things driving up costs out of the way as well. Least I'm hopeful.
 
>
>There will be no pain to
>anyone except the republicans.
>after failing to make good
>on a 7 year old
>top priority they'll be tripping
>over their lips to insure
>nobody has an excuse to
>fault their incompetency.
>
>
>They just admitted they can't do
>better than Obamacare. I don't
>care which side you're on
>that's pathetic.
>
>
> Who knew heath care was
>this complicated ?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Stay Thirsty My Friends
not complicated at all if you are the 51 % getting it free.
 
>Hopeful based on what?


It's either that or ride this thing straight into the ground takein all I can like 50+% of the rest of the country!
 
264

Where do you get that number?

It must include those on Medicare because otherwise you aren't even in the ball park with a made up 51% number who get it "free".

Nemont
 
>264
>
>Where do you get that number?
>
>
>It must include those on Medicare
>because otherwise you aren't even
>in the ball park with
>a made up 51% number
>who get it "free".
>
>Nemont


You Got a Chart?







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Dimwit, the first thing you do is act like some over-protective boyfriend to announce it is not Trump's fault that carriers have pulled out of exchanges. It would make sense that is must somebody's fault, correct? You did ask a question in a manner as if to escape blame.

That fault lies squarely on the shoulders of the Republican Congress for short changing carriers over the Risk Corridor. Getting reimbursed .12 on the dollar is not what they signed up for. That along with other acts of political sabotage have added setbacks for the ACA.

The mere fact that I have to address this clearly illustrates that you have not educated yourself on the ACA or it's challenges.

The rate of healthcare cost growth has slowed as was intended to happen by the ACA's very creation. As with any initial implementation of a new social program there are some real problems with it that need to be addressed.

Employers did not dump their policies in droves, given the political ruckus many held back. Given the low tax penalty enrollments did not come in at the pace projected for that uninsured 26 and younger crowd. It was a given that enrollments would be stacked with pre-existing patients so balancing out the numbers with low-risk younger adults has been the goal.

Basically insurers are projected to operate a loss while the ACA starts up. Given the original language of the ACA, we the tax-payer will subsidize or re-insure the carriers for these losses. This is where your (R) controlled Congress decided it was going to change the rules.
 
>264
>
>Where do you get that number?
>
>
>It must include those on Medicare
>because otherwise you aren't even
>in the ball park with
>a made up 51% number
>who get it "free".
>
>Nemont

I just figured those getting food stamp and so on,just how do those people pay for health care,they don't and they give a f@ck ,they vote democrat!
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-25-17 AT 03:34PM (MST)[p]Who crafted the ACA? There's not a single Republican fingerprint on those 27,000 pages. The penalty for the uninsured was lower than the cost of insurance so healthy people took the penalty and the sick took the subsidized insurance and the insurance companies started takein losses immediately. Has the house held back some subsidy payments? Yes, so evidently the crafters of the bill left a hole in this colossal goat fugh. I've said it before, this thing was designed to fail in order to implement single payer. The only problem was the American people didn't want it so they started electing republicans. Which brings us to today. It remains to be seen if we can manage to avoid single payer. Time will tell.
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-25-17 AT 06:21PM (MST)[p]Most of the ACA was crafted using the republican blue print that they cooked up in response to Hillary care.

The republicans are sticking a fork in it now by Price removing everything within his power to torpedo it. Do you understand Trump is for single payer and could leave the freedom caucus sputtering in the breeze by striking a deal with the democrats?

Nemont
 

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