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Whatsamatter chumps? this is " YUGE " you don't want to talk about it? cat got your tongue? or is your mouth full of orange ?


The Mexicans are laughing their azz off. as am I .











Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
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I think everybody is just sick of your ridiculous crap. Remember when everybody was doing exactly what you are doing in regards to your hero obummer?

Its pretty easy for a weak mind to regurgitate somebody elses thoughts on a daily basis....

You're boring!!!
 
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Ha! that's all you got CHUMP ? your ignorance and lame excuses amuse me no end.


Did or did not Trump promise Mexico would pay for the wall CHUMP ? so now his saying he'll shut the government down if US TAXPAYERS won't pay for the wall , this is boring CHUMP ?


GFYS now you CHUMP so you don't have to take seconds behind Trump again .


















Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
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I still think that Mexico will end up paying for it in the end. Trump intends to change certain trade agreements we have with Mexico where we take it in the shorts compared to what they got.

RELH
 
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What trade agreements can he change to provide revenue to build the wall? Enriching Ford or Monsanto doesn't pay diddly squat towards the wall.

He is president not King
 
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Feb.6, 2017

US-Mexico trade is on the verge of a renovation. US president Donald J. Trump says he wants accelerate talks to renegotiate the North American Free Trade Agreement, a deal he says has been a ?catastrophe? for America workers. Trump has floated a 20% import tax on all Mexican products to finance his border wall.

Because most of the $304.6 billion in goods that cross the US's southern border are untaxed under NAFTA, Trump has lots of room to run. A blanket tax, however, may not be the best approach. Tariffs are typically applied in a much more nuanced way.


How to read these charts

Quartz gathered import data from the US Census Bureau comprising 6,011 hierarchical product categories, the amount imported, and the tax collected. Every product the US buys at least $1 million worth from Mexico is shown below through the lens of the Harmonized System, the international standard for categorizing and taxing traded goods.
 
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RELH, what do you think? Do you think NAFTA is a catastrophe? If so, can you show us some facts to support your belief?
 
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LAST EDITED ON Aug-25-17 AT 01:45AM (MST)[p]Why don't you do your own research and make up your mind from the facts you find if NAFTA was such a good thing for the U.S. workers that lost their jobs when their company pulled up stakes and went South.

I give you a hint, as there is a lot of pro and con over NAFTA.

RELH
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Does that mean that Canada and the U.S. are NAFTA's winners, and Mexico is its loser? Perhaps, but if so, why did Trump debut his campaign in June 2015 with, "When do we beat Mexico at the border? They're laughing at us, at our stupidity. And now they are beating us economically"?

Because, in a way, Mexico does beat the U.S. at the border. Prior to NAFTA, the trade balance in goods between the two countries was modestly in favor of the U.S. Today Mexico sells close to $60 billion more to the U.S. than it buys from its northern neighbor. NAFTA is an enormous and enormously complicated deal; looking at economic growth can lead to one conclusion, while looking at the balance of trade leads to another.


Read more: NAFTA's Winners And Losers http://www.investopedia.com/article...erican-free-trade-agreement.asp#ixzz4qkbpmdTD
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NAFTA was great for my biggest furniture competitor. They moved their production a mile south of the border after the crash. They put in 55 new spray booths up here and do finishing in America. They pay around $20 a day in labor in Mexico. We pay $25 an hour here. If companies decide to relocate production to another country slap a 35% tax on their asses.
 
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I have done my research RELH, I am asking you if you agree with Dear Leader that NAFTA is a catastrophe or if you think otherwise and why.

Pretty simple
 
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Cool definitely some good info there. What is your thought on NAFTA? There's always going to be winners and losers in any trade agreement. I don't profess to be an economist and I think that after 23 years of data, we should look at the agreement and negotiate changes to it that might benefit us.

I'm losing confidence that Congress or the POTUS will be able to get anything done. I'm not sure that NAFTA should even be high on the priority list since China was the bad guy during the campaign. I think voters are looking to see healthcare, taxes and illegal immigration get done and are going to lose patience if Republicans don't start putting forth some good legislation.
 
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I feel that NAFTA can be negotiated where the U.S. gets a better deals then what we have now. 60 billion trade difference in favor of Mexico is way too much.
Most Democrats are in favor of the current NAFTA agreement, those same Democrats are also in favor of sanctuary cities.

RELH
 
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Dude you are one stupid idiot. You keep posting left wing slanted news articles from the anti Trump liberal press as if it is the gospel truth.

Trump is not going to gut or abolish NAFTA, instead he will try to negotiate a better deal for this country.

I hope NBC or CNN does not publish an article about the sky will be falling. You are stupid enough to believe it and run around looking for a underground shelter to protect the marbles in your head.

RELH
 
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> Trump is not
>going to gut or abolish
>NAFTA, instead he will try
>to negotiate a better deal
>for this country.


Ag is a sector Trump is willing to trade away. He neither cares about or understands the Ag. Sector of the economy. There is zero chance of the talking Yam getting a better deal for American Ag producers then what they currently get under NAFTA, period.
 
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Exactly.


Nobody gives a FF about ag . that's what happens when you get spoiled rotten slobs like RELH and Trump who've never seen an empty slot in his supermarket. who cares right?














Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
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>Exactly.
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>Nobody gives a FF about ag
>. that's what happens
>when you get spoiled rotten
>slobs like RELH and Trump
>who've never seen an empty
>slot in his supermarket.
> who cares right?
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>Stay Thirsty My Friends
Yea and you are first in line for your farm aid.
 
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Bottom line is that both of you are taking a wild guess what Trump will do in trying to revise the NAFTA agreement.
I would think that Trump would concentrate more on the manufactured goods being shipped over the border.

RELH
 
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If you were in Ag. you would understand that the current deal can only go one way for you, down. Even the rangiest cowboy here understands that NAFTA has given them a market they didn't have before and they lament the loss of TPP because Ag would have prospered feeding a growing demand from Asia and India. All trade agreements are compromises. The talking Yam will sell the Ag. producers down the river. That is just fact.

Nemont
 
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AG is a global market. What you do not sell to Mexico or Canada can be sold to other countries. A difference of 60 billion dollars at the border needs to be re-negotiated for equal fairness to all partners. Dude just needs to be a better farmer and raise crops that will sell due to global shortage.

RELH
 
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That is compete and total BS. We have markets for our food and fiber within trucking distance and currently we dominate those markets with our Ag. Products. It is stupid to give them up to compete with the rest of the world where currency values, transport cost and political push back can make our Ag products uncompetitive or outright banned overnight.

After one BSE case it took years to get American beef back into China, Japan and Korea. It took just a couple months to export beef to Canada and Mexico again.

Keep thinking that it makes more sense to load ships Instead of trucks.

The talking yam is just as dumb about how our Ag sector has enjoyed having North American markets.

Nemont
 
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>That is compete and total BS.
> We have markets for
>our food and fiber within
>trucking distance and currently we
>dominate those markets with our
>Ag. Products. It is
>stupid to give them up
>to compete with the rest
>of the world where currency
>values, transport cost and political
>push back can make our
>Ag products uncompetitive or outright
>banned overnight.
>
>After one BSE case it took
>years to get American beef
>back into China, Japan and
>Korea. It took just
>a couple months to export
>beef to Canada and Mexico
>again.
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>Keep thinking that it makes more
>sense to load ships
>Instead of trucks.
>
>The talking yam is just as
>dumb about how our Ag
>sector has enjoyed having North
>American markets.
>
>Nemont
sense to load ships that's great until the union says no they got more power than the yam.
 
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You are the one that is full of total B.S. while you set behind your safe desk ripping off baby boomers with your high priced insurance.
My Father in law was a farmer for 50 years and a very successful one at that. I live in a farming area and some of he best money earned here is by farmers selling to China
and other countries beside Mexico.

RELH
 
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>You are the one that is
>full of total B.S. while
>you set behind your safe
>desk ripping off baby boomers
>with your high priced insurance.
>
> My Father in
>law was a farmer for
>50 years and a very
>successful one at that. I
>live in a farming area
>and some of he best
>money earned here is by
>farmers selling to China
>and other countries beside Mexico.
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+1
 
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LAST EDITED ON Aug-29-17 AT 09:33AM (MST)[p]


RELH,

Can you explain how I set the rates for insurance plans sold to willing buyers? I suspect you are as ignorant about how insurance works as you are about how NAFTA has been good for Ag. but give it try. How do I set rates for insurance plans and then explain how I force willing buyers to come in and buy them. What a fake conservative pile of shyt. Now small businesses, the backbone of the local economies, who give back in so many ways, are bad to the phoney Trumpettes who claim to be conservative. #sad#phoney#orangelipsandall

I grew up on the back of a horse ranching, spent summers irrigating and haying from age 6 on. Married into a ranching family that was homesteaded 115 years ago and survived the dust bowl, the 1980's farm crisis and is still intact. I am not in Ag. By choice. I saw how hard life can be up close and personal. I still am driving truck during harvest, sorting calves at shipping and on the ranch at least weekly. So gfys.

I live 60 miles from the border on a main port trading route, our main and only industry is Ag. Weekly our auction yards have sales that send cattle north of the border. NAFTA has aided the Ag sector tremendously and that is just a fact. I know facts are kryptonite to Trumpettes, facts frighten the shyt out of those who are invested in believing Trump will save them.


As for disparaging my career choice, have at it. Other than the 6 years I served uncle Sam I have never worked in a job dependent on taxpayers paying my way. I don't take with both hands and whine like a little girl about the people paying for my health care and meds like you do. I can't help it if your generation wants to eat their grand children, that is on you and your fellow boomers.

Nemont
 
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Nemont you may have not worked in a job that was funded by taxpayer, except for your 6 years in the military. You do work for a business that would suck every ounce of blood they could get away with from the citizens of this country.

Yes you do not set the rates charged, your blood sucking insurance companies does that. On the same token a loanshark sets the interest rate and you can be compared to the guys that collect the interest.

As for farming knowledge I worked for my father in law as he wanted me to take over the farm when he retired. I found out that 12-14 hours on a tractor or harvester was the most boring job in the world and I did not love farming as he did.
So I became a LEO and enjoyed hunting two legged game. My wife owns the farm now and the crops are being sold to other countries or used in the domestic market at a good price.

RELH
 
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So I should feel bad for daring to employ people, risking capital and being successful? You should be down marching with the liberals with that attitude.

When was the last time you delivered anything produced on the farm directly to any country or held an export license to market your Ag products directly? There are more middlemen in Ag than in insurance and they make money off of products people need to exist.

I bet you are clueless where anything produced on that farm actually is consumed by the end user.

Keep taking with both hands from Medicare and whining about the insurance industry. If it is so lucrative why don't you get in the game? I know these reason but let's hear it. You are too fat and happy off the taxpayer funded retirement and taxpayer paid Medicare to risk anything. Fakers are predictable if nothing else.

Nemont
 
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You are right about "middle men" in the ag business that rake off big money for very little work. Sounds like you with the insurance business.

RELH
 
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It is a pittance I get , compared to a blank check, open ended, taxpayer funded socialized health plan like you a taking full advantage of.

There are private options for coverage if you were man enough to step up and provide your own coverage.

Nemont
 
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>It is a pittance I get
>, compared to a blank
>check, open ended, taxpayer funded
>socialized health plan like you
>a taking full advantage of.
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>There are private options for
>coverage if you were man
>enough to step up and
>provide your own coverage.
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>Nemont
A pittance ? yea okay ...LMAOF
 
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There you go again with your short term memory. If you could remember on a past post I mentioned that I asked my insurance company if I could just keep my coverage with them at the rate I was paying, about $1,300.00 per month, and not go on Medicare. Blue shield-Blue Cross told me NO.
I had to go on Medicare and they would provide the supplement coverage of about $980.00 per month since my wife was not old enough for Medicare. Talk about profit, nothing but a licensed legal loan shark at loan shark rates. The reason for not going on Medicare was that I wanted to switch to the doctor my wife was using, but he was not taking any more Medicare patients due to Medicare being so late in making payments on the bills he submitted to them.
You need to take a good look in the mirror at yourself if you think you are not part of the problem with high cost of medical coverage.
As for you now stating that you only get a "pittance", you were the egotistic S.O.B. that bragged you made more money in a month then a cop did in a year. I guess you forgot about that statement also.
Either you have short term memory lost, or you are an outright liar. Which is it?

RELH
 
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There are still private options that you could be on if you were willing to take the none subsidized Medicare coverage. That is a fact .
You don't HAVE to go on Medicare, you only looked into one option not all your options.

Yes I make a great living, I borrowed money, built a business and created jobs. I have nothing to be ashamed of. I am a capitalist and don't take with both hands and beotch about wanting to shrink government. Let's start with Medicare, where the real money is. Trump said the drivers of our debt are off limits. He could fire every government employee and the current liabilities of social security and Medicare will still bankrupt us. He and his oranges lipped band of merry men pretend they are cutting spending but they have not done diddly squat but double down on failed policies.

You could still get none subsidized coverage for you and your spouse without putting your grand children in debt prison but you don't want to have to pay your own way.

Nemont
 
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There you have it folks. Coming from the mouth of a true capitalist that will not bat an eye while ripping off the very people he claims to dislike. I wonder if you are ripping off your own parents since they should be baby boomers.
If that is what it takes to be a "true Conservative" I do not want to be one.

RELH
 
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LAST EDITED ON Aug-29-17 AT 09:13PM (MST)[p]Did they teach any economic classes in the people's republic of California back in the 60's when you got your diploma?
When I provide a service as a willing seller and willing buyers freely purchase my service's that Is the market working. Nobody got ripped off by me.


Why do you hate the free market?

I get it you are used to a government paycheck and didn't ever make a payroll so like most government employees you think everybody gets free health insurance.

Nemont
 
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First you bragged that your salary as a insurance broker is so great that you make more money in one month then a cop does in a whole year.

Then trying to diminish your excessive salary, you come on here saying you only get a "pittance" as a blood sucker insurance broker that is part of the very high cost of health insurance.

Then when you get called on your outright lie, you admit you make a good salary. That makes you nothing but a outright liar and now we wonder about what else have you lied about on this forum.

Over thousands of interrogations I have done in 30 years of law enforcement, I have met many liars that lie in order to diminish their actions and you fit that group to a "T".

You have no conscience and could less about some poor husband and wife being bled for their health insurance as long as you get your money to stuff in your wallet so you can make more money in a month then a cop does in one year.

A cop who was willing to put his life on the line for the people he served while you parked your butt behind a safe desk and had the gall to berate law enforcement officers because they did not make the salary you can.
If that is being a righteous conservative, I will prefer to being a fake conservative and not be the egotistical Adam Henry that you have proven to be. End of discussion as far as I am concerned. You are not worth the time and trouble.

RELH
 
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>First you bragged that your salary
>as a insurance broker is
>so great that you make
>more money in one month
>then a cop does in
>a whole year.
>
> Then trying to
>diminish your excessive salary, you
>come on here saying you
>only get a "pittance" as
>a blood sucker insurance broker
>that is part of the
>very high cost of health
>insurance.
>
> Then when you
>get called on your outright
>lie, you admit you make
>a good salary. That
>makes you nothing but a
>outright liar and now we
>wonder about what else have
>you lied about on this
>forum.
>
> Over thousands of
>interrogations I have done in
>30 years of law enforcement,
>I have met many liars
>that lie in order to
>diminish their actions and you
>fit that group to a
>"T".
>
> You have
>no conscience and could less
>about some poor husband and
>wife being bled for their
>health insurance as long as
>you get your money to
>stuff in your wallet so
>you can make more money
>in a month then a
>cop does in one year.
>
>
> A cop who
>was willing to put his
>life on the line for
>the people he served while
>you parked your butt behind
>a safe desk and had
>the gall to berate law
>enforcement officers because they did
>not make the salary you
>can.
> If that
>is being a righteous conservative,
>I will prefer to being
>a fake conservative and not
>be the egotistical Adam Henry
>that you have proven to
>be. End of discussion as
>far as I am concerned.
>You are not worth the
>time and trouble.
>
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> RELH
+1.....That should shut his yap for awhile.
 
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LAST EDITED ON Aug-30-17 AT 09:24AM (MST)[p]Making up lies does nothing to further your argument.

I don't get a salary you dumbphuck I get what is left after all the bills are paid and all my employees are compensated for their work.

I never have berated law enforcement. One of best friends and hunting buddies is a guy who served as the local Sheriff for 12 years.

In addition I spend every day working to help people get and afford their insurance. I sit across the desk every day from people who are trying to afford their health plans. They pay me to solve their problem so don't tell me I don't care.

Even with my success I don't get a blank check to spend on health from the taxpayers like you do. My income is a pittance compared to the wealth transfer you are enrolled in with Medicare coverage.

If you truly wanted to shrink government start at your own kitchen table and pay your own way for health insurance. If you only want to cut others then You are a phony.

The only reason you are wrapped tight on this is because I hit too close to home. Instead of making a rational argument as to why you, as a self avowed conservative, are on a socialized health care plan is because it is the most cost effective coverage out there. You resort to attacking my profession, my business that creates jobs and belittling me. Go back and see who was the first person to bring up your or my personal choices in life.

99% of what you posted about me is neither true, accurate or factual but you are butt hurt because I dared to point out the hypocrisy you live with so you get your feeling hurt and turn into being just like the liberals you hate, a victim. Going on medicare isn't mandatory. You could opt out of it and pay full freight but you find the socialized system the most cost effective way to provide coverage for you and your spouse. Why not just admit government run plan is the best choice for your household? It certainly is not the only choice.


Nemont
 

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