Flynn Fears Incriminating himself

NeMont

NeMont

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So if there is no there, there, why would Gen. Flynn first seek immunity and then decide to take the Fifth, in order to avoid self incrimination?

Taking the fifth is his right but seems odd that everyone is so busy saying there was nothing in Flynn's past that would be bad for him, the country or Trump. What harm could him telling what he knows cause?

#sad

Nemont
 
Another typical NEMO post. The constitution only applies to those you think it should. Get back to the mud hut with your buddy TOG and suck down some more peyote and swig some whiskey. Between you two ya got all the answers. Just ask ya !
 
LAST EDITED ON May-22-17 AT 01:52PM (MST)[p]I used to think you were just an a$$hat who spouted stuff to see what stuck. Now I know you are just a total dimwit.

I said it is his right. I simply asked a question. If there is no there, there, why would he need immunity and without it why does he fear incriminating himself.

I know being rational and thinking are hard during that time of the month but put in another tampon and take some Midol, maybe you and the gals should get some tea brewing too.

Nemont
 
NEMO you need to get hillarys dirty panties off of your head and out of your mouth. It is obvious you are not getting enough oxygen. But hang on, on second thought stick another pair in your sorry mouth.
 
LAST EDITED ON May-22-17 AT 02:25PM (MST)[p]Of the two of us the ONLY one to mention Hillary about anything is you. You can use your little act against Tog if that freshens your Vagina but it doesn't work against me because I never supported Hillary.

I know it is hard for inbreds to understand but you can be opposed to the con man in chief and also have despise Hillary. It wasn't a binary choice, that means one or the other for you who were born to bother and sister. A person can hold both Hillary and Trump in contempt.

Care to answer as to why Flynn would require either immunity to testify or plead the fifth to avoid self incrimination? What does it mean if neither committee has granted him immunity? They must have other sources or believe that Flynn did something which could be a crime. Absolutely his right but it just turns up the heat and spotlight on his former boss and now Mueller must be wondering what Flynn has that is so worth protecting.

But it's all good You can use any bathroom you identify with.

Nemont
 
I see. Let's hold the Trump crew to the same low standard set by Obama and by doing that we can expect progress to be made with the problems facing the country.

It's all good. It's going to be terrific.

Nemont
 
Very simple, Flynn is probably following the advice of his attorney. They know that the investigation is not only for the sake of gaining the truth, but is also a proverbial witch hunt that the Democrats are hoping for a slip up to hang their hat on.
I am sure that Flynn's attorney is worried about his client being made a scape goat by one or both sides of the aisle.

RELH
 
Okay I could believe that argument.

Doesn't not cooperating make it more difficult to get to the facts that would exonerate both himself and the Trump campaign? Hard to imagine Robert Mueller making this a political witch hunt. Mueller will want all the same documents and he can depose Flynn under oath. Of course Flynn can still take the fifth during the deposition but it seems like there is some fire where the smoke keeps boiling up from.



Nemont
 
Mouth I've learned very fast your questions are all out of rhetoric. You don't want the answer you just want to argue just like your brother ochocinco or whatever screen name he wants to lie about and say his account is messed up hoping nobody discovers it's him. Fact is every first post on his new screen names he never changes how he words things so it's easy to figure out it's him. It's almost if he's looking for a reset button of all the dumb things he's said and had to eat crow on you should look for the same way out as well.
 
Jesus Christ you're a stupid POS. do you think I'd leave my signature line if I was trying to form a new identity you moron? it's never changed. and do you think I care what a loser like you thinks of me?

Go F yourself chit stain.
















Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
LAST EDITED ON May-22-17 AT 04:21PM (MST)[p]>Mouth I've learned very fast your
>questions are all out of
>rhetoric. You don't want the
>answer you just want to
>argue just like your brother
>ochocinco or whatever screen name
>he wants to lie about
>and say his account is
>messed up hoping nobody discovers
>it's him. Fact is every
>first post on his new
>screen names he never changes
>how he words things so
>it's easy to figure out
>it's him. It's almost if
>he's looking for a reset
>button of all the dumb
>things he's said and had
>to eat crow on you
>should look for the same
>way out as well.


Utards are a special breed for sure. Too stupid to converse and too inbred to understand a question. It's no wonder every elected representative from Utah is the enemy of public lands, their voters don't care about anything but being a Utard.


I asked a question about Flynn because I am trying to figure why Flynn would be worried about incriminating himself if he did nothing wrong.

Using the idea that it is a witch hunt, then yeah maybe. All the demand for immunity and then pleading the fifth really does is give Mueller a very big smoke signal as to where to start looking for a fire.

Nemont
 
Nemont you are the perfect example of Flynn taking the fifth fearing a witch hunt. You really do not want the truth if it does not hang Trump and company.

RELH
 
LAST EDITED ON May-22-17 AT 07:29PM (MST)[p]The difference between Republicans and Democrats who claim their 5th amendment rights


Flynn is irrelevant, definitely in trouble but irrelevant as the game has shifted. It will interesting to see what comes of the information Manafort and Stone turned over.

It could be fluff to satisfy the subpoena or it may have actionable evidence.

Not that it matters, much.
 
Ne- you are smarter than that. There is a huge difference between Muller and the committees. Congress is purely political and there is great risk while testifying under oath. I am sure democrats would be prepared by lawyers to try and trap any witness into purjury. There may be criminal violations by Flynn but why would he want to testify to congress as opposed to the Special Counsel? Those committees are just a shitshow for political vendettas and most thinking Americans know that. If Flynn is guilty then the counsel will figure that out.
 
Two things.

1. I actually would like to get to the truth and if it exonerates the Trump campaign then I am good with that. If it does not then I am good with that as well.

2. Flynn can still plead the fifth to Mueller.

Which of the two entities have the most direct path to a possible prison sentence? Testifying in front of a congressional committee or an indictment coming from the recommendation of a special counsel?

I get it is for political theater and yes Democrats will make hay of it. To expect anything less is naive. If the shoe were on the other foot the Republicans would be doing the same thing.

Nemont
 
Robert Mueller is tasked with finding a crime that does not exist in the law. It is a legal impossibility.

As special counsel, Mueller can engage in all manner of spectacular jurisprudential gymnastics. However, it will not change the fact that colluding with Russia is not, under America?s criminal codes, a crime. It's just not there.

Maybe it should be. Perhaps someday Congress will pass a law criminalizing such conduct in political campaigns. But for now, there is not a single statute outlawing collaboration with a foreign government in a U.S. presidential election. Or any election, for that matter.

Why, then, are so many people who are following the Trump-Russia saga under the mistaken impression that collusion is a crime? Principally, because it is a loaded word with an historic criminal connotation.

?Collusion? became a prominent part of the legal lexicon when Benjamin Harrison occupied the White House and Congress passed the Sherman Antitrust Act in 1890 outlawing collusion in some business practices. Specifically, price fixing and other anticompetitive activities became a criminal offense under Section 1 of the Act. Almost overnight, the word ?collusion? was converted into a legal pejorative.

But collusion is only criminal in an antitrust setting. It has nothing whatsoever to do with elections. Yet that has not stopped politicians, pundits and journalists from either misunderstanding the concept and/or misconstruing its application to the Trump-Russia hysteria that has reached a deafening pitch.



Both the Department of Justice and the FBI seem equally oblivious.

Mueller?s Marching Orders

Under the law granting him legal authority (28 CFR 600), a special counsel is charged with investigating crimes. Only crimes. Nothing else. He has limited jurisdiction. Any other wrongdoing uncovered in the investigation which does not rise to the level of a criminal offense cannot even be made public by the special counsel. That is the law.

So what crime is Mueller instructed to investigate? Let take a look.

In his order appointing Mueller as special counsel (Order No. 3915-2017), Acting Attorney General Rod Rosenstein directed him to investigate ?any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump?.

But wait. If Mueller is supposed to look for evidence of a crime that is not, by legal definition, a crime?then isn't the special counsel being asked to do something that is manifestly unattainable? Doesn?t the impossibility of his assignment render the exercise futile? The answer is yes.
 
LAST EDITED ON May-23-17 AT 04:46PM (MST)[p]
FoxNews is now third in the ratings for a reason.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/scope-mueller-probe-will-public-learn-what-was-uncovered

Mueller could invoke a federal statute, 18 U.S.C. ? 3331, to convene a ?special grand jury? which is authorized to make public reports on non-criminal misconduct. To convene such a grand jury, the law requires either the approval of ?the Attorney General, the Deputy Attorney General, the Associate Attorney General??which may not be forthcoming here?or that it occur ?in a judicial district containing more than four million inhabitants.? Trump Tower, where the campaign was headquartered, is in the Southern District of New York, which has over four million inhabitants.

Among the powers of a special grand jury is a little-known provision stating:

(a) A special grand jury impaneled by any district court, with the concurrence of a majority of its members, may, upon completion of its original term, or each extension thereof, submit to the court a report?

(1) concerning noncriminal misconduct, malfeasance, or misfeasance in office involving organized criminal activity by an appointed public officer or employee as the basis for a recommendation of removal or disciplinary action; or

(2) regarding organized crime conditions in the district.



Kind of broad authority if used to publicly point out that while Collusion with a foreign government involving our free and fair elections may not be in the criminal code, it could be a form of malfeasance or misfeasance for a candidate who won an election to be involved with or have his people involved with.

There are more sanctions and levers on power at Mueller"s disposal that prosecuting a crime.

Like I said before there will be no smoking gun of a sit down or phone call between Russian authorities and Trump. It doesn't exist. The investigation into why there were so many contacts and with who is of interest and it isn't going away because there isn't a crime called "collusion".



Nemont
 
Or a sitting president who saw no reason to tell his minions not to reach out to an enemy, who works against our interests around the world, for a little help in getting elected. If it turns out that way are you dine with the ends justify the means kind of campaigning? If you are then what exactly is your beef with the way Hillary rancher little empire? or is it only bad when a democrat does it?

Maybe Mueller clears everyone and all the smoke as just the smoke boiling out of liberal head from Trump's winning. Or maybe he will find some real fire. At this point there could be no other course given how events unfolded. We shall see.

Nemont
 
In the event that Mueller does clear everyone involved he will immediately become a scum bag piece of shyt right winger that the left will character assassinate much like Comey was... until Comey wasn't.

Hopefully if Mueller does find collusion, he also finds intent since Comey made it clear that crimes can be committed but without intent, they aren't really crimes.
 
No doubt the left will whine. Mueller is an adult though with a long career of working with all. I doubt he will lose any sleep over being called a name.
 
Yes comrade, if they find collusion lets hope comrade Trump gets a free pass.



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Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
The bottom line odds say this will go nowhere as they are stretching the law to the very limit that could even end up before the supreme Court. I doubt it will even get that far.
They had more evidence, and actual violation of federal laws on Hillary and how far did that get anyone. Where is our onboard liberals yelling about a useless investigation that will cost millions as they yelled about the investigation on Hillary. Oh, I forgot, double standard applies here as usual.

RELH
 
What do your base your odds on?


Hillary, Hillary,Hillary, that is the excuse every Trump leg humper uses to justify every thing Trump does.

The thing with double standards is they swing both ways. If You cheered on the Hillary investigation as necessary and proper, you should do the same with this one if you were a non partisan.


Nemont
 
>What do your base your
>odds on?
>
>
>Hillary, Hillary,Hillary, that is the excuse
>every Trump leg humper uses
>to justify every thing Trump
>does.
>
>The thing with double standards is
>they swing both ways.
>If You cheered on the
>Hillary investigation as necessary and
>proper, you should do the
>same with this one if
>you were a non partisan.
>
>
>
>Nemont
I never ever heard Hillary say how great America is.
 
So Trump should be allowed to do what ever because of his campaign slogan? Sounds about the standards a Trump leg humper would have.

Hillary isn't going to prison because the Trump administration and his Justice Department isn't going to pursue her. Figure out why that is and then you will understand a few more things.

Nemont
 
>So Trump should be allowed to
>do what ever because of
>his campaign slogan? Sounds
>about the standards a Trump
>leg humper would have.
>
>Hillary isn't going to prison because
>the Trump administration and his
>Justice Department isn't going
>to pursue her. Figure
>out why that is and
>then you will understand a
>few more things.
>
>Nemont
sounds about the standards of a typical Hillary Snatch eaters, She won't go to prison because she is a role model on how to swindle money from tax payers.
 
You sure seem infatuated with Hillary's snatch and odor that is coming out of it. You bring it up to people who have never supported Hillary, so it must be on your mind or in your weird sexual fantasies.

Answer the question: Why won't the Trump Justice Department go after her? Is Trump just all full of hot air when he said, "Because you would be in jail"? The Trump leg humpers can't figure out they were swindled and then whine like 12 year old girls, "Look at Hillary, look at Hillary". Why isn't Jeff Session ordering resources to be directed at Crooked Hillary and the Clinton Foundation? Maybe it's that donation from the Donald J. Trump Foundation to the Clinton Foundation makes that more difficult?

Birds of a feather.


Nemont
 
>You sure seem infatuated with Hillary's
>snatch and odor that is
>coming out of it.
> You bring it up
>to people who have never
>supported Hillary, so it must
>be on your mind or
>in your weird sexual fantasies.
>
>
>Answer the question: Why won't
>the Trump Justice Department go
>after her? Is
>Trump just all full of
>hot air when he said,
>"Because you would be in
>jail"? The Trump
>leg humpers can't figure out
>they were swindled and then
>whine like 12 year old
>girls, "Look at Hillary, look
>at Hillary". Why
>isn't Jeff Session ordering resources
>to be directed at Crooked
>Hillary and the Clinton Foundation?
> Maybe it's that
> donation from the
>Donald J. Trump Foundation
>to the Clinton Foundation makes
>that more difficult?
>
>Birds of a feather.
>
>
>Nemont
>
>
Oh my GOD !
 
I cannot believe you mouthbreathers are still clinging to hope this will all go away and be forgotten. I love it.

















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