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Sep-26-17, 
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"White Privilege..."

Does it exist? I agree with the article below wholeheartedly.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/431393/white-privilege-myth-reality

I believe white privilege ties in with what the NFL players are protesting about. Kaepernick said that he refuses to stand for a flag that represents a country that oppresses black people. When do black people get to take responsibility for their own oppression?

Nobody condones police brutality. I say throw the pigs in prison who use excessive force on anyone black, white or purple. At some point however, the black community needs to look at their own statistics and realize that their disproportionate family structure compared to the white community is part of their problem.

At a steady rate of 66%, the black community has the highest percentage of single parent households in America. Whites on the other hand are at 25%. Surely there is some correlation to these statistics and the poverty rate/prison demographics but the black community always seems to be the victim.

I don't agree with how the NFL players are protesting by kneeling for the national anthem. A large percentage of these players are black and have the means to act as role models for their community. They should use their platform to address the glaring problem they have and acknowledge their family deficiencies rather than always be the victim.


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 Subject   Author   Message Date   ID 
 RE: White Priv...  264mag      Sep-27-17   1 
 RE: White Priv...  eelgrass      Sep-27-17   2 
  RE: White Priv...  OchocoKid      Sep-27-17   3 
   RE: White Priv...  dirtygrass      Sep-27-17   4 
   RE: White Priv...  264mag      Sep-27-17   5 
    RE: White Priv...  dirtygrass      Sep-27-17   6 
    RE: White Priv...  OchocoKid      Sep-27-17   7 
     RE: White Priv...  264mag      Sep-27-17   8 
      RE: White Priv...  OchocoKid      Sep-27-17   9 
       RE: White Priv...  CAforkedhorn      Sep-27-17   10 
        RE: White Priv...  OchocoKid      Sep-27-17   11 
         RE: White Priv...  DW      Sep-27-17   12 
          RE: White Priv...  NeMont      Sep-27-17   13 
           RE: White Priv...  RELH      Sep-27-17   14 
            RE: White Priv...  NeMont      Sep-27-17   15 
             RE: White Priv...  OchocoKid      Sep-27-17   16 
              RE: White Priv...  RELH      Sep-27-17   17 
               RE: White Priv...  CAforkedhorn      Sep-27-17   18 
               RE: White Priv...  Forthewall      Sep-27-17   19 
                RE: White Priv...  264mag      Sep-27-17   20 
                 RE: White Priv...  OchocoKid      Sep-27-17   21 
                RE: White Priv...  CAforkedhorn      Sep-27-17   22 
                 RE: White Priv...  264mag      Sep-27-17   23 
                  RE: White Priv...  RELH      Sep-27-17   24 
                   RE: White Priv...  RELH      Sep-28-17   25 
                    RE: White Priv...  OchocoKid      Sep-28-17   26 
                     RE: White Priv...  CAforkedhorn      Sep-28-17   27 
                      RE: White Priv...  OchocoKid      Sep-28-17   28 
                       RE: White Priv...  RELH      Sep-28-17   29 
                       RE: White Priv...  CAforkedhorn      Sep-28-17   30 
                        RE: White Priv...  NeMont      Sep-28-17   31 
                         RE: White Priv...  RELH      Sep-28-17   32 
                          RE: White Priv...  NeMont      Sep-28-17   33 
                           RE: White Priv...  RELH      Sep-28-17   34 
                            RE: White Priv...  NeMont      Sep-28-17   35 
                             RE: White Priv...  RELH      Sep-28-17   36 
                              RE: White Priv...  NeMont      Sep-29-17   37 
                               RE: White Priv...  OchocoKid      Sep-29-17   38 
                                RE: White Priv...  264mag      Sep-29-17   39 
                                 RE: White Priv...  OchocoKid      Sep-29-17   40 
                                 RE: White Priv...  CAforkedhorn      Sep-29-17   41 
                                  RE: White Priv...  RELH      Sep-29-17   42 
                                   RE: White Priv...  OchocoKid      Sep-29-17   43 
                                    RE: White Priv...  CAforkedhorn      Sep-29-17   44 
                                     RE: White Priv...  OchocoKid      Sep-29-17   45 
                                      RE: White Priv...  Forthewall      Sep-29-17   46 
                                       RE: White Priv...  RELH      Sep-29-17   47 
                                        RE: White Priv...  OchocoKid      Sep-29-17   48 
                                         RE: White Priv...  RELH      Sep-29-17   49 
                                        RE: White Priv...  Forthewall      Sep-29-17   50 
                                         RE: White Priv...  RELH      Sep-30-17   51 
                                          RE: White Priv...  OchocoKid      Sep-30-17   52 

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264mag
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Sep-27-17, 
06:30 AM (MST)
1. "RE: White Privilege..."

Condoms.

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Sep-27-17, 
07:32 AM (MST)
2. "RE: White Privilege..."

"The political goal is to ensure that blacks continue to view America as racist. The Left knows that the only way to retain political power in America is to perpetuate the belief among black Americans that their primary problem is white racism. Only then will blacks continue to regard the Left and the Democrats as indispensable."

Says it all. Even though blacks suffered the most economically under Obama's 8 years, they continue to be lead around by the nose.

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Sep-27-17, 
08:14 AM (MST)
3. "RE: White Privilege..."

You can take the African out of africa but you can't take the Africa out of the African. you can understand their problems here by looking at where they came from. it's who they are.

That said, they do have the same rights in America as a white person no matter how bad that pizzes Trump and his merry band of racists off. burning crosses on FOX news is only making it worse.


If some dipchit loser wants to kneel during the anthem it's his right. get over it. if this is the biggest issue the orange sphincter and his klansmen can find to fret about an adult needs to remind them about some real problems in America and around the world at this very moment.

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dirtygrass
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Sep-27-17, 
08:45 AM (MST)
4. "RE: White Privilege..."

I grew up poor, paid for my college, started my own business 34 years ago, still going strong today, retire in two years. Hell yea I'm privileged.

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264mag
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Sep-27-17, 
08:46 AM (MST)
5. "RE: White Privilege..."

> You can take the African
>out of africa but you
>can't take the Africa out
>of the African. you
>can understand their problems here
>by looking at where they
>came from. it's who they
>are.
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>That said, they do have
>the same rights in America
>as a white person no
>matter how bad that pizzes
>Trump and his merry band
>of racists off.
>burning crosses on FOX news
>is only making it worse.
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> If some dipchit loser wants
>to kneel during the anthem
>it's his right. get
>over it. if
>this is the biggest issue
>the orange sphincter and his
>klansmen can find to fret
>about an adult needs to
>remind them about some real
>problems in America and around
>the world at this very
>moment.
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>Stay Thirsty My Friends

What did you do with your white sheet?

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dirtygrass
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Sep-27-17, 
08:58 AM (MST)
6. "RE: White Privilege..."

As far as the NFL (kneelers) go, this will be interesting to watch, Direct TV offering full refunds for their NFL ticket if you want to cancel. Sounds to me like they have received a lot of calls wanting to cancel with a full refund or they will change providers.

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Sep-27-17, 
08:59 AM (MST)
7. "RE: White Privilege..."

Don't worry , I'll have it on at the rally tonight. see you there.


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264mag
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Sep-27-17, 
09:24 AM (MST)
8. "RE: White Privilege..."

> Don't worry , I'll
>have it on at the
>rally tonight. see
>you there.
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You have the king size with the yellow stains right ?

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Sep-27-17, 
10:27 AM (MST)
9. "RE: White Privilege..."

Yep, I'll give it back to you after RELH says we're adjourned.

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Sep-27-17, 
02:48 PM (MST)
10. "RE: White Privilege..."

So... what you're saying is that yes black people are to blame for their own problems but Trump is a racist?

We're not talking about Trump right now. I think he would be a lot smarter to have kept his mouth shut but there is a large consensus that happens to agree with him. Regardless this is about black people and the left idea of white privilege. Can you add anything of any substance to the discussion or are you so giddy about Trump sucking that you can't put together a rational thought?

I happened to notice that the Steelers stayed in the locker room for the national anthem but when they ran out on the field, they were heavily booed. What this tells me is that the average joe doesn't like their way of protesting. While it is certainly their right to do it their way, it is also the consumer's right not to buy the product. Directv figured it out and are offering refunds but then again they're probably just a bunch of racists too right?

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Sep-27-17, 
03:06 PM (MST)
11. "RE: White Privilege..."

Would you like to bet lots people stop watching football ? then it's a non issue.

Trump stirred this chit pot so don't snivel at me for talking about it. and yes he got a the base a big woody over it, that's all.


Am I saying black people are to blame for many of their problems? yes. am I saying Trump is a racist retard who's race baiting the nation? yes. you don't think both can be true at the same time?

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Sep-27-17, 
03:10 PM (MST)
12. "RE: White Privilege..."

>Would you like to bet
>lots people stop watching football
>? then it's a
>non issue.
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>Trump stirred this chit pot so
>don't snivel at me for
> talking about it.
>and yes he got a
>the base a big woody
>over it, that's all.
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>Am I saying black people are
>to blame for many
>of their problems? yes.
> am I saying
>Trump is a racist retard
>who's race baiting the nation?
> yes. you
>don't think both can be
>true at the same time?
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Tell me again when and how trump started this? Your short term is gone!


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Sep-27-17, 
03:28 PM (MST)
13. "RE: White Privilege..."

Trump is the one who decided Football players kneeling required his personal attention. Never mind North Korea, Iran, Puerto Rico, Houston, The state of Florida, losing the Obamacare repeal again, tax reform, etc, etc. What needed the President of the United States Attention were a bunch of spoiled football players.

Why comment at all? Does anyone kneeling change your pride in the National Anthem and our flag? Is it their right to decide to be silly and kneel?

Stupid is as stupid does but in the case of Trumpteers, Stupid is as Trump tells them to do.

Why give them all the free press?

Nemont

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RELH
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Sep-27-17, 
04:05 PM (MST)
14. "RE: White Privilege..."

What you are saying Nemont is that the President of the U.S. is not entitled to express his personal opinion like the rest of us. As for his time spent on the matter, instead of more important things, was about 10 minutes typing his tweet. Obama spent much more time on the golf course during times he was needed in the White house.
I guess respecting the National Anthem does not mean anything to you since you took the stand you have about Trump should have kept quite. Does that make you a fake conservative after all.

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Sep-27-17, 
04:21 PM (MST)
15. "RE: White Privilege..."

LAST EDITED ON Sep-27-17 AT 04:49 PM (MST)

RELH,

I know reading is hard in the afternoon when the geritol wears off and your afternoon oatmeal has not been served.

I will type slower. I Always stand, remove my headgear and pay my respects to both the flag and the National Anthem. However that is MY Choice. I have did my time and as patriotic as anyone. However is the most important thing in America right now making sure our government can force everyone to stand and honor the flag?

I support every American's right to have their 1st Amendment rights, I don't have to agree with how they exercise them. My TV has an off button and I chose to use it so as not to support the NFL. I think it is stupid for any President to wade into something that a total of 12 players were doing and get 230 to do it. If that is all Trump has to worry about then he is even more pi$$ poor than even I ever thought. He is free to voice his opinion but at some point he should be smart enough to understand he doesn't have to state it on stupid things. Discretion is the better part of valor. Trump has neither discretion nor valor, just like his supporters.

Perhaps you phony conservatives, who claim to love the Constitution, should actually read what is in it. If our government can force you stand for the national anthem and flag, what else can it force you to do?

your fake conservative values are shining through.

Nemont

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Sep-27-17, 
05:23 PM (MST)
16. "RE: White Privilege..."

RELH thinks he's the only patriot on the forum. priceless.

My dad was a WWII vet, he would have hated Trump. I never questioned honoring the flag and taking my hat off for the anthem, and I would have had my azz kicked had I not. personally I think Kappernickle should be put on a slow boat back to Africa. but that's not my call, nor is it the orange man's. this is simply another distraction from dear leader to divert attention from his failing presidency.


Maybe RELH can learn from a real patriot what they fought for.


http://www.marketwatch.com/story/wwii-vet-takes-a-knee-slams-trump-and-becomes-an-instant-internet-sensation-2017-09-24?link=lcountdown


As far as white privilege goes getting back to the original subject, yes it does exist in some areas and some people because it existed everywhere for so long. you can't change the rules 200 years after the game started and say everything is fixed. a 200 year head start has to account for something doesn't it?


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RELH
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Sep-27-17, 
06:26 PM (MST)
17. "RE: White Privilege..."

Just what I expected. Double talk out of both sides of the mouth from two know it all.
Dude if your father was still alive, he and his brothers who served during WW11 would kick your A$$ from here to China for some of the things you have spouted off on in these forums.
To bad you did not learn from them.

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Sep-27-17, 
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18. "RE: White Privilege..."


Jesus H Tap Dancing Christ. Can we talk about a subject without it becoming all about Trump? The topic is white privilege so how about giving me a solid example of it because I don't see it.

440 hell yes I'll take that bet. I got $500 that says the NFL is losing viewership compared to last year, you in?

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Sep-27-17, 
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19. "RE: White Privilege..."

"A 19-year-old white man accused of kicking a coat hanger up the rectum of a mentally disabled black teammate received no jail time at his sentencing on Friday."

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/02/27/517510627/no-jail-time-for-19-year-old-in-idaho-coat-hanger-assault-case

"The letter was praised for its “powerful” message that encouraged sexual-assault victims to seek justice against their attackers. It also immediately sparked outrage on social media and elsewhere because of the sentence Turner received for the crimes it described: six months in county jail and three years of probation. Turner faced up to 14 years in state prison when he was convicted in March of three felonies—assault with intent to commit rape of an intoxicated woman, sexually penetrating an intoxicated person with a foreign object, and sexually penetrating an unconscious person with a foreign object—and prosecutors had asked for six years. But the judge had ordered much less, saying a harsher sentence would have a “severe impact” on Turner, a star swimmer who could have made it to the Olympics."

"Turner received for the crimes it described: six months in county jail and three years of probation."

Tell what you think the outcome of these cases would be if the offender was Black, Hispanic, Asian or Other.

I think the OP letter is simply an evasive tactic of claiming middle ground at first while overly re-emphasizing an agenda of, "Oh yeah, well they kill more of each other"...thing.

https://www.theatlantic.com/news/archive/2016/06/stanford-sexual-assault-letters/485837/

If the assailant in either of the cases above were a minority there would mandatory-minimums and many years of jail time.

Systemic racism still exists in our country and the poor killing the poor will continue as long as education and opportunity are never addressed.


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264mag
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Sep-27-17, 
08:18 PM (MST)
20. "RE: White Privilege..."

I read that last year when you posted that,gross and should have done time in prison.

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Sep-27-17, 
08:29 PM (MST)
21. "RE: White Privilege..."

If you're going to talk about race in America the empirical wizard in the whitehouse is going to come into it. how can white privilege not be effected by politics ? get real. stop pretending.


RELH is talking out his azz again. that's not easy to do from a wheelchair I bet.


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Sep-27-17, 
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22. "RE: White Privilege..."

LOL did you even read your own article?

"Former high school football player John R. K. Howard entered a so-called "Alford plea," meaning he maintains his innocence while admitting a judge or jury would likely find him guilty. He was sentenced to probation and community service, and his conviction might be entirely dismissed at a later date."

What part of that statement do you not understand? His conviction could be entirely dismissed at a later date and he is maintaining his innocence.


"The Guardian also notes that elsewhere on the tape, in a section not mentioned in court on Friday but disclosed in a civil case document, the mentally disabled player reiterates that the coat hanger assault happened. "I honestly don't know who did the hanger thing," he tells his coaches. "All I know is that it happened."

So... even the victim admits he doesn't know who put the coat hanger up his ass and you're crying that a white dude didn't get hanged for it? Damn that white privilege!!


"But the most unexpected and hotly contested part of the sentencing hearing on Friday was a May 2016 audio tape of the mentally disabled young man saying his parents pressured him into testifying, for the sake of the $10 million civil suit, and that he lied under oath when he made his allegations."


So... the victim is on tape saying that he lied under oath because his parents wanted the cool $10 million. In reality then, you should be outraged that the black kid got away with perjury but you're not. All you see is that a white kid got off scott free for something he may or may not have done to a black kid. Good job FTW, try reading beyond the headlines next time. The media uses this tactic to sucker dummies into thinking that whites are more privileged.

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Sep-27-17, 
09:16 PM (MST)
23. "RE: White Privilege..."

F#ck you FTW ! DONT POST UP THAT Bull SH#T!,you think living in that state you would be a little smarter, thanks Fork for that info.

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Sep-27-17, 
10:03 PM (MST)
24. "RE: White Privilege..."

I have said it before, FTW is a bent wrist left wing liberal troll that will lie, or slant things to fit his agenda. His word is not worth the paper it is written on.

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Sep-28-17, 
01:36 AM (MST)
25. "RE: White Privilege..."

The below article I pasted is part of what SNOPES had to say about the NFL and rules concerning the playing of the National Anthem.
RELH
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the NFL rulebook; another is the NFL game operations manual. The rulebook is concerned with in-game actions by players and coaches (like scoring, penalties, challenges and so on), whereas the game-operations manual dictates how NFL games should be run in the bigger-picture organizational sense.

“The league’s Game Operations Department uses the manual to govern the conduct of home clubs, to ensure they protect players and provide the conditions for a fair and fan-friendly contest,” reads the NFL’s website. “Clubs face warnings and other penalties for noncompliance.”

The NFL rulebook makes no mention of the national anthem. But the game operations manual does.

Here’s what the game operations manual says regarding the national anthem, according to an NFL spokesperson:

‘The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

‘During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.’

We have not yet been able to independently confirm the existence and wording of this second document (the NFL has not responded to our query), but the proffered wording — which league spokesman Brian McCarthy described as a “policy” rather than a “rule” — states that players must “be” on the sideline for the national anthem, not that they must “stand” on the sideline (the latter is listed only as something players “should” do). The wording also establishes that players “may” (not “shall”) be penalized for not observing the regulation, and indeed the NFL announced that they would not take any disciplinary measures over players’ remaining in the locker room before Week 3 games:

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Sep-28-17, 
08:42 AM (MST)
26. "RE: White Privilege..."

WTF is your point ? do you think these players will be fired? if not then you're pissing in the wind.


The more attention this gets the more the protest will grow. all you're doing is unifying them.

Does anyone else take notice that Trump called the black football player a son of a biatch for dropping to his knee . but he couldn't do the same for the white Nazi's , skin heads and KKK members killing people in their protest.

You want white privilege ? there it is from the president of the united states himself.


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27. "RE: White Privilege..."

"Would you like to bet lots people stop watching football ? then it's a non issue. "

Um... Yes I would as a matter of fact. I put up the wager, are you going to back out of your own bet now Stoney?

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28. "RE: White Privilege..."

When did I commit to a bet on this ? it was a figure of speech. you're new to all of this aren't you.


But I would take the right bet on it. how many is lots ? we're talking millions not dozens. what source will be used to determine that number ?

Let's get this done fast it's already becoming old news .


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29. "RE: White Privilege..."

Dude I am not a dumb F##K like you. I do not expect the NFL to get involved if they can avoid it. It appears that the above rules concerning the National Anthem does exist and the NFL does not want to admit it as they know a good portion of their fans will demand they enforce the rules on the players.
In other words the NFL is chicken Sh!t about making the players tow the line on the rules they excepted when they signed their big contracts to play ball.

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30. "RE: White Privilege..."

> When did I commit to
>a bet on this ?
> it was a figure
>of speech.
>you're new to all of
>this aren't you.
>
>
> But I would take the
>right bet on it.
> how many is lots
>? we're talking millions not
>dozens. what source will
>be used to determine that
>number ?
>
>Let's get this done fast it's
>already becoming old news .
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>

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>Stay Thirsty My Friends


Lol Stoney will want to use the same "figure of speech" argument with Nemont


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31. "RE: White Privilege..."

>Dude I am not a dumb
>F##K like you. I do
>not expect the NFL to
>get involved if they can
>avoid it. It appears that
>the above rules concerning the
>National Anthem does exist and
>the NFL does not want
>to admit it as they
>know a good portion of
>their fans will demand they
>enforce the rules on the
>players.
> In other
>words the NFL is chicken
>Sh!t about making the players
>tow the line on the
>rules they excepted when they
>signed their big contracts to
>play ball.
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> RELH

Since Homer isn't here, it is accepted not excepted


Since this is about white privilege I will give you a homework assignment. Below is The official operations manual of the NFL for the 2017 season. Please state chapter and verse about where it says what players must do during the National Anthem.

http://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/2017-nfl-rulebook

Even your beloved FoxNews knows you are full of it.

http://fox13now.com/2017/09/25/do-nfl-rules-require-players-to-stand-during-the-national-anthem/

Quote:
You may have seen this fake excerpt shared on social media about a NFL rule pertaining to the national anthem:

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32. "RE: White Privilege..."

Nemont re-read my post above and put on your reading comprehension foil cap. I am well aware what the 2017 NFL rulebook has nothing concerning the National Anthem. Read the part about the NFL game procedure manual. Then ask yourself why the NFL did not respond to SNOPES inquiry about the operations manual.

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33. "RE: White Privilege..."

The link is the operations manual, hence the URL starts with the word "operation".

http://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/2017-nfl-rulebook


Your quote is fake news. Read the foxnews link.

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34. "RE: White Privilege..."

Now that is funny. You bash Fox news for being "fake news" and now you tell me to read the Fox news link. Maybe you now will have to admit that Fox news is not all fake news like a lot of other news agencies.

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35. "RE: White Privilege..."

Even the fake news knows this is fake news

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36. "RE: White Privilege..."

I guess the sports section of Time did not get the notice it was fake news. Take note of the date .

RELH
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Does the NFL Require Players to Stand for the National Anthem?


Alex Fitzpatrick

Sep 25, 2017

As President Donald Trump continues to chastise NFL players who kneel in protest during the national anthem before games, some football fans are wondering: Does the NFL league rulebook require players to stand for the anthem? A viral Facebook post referencing section a62 63 of the rulebook claims it does.

Before we verify or debunk that claim, it's important to know that NFL football games are governed by multiple codes of conduct. One is the NFL rulebook; another is the NFL game operations manual. The rulebook is concerned with in-game actions by players and coaches (like scoring, penalties, challenges and so on), whereas the game-operations manual dictates how NFL games should be run in the bigger-picture organizational sense.


"The league’s Game Operations Department uses the manual to govern the conduct of home clubs, to ensure they protect players and provide the conditions for a fair and fan-friendly contest," reads the NFL's website. "Clubs face warnings and other penalties for noncompliance."

The NFL rulebook makes no mention of the national anthem. But the game operations manual does.

Here's what the game operations manual says regarding the national anthem, according to an NFL spokesperson:

The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.

It's important to note the use of the word "may" here. The NFL is not considering punishing fines on players or teams who choose to kneel or stay in the locker room during the national anthem, the spokesperson says.

— Sean Gregory contributed to this report.

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37. "RE: White Privilege..."

Do this find the source of the quoted info.

Also even you understand the difference in meaning between "should" and "shall" as well as "may" and "required". There is no doubt the NFL could require the players to stand. The talking Yam has no power to make them do anything and at some point he should get on with governing but his supporters eat stuff like this up because they are too stupid to just turn off the TV and not watch the NFL.

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38. "RE: White Privilege..."

RELH just STFU and go back to your bingo game you're spinning out.


So californiahorn, you're trying to get out of the bet ? I said YES. but we need to know what many is and where the number will be found .


How about this for a source.

http://dynamic.espn.go.com/nfl/attendance?sort=allTotal


And how about a 10% decline as the proof the orange chit stain hurt the NFL ? if the president can't make at least a 10% difference then he's no president .


Name the wager taco bender.


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39. "RE: White Privilege..."

>RELH just STFU and go back
>to your bingo game you're
>spinning out.
>
>
> So californiahorn, you're trying
>to get out of the
>bet ? I said
>YES. but we need
>to know what many is
>and where the number will
>be found .
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>How about this for a source.
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>http://dynamic.espn.go.com/nfl/attendance?sort=allTotal
>
>
> And how about a 10%
>decline as the proof the
>orange chit stain hurt the
>NFL ?
>if the president can't make
>at least a 10%
>difference then he's no president
>.
>
>
>Name the wager taco bender.
>
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>
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>Stay Thirsty My Friends
does your emplyoees read Monster Muleys ?

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Sep-29-17, 
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40. "RE: White Privilege..."

They can't even read Spanish.

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41. "RE: White Privilege..."

I already did name the wager retard. You have actually already lost the bet since Nielsen ratings have viewership down 11% compared to last year at this time. I don't expect you to concede though because you're not an honest person.

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42. "RE: White Privilege..."

Last year season was a poor one for the NFL, a decline of 11% more this year is substantial.
Dude I do not plan to STFU as someone has to ping ding you and your outright bull$hit.

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43. "RE: White Privilege..."

You're not pulling that bullchit on me. if your orange chit stain had an effect it will show the rest of this season not just a blip.

We should have the season numbers at some time after the super bowl . you in or not hotshot?


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Sep-29-17, 
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44. "RE: White Privilege..."

Nope! That's a foolish bet because if viewership trends continue I expect the NFL to cave and force the players to stand for the national anthem. It's all about the money.

I won't bet you season long because I expect this to get fixed before the end of the season but I will bet you $100 that week 4 numbers are lower than last year's week 4 numbers. You in hotshot?

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45. "RE: White Privilege..."

If players don't want to stand they will not. there is no fix that they will abide and there is no recourse for the league.

I suspect most of it will pass because just like the orange chit stain's attack on them it's a drive by for both sides. most of those players don't give a FF they were just trying to flip Trump off. and now he's moved on to the next distraction.

Man up and bet on orange to last or admit you're only looking for sound bites. it's a football season not a football week dumbazz.

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46. "RE: White Privilege..."

LAST EDITED ON Sep-29-17 AT 06:35 PM (MST)

First and foremost, thank you for your earlier reply which clearly outlined how we both read a story and walk away with polar opposite views. I read every word of that link.

There is an alternative, "Play 60". If the league and the owners wish to give their platform a voice, they have it. Put out a league-sponsored PSA..just imagine putting that beauty together. What could we call it..?

So what is the message? I know Colin's message was in protest to the high increase in police shootings and overall police abuse of minorities. Like it is not bad enough that growing up in some urban ghetto with garbage schools, no companies, no jobs, simply traps an illegal lifestyle cycle which we have today.

The stereotypical crack dealer is not the guy supplying 1.6 million Americans daily with a distribution network the size of Coca-Cola. Think about it? One would need to supply a chit load of Coke, Heroin, you name it. We all know the guys at that level are all....White. A handful of people deal at the very can control importation. These guys are so far removed from the hood it is beyond ridiculous.

All those below them are foot soldiers, it's not called the Happy Market, the Black Market here or abroad has it's justice system.

The scales of justice are uneven.

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47. "RE: White Privilege..."

FTW you are so full of bull$hit it flabbergasts a lot of us. You better do more research on what race supplies the drugs in the low income housing projects. They are black or Hispanic from South American countries. Cartels from Mexico and South American supply most of the hard core drugs.
Maybe the cops should just pull out of the projects and other poor downtrodden communities and watch what happens.
Good example is Chicago. Black Americans make up about 13% of the population in the U.S., but are committing over 33% of the crimes. A good portion of them are packing illegal guns.

With that in mind, should the cops be stopping whites or Asians in a community where blacks are committing most of the crime, or should they be targeting blacks, mostly gang banger drug dealers, in trying to curb the violent crimes including homicides. Chicago has just about stopped the cops from "stop and talk" and "stop and frisk" black Americans, even if the cops recognize them as known gang bangers and dope dealers. What is the result. Chicago took away the "murder capital" title from New York.
Your savior chose to release a lot of those drop dealers and gang bangers back onto the streets prior to leaving office and you can bet a good part of them are back into crime.
FTW you are so left wing slanted that you are one dumb ignorant Adam Henry of the first order.

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48. "RE: White Privilege..."

Actually Chicago is #8 for murders per capita. your red state friends in St Louis , MO take top prize by a fair margin.

not that anyone expected RELH to be accurate.

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49. "RE: White Privilege..."

LAST EDITED ON Sep-29-17 AT 10:24 PM (MST)

That's per capital, how about the total amount of murders in a large city. Dude you are the one giving out slanted information. Here is a paragraph from a recent "Newsweek" article on black homicides and Chicago.
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Chicago is known for having the highest number of homicides in the United States, and it's living up to that reputation by already topping 400 killings for 2017, after four people were killed among 36 shot over the weekend, according to NBC Chicago.
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Here is another article if you care to do better research.
RELH


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ByAaron Bandler
July 13, 2016


President Barack Obama has no problem making disgusting, untrue assertions about cops being racist at a funeral for murdered cops yet does not give major speeches on the epidemic of black-on-black crime. Here are seven statistics you need to know about black-on-black crime that the president will not address.

1. Data shows that 93 percent of black homicide victims are killed by other blacks.

The left's rebuttal is that that 84 percent of white homicide victims are killed by other whites, but The Wall Street Journal's Jason Riley points out that the white crime rate is "much lower than the black rate."

2. According to Riley, "Blacks commit violent crimes at 7 to 10 times the rate that whites do."

Blacks committed 52 percent of homicides between 1980 and 2008, despite composing just 13 percent of the population. Across the same timeframe, whites committed 45 percent of homicides while composing 77% of the population, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics.

Here are some more statistics from the FBI:


In 2013, the FBI has black criminals carrying out 38 per cent of murders, compared to 31.1 per cent for whites. The offender’s race was “unknown” in 29.1 per cent of cases.

What about violent crime more generally? FBI arrest rates are one way into this. Over the last three years of data – 2011 to 2013 – 38.5 per cent of people arrested for murder, manslaughter, rape, robbery, and aggravated assault were black.

3. Black crime is even more prevalent in the country's largest cities and counties.

Heather Mac Donald writes in her book The War on Cops: How the New Attack on Law and Order Makes Everyone Less Safe that in Chicago, IL, blacks committed 76 percent of all homicides, despite composing 35 percent of the city's population. Blacks also accounted for 78 percent of all juvenile arrests. Whites, who compose 28 percent of the city's population, committed 4 percent of its homicides and 3.5 percent of its juvenile arrests. Hispanics, who compose 30 percent of the city's population, committed 19 percent of its homicides and 18 percent of its juvenile arrests. (Another eye-opening fact from Mac Donald's research is that only 26 percent of murder cases were solved in Chicago.)

Blacks are 10 percent of the population in Los Angeles, CA, but commit 42 percent of its robberies and 34 percent of its felonies. Whites make up 29 percent of the city's population, and commit 5 percent of its robberies and 13 percent of its felonies.

In New York City, blacks committed "75 percent of all shootings, 70 percent of all robberies, and 66 percent of all violent crime," despite only composing 23 percent of the population, said Mac Donald in a Hillsdale speech. Additionally, 2009 Bureau of Justice Statistics numbers show that in 2009, "blacks were charged with 62 percent of robberies, 57 percent of murders and 45 percent of assaults in the 75 biggest counties in the country, despite only comprising roughly 15 percent of the population in these counties."

4. There were almost 6,000 blacks killed by other blacks in 2015.

By contrast, only 258 blacks were killed by police gunfire that year.

5. The percentage of blacks arrested for crimes is consistent with police reports.

This is according to the National Crime Victimization Survey, as well as this 1985 study:


“Even allowing for the existence of discrimination in the criminal justice system, the higher rates of crime among black Americans cannot be denied,” wrote James Q. Wilson and Richard Herrnstein in their classic 1985 study, “Crime and Human Nature.” “Every study of crime using official data shows blacks to be overrepresented among persons arrested, convicted, and imprisoned for street crimes.” This was true decades before the authors put it to paper, and it remains the case decades later.

“The overrepresentation of blacks among arrested persons persists throughout the criminal justice system,” wrote Wilson and Herrnstein. “Though prosecutors and judges may well make discriminatory judgments, such decisions do not account for more than a small fraction of the overrepresentation of blacks in prison.”

This data disproves the notion that racism is what drives higher rates of arrests among the blacks than among whites or broader America.

6. According to Riley, "Black crime rates were lower in the 1940s and 1950s, when black poverty was higher" and "racial discrimination was rampant and legal."

If it's not racism and poverty that are blame for the high black crime rate, then what is?

7. According to Mac Donald, "A straight line can be drawn between family breakdown and youth violence."

As economist Thomas Sowell points out, before the 1960s "most black children were raised in two-parent families." In 2013, over 72 percent of blacks were born out of wedlock. In Cook County –which Chicago belongs to – 79 percent of blacks were born to single mothers in 2003, while only 15 percent of whites were born to single mothers.

"Until that gap closes, the crime gap won't close, either," writes Mac Donald.

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11:21 PM (MST)
50. "RE: White Privilege..."

So let's take a look at RELH's reply..

"You better do more research on what race supplies the drugs in the low income housing projects. They are black or Hispanic from South American countries."

So you agree with a few things starting with the fact there is a black market.

How is Justice handled in the Black Market RELH? But let's go on..

"Good example is Chicago. Black Americans make up about 13% of the population in the U.S., but are committing over 33% of the crimes. A good portion of them are packing illegal guns."

When you speak of Chicago you are speaking indirectly about Cook County which happens to have the highest demographic of Black Americans in the nation at 24%, almost twice the national average.

"They are packing illegal guns, a lot of them."

"Cartels from Mexico and South American supply most of the hard core drugs."

No doubt about it, like truckloads of them. Again, you cannot bring in container ships of guns, ammo, or drugs unless somebody on the inside of the country is connected. Those guys are not minorities.

You accept the fact there are "Cartels" which we know have no problem with mass killing. Why? Because that's how it works in the black market world, again we agree. We agree outside countries are Suppliers, but who are the guys at the top in the U.S. that are the Buyers and their facilitators to move large shipments on a regular basis?

"Chicago has just about stopped the cops from "stop and talk" and "stop and frisk" black Americans, even if the cops recognize them as known gang bangers and dope dealers. What is the result. Chicago took away the "murder capital" title from New York."

Okay, murder capital? What are you talking about it? This should be easy please find me a most dangerous cities list.

Whatever system we have RELH obviously is not working is it? BTW, Cook County/East Chicago is like 26-28th on lists I have seen. When was New York the murder capital of the nation?

First the Fake Anthem story and now this, twice in a week, really RELH?

The one thread that ties the bulk of these killings in the top 30 most dangerous cities together are the gang related killings.

Thank you for your contribution and agreeing with my point. Blacks do make up 13% of the country what does that have to do with East Chicago, Cook County?

Why do insist on spreading fake news?


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51. "RE: White Privilege..."

LAST EDITED ON Sep-30-17 AT 00:59 AM (MST)

Boy you take the cake for being a bald face liberal liar. Most of those stats came from the F.B.I when your hero was in office. Did he allow the stats to be falsely reported?
It is liberals like you that has allowed crime to leap forward in most major cities. You idiots turn a blind eye as to the cause and what needs to be done to curb the violent crime.
There is a big difference when you look at the entire Cook County as compared to the inner city limits of Chicago.

RELH
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Officially the FBI states the Chicago metro area murder rate is about 7 per 100,000 residents, but that includes much more than just the city itself.

Within the city limits, that rate climbs to around 18–about four times the national average rate of around 4.7 murders per 100,000 people.

Obviously, that is too many murders. In recent years, New York City and Los Angeles have fewer murders than Chicago.

Maybe you do not think of that as a "murder capital" but many do. As for the list of major cities with the highest murder rate, you would not want to see those stats as the vast majority are in cities controlled by liberal Democrats like you. blind in one eye and can not see out of the other one.

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52. "RE: White Privilege..."

Stop yapping and start learning old timer.


Chicago isn't that bad per capita, and per capita is all that maters dumbazz. if half the people in my town were murdered Chicago would still look more dangerous to idiots like yo because you're too dumb to factor population.

I think I'd avoid Gary, Indiana.


The more you know.


http://thecaliforniapost.com/united-states-murder-map/


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