To the NFL players

eelgrass

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You graduated high school in 2011. Your teenage years were a struggle. You grew up on the wrong side of the tracks. Your mother was the leader of the family and worked tirelessly to keep a roof over your head and food on your plate. Academics were a struggle for you and your grades were mediocre at best. The only thing that made you stand out is you weighed 225 lbs and could run 40 yards in 4.2 seconds while carrying a football.

Your best friend was just like you, except he didn't play football. Instead of going to football practice after school, he went to work at McDonalds for minimum wage. You were recruited by all the big colleges and spent every weekend of your senior year making visits to universities where coaches and boosters tried to convince you their school was best. They laid out the red carpet for you.

Your best friend worked double shifts at Mickey D?s. College was not an option for him. On the day you signed with Big State University, your best friend signed paperwork with his Army recruiter. You went to summer workout camps. He went to basic training.

You spent the next four years living a private home, in the athletic dorm and eating your fill, at the training table. You spent your Saturdays on the football field, cheered on by adoring fans. Tutors attended to your every academic need. You attended class when you felt like it. Sure, you worked hard. You lifted weights, ran sprints, studied plays, and soon became one of the top football players in the country.

Your best friend was assigned to the 101st Airborne Division. While you were in college, he deployed to Iraq once and Afghanistan twice. He became a Sergeant and led a squad of 19 year old soldiers who grew up just like he did. He shed his blood in Afghanistan and watched young American's give their lives, limbs, and innocence for the USA.

You went to the NFL combine and scored off the charts. You hired an agent and waited for draft day. You were drafted in the first round and your agent immediately went to work, ensuring that you received the most money possible.

You signed for $16 million although you had never played a single down of professional football. Your best friend re-enlisted in the Army for four more years. As a combat tested sergeant, he will be paid $32,000 per year.

You will drive a Ferrari on the streets of South Beach. He will ride in the back of a Blackhawk helicopter with 10 other combat loaded soldiers. You will sleep at the Ritz. Your friend will dig a hole in the ground and try to sleep. You will ?make it rain? in the club. He will pray for rain as the temperature reaches 120+ degrees.

On Sunday, you will run into a stadium as tens of thousands of fans cheer and yell your name. For your best friend, there is little difference between Sunday and any other day of the week. There are no adoring fans. There are only people trying to kill him and his soldiers. Every now and then, he and his soldiers leave the front lines and ?go to the rear? to rest. He might be lucky enough to catch an NFL game on TV.

When the National Anthem plays and you take a knee, he will jump to his feet and salute the television. While you protest the unfairness of life in the United States, he will give thanks to God that he has the honor of defending his great country.

To the players of the NFL: We are the people who buy your tickets, watch you on TV, and wear your jerseys. We anxiously wait for Sundays so we can cheer for you and marvel at your athleticism.

Although we love to watch you play, we care little about your opinions until you offend us. You have the absolute right to express yourselves, but we have the absolute right to boycott you.

We have tolerated your drug use and DUIs, your domestic violence, and your vulgar displays of wealth. We should be ashamed for putting our admiration of your physical skills before what is morally right. But now you have gone too far.

You have insulted our flag, our country, our soldiers, our police officers, and our veterans. You are living the American dream, yet you disparage our great country. I am done with NFL football and encourage all like minded Americans to boycott the NFL as well.

National boycott of the NFL is for Sunday November 12th, Veterans Day Weekend. Boycott all football telecast, all fans, all ticket holders, stay away from attending any games, let them play to empty stadiums.

Honor our military, some of whom come home, with the American Flag draped over their coffin. They gave their Tomorrows, for our Todays.
 
Couldn't have said it any better. I have always loved watching football. I hate to paint all the players with the same brush. However, to me its a lot bigger. Its not just the entitled, brain dead, players. It goes all the way up through the organization and team owners for allowing this kind of behavior. I haven't watched a game all year, and do not plan to.
 
If the liar in chief cared as much about American soldiers as he does black football players he would have been tweeting about the deaths of 4 green berets in Niger .rather than 4 football players peacefully protesting. took him 2 weeks to acknowledge them. 2 seconds to slam the players.


which is more important ? is this what Trump bunnies care most about ?





Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-17-17 AT 10:25AM (MST)[p]Great post eel I have lost so much interest in the sport. I was a die-hard greenbay packers fan. And I just so happen to think it's a coincidence that Aaron Rogers broke his coller bone last week. I've never laughed so hard in my life. He has acted like a brat kneeled. Demanded Colin Kapernick be signed and so on. And then after when he was being carted off the field on a legal hit the guy who hits him comes up to see if he's ok. And he tells him F###K You. I have not been watching the games this year. And I'm not really missing it. It's been great to step away from this league of thugs and babies. Well at least this year if a QB calls time out and says he couldn't hear the play call it's a lie because the seats are way to empty to not hear. I'd be willing to bet Roger Goodell ends up jobless after allowing this to go on. I hope the NFL loses money all year, our Vets and Police officers do not deserve to be mistreated by a made up narrative by pro athletes.


"We don't have a gun problem we have prescription drug problem."
 
you are the only one that mentioned race and the president. Nobody else did. Wasn't the intent of this topic.
The topic was players that are supposed to be role models disrespecting the flag, thus the very men that die defending what it stands for.
Seems to me that all presidents in recent history are figure heads, none of which accomplished much of anything. Don't really follow politics closely either, so I'm sure im ignorant. In the end it boils down to what the people stand for and believe.
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-17-17 AT 10:48AM (MST)[p]Why don't you fakers just turn the TV off? Don't buy anything with an NFL logo? Quit making the point for the players by ignoring their protests?

How exactly is a football player taking a knee harming a single veteran or police officer? I am pretty well connected with a multitude of veterans and a life member of the VFW, on the board of our regional veterans Memorial and I can't find a single one of the who was mistreated by the NFL. While I can't find any who would disrespect the flag, almost to a person they defend the right to free speech.

It is a phony, concocted, stupid issue designed to appeal to Trump's fake conservative base. A red herring design to fool the same people who voted for the talking yam, the dim witted and slow.

The Federal government, including the President, is limited by the Constitution from infringing on these players rights, it is a document limiting federal abuse and overreach. Their employer could insist they stand but you can't make people be patriotic and if forced it is a phony patriotism.....oh wait now I see the connection: phony conservatives also like phony patriotism. It makes sense now.

People who claim to wrap themselves in the flag and the Constitution should be outraged by Trump's actions in regards to trying to use his position as president to stop any protest or free speech movement.

So why not just ignore the protests and let the NFL know by voting with you wallet? Way easier to fake it?

Nemont
 
Mixed in with all the BS, you do make a good point. If you don't agree with it, don't participate. I agree.
However, the tangent you took this on, was nowhere near my take, nor the original post. He is asking that people that share the same opinion, join the boycott and actually do what you suggested.
No, them taking a knee doesn't hurt anyone. Some of us are just disgusted with people using free speech in a negative way, all the while forgetting why they have free speech and the opportunities they currently enjoy.
Not everything is a political ploy, though some higher ups choose them to be.
This case, in my humble opinion is simply a lack of respect; involving brats using their status as a BS political movement. The reason I have an issue with it is society today is filled with certain types of people that have continually normalized this type of disrespect. It shouldn't be normal.
 
There is no constitutional right to free speech at work. If the owner says it is OK then go for it. If he says it isn't then stand up or go away. If you own a business do you allow your employees to do things that harm the business? No you don't.
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-17-17 AT 11:21AM (MST)[p]>No, them taking a knee doesn't
>hurt anyone. Some of
>us are just disgusted with
>people using free speech in
>a negative way, all the
>while forgetting why they have
>free speech and the opportunities
>they currently enjoy


oh I see you are all for free speech as long as you agree with it but you get to decide whether it is negative or not. Doesn't sound like you believe in free speech much.

WTF is "normal", we are a nation of misfits, founded by people who couldn't and wouldn't conform to the normal of their time.

How do you force a person to respect anything, whether it is a person or an object like our flag? I respect the office of President of the United States, I have zero respect for the current occupant of that office.

While I would never do anything to disrespect our flag, of all the protests that have happened over our flag, from burning it to walking on it, taking a knee (the same position christian claim is humbling yourself before God) seems pretty mild and almost like a nonissue.

Nemont
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-17-17 AT 11:24AM (MST)[p]>There is no constitutional right to
>free speech at work. If
>the owner says it is
>OK then go for it.
>If he says it isn't
>then stand up or go
>away. If you own a
>business do you allow your
>employees to do things that
>harm the business? No you
>don't.


It is just like you didn't bother to read what was posted.

Quote from my post:
>The Federal government, including the President,
>is limited by the Constitution
>from infringing on these players
>rights, it is a
>document limiting federal abuse and
>overreach. Their employer
>could insist they stand
but
>you can't make people be
>patriotic and if forced it
>is a phony patriotism.....oh wait
>now I see the connection:
> phony conservatives also like
>phony patriotism. It makes sense
>now.

What is missing is that you do in fact have a right to free speech even in the work place, you just don't have a freedom from consequences. That is the part the clown car driver and the fakers don't understand.

Nemont
 
Great point. That stems back to my first post, in the fact it is bigger than the players... the owners and the organization letting that behavior continue.

I didn't know that honestly. My whole basis is common sense and respect. Which those brats have neither. Society is normalizing some disgusting things in recent years. It doesn't effect me, but younger generations that are brought up with thinking some of this left wing behavior is normal.... that's what people need to be thinking about when they act out.
 
Free speech is free speech. It is common sense to pay your respects to the national anthem. And your Christ reference carries no weight. The players have been vocal as to why they are kneeling. If they don't like Trump, fine. I don't care for him either. But I just don't see the need to protest Trump involving a traditional American way of showing respect to the country.

Second question, WTF is normal. Yeah we are a nation of diversity. As much as I hate it, progression is a programmed natural law. But at the same time, it is way out of hand now. Entitlement and disrespect is not in a good place now. In my opinion.

How do you force someone to respect anything? You can't. But don't allow that behavior on the air. A lot of younger, easily influenced kids are watching that. The organization and owners should put a curb to that... they are as much to blame. If you think its OK to use powerful people that are a lot of kids role models to breed hatred for the country, military, and police force... I disagree with you.
 
Geez how can I go on if you disagree with me? That's right, I don't care.

How about this, the parents of the young children influenced by players actions, turn off the TV or explain what the flag means or teach their children some respect. It is not the responsibility of football players to be role models nor should society put them on a pedestal to be role models.

Define disrespect. Respect is earned not demanded on any single issue. You have an opinion, great. You know what they say about opinions.

Spending a single minute giving two Shyts about what some clown does before a football game is giving the guys taking a knee exactly what they want. It is a phony issue being pushed by the talking Yam to deflect from the shyt show in the White House and you are buying hook, line an sinker.

The NFL is just a big game of "let's pretend": Let's pretend that it is some how important that grown men move a football across an arbitrary line. Why do you even care about that? Turn the TV off and take a kid hunting or fishing and you will have done more than any player kneeling.

Nemont
 
I think just about everyone has some sort of grievance or a complaint about some social injustice, but unless you hate the US in general, the playing of the National Anthem is not the place to protest. It should be a time of unity for America.

And if you make the decision to protest during the National Anthem, at what point do you decide the issue is resolved and you can stand back up again?

Does this mean that if I stand when the Anthem is played, I'm a racist? Nobody should ever stand for the Anthem until every problem is solved?

WTF does Trump have to do with it?

In 2012 the NFL had an issue with Tim Tebow kneeling for each game to pray. They also had an issue with Tebow wearing John 3:16 on his eye blackout tape to avoid glare and made him remove it. In 2013 the NFL fined Brandon Marshall for wearing green cleats to raise awareness for people with mental health disorders. In 2014 Robert Griffin III (RG3) entered a post-game press conference wearing a shirt with "Know Jesus, Know Peace" but was forced to turn it inside out by an NFL uniform inspector before speaking at the podium. In 2015 De Angelo Williams was fined for wearing "Find the Cure" eye black for breast cancer awareness. In 2015 William Gay was fined for wearing purple cleats to raise awareness for domestic violence. (not that the NFL has a domestic violence problem...) In 2016 the NFL prevented the Dallas Cowboys from wearing a decal on their helmet in honor of 5 Dallas Police officers killed in the line of duty. In 2016 the NFL threatened to fine players who wanted to wear cleats to commemorate the 15th anniversary of 9/11. The NFL suddenly supports free speech and expression ?
 
Although I agree with your statement on paying no attention to a bunch of spoiled brats playing a game, I'm not sure why such an aggressive response to a guy that made some very well written valid points?

Congratulations nemont, you have become a bigger prick than 440! Hating one person to the point of being a miserable prick is unhealthy but good luck with that.
 
That was my point I was trying to make. I can't write as well as you. And yes the anthem is a symbol. Progressives keep moving that line, where does it end?

WTF does Trump have to do with it?

a certain couple of people here are like Ray Finkle from Ace Ventura. Obsessed with Trump.
 
>Although I agree with your statement
>on paying no attention to
>a bunch of spoiled brats
>playing a game, I'm not
>sure why such an aggressive
>response to a guy that
>made some very well written
>valid points?
>
> Congratulations nemont, you have become
>a bigger prick than 440!
> Hating one person to
>the point of being a
>miserable prick is unhealthy but
>good luck with that.

Well you have proven to be a bigger douche than Stoney.

Where exactly did I say I hated anybody, moron? I have a great life, full of adventures, travel, family and the outdoors. So what you think is equal to a warm bucket of spit.

Nemont
 
Trump is the gang leader for the dim witted who keep worrying about who is taking a knee. Which has a bigger influence in life. 210 NFL players taking a knee or 3.5 million teachers across America who can decide whether to lead their classes in the pledge every day? have you heard anyone worried about that issue lately? Why is that?

It is a fake issue designed to get the attention of people who want to claim to be superior because they stand up for the flag. Trump is manipulating you to believe that somehow you are more American by standing up, you aren't. You aren't better or worse than the guys taking a knee, period. It is used to divide us and you buy it, whole hog.

Nemont
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-17-17 AT 01:03PM (MST)[p] >WTF does Trump have to do
>with it?
>
>In 2012 the NFL had an
>issue with Tim Tebow kneeling
>for each game to pray.
>They also had an issue
>with Tebow wearing John 3:16
>on his eye blackout tape
>to avoid glare and made
>him remove it. In 2013
>the NFL fined Brandon Marshall
>for wearing green cleats to
>raise awareness for people with
>mental health disorders. In 2014
>Robert Griffin III (RG3) entered
>a post-game press conference wearing
>a shirt with "Know Jesus,
>Know Peace" but was forced
>to turn it inside out
>by an NFL uniform inspector
>before speaking at the podium.
>In 2015 De Angelo Williams
>was fined for wearing "Find
>the Cure" eye black for
>breast cancer awareness. In 2015
>William Gay was fined for
>wearing purple cleats to raise
>awareness for domestic violence. (not
>that the NFL has a
>domestic violence problem...) In 2016
>the NFL prevented the Dallas
>Cowboys from wearing a decal
>on their helmet in honor
>of 5 Dallas Police officers
>killed in the line of
>duty. In 2016 the NFL
>threatened to fine players who
>wanted to wear cleats to
>commemorate the 15th anniversary of
>9/11. The NFL suddenly supports
>free speech and expression ?


You said the NFL can make their players do what ever they want but when they did that in the past you say they should have let them practice free speech, which is it?

The NFL is a brand if they choose to allow their players to kneel then turn off the TV, if they choose to not put stickers on their helmets and you think they should, then turn off the TV. Vote with your wallet, not with the orange glow clouding your judgement.

Nemont
 
Yeah, people are worried about that. The pledge...
I among many others moved our kids to a district that does the pledge, and that opted out of core cur.

They aren't worried about it on this thread, because the topic was the anthem and the NFL.

Your right, I'm not better or worse. And Trump isn't manipulating me at all. I'm not a trump guy, in fact I'm not a today's government guy period. Your the only one on this thread that brings trump into it over, and over.
 
So if Trump hadn't waded into the issue of the NFL players kneeling you would be on a hunting website anyway whining about 12 players out of 1,696 NFL players taking a knee? The only reason it is an issue is because the talking Yam decided he needed to try and squelch free speech in order to appeal to his base.

You weren't on here when it was just 12 players doing it, it wasn't until the human tanning bed made it and issue and it became 232 players taking a knee. Had it just been ignored it would be over but no.

The OP makes the point for me. Nobody cared when it was "just" DUI, family and partner abuse, drugs, 12 players kneeling; you kept watching during those times. Now that Trumpteers think that if you don't stand you aren't American enough for them. It is a bogus issue.

If you don't like, don't watch it all, it shouldn't take an organized protest to get people to quit watching if the truly offended would simply turn off the TV and go outside. Maybe the sheeple just need to be told what offends them and how to go about being offended.

Nemont
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-17-17 AT 02:01PM (MST)[p]Hey nemont start a youtube channel and video yourself at work and use it for a political platform and do it in front of your clients. And lets track your sales for a year from the time you start using your workplace as a platform. Go for it and tell everyone online in your videos how much you hate our president and that racism is thriving and cops are killers and you'll kneel for the anthem. I'll bet your sales plummet and you end up like Colin Kapernick jobless. I'll bet you $100 dollars you fail if you try that at work. If they have an issue find a platform outside of work to sort out the problem. They have plenty of money to improve their communities. But they won't cause they don't give a crap about anyone but themselves. How come no-body in the NFL is talking about tax reform in the NFL wouldn't that help the people in poverty and that are so called oppressed. Oh that's right the NFL and it's players don't give a sh!t because they rake in millions on the backs of those people. And they get plenty of tax breaks. Oh yeah not to mention the poor citizens of detriot were forced to pay for that beautiful Ford Stadium. Against their own will while there govt. allowed their schools and communities to be piles of Sh!t. Hey but as long as we have a nice stadium we can get huge tax breaks on and our millionaire brats have a nice place to play that's ok. Screw the rest of the city.

"We don't have a gun problem we have prescription drug problem."
 
NeMont, you hate Trump. I get that. Colin Kapernick took a knee before Trump was even a thought.

I quit the NFL the second Sunday Colin took a knee, so don't accuse ME of being a orange follower on this issue.

You really need anger management counseling when it comes to Trump.
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- No, I wouldn't have been. Because I'm new here and this is the first I've seen this topic.
- No I wasn't, I'm new here.
- I don't watch it all.

So, with all due respect, you seem to skirt around points made, and just cop out with Trump this, Trump that.... Your responses carry facts, however none of which apply to the discussion.

Having said that, since its OK with you to go 100% off topic on this forum....I'll do the same What do you stand for? What are your beliefs? I'm not going to judge you on what you write. I'm genuinely curious. I've only read on this a couple days, but I've seen you shout "fake conservative" many times. Do you fall more on the liberal side or conservative?

All I know so far is you don't like Trump. If you don't like Trump, who did you support?

Sorry all if I broke forum rules going off topic.... Its my first go at writing on an internet forum. I have to admit it does break the day up...
 
Hey nemont start a youtube channel
>and video yourself at work
>and use it for a
>political platform and do it
>in front of your clients.
>And lets track your sales
>for a year from the
>time you start using your
>workplace as a platform. Go
>for it and tell everyone
>online in your videos how
>much you hate our president
>and that racism is thriving
>and cops are killers and
>you'll kneel for the anthem.

The beauty of owning the business and making the payroll checks is that I don't have to answer to tweedle dumbs like you.


> If they have an
>issue find a platform outside
>of work to sort out
>the problem. They have plenty
>of money to improve their
>communities. But they won't cause
>they don't give a crap
>about anyone but themselves. How
>come no-body in the NFL
>is talking about tax reform
>in the NFL wouldn't that
>help the people in poverty
>and that are so called
>oppressed. Oh that's right the
>NFL and it's players don't
>give a sh!t because they
>rake in millions on the
>backs of those people. And
>they get plenty of tax
>breaks. Oh yeah not to
>mention the poor citizens of
>detriot were forced to pay
>for that beautiful Ford Stadium.
>Against their own will while
>there govt. allowed their schools
>and communities to be piles
>of Sh!t. Hey but as
>long as we have a
>nice stadium we can get
>huge tax breaks on and
>our millionaire brats have a
>nice place to play that's
>ok. Screw the rest of
>the city.

That is a complete and total different argument. Tax breaks don't entitle the government to have a say in any free speech issue. The Constitution is a limiting document, it specifically limits government from "abridging freedom of speech". Did you take government in High School? If so you should sue your school district for malpractice.

1st Amendment
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


Care to show me in there where it says anything about tax policy buying the ability of the government to force patriotism?


Nemont
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-17-17 AT 03:51PM (MST)[p]>- No, I wouldn't have been.
> Because I'm new here
>and this is the first
>I've seen this topic.
>- No I wasn't, I'm new
>here.
>- I don't watch it all.
>
>
>So, with all due respect, you
>seem to skirt around points
>made, and just cop out
>with Trump this, Trump that....
>Your responses carry facts, however
>none of which apply to
>the discussion.

Total BS. You cannot force somebody to be patriotic, period. If you don't watch the NFL then why care what they do? The topic is the NFL players, if people are so upset about it they should just quit watching, it is that simple. Protest all you want it is a free country but acknowledging the players protest with a counter protest just keeps their little temper tantrum in the public eye.


>Having said that, since its OK
>with you to go 100%
>off topic on this forum....I'll
>do the same What do
>you stand for? What
>are your beliefs? I'm
>not going to judge you
>on what you write.
>I'm genuinely curious. I've
>only read on this a
>couple days, but I've seen
>you shout "fake conservative" many
>times. Do you fall
>more on the liberal side
>or conservative?

I am conservative.

>
>All I know so far is
>you don't like Trump.
>If you don't like Trump,
>who did you support?

I support good, well reasoned policy whether it is foreign policys, domestic policy, monetary policy or legislative policy. I am over supporting any party, the two we have are worthless.


>Sorry all if I broke forum
>rules going off topic....
>Its my first go at
>writing on an internet forum.
> I have to admit
>it does break the day
>up...

There are few rules to this forum.

Protesting the taking of a knee is manufactured in order to distract from the crap that is actually happening.

I stand for the anthem with my hand over my heart, my kids were taught to respect the flag, the anthem and their elders. If the NFL owners want to bench players for not standing, I am good with that, their right. If people want to protest the NFL players, great have at it. Just don't use the power of government to demand any American stand in order to stop free speech.

Nemont
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-17-17 AT 05:43PM (MST)[p]Yeah tell that same phrase to your customer base no matter what you work for them even if you do the payroll. Just like the NFL when the well runs dry those players won't be getting paid. So I dare you say what you want in front of your clients. And call them tweedle dumbs. Nemont did you ever hear of a player named terrell owens he thought he was irreplaceable once to. He's no longer in the league. What about Allen Iverson he thought everyone needed to cater to him and events started on his time he was often 3 hours late for photoshoots and other endorsement events. He's no longer in the NBA. Turns out everyone is replaceable and you don't even make a fraction of what either of those athletes made every year. So go ahead big shot tell your clients how you feel everyday about the country. After all they are tweedle dums right.


"We don't have a gun problem we have prescription drug problem."
 
Eel and NeMont are both correct.

Eel is correct in that if he sees kneeling as unpatriotic he can choose not to watch that's his right.

NeMont is also correct you fake conservatives always want less government control with an issue you agree with. When it goes against what you believe in let's throw the 1st amendment away. You guys are as big a threat to the republic as The Stain is.

Tines
Iverson was 5'10". And played in the NBA for 14 years. Are you saying it took 14 years for his antics to cost him a job. His 14 year career is the longest career for an under 6' guard in modern basketball?

Terrell Owens played 14 years in the NFL including playing for the conservatives hero owner Jerry Jones of the Cowboys who hied him with a huge contract at the time around 25 million with a 5 to 10 million signing bonus. Why did Jones do this? tTo win at all costs he'd already had his personality issues. I personally hold disdain for both athletes but your effort to make a point was very Trumplike (synonym for wrong.)
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-17-17 AT 07:11PM (MST)[p]
>
>Yeah tell that same phrase to
>your customer base no matter
>what you work for them
>even if you do the
>payroll. Just like the NFL
>when the well runs dry
>those players won't be getting
>paid. So I dare you
>say what you want in
>front of your clients. And
>call them tweedle dumbs. Nemont
>did you ever hear of
>a player named terrell owens
>he thought he was irreplaceable
>once to. He's no longer
>in the league. What about
>Allen Iverson he thought everyone
>needed to cater to him
>and events started on his
>time he was often 3
>hours late for photoshoots and
>other endorsement events. He's no
>longer in the NBA. Turns
>out everyone is replaceable and
>you don't even make a
>fraction of what either of
>those athletes made every year.
>So go ahead big shot
>tell your clients how you
>feel everyday about the country.
>After all they are tweedle
>dums right.
>
>
> "We don't have a gun
>problem we have prescription drug
>problem."

I know you are still a pup and have been only able to vote for president three times but you can GFYS with questioning my loyalty to the country.

My clients know how I feel. I am the guy who helped to build a world class regional memorial to all veterans. I am a life member of the VFW and have served as honor guard at veterans funerals.

We have been at war since 2001 and yet you haven't thought it important to serve your time yet your little punk @$$ thinks you can questions my loyalty. Of the two of us only one ever took an oath to defend the country. So chickenhawk if you are such an super patriot why not join in fighting your generations war or is that you are above serving? 3 million men and women the same age as you have to go down range to the sand box.

Nemont
 
I was referring to your hatred and infatuation with trump. For all that you claim to be, all I see is an angry old prick that likes to talk down to people and have a real high opinion of yourself. I got better things to do than argue with a bitter old cocksucker like you.
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-17-17 AT 09:30PM (MST)[p]So our soldiers fight and die to protect our sacred "Constitutional Rights" which ensure the virtues of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I don't know about you fellas by I don't really like forced patriotism. Pretty sure it is not what our founding fathers had in mind. If you are proud of your country, if you believe the words of the Pledge of Allegiance then you should want to stand up proudly and place an endearing hand over your heart during the anthem.

If you feel that a few of those words are untrue why would you stand in allegiance? Ya know that whole "With life, liberty and justice for all, those last 3 words are important.

If you feel your country let you down and you hang your flag upside down should you be punished?

Yet it appears if one actually exercises those rights then that should be singled out and vilified. Funny part is many of those players are taking a knee in support of Kaepernick's 1st Amendment Rights along with supporting his message.

Apparently America doesn't want to acknowledge it has a problem with bad cops. Guess it is easier to blame those supporting the victims and change, than it is to really talk about the issue.

Kaepernick taking a knee has exploded into many things which have all drowned out his action as to why he chose taking a knee over standing hand over heart during the anthem. I'm guessing NFL Players have spent more time standing for the National Anthem than most.

Is he crazy, is his point valid, was he violating any rules, was he causing harm to other physically, was he spouting threatening and verbally charged rhetoric?

Let's talk about why they are taking a knee.
 
>LAST EDITED ON Oct-17-17
>AT 09:30?PM (MST)

>
>So our soldiers fight and die
>to protect our sacred "Constitutional
>Rights" which ensure the virtues
>of life, liberty, and the
>pursuit of happiness. I don't
>know about you fellas by
>I don't really like forced
>patriotism. Pretty sure it is
>not what our founding fathers
>had in mind. If you
>are proud of your country,
>if you believe the words
>of the Pledge of Allegiance
>then you should want to
>stand up proudly and place
>an endearing hand over your
>heart during the anthem.
>
>If you feel that a few
>of those words are untrue
>why would you stand in
>allegiance? Ya know that whole
>"With life, liberty and justice
>for all, those last 3
>words are important.
>
>If you feel your country let
>you down and you hang
>your flag upside down should
>you be punished?
>
>Yet it appears if one actually
>exercises those rights then that
>should be singled out and
>vilified. Funny part is many
>of those players are taking
>a knee in support of
>Kaepernick's 1st Amendment Rights along
>with supporting his message.
>
>Apparently America doesn't want to acknowledge
>it has a problem with
>bad cops. Guess it is
>easier to blame those supporting
>the victims and change, than
>it is to really talk
>about the issue.
>
>Kaepernick taking a knee has exploded
>into many things which have
>all drowned out his action
>as to why he chose
>taking a knee over standing
>hand over heart during the
>anthem. I'm guessing NFL Players
>have spent more time standing
>for the National Anthem than
>most.
>
>Is he crazy, is his point
>valid, was he violating any
>rules, was he causing harm
>to other physically, was he
>spouting threatening and verbally charged
>rhetoric?
>
>Let's talk about why they are
>taking a knee.
Because they have girlfriend's like Kapernick had,filling there heads with mush.
 
Hey Cornhole watch allen iversons documentry and you'll learn about all the problems he caused and why teams couldn't wait to get rid of him. TO same thing maybe you should read up on him a little more you retard don't ever question me with sports you idiot I'll stump you everytime. Hey Nemont show me where I questioned your loyalty to this country you big fat #####. Thanks for your service I told you to put your big boy pants on and protest like one of these idiots in the nfl in front of your clients and we'll watch you crumble to.

"We don't have a gun problem we have prescription drug problem."
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-18-17 AT 07:33AM (MST)[p]Tines,
It is too bad your parents were brother and sister. They raised a 30 year old chicken hawk who never served anything other than himself. Below is your quote, now you tell me how you know anything about how I feel about my country? I said you are tweedle dumb, my clients are fine with me and know my feelings for the turd in the Oval Office.

Now you can pretend to be all that and a bag of chips but I know guys your same age who are successful, great Americans and have a couple of tours of duty under their belts because after America was attacked they felt the call to serve instead of the call to sell golf equipment.

>So go ahead big shot
>tell your clients how you
>feel everyday about the country.

So when you wash your vagina this morning maybe you should think of the men and women who are going to work in the military without a shower or hot meal.

I don't watch the NBA and quit the NFL so I give two sh!ts about Owens or Iverson. They are as meaningless to this discussion as you are.

Nemont
 
Whines you are young ignorant and loud that is a bad combination.

You however did a very good job of making my point they had a personality disorder that make them caustic in the locker room yet inspite of this they were in both leagues for 14 years when the average time in the NFL is around 3 years and 6 or so in the NBA.
 
>LAST EDITED ON Oct-17-17
>AT 09:30?PM (MST)

>
>So our soldiers fight and die
>to protect our sacred "Constitutional
>Rights" which ensure the virtues
>of life, liberty, and the
>pursuit of happiness. I don't
>know about you fellas by
>I don't really like forced
>patriotism. Pretty sure it is
>not what our founding fathers
>had in mind. If you
>are proud of your country,
>if you believe the words
>of the Pledge of Allegiance
>then you should want to
>stand up proudly and place
>an endearing hand over your
>heart during the anthem.
>
>If you feel that a few
>of those words are untrue
>why would you stand in
>allegiance? Ya know that whole
>"With life, liberty and justice
>for all, those last 3
>words are important.
>
>If you feel your country let
>you down and you hang
>your flag upside down should
>you be punished?
>
>Yet it appears if one actually
>exercises those rights then that
>should be singled out and
>vilified. Funny part is many
>of those players are taking
>a knee in support of
>Kaepernick's 1st Amendment Rights along
>with supporting his message.
>
>Apparently America doesn't want to acknowledge
>it has a problem with
>bad cops. Guess it is
>easier to blame those supporting
>the victims and change, than
>it is to really talk
>about the issue.
>
>Kaepernick taking a knee has exploded
>into many things which have
>all drowned out his action
>as to why he chose
>taking a knee over standing
>hand over heart during the
>anthem. I'm guessing NFL Players
>have spent more time standing
>for the National Anthem than
>most.
>
>Is he crazy, is his point
>valid, was he violating any
>rules, was he causing harm
>to other physically, was he
>spouting threatening and verbally charged
>rhetoric?
>
>Let's talk about why they are
>taking a knee.

Lets talk about it then. Bad cops? Of over 120,000 nation wide, what percentage are "bad cops"? It's funny America doesn't want to talk about the fact that there is a larger number of criminals within the race in question that are given victim status because of skin color. If we are gonna have a conversation it can't be one sided and paint things with a broad brush. Authority is a dangerous thing and it's funny to hear a group crying about the abuse of it on one hand and rallying for centralizing it at the top on the other.

The bottom line for most football fans is that they brought politics into just wanting to watch a football game on their day off and for all of the problems and division, this is still the greatest country in the world. Show it just a little respect.
 
I suppose it's a matter of personal opinion, but not standing with respect to the flag and national anthem is kind of like burning down your house to get rid of the rats. Or bi!ch slapping your wife because the underwear is not folded to your liking.

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"Apparently America doesn't want to acknowledge it has a problem with bad cops. Guess it is easier to blame those supporting the victims and change, than it is to really talk about the issue."


I agree and disagree. If I acknowledge that yes, not all cops are great, will you acknowledge that there is a problem with crime in the black community? I'm not racist.... However the numbers are disproportionate and the vibe I see is nobody wants to acknowledge that. They just want to blame it someone else. Blame the symptom, not the root cause...

Bottom line all communities have issue, but I guarantee you that if people of all races would stop and look at themselves instead of playing a victim and blaming the world, things would be better.

Sorry, way off topic. Sorry if I offended anyone.
 
Thank you Opbuck.

I was mid typing, and you put this one out. I think you made my point better than I did.
 
>I suppose it's a matter of
>personal opinion, but not standing
>with respect to the flag
>and national anthem is kind
>of like burning down your
>house to get rid of
>the rats. Or bi!ch slapping
>your wife because the underwear
>is not folded to your
>liking.

It's like neither of those things. Burning down your own home isn't a right enshrined in the Constitution and in most places in America it is considered assault to slap your wife around.

Your are comparing apples to elephants.


Nemont
 
That wasn't questioning your loyalty it was saying say whatever you want shoot your mouth off. Golf Club salesman huh didn't know I did that. I think of those men who have served everyday. Glad you don't watch pro sports looks like we have something in common. And no I don't have a vagina I don't have to think about what bathroom I have to use in target nemouth. I don't have a mom nemont we share yours b!tch. Cornf##ker I'm loud haha i've made less than 900 posts on MM you and big twat have over 12,000 posts combined. Too bad your mom didn't swallow as well father time.

"We don't have a gun problem we have prescription drug problem."
 
Nemont, it's kind of like being a prick. It's your right to be one but it is still disrespectful and most of us were brought up better. By the way insulting my wife just concretes my point on you and if done in person would get your nose broke my friend!?
 
264 I'll give it 5 years and Kapernick is broke. Unless he gets a book deal or is hired to speak at colleges.

"We don't have a gun problem we have prescription drug problem."
 
>Nemont, it's kind of like being
>a prick. It's your right
>to be one but it
>is still disrespectful and most
>of us were brought up
>better. By the way insulting
>my wife just concretes my
>point on you and if
>done in person would get
>your nose broke my friend!?
>

I never insulted your wife, I insulted her husband and if done in person you would have taken just had to smile and take it.

Nemont
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-18-17 AT 01:14PM (MST)[p]>That wasn't questioning your loyalty it
>was saying say whatever you
>want shoot your mouth off.
>Golf Club salesman huh didn't
>know I did that. I
>think of those men who
>have served everyday. Glad you
>don't watch pro sports looks
>like we have something in
>common. And no I don't
>have a vagina I don't
>have to think about what
>bathroom I have to use
>in target nemouth. I don't
>have a mom nemont we
>share yours b!tch. Cornf##ker
>I'm loud haha i've made
>less than 900 posts on
>MM you and big twat
>have over 12,000 posts combined.
>Too bad your mom didn't
>swallow as well father time.
>
>
> "We don't have a gun
>problem we have prescription drug
>problem."

That is interesting. You must be the one my mom talked about. She finally admitted that there were not 11 kids in my family but twelve Well, it turns out she had a bowel movement and thought it was a kid but flushed twice because it was a long way to Utah.

You are clueless about my business and how it operates or the dynamics of my interactions with my clients. In addition you absolutely questioned my loyalty to this country. Like I said I expect nothing less from a Utard and Utards never disappoint with their fake morals and phony conservatism.

Nemont
 
>That's the trouble with Liberals, they
>stand for nothing so they
>fall for anything.
>

Reminds me of all the Trump supporters. They have no standards but since he has an R after his name, they don't care what he lies about.

Watch, your hero is going to make sure Republicans get the blame for doing nothing about Obamacare and they are going to own it. The great deal maker sure seems to never get around to making deal. But look over here, the NFL players are kneeling, that is way more important than 20 million Americans having to figure out their health insurance and like a bunch of magpies the Trumpteers get worked up about 230 NFL players and don't give two shyts about 20 million Americans. Bunch of fakers for sure.

Nemont
 
Congress gets the blame as well as the D-Party they've offered up nothing with 8 years to fix it. So it's a little more on them as he just got into politics. Start voting people out and it can get easier. Make a Run for it Nemont no one believed trump could.

"We don't have a gun problem we have prescription drug problem."
 
What's there to figure out about health care? You either pay, get insurance, or go to a clinic or emergency room.

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LAST EDITED ON Oct-18-17 AT 02:54PM (MST)[p]https://kaiserfamilyfoundation.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/9078-figure-6.png

60% of Americans believe it is Trumpcare now and if you don't believe that then let's make a wager on who voters blame in the fall of 2018.

I know, I know all polls are always wrong and Trump is killing it but the underlining theme is that he can achieve his liberal agenda once the Republicans lose the Senate and House majority. Even with all the seats the dems have to defend they are going to at least hold the line and that bodes ill for the talking Yam.

You need to learn that voters have short memories and when you run on a single issue for 7 years and then deliver diddly squat you get punished at the ballot box.

Nemont
 
>264 I'll give it 5 years
>and Kapernick is broke. Unless
>he gets a book deal
>or is hired to speak
>at colleges.
>
> "We don't have a gun
>problem we have prescription drug
>problem."
+ 1 His property taxes on his mansions are eating away his fortunes
 
Nemont,you are dillusional,a liar & a prick. My wife was highly insulted by the comment.

By the way I thought we were taking a knee over all law enforcement shooting all black people? Maybe your dimensia got you off on the wrong liberal talking point?
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-18-17 AT 06:41PM (MST)[p]then tell your wife to let you put on your big girl panties. If you get insulted by something said to you on a website it is probably time for your hormone therapy.


I give less that two shyts what any player of any sport does. Watching grown men play a game of ley?s Pretend isn't a right. Protesting is, if you and the majority of Americans who claim they are offended would just vote with their wallet it would be over.

Nemont
 
Man I'd love for the fuckstick to insult me or my wife in person I'd knock his old ass into the promised land.

"We don't have a gun problem we have prescription drug problem."
 
Does insulting people non stop on this site make you feel like a big boy? Your just a lying old miserable liberal that don't have the balls to admit what you believe in. Do us all a favor and grab your favorite pistol,put the business end in your mouth and pull the trigger. That's all.
 
Your wife isn't offended by encouraging somebody to commit suicide, that is total class.

Nemont
 
No she's at the gym circus boy. You look like you could probably go there to. I'm not a P#ssy I don't need to take the easy way out. There's still more deer and elk for me to kill. And if I did that I wouldn't be able to laugh at you after the 2020 election.

"We don't have a gun problem we have prescription drug problem."
 
"Lets talk about it then. Bad cops? Of over 120,000 nation wide, what percentage are "bad cops"? It's funny America doesn't want to talk about the fact that there is a larger number of criminals within the race in question that are given victim status because of skin color. If we are gonna have a conversation it can't be one sided and paint things with a broad brush."

Violent crime outside of known high Black economy areaa has dropped dramatically for years. We know why there is a high mortality and incarceration rate for minorities that are participating in black market.

I will just bet there is more violent related Murders involving Asian on Asian crime in Chinatown than there is in Casper, Wyoming. Any takers?

The black economy controls things like illicit drugs sales, racketeering, prostitution. Find a thriving Black economy and there is going to be a lot of Murder. These environments are more than a likely path for generations where black economies exist. I cannot believe I have to clarify this but Black does not refer to skin color, these off the radar transactions for illicit money transactions could differ in race based on area. Black only refers to non traceable cash transactions.

What percentage of bad cops are you comfortable with? Give me an acceptable number? How many bad cops are an acceptable number for you? 1% is that acceptable an acceptable number? So based on your total numbers of 120,000 that would be 1,200 bad cops.

Is being a Cop no different that being Administrative Assistance in a corporation or working at a factory? Or is being a "sworn" Officer of the Law like being a Priest, Doctor, Bus Driver, or a Teacher, an entrusted professional?

I believe it is an Entrusted Position in society. If the number were a fraction of 1%, even at .1% we would have 120 bad cops. Nobody wants to be on the receiving end of a bad cop when you are innocent and incarceration or worse death comes along with it.

We can't control foot soldier gang related violence in metropolitan areas, but we can do something about bad cops and the percentage is unfortunately much higher than 1%.



The entire program for becoming an LEO needs to change along with their compensation.


"Thank you Opbuck.

I was mid typing, and you put this one out. I think you made my point better than I did."

I agree and disagree. If I acknowledge that yes, not all cops are great, will you acknowledge that there is a problem with crime in the black community?" Bottom line all communities have issue, but I guarantee you that if people of all races would stop and look at themselves instead of playing a victim and blaming the world, things would be better.{sic}"

Sorry, way off topic. Sorry if I offended anyone."

Good luck offending anybody and welcome! Thank you for sharing your opinion. Allow me to make this clear I do acknowledge the extreme violence related crime/mortality rates within area of high black economies that tend to be found in either Asian, Latino, or Black communities in metropolitan areas. As I stated earlier we know why that exists, that is just street justice, the law of any Black Economy areas. Do you think the 6 black people that live in Idaho live in fear of violently being murdered by each other...really? The other side of the tracks, the bad side of town, in larger cities these are not phrases we are not unfamiliar with and as you stated, they exist in every community and again we know why.

In high white areas it is just white guys that are involved in criminal black economies. Street dealers don't have the juice to bring enough cocaine to feed 1.2 million users in the country. White guys control bringing in that much product and getting it through customs, broken down, and distributed. We all know the violence related crimes transpire in high Murder areas at the street soldier level.

I agree with Kaepernick, something has to be done, we need to a new, improved requirement based police force in area of the countries where communities are plagued with black economic conditions. Poor schools, municipal services, generally what we call the hood, ghetto, the bad part of town.
>>>


"I suppose it's a matter of personal opinion, but not standing with respect to the flag and national anthem is kind of like burning down your house to get rid of the rats. Or bi!ch slapping your wife because the underwear is not folded to your liking.

If you burn a house down without a permit that would be an act of arson, a crime. Without a doubt physical assault is always a crime. This is a question of Rights vs Moral Outrage.

What Kaepernick did and what other players are now doing is not a crime but a protected constitutional right. This is no different than abortion clinic protestors or the Westboro Church protesting veteran funerals, Gay Pride Parades or Tea Party Members gathering to protest at the Capital. You don't have to like all acts of others exercising their 1st Amendment rights, but it is the flip side of 1st Amendment and people do have rights. Ask an open carry guy if you are in an open carry state why they have their gun in public.

If you do not exercise your rights under the law you may lose them. This is especially true if you are an American and understand the guarantee of your rights under Constitution Law.

I agree with Kaepernick, unlike him though simply pointing out a known known is a somewhat hollow excuse without offering a solution. Given his unprecedented act he could have accomplished more to promote his beliefs and further his solutions before bringing his protest to the field. That being said, if it is not in his contract, not against the rules, and a voluntary act, as a citizen he has that choice. Standing with hand over heart at a public event is a matter of choice which is why it is a matter of expression thus protected by the Constitution.

Solutions is the place to go if you want to end this cycle as it will soon start to spread to other sports. The answer is addressing solutions to a final end to high crime areas. Put forth a solution, attempt to finally resolve the issue of multi-generations living under poverty level in sub-standard low income high crime neighborhoods.
 
But yet he wears a Fidel Castro shirt and praises the tyrant. I'm pretty sure Castro has done killed more people than a bad cop.

"We don't have a gun problem we have prescription drug problem."
 
Rebate boy is right, the solution is simple, don't watch it. If they want to assume the cocksucker position during the anthem I've only got one thing for em.


#livelikezac
 
First off, thanks for the welcome and the response.

"Good luck offending anybody and welcome! Thank you for sharing your opinion. Allow me to make this clear I do acknowledge the extreme violence related crime/mortality rates within area of high black economies that tend to be found in either Asian, Latino, or Black communities in metropolitan areas. As I stated earlier we know why that exists, that is just street justice, the law of any Black Economy areas. Do you think the 6 black people that live in Idaho live in fear of violently being murdered by each other...really? The other side of the tracks, the bad side of town, in larger cities these are not phrases we are not unfamiliar with and as you stated, they exist in every community and again we know why."
In high white areas it is just white guys that are involved in criminal black economies. Street dealers don't have the juice to bring enough cocaine to feed 1.2 million users in the country. White guys control bringing in that much product and getting it through customs, broken down, and distributed. We all know the violence related crimes transpire in high Murder areas at the street soldier level.

I agree with Kaepernick, something has to be done, we need to a new, improved requirement based police force in area of the countries where communities are plagued with black economic conditions. Poor schools, municipal services, generally what we call the hood, ghetto, the bad part of town"


Yes I understand what your saying. The kids are born into this, and this is all they know, this street justice, Black Economy. I get that. Now, if my next statement is proven wrong with statistics, let me know. A very large % of the black/hispanic community end up in this "wrong side of the tracks" environment. Way more per capita than white. I know why, that's their identity, that's how they were raised, that's all they know. I don't know what the answer is to fix it. But at the same time I struggle with coming down so hard on police officers for a very serious problem, where it is very difficult to enforce the law. Now I'm not saying they are all clean, but many of the highly publicized shootings involved the victim 1. not following offercers commands 2. in the middle of committing a crime.
What is your idea of training the cops while still allowing them to protect themselves? How can you enforce crime if there is no fear of deadly force? Why would a criminal follow officers commands if not? What would you define as a justified shooting?
I'm not saying I have any answers, and I don't like hearing about people getting shot. But bottom line I feel like if your committing a crime and do not follow an officers commands, you are knowingly making a decision that could cost you your life.
 
>Rebate boy is right, the solution
>is simple, don't watch it.
>If they want to assume
>the cocksucker position during the
>anthem I've only got one
>thing for em.
>
>
>#livelikezac
+1
 
Chickenhawk,

Wasn't talking to you. So if I act like a Dyck you all whine like little girls but when you all act like dyck's it becomes a circle jerk.

I guess if it offends you then you need to grow a pair and thicker skin.

Nemont
 
I'm not judging the merits of why NFL players are protesting, or questioning their legal right to do it. It's a moral issue for me.

I think they're all worthless POS for protesting in that fashion. And the NFL is a POS for allowing their employees to do it during work hours.

I have the option to not watch or support them. And express my opinion and displeasure.


97172deliverancebanjo.jpg
 
I don't recall anyone claiming that NFL players taking a knee illegal. If someone claims that then they are just stupid. We all have rights and it is certainly their right to take a knee and it is also their right to suffer the consequences.

This whole thing ties into my "white privilege" thread a couple of weeks ago. It is so tiring hearing black people scream and cry when a white cop shoots one of their own but nobody cares when a black gang banger shoots another black gang banger do they? All it is, is political ammo for the blacks to claim racism when this happens.

This is a great article. Those of you who believe that cops are racists boogeymen out to kill all the blacks won't read it but you should.

http://nypost.com/2017/09/26/all-that-kneeling-ignores-the-real-cause-of-soaring-black-homicides/


Until the black community wants to address the real problem within THEMSELVES, I won't take any of their antics seriously and don't give two shyts about their stupid protests. When pro athletes and celebrities want to use their platform to protest what the real problem is then we can talk about how to fix the problem. Until the black community wants to address the real problem, there is no solution. They can blame all the white people in the world for the death of the blacks but the numbers tell a different story. I love watching football but I can't support their 1st amendment right to shyt on the flag of our great country, but I would die fighting for them to keep that right. I don't have to agree with it and they won't get my money anymore and I hope a shyt ton more people feel the same way.

I'm calling out black people right here and now. If there is any that are reading this thread, I'm talking to you. My little platform right here is small but I don't care, stand up and protest the black on black killings that BY FAR outnumber the white on black killings you seem to hate so much.

One of my best friends is a black man. A man that I have hunted with for years and a man that I would trust my life with. I am white and we've discussed this topic in our campfire BS sessions before. He despises Kaepernick and the BLM movement because he has educated himself on what the real problem with the black community is. He taught me to look at the marital statistics of black people. He taught me to understand the very high percentage of black men who knock up the girl and don't want the responsibility of having the kids. He gets it but most people don't. Most people think that us whites just have it good and that we're keeping the blacks down for our own gain. Bullshit!! Black people need to start taking responsibility for their own shyt and stop being the victim all the time. Be men, be fathers to your children and show the world that ALL murder is unacceptable not just when Whitey the police man shoots Jizzy the hood rat drug dealer.
 
Way to take the PC gloves off and nail this one forky. Until that conversation is had and the realization that poverty pimp politicians want and need this to continue, nothing will change other than losing the support of the white bogeymen like us.
 
Hey RUBBLE welcome to the forum. It won't take you long to figure out what clowns NEMO and OCHO are. And I guess trump can't have an opinion on the over paid cry babies kneeling huh ? Figures the two face bleeding heart demos on here running their stink holes. The clowns on here will never stop amazing me. And NEMO like I have also told you before you should quit talking about others families and mothers. Look in the mirror proof again your mommy flushed the kid and kept the after birth.
 
Again you fakers are now just liars but I expect no less from Trump suporters, no standards and now no honesty.

Nobody said Trump can't have an opinion, What smart people say is that he is dividing us just like you all claimed Obama did. He is wading into something that doesn't deserve the time and attention of the leader of this great nation.

All you have to do is turn the TV off but I guess nobody explained that to phony conservatives. They want to make it a referendum on whether you are American enough based on what 220 football players do out of a population of 320,000,000 people.

Trump counts on the on the dimwitted and slow, it is the only voters he has left.

Nemont
 
Fakers ? Again look in the mirror! Trump dividing this country? Your idol o butt hole did that with his anti cop BS and the BS racial garbage. Blame your man for that not trump.
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-20-17 AT 02:25PM (MST)[p]eel, for a master one liner, that was a well written expression of opinion. I agree with every point you made, start to finish. An excellent statement of reality.

For me, the NFL kneeling business is round two or three of professional sports. I lost interest in watching the antics, on the floor and in the community of NBA basketball players when Dennis Rodman became the cultural leadership of the NBA and it's players. It started small, with one kook and blossomed into a generation of attitudes and behaviors that I didn't care to watch. I stopped watching pretty much all NBA games except for the playoffs. The Warriors, and their decision to decline the President's invitation to the Whitehouse, finished me off on the NBA entirely. Won't be watching any NBA now. I don't watch media people that dislike values that I support either, I rarely, maybe once every two years, go to a movie because don't enjoy watching actors who dislke values I support. It's not like I'm boycotting or protesting their behavior, I simply don't like it and I'm not going to put up with it, if I'm got getting entertainment value out of it.

I rarely look in on the MM Political forum because I no longer enjoy the discussions that take place here.

Now the NBA and it's players are doing much the same, in their own way, by kneeling during the Anthem. It's their right, just like it was the right of the Warriors to decline the offer to visit the Whitehouse and for NBA players to do what they do. The NBA made it easy for me to stop watching, and now the NFL is making is easy as well.

It's easy to walk away from people that dislike things you support and believe in. Seems like normal human nature to me.

DC
 
>Fakers ? Again look in the
>mirror! Trump dividing this country?
> Your idol o butt
>hole did that with his
>anti cop BS and the
>BS racial garbage. Blame
>your man for that not
>trump.


Lying liars that is all the echo chamber here is made of any more. I never supported Obama and you can't find a single post of support other than the one I made when Osama bin Laden was taken out. Just because one doesn't have orange lips doesn't mean you are an Obama supporter. In America we shouldn't settle for shytty leaders whether if was Obama or if it is Trump. Trump shouldn't spend a single minute of his time on the NFL. If he Truly wanted to make a point he should be telling his base to turn off the TV, maybe the base doesn't know their TV's have an off button.

Trump is conning you again and so far the phony conservative are eating it up like free ice cream.

Why not just turn off the TV and stop watching? Fairly obvious solution, do you need to be told by Trump to do that?

Nemont
 
>LAST EDITED ON Oct-20-17
>AT 02:25?PM (MST)

>
>eel, for a master one liner,
>that was a well written
>expression of opinion. I
>agree with every point you
>made, start to finish.
>An excellent statement of reality.
>
>
>For me, the NFL kneeling business
>is round two or three
>of professional sports. I
>lost interest in watching the
>antics, on the floor and
>in the community of NBA
>basketball players when Dennis Rodman
>became the cultural leadership of
>the NBA and it's players.
> It started small, with
>one kook and blossomed into
>a generation of attitudes and
>behaviors that I didn't care
>to watch. I stopped
>watching pretty much all NBA
>games except for the playoffs.
> The Warriors, and their
>decision to decline the President's
>invitation to the Whitehouse, finished
>me off on the NBA
>entirely. Won't be watching
>any NBA now. I
>don't watch media people that
>dislike values that I support
>either, I rarely, maybe once
>every two years, go to
>a movie because don't enjoy
>watching actors who dislke values
>I support. It's not
>like I'm boycotting or protesting
>their behavior, I simply don't
>like it and I'm not
>going to put up with
>it, if I'm got getting
>entertainment value out of it.
>
>
>I rarely look in on the
>MM Political forum because I
>no longer enjoy the discussions
>that take place here.
>
>Now the NBA and it's players
>are doing much the same,
>in their own way, by
>kneeling during the Anthem.
>It's their right, just like
>it was the right of
>the Warriors to decline the
>offer to visit the Whitehouse
>and for NBA players to
>do what they do.
>The NBA made it easy
>for me to stop watching,
>and now the NFL is
>making is easy as well.
>
>
>It's easy to walk away from
>people that dislike things you
>support and believe in.
>Seems like normal human nature
>to me.
>
>DC
I hear ya Lumpy
 
NEMO I watch next to no television. Hate it ! I never go to movies. My wife hates that. See unlike you I enjoy doing things for myself. I am almost done with a steel two bay garage I built in the back yard for my wife to keep her saw dust in for her stupid rodeo horses. I could pay to have that done but I like doing things for myself. So the last person that does a gosh dang thing because someone?s says so is me. So like your boyfriend TOG says so often GFYS.
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-20-17 AT 02:57PM (MST)[p]I see because I hired the work done on my garage I am less of a man? Really. You don't know diddly squat about what I do or don't do. Yeah I hired it done for many reasons on is my time is valuable, I guess unlike yours. I knew I had to travel a bunch this summer so I hired it done, I knew that I had to get it done before winter sets in, so I hired it done. I can afford to hire it done and it freed me up to fish, spend time with my family because my daughter was graduating from college and we moved her to North Carolina in July. If it makes you feel more important to build a garage, BFD. I don't really give two shyts. Enjoy what you do.

Now about your man love for Trump, he is a joke of president and is going to make sure we have to live with stupid liberal policies for a generation. I don't expect Trump supporters to get it because they support a guy who is not, never has been and never will be a conservative. But fakers care at all, as long as he puts an R after his name they don't care about what actually happens.

So right back at you GFYS

Nemont
 
Well like you say I don't give two chits about R or D. Don?t think much about trump but at least he does not care about being politically correct. I will give him that. And I think he has a right to have an opinion just like anyone else. I simply stated some facts you chump. I like doing things myself. I could care less what you do or don't do. You are the one who keeps blabbing about people on here who don't agree with your BS being trump blotches. You are the one who said trump has divides this country. That happened long before trump and even your retarded azz should be able to see that.
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-20-17 AT 03:40PM (MST)[p]I know reading and understanding is difficult when you don't do it. I never said he started dividing us, chuckle head. I said he is doing it just like you accused Obama of dividing us. So now it if fine?

I also never said Trump can't have an opinion. I said he shouldn't not use the power of government to silence a protest, That is what our founding document says but I don't expect you to care much about that. If the owners demanded the players stand, I say that is their right as the employer. The 1st Amendment limited our government, who Trump is the head of right now, from infringing upon the following:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

I guess if you think the most important thing the president has to do is define who is American enough by standing then you miss the entire point of what divides people and how he is doing. He is using our flag and national anthem to further along what guys like Obama started and the low hanging fruit of his base are buying into it. I expect nothing less.

Nemont
 
Well I probably read less than you do because it appears all you do all day is play on your computer. But you still can't read or comprehend. Just keep trying to twist politics to fit your little personal gains. I have better tings to do this afternoon that waste my times with you. Keep sitting on your azz and keep blowing your own horn.
 
I guess if anyone know about blowing it would be you. Most Trumpteers know little else.

Nemont
 
Oh so you and your two buddies links are good though. Gotta love the pick and choose links so it's only fair if you guys do it. At least shapiro can argue a point and make people look dumb in person. I've yet to see the yahoo boys make a good argument.

"We don't have a gun problem we have prescription drug problem."
 

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