Well That Didn't Take Long

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Must been a "Gun"?

"Black Gun" in Your Eyes!







Back Me Off to 1,700 Yards,650 is a Little Close & I'm Not Comfortable with it!

A GUT SHOT at 1,700 Yards will Still Make Some Good BRAGGIN Rights so I Can Say I At Least Hit Him!


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This appears to be the work of a white supremacist in retaliation for another white supremacist getting the death penalty for a church shooting. Take away the gun, and he would use a bomb or vehicle for his mass killing.
Can be filed under a cowardly nut case with a gun. I am surprised that none of those church goers was packing a gun where they could have put up a defense.

RELH
 
Yeah, but she's a bad biatch ain't she ?


http://heavy.com/news/2017/11/devin-kelley-facebook-gun-photo-social-media/


If he killed 26 people in 15 seconds as survivors say I doubt getting a pea shooter out of your pocket and hitting him wouldn't have been that easy. I'm guessing a few bullets were flying. might have been a bit hectic.

And even if you did get a shot off you better hit his head. cops say he was a well prepared man card holder, body armor and all.


We may as well end this thread right now. unless it involves a raghead a beaner or a rental truck nobody gives a FF. in a week this will all be forgotten. no point in going through all the same old chit we did a month ago, two moths ago, 6 months ago ...... let's just sit back and see how many days or weeks until the next one.






Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-05-17 AT 06:40PM (MST)[p]Like the left-wing media we're hearing more about the gun than the shooter. Why aren't we hearing about why he was dishonorably discharged? Why do we not know his religion? Why do we not know the meds he was on? Why do we not know his political party affiliation? Why is his Facebook page gone? Probably because it answered all those questions above.



#livelikezac
 
Let's Hurry & Ban Body Armour!

That'll Fix Every-F'N-Thing!








Back Me Off to 1,700 Yards,650 is a Little Close & I'm Not Comfortable with it!

A GUT SHOT at 1,700 Yards will Still Make Some Good BRAGGIN Rights so I Can Say I At Least Hit Him!


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> Yeah, but she's a
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>in 15 seconds as survivors
>say I doubt getting a
>pea shooter out of your
>pocket and hitting him wouldn't
>have been that easy.
>I'm guessing a few bullets
>were flying. might
>have been a bit hectic.
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>And even if you did get
>a shot off you better
>hit his head. cops
>say he was a well
>prepared man card holder, body
>armor and all.
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>We may as well end this
>thread right now. unless it
>involves a raghead a
>beaner or a rental truck
>nobody gives a FF.
>in a week this will
>all be forgotten. no
>point in going through all
>the same old chit we
>did a month ago,
>two moths ago, 6 months
>ago ...... let's just sit
>back and see how many
>days or weeks until the
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He was shot at with a rifle from a neighbor and he dropped the ar 15.
 
Just another idiot that would have done harm any way he could. I'll bet he has a prescription drug problem. I would love to see a media source that shows situations where gun owners save lives. But we won't because the media loves the fear package the liberals swallow up.

"We don't have a gun problem we have prescription drug problem."
 
They say he helped at bible study. I'd have to guess he was a Christian.

Unlike the vegas shooter they might find a motive with this white guy. WTF difference does it make? if you're dead you're dead.

So are we going to deport white guys ? build a fence to keep white guys out ? allow no white guys to immigrate to the US ? profile white guys because they carried out most of the worst mass killings in our history? what?


We really really need someone to blame like right now. who are we supposed to hate?



Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
How about we blame the person who sold the dishonorably discharged veteran a gun?



#livelikezac
 
So dude!

If He had taken 2 Minutes with a Gun Similar to your Favorite F'N Elk Gun You'd be OK with it?









Back Me Off to 1,700 Yards,650 is a Little Close & I'm Not Comfortable with it!

A GUT SHOT at 1,700 Yards will Still Make Some Good BRAGGIN Rights so I Can Say I At Least Hit Him!


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Dumb question, but no of course not.

But if he had used a model 70 how many less people would have died? keep in mind my magazine hold 3 and must be loaded from the top with lose shells and the bolt open.


For the life of me I cannot figure why mass killers prefer Rambo chit can you ?










Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
> They say he helped at
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>deport white guys ?
>build a fence to keep
>white guys out ?
>allow no white guys to
>immigrate to the US ?
> profile white guys because
>they carried out most of
>the worst mass killings in
>our history? what?
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> We really really need
>someone to blame like right
>now. who are we supposed
>to hate?
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>Stay Thirsty My Friends

Seems that he liked web pages devoted to atheism. Maybe thats why your such an angry,hateful person 440? Again we have a people problem not an inanimate object problem. Keep making excuses for peoples shitty behavior and politicizing it and this stuff will continue to get worse.

So according to you, we get rid of "man" guns and let anybody in the country that wants to come and we have a utopia? Your a phuking moron!
 
He was given a dishonorable discharge after serving time in the brig for domestic violence on his wife and small child. That along in CA. would put him on the list for not being able to possess any firearm.
There is reports out that a neighbor of the church upon hearing the shots, grab his own rifle and fired shots at the suspect. Suspect then jumped into his vehicle and fled with that neighbor giving pursuit. Suspect crashed and was found dead in vehicle from gunshot wound. Unknown if he shot himself or had been shot by the neighbor. I heard one unconfirmed report that when the church neighbor open fire on the suspect, it did make the suspect drop his rifle and flee indicating he may have been hit by the neighbor.

If that is the case, it does take a good guy with a gun to stop a bad guy with a gun. Liberal press will downplay that part.

RELH
 
A bad conduct discharge does not repeal gun ownership rights.

A good guy with a gun did not stop him from killing 26 people. but it is possible a good guy with a gun stopped him from killing more.


So you set yourself up again so riddle me this. if the good guy with a gun had come long at the same time and Kelly had a bolt, lever or single shot how many more people would be alive tonight?

That is the question you mouthbreathers refuse to answer or even acknowledge. a gun is not a gun is a gun, and losers like Kelly know a " bad ##### " when they see one.

This is getting redundant and boring. again. let's just take a body count and sit back and wait for the next time. shouldn't be too long.


Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-05-17 AT 11:43PM (MST)[p]You should reread form 4473, maybe it's been awhile since you filled one out. Pay particular attention to questions C and I. Who sold him the gun?

#livelikezac
 
I am new here and don't read it daily.

What do you propose? All I see from you is criticizing and complaining, but in my short time reading I have yet to see you offer up an opinion on a solution for any topic. Generally just a Trump cop out.

You propose a Gun confiscation? Confiscate AR's? Or do you propose more restricted gun ownership?


I guess I'm more in the middle on some items with guns. I own about every type there is. However, I do see some issues with hunting laws & some gun laws.
In my state you can't drive till 16, can't smoke till 19, can't drink till 21. But you can pack a 270 in the hills... When I came up it was 16 to hunt. My opinion, 12 is too young... I'm not saying every 12 year old... there are many with solid examples by parents and are safe.

I don't feel AR's are to blame. People are to blame. Take AR's away, crazy's will use planes, trucks, bombs, etc. But at the same time I think there needs to be something that keeps them out of the hands of people that shouldn't have them.

I feel prohibiting sales with certain criteria would help.
Including, no sales allowed any immigrant, None for people convicted of any type of domestic violence, anyone diagnosed with mental illness, anyone convicted of any type of violent crime, etc.

I don't have answers, but punishing law abiding citizens isn't the answer.
 
>oh, and let me clarify, I'm
>responding to ocho.

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#livelikezac
 
What do I propose? let's start by going back to the Clinton ban we had for 10 years.

Will that solve the problem ? hell no. why? because the Clinton ban expired and flooded the nation with Rambo chit. we're closing the gate after the horse left the barn.


So does that mean we can't do anything? trying is the first step to failure right? maybe. I guess the real question is do you give a chit about the people being killed or not? if you don't then we're on the right track.

Assault weapons will be banned in time. no question whatsoever. will there be a confiscation ? someday I would have to guess yes. there will come a time society decides being so efficiently mowed down in church, at a concert, in school, at work or at a bar just isn't worth your your man card.

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Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
>>>>"Will that solve the problem ? hell no. why? because the Clinton ban expired and flooded the nation with Rambo chit. we're closing the gate after the horse left the barn."

Then why impose a ban? The market is flooded right? Again, banning right now will do nothing for the criminal. They can and will get their hands on that weapon if they want it. It will only ban law abiding citizens. That's how I see it.

>>>>>"So does that mean we can't do anything? trying is the first step to failure right? maybe. I guess the real question is do you give a chit about the people being killed or not? if you don't then we're on the right track."

Any human being cares about people that are killed. The difference between you and I is I will admit I have no idea what the answer is. Looks like we both agree, that banning is like closing the gate after the horse left the barn. So what is the answer?


>>>>Assault weapons will be banned in time. no question whatsoever. will there be a confiscation ? someday I would have to guess yes. there will come a time society decides being so efficiently mowed down in church, at a concert, in school, at work or at a bar just isn't worth your your man card.

Do you really think criminals, nut jobs would actually turn over their AR?

So with all due respect, you are no further than I am with an answer as to what should be done.

I am interested in how you would retaliate to the following:
- no gun sales to immigrants
- no gun sales to those convicted of any type of violent crime.
- no gun sales to those with diagnosed mental condition
- All these shootings are happening in some sort of public place. Seems like if security were increased in public places, that may help? Example I've seen schools security increased. Metal detectors, etc. Would it cure it? No. But maybe reduce it...
 
Sorry for replying to myself... I fully realize it is a dipchit move...

I realize I am looking in the wrong place for answers, but I refuse to watch any type of news or read any type of news. Any tragedy gets utilized in politics.... and that is both sides of the isle. You never hear any answers that may actually help the problem.

Would as many people have died if he were using a bolt action? No. but at same time, maybe double would have died had he been using fertilizer & diesel...

I'm sitting here thinking that politics will help nothing. Hell in my whole life I see zero benefit from federal government.

I guess in my opinion is the problem will not stop if people sit around and wait for the gov. to fix it.

In my opinion the gov. and media has partly caused all of this. 1. immigrants 2. fueling fire of racial tensions...3. on and on.

I think the answer will come from the people. Whether that is more security implemented in public places, arming more people, etc. Gun bans, etc will not do a thing. about the only thing the government could help is offer a tax break for security system's for businesses.
 
Dude keeps missing the key point. We have a unique Constitution that has an amendment that guarantees our right to keep and bear arms. There are over 500 MILLION guns in America. Likely over a hundred million AR-15, Mini-14, Mini-30 style guns. Enough ammo for a hundred years as well. There is going to be no confiscation of guns and ammo. Ever.
 
Two from Colorado and two from Texas. The Ruger rifle was from Academy a year ago. He did not check the domestic abuse box so what good is it to ask the questions knowing s criminal will never answer honestly?
 
If I remember right there is case law involving the ATF 4473 form. They arrested a ex-felon for lying about not having a felony conviction. The court ruled he was protected by the 5th. amendment on self incrimination. Charges went out the window.

RELH
 
Eliminate the rambo gun then what. A bomb or a truck or a knife. Or someone on top of a building with a bolt action rifle picking people off from a distance. Doesn't matter some idiot woke up and decided to harm people. Last I checked when the gun started it's day it was lying there harmless. Then some jack a55 picked it up and decided to commit a crime.

"We don't have a gun problem we have prescription drug problem."
 
>Two from Colorado and two from
>Texas. The Ruger rifle was
>from Academy a year ago.
>He did not check the
>domestic abuse box so what
>good is it to ask
>the questions knowing s criminal
>will never answer honestly?

Who's on the other end of the line verifying the info while we wait?


#livelikezac
 
All the shootings I can remember were conducted at places where people don't typically carry or are prohibited to carry.
 
You're looking for easy answers where none can be found.


Immigrants? WTF does that have to do with it? the last 80 people mowed down by Rambo were killed by lilly white native born americans. like it is most of the time.


Criminals can't buy guns? that's already the way it is. but most of the Rambo chit is bought legally. look it up.

If guns don't kill people then what's the problem with surface to air missiles? why can't I buy all the SAM's I want? they're harmless in the right hands right? SAM's don't kill people , people kill people.... but....I'm so confused please explain.


Glen is grasping at straws again with the 2nd amendment. yes, we have the right to keep and bear arms, true. and we have a ruling confirming that. HOWEVER, Rambo chit was not included in that ruling and it has yet to be determined if it will be. if you're sure it will be then please explain why the USSC has allowed state and local bans to stand. do tell.

My fear, and I think I'll be proven correct is this. the NRA and the congressmen they own will do nothing at all until the anger and disdain builds to a point that the NRA will be crushed and common sense gun laws will be passed up in an anti-gun flood of revenge where even standard weapons are caught up in it. giving a little ground on dumb chit like bump stocks today could prevent such a radical swing to the left down the road. but short sighted cowards and the gun manufacturers profits cannot allow any compromise . in the end you drag me down with you.




Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
Dude you are f##king dreaming if you are stupid enough to believe they will stop at the bump stocks and "assault rifles". Too many Democrat politicians are on record stating they want ALL GUNS BANNED IN THE UNITED STATES and that is their ultimate goal. Anything less will not placate them.

RELH
 
Elaborate on common sense gun laws. what does that mean exactly? We have background checks and in my state must do that on private sales as well. Seems to me your belief in govt has let you down in this case with a system that let him slip through the laws in place. What your calling for is far more dangerous than a crazy atheist with a "man card" gun.?‍♂️
 
Typical Law Breakin Atheist Mentality!







Back Me Off to 1,700 Yards,650 is a Little Close & I'm Not Comfortable with it!

A GUT SHOT at 1,700 Yards will Still Make Some Good BRAGGIN Rights so I Can Say I At Least Hit Him!


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Prove he was an atheist. how many bible studies do you suppose an atheist is involved in. and I hate to tell you this, but not having imaginary friends is constitutional. you people can't find anything to hate about this guy so you're grasping again.


If you give them bump stocks they won't stop there is that your nonsense? how about give them nothing and they'll take a hell of a lot more. you losers seem to think the majority doesn't count anymore . you're already outnumbered and chit like this is going to sink your azz to the bottom of the swamp. this is a republic not a dictatorship.

Why won't one of you losers answer my question, or at least try. it's very telling of your disingenuous bullchit argument. how many less would be dead had he used a bolt, lever or single shot ?

I'm on the same page as real republicans have been for years. I'm not sure what you people are anymore but a POS comes to mind often.

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/ronald-reagan-helped-pass-the-1994-assault-weapons-ban/

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LAST EDITED ON Nov-06-17 AT 07:03PM (MST)[p]>You're looking for easy answers where
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>what's the problem with surface
>to air missiles? why
>can't I buy all the
>SAM's I want? they're
>harmless in the right hands
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>kill people , people kill
>people.... but....I'm so confused please
>explain.
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> Glen is grasping at straws
>again with the 2nd amendment.
> yes, we have the
>right to keep and bear
>arms, true. and we
>have a ruling confirming that.
>HOWEVER, Rambo chit was
>not included in that ruling
>and it has yet to
>be determined if it will
>be. if you're sure
>it will be then please
>explain why the USSC has
>allowed state and local bans
>to stand. do tell.
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>I'll be proven correct is
>this. the NRA and
>the congressmen they own will
>do nothing at all until
>the anger and disdain
> builds to a point
>that the NRA will be
>crushed and common sense gun
>laws will be passed up
>in an anti-gun flood
>of revenge where even standard
>weapons are caught up in
>it. giving a little
>ground on dumb chit like
>bump stocks today could prevent
>such a radical swing to
>the left down the road.
> but short sighted cowards
>and the gun manufacturers profits
>cannot allow any compromise .
> in the end
>you drag me down with
>you.
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Who sold him the guns? The federallies and the military don't speak? Why was his military record not looked at in his background check? Are the background checks just a facade? I expect no answers from you again lennie.


#livelikezac
 
Fox news reported that the Air Force has admitted they failed to forward his criminal record to NCIC, National Crime Information Center, where it could be uploaded into their computer for background checks.

I also noticed that CNN is failing to say anything about his mental record as Fox news reported after talking to people that knew him and stated he was being medicated while in school for mental problems. He also was reported for abusing his dog while living in Colorado Springs, Colorado.

CNN did admit that the citizen who shot at him hit him twice in the torso and arm before he fled and he then shot himself just before or after he crashed his vehicle.
CNN focused on the guns he had and amount of ammo and that this was a "Domestic" crime against his in laws.

RELH
 
>Prove he was an atheist.
>how many bible studies do
>you suppose an atheist is
>involved in. and
>I hate to tell you
>this, but not having imaginary
>friends is constitutional.
>you people can't find anything
>to hate about this guy
>so you're grasping again.
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> If you give them bump
>stocks they won't stop there
>is that your nonsense?
>how about give them nothing
>and they'll take a hell
>of a lot more.
>you losers seem to think
>the majority doesn't count anymore
>. you're already
>outnumbered and chit like this
>is going to sink your
>azz to the bottom of
>the swamp. this is
>a republic not a dictatorship.
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>Why won't one of you losers
>answer my question, or at
>least try. it's very telling
>of your disingenuous bullchit argument.
> how many less would
>be dead had he used
>a bolt, lever or single
>shot ?
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>I'm on the same page as
>real republicans have been for
>years. I'm not sure what
>you people are anymore but
>a POS comes to mind
>often.
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>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/ronald-reagan-helped-pass-the-1994-assault-weapons-ban/
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>Stay Thirsty My Friends



You're a little F'N Touchy on rather he was an Atheist Ain't You?

GEEZUS!

To Me it don't matter what Religion He was!

He Was a LOWLIFE BASTARD that shoulda been Hung Years ago!

Read This Tough Guy!

http://nypost.com/2017/11/06/ex-friends-say-shooter-was-creepy-atheist-who-berated-religious-people/








Back Me Off to 1,700 Yards,650 is a Little Close & I'm Not Comfortable with it!

A GUT SHOT at 1,700 Yards will Still Make Some Good BRAGGIN Rights so I Can Say I At Least Hit Him!


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LAST EDITED ON Nov-06-17 AT 08:40PM (MST)[p] NY Post ? ha!. what does The National Enquirer have to say about it?



I can't even buy an answer to my question on how many more died can I ?

Checkmate.

















Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
>LAST EDITED ON Nov-06-17
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> what does The National
>Enquirer have to say about
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>many more died can I
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Hey dude!

Read Post # 42!

Then Re-Read it again!







Back Me Off to 1,700 Yards,650 is a Little Close & I'm Not Comfortable with it!

A GUT SHOT at 1,700 Yards will Still Make Some Good BRAGGIN Rights so I Can Say I At Least Hit Him!


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Dude how many would be dead if he drove a truck into that church at 65 mph? How many would be dead if he walked into that church with a semi auto shotgun, that you love very much, with no plug and emptied 4-5 rounds of OO buck then threw that gun down and pulled out two 15 round 9mm pistols and emptied those guns into the crowd.
We won't even mentioned tossing several pipe bombs into the building via the windows and how many would be killed.
Your argument is about as lame as you are. The liberals in our country better get with putting crazies into mental hospitals and putting them on a no gun list. Can not buy and can not even posses firearms. If caught with a gun, they go to prison.

RELH
 
Long time watcher first time poster. To answer this in my opinion had it not been an ar ,sure not as many would have been shot. But on the other hand how hard would it be to have some other means of mass casualties. Things like the devision between sportsman will be the falling of us. Yes everyone has the answer but I believe that none of us really do, we just sit behind a keyboard and act like we have answers. What has anyone on this site done to be proactive? At what point will we be safe? When all ar style guns are banned? Good luck with that, I'm not saying ar guns will keep us safe but at what point will bans keep us safe? Sure we ban them great, what do we do when the next shooting happens with a shotguns, handgun or Hell a bomb or whatever else what do we ban? I just don't see how this will help. And Just to clarify I don't own an ar nore do I want or need one. I just am being realistic bans will do nothing, bad people will find a way it doesn't matter and there is no proof they wouldn't. Anyone can disagree that's the beauty of our country we can disagree but at what point do we weakens because we have no unity and everyone against us does.
 
Thank you for addressing the topic rather than making personal attacks it's refreshing.


So to that I ask, how many lives does it take to matter? what is the number of saved lives that justifies action ?

Would this shooting have even happened had the killer not bought his " bad ##### " ? would he have had the guts to walk up to that church with just a boring old model 700 and a pocket full of shells? maybe maby not. but even if he had a lot more people would be at home tonight rather than on a slab in the cooler.


You say the anti's are unified, you ain't seen noth'in yet. these mass killings will continue and the nation will be demanding action . the day is coming when the NRA won't be able to put enough congressmen's balls in a money clip to stop it.


















Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
Air Force didn't report shooter's domestic-violence conviction to fed database, allowing him to buy guns


The U.S. Air Force didn't report Texas church shooter Devin Kelley?s domestic violence conviction to the FBI -- even though it was required by the Pentagon -- leaving the door open for Kelley to buy weapons, officials said.
 
Gonna Tell the Half Breed one more F'N Time!

All Your Fake Phony Laws You wanna see in place are Helpless & Worthless without Enforcement!

There are already Laws in Place saying Convicted Felons can NOT Possess Firearms!

When the F'N PANTY-WASTE Judges turn these Bastards back out,What's the First F'N Thing they Possess?

A F'N Gun You DipSshit!

Listen & Listen Well!

The Day You let em take Any Gun is the Day You Might as Well Hand your F'N Elk Gun in as Well!

Amazing How F'N Blind & Stupid You Really are!

The Day Our Government Tries to Take any of Our Guns,Especially in the West,They'll Have their Hands Full,It's Pussssies like You where They'll Put a Feather in their F'N Hats because We know a couple things about you already:

1: You're not Man Enough to Stand Up to Our Government!

2: Even if You ever owned a BLACK GUN You'd of Boxed it up & Sent it in to Our Government Long before now!

3: Because You're SKEERED!

WAKE THE HELL UP!





Back Me Off to 1,700 Yards,650 is a Little Close & I'm Not Comfortable with it!

A GUT SHOT at 1,700 Yards will Still Make Some Good BRAGGIN Rights so I Can Say I At Least Hit Him!


90087hankjr.jpg
 
What difference does it make if the Air Force screwed up ? guns don't kill people people kill people right ? now you're saying keeping guns out of peoples hands can make a difference ? I'm confused.

You and the NRA are against a better background check system because you say it won't work and it may prevent some good folks from buying a gun. ( and therefore hurt profits ). but now you're saying the background check failed and that's why this happened. I'm so confused.














Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
Alcoholism can cause confusion,let me help you out. You scream for more laws but we can't enforce nor will they be abided by all people the ones we have on the books currently. This event proved the point clearly? So either we had a kind of background check system but really just a chance for the salesman to grab a cup of coffee in the back or more proof of govt epic fail in their claim to do all things for all people? Which is it?

I don't own any semi auto rifles or handguns but I don't wish to strip the rights away from law abiding citizens who want to protect themselves or are into sport shooting with semi autos. You know as well as I do that gun control on the far left has nothing to do with people getting killed nor do they give 2 shuts about any of the victims. So again, what ya gonna do about the people problem?
 
>Long time watcher first time poster.
>To answer this in my
>opinion had it not been
>an ar ,sure not as
>many would have been shot.
>But on the other hand
>how hard would it be
>to have some other means
>of mass casualties. Things like
>the devision between sportsman will
>be the falling of us.
>Yes everyone has the answer
>but I believe that none
>of us really do, we
>just sit behind a keyboard
>and act like we have
>answers. What has anyone on
>this site done to be
>proactive? At what point will
>we be safe? When all
>ar style guns are
>banned? Good luck with that,
>I'm not saying ar guns
>will keep us safe but
>at what point will bans
>keep us safe? Sure we
>ban them great, what do
>we do when the next
>shooting happens with a shotguns,
>handgun or Hell a bomb
>or whatever else what do
>we ban? I just don't
>see how this will help.
>And Just to clarify I
>don't own an ar nore
>do I want or need
>one. I just am being
>realistic bans will do nothing,
>bad people will find a
>way it doesn't matter and
>there is no proof they
>wouldn't. Anyone can disagree that's
>the beauty of our country
>we can disagree but at
>what point do we weakens
>because we have no unity
>and everyone against us does.
>

I can't find anyone on this site who has said a ban is the answer. The issue is that if there isn't an open and honest discussion we will lose. The majority of Americans who are disgusted by these mass events out number NRA. Only 1.5% of the population are NRA members and only about 6% of gun owners belong to the NRA, yet they set the gun agenda. At some point they will lose and we will be collateral damage.

How do you propose to unify if there is a lunatic fringe? In order to unite the choice can't be between confiscation and NRA fanatics.
 
> What difference does it make
>if the Air Force screwed
>up ? guns don't
>kill people people kill people
>right ?
>now you're saying keeping guns
>out of peoples hands can
>make a difference ?
>I'm confused.
>
> You and the NRA are
>against a better background check
>system because you say it
>won't work and it may
>prevent some good folks from
>buying a gun. ( and
>therefore hurt profits ).
>but now you're saying the
>background check failed and that's
>why this happened. I'm
>so confused.
>
>
>
>
>Stay Thirsty My Friends

The air force department or person who failed to enter this nuts criminal record into the database killed these people. I'm seein big lawsuits.


#livelikezac
 
Good question. I think we need a moderate gun organization to speak for the majority of gun owners who possess common sense. the problem I see is just like the political parties it's only radicals who get involved and raise their voice. and that's our fault for letting them set the tone.


Opiebuttpirate , you still haven't answered my question . how many less dead would there be had he used a bolt, lever single shot? and how many would it take to matter to you?

You say you're not a Rambo want to be. so what makes you think the rambo's are part of the solution and not part of the problem? would you defend them if they had rocket launchers they didn't want to give up? is that your fight? using supreme court decisions as case law define the difference. I will use the Heller decision as the definition of what weapons we CAN possess and save you the trouble. you show where we can possess Rambo chit if you would.
















Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
So you're saying there is no way he could have got his hands on the " bad biatch " had he not been able to legally buy it?









Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
How do you sue the Air Force for not entering data? There is a federal law, called the Federal Torts Claims Act, which specifically prohibits "any claim arising out of assault, battery, false imprisonment, false arrest, malicious prosecution, abuse of process, libel, slander, misrepresentation, deceit, or interference with contract right."

The service member is immune from any law suit and the Air Force has blanket immunity.

So Ocho asked a question: Do back ground checks work or not? If they don't then why would it matter what the Air Force did or didn't do. If they do work then why oppose better more stringent back ground checks? You can't have it both ways.


Nemont
 
would less people have died had it been a bolt action?

of course less people would have died.

My question:

How could the federal government help the situation?


I don't think they can. I think prevention will have to fall on the people, business's, etc.
 
stupid how the media and libs are more focused on the "how" than the "why" these acts of terrorism occur. interesting how the media latches on to gun violence but moves on really quick from the NY terrorist who mowed down folks with a vehicle. libs can't wait to throw their gun control card out every chance they get. I still believe all this is by design.
 
It appears the motive was killing his inlaws. good luck fixing that.


So if we agree less would have died with a bolt action rifle the solution is simple. sell no more Rambo chit. the rifles used in these killings were manufactured and sold since the '94 ban expired. anyone with a firing brain cell would agree a clown like this would not have owned his " bad biatch " had that ban stayed in place. pre-94 Rambo guns would cost as much as a house today.

The argument will be yeah, but the ban did expire and millions of man cards are out there today. that's true, so the question is was phuking up in 2004 a good reason to let it get worse now?


What it really amounts to if Rambo is honest is he wants his man card. if people extra have to die well that's a price he's willing to pay. he's tried nothing and it hasn't worked. what else can you ask ?



Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
>stupid how the media and libs
>are more focused on the
>"how" than the "why" these
>acts of terrorism occur.
>interesting how the media latches
>on to gun violence but
>moves on really quick from
>the NY terrorist who mowed
>down folks with a vehicle.
>libs can't wait to throw
>their gun control card out
>every chance they get.
>I still believe all this
>is by design.

The liberal media moved on from the Vegas shooting at the same speed them moved on from the NY Terrorist story, is that by design as well? Why does everything have to be a big conspiracy for some people?

Nemont
 
> It appears the motive was
>killing his inlaws. good
>luck fixing that.
>
>
> So if we agree less
>would have died with a
>bolt action rifle the solution
>is simple. sell no
>more Rambo chit.
>the rifles used in these
>killings were manufactured and sold
>since the '94 ban expired.
> anyone with a
>firing brain cell would agree
>a clown like this would
>not have owned his "
>bad biatch " had that
>ban stayed in place.
>pre-94 Rambo guns would cost
>as much as a house
>today.
>
>The argument will be yeah,
>but the ban did expire
>and millions of man cards
>are out there today.
>that's true, so the
>question is was phuking up
>in 2004 a good reason
>to let it get
>worse now?
>
>
>What it really amounts to if
>Rambo is honest is he
>wants his man card. if
>people extra have to die
>well that's a price he's
>willing to pay.
>he's tried nothing and it
>hasn't worked. what else
>can you ask ?
>
>
>
>Stay Thirsty My Friends

Guess what kind of gun stopped the bad guy with the Rambo gun Lennie?


#livelikezac
 
Round 2

>So Ocho asked a question:
>Do back ground checks work
>or not? If they
>don't then why would it
>matter what the Air Force
>did or didn't do.
> If they do work
>then why oppose better more
>stringent back ground checks?
> You can't have it
>both ways.
>
>
>Nemont
 
>Round 2
>
>>So Ocho asked a question:
>>Do back ground checks work
>>or not? If they
>>don't then why would it
>>matter what the Air Force
>>did or didn't do.
>> If they do work
>>then why oppose better more
>>stringent back ground checks?
>> You can't have it
>>both ways.
>>
>>
>>Nemont

No, not 100% of the time. No law works 100% of the time. If laws worked 100% of the time we wouldn't need Leo's, prisons or the court system. Because they don't work 100% of the time I need to be afforded the ability to protect and take care of me and mine. Had the Air Force done their job the background check would have worked in this instance, unfortunately they did not do their job . Check the link feddoc posted in the campfire.


#livelikezac
 
You want an improvement to the background check? Allow Mental Health issues to be entered into the federal database. If you're taking drugs because you're mentally unstable you shouldn't be allowed to purchase. I believe HIPAA laws currently prevent this.



#livelikezac
 
> It appears the motive was
>killing his inlaws. good
>luck fixing that.
>
>
>
>
>Stay Thirsty My Friends

Exactly no ban will stop this.


#livelikezac
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-07-17 AT 02:26PM (MST)[p]http://www.wfaa.com/mobile/article/news/crime/sutherland-springs-shooting/texas-church-shooter-previously-escaped-mental-health-institution-while-facing-military-charges/287-489923061


Exactly how many red flags are necessary? Background checks do not work if data is not entered. What medications was he on?


#livelikezac
 
I agree with mental health being attached to background checks, but how far would the left push that one. Research how to own a gun in Israel. I kinda like their system.
 
>I agree with mental health being
>attached to background checks, but
>how far would the left
>push that one.

Sad but true.


#livelikezac
 
The majority of our mass shootings have been committed by Jihad terrorists or persons with a history of mental problems.
We need to stop selling firearms to non citizens and we need to add information into the background check on people who come to the attention of law enforcement or mental health workers who could be a danger to themselves or others.
Liberals are against listing people with mental health problems due to an invasion of their privacy.
Also we need to change the court case dealing with lying on the 4473 form when asked if you have prior felony conviction or been treated for mental health issues. When I was in law enforcement I recall a case where a court ruled that a ex-felon could not be charged with perjury for lying about his felony arrest as it was a violation of his 5th. amendment rights on self incrimination.

Liberal politicians will tell you that making these changes will not work due to their goal of TOTAL BAN AND CONFISCATION.

RELH
 
The majority are by jihad terrorists and crazy folks huh? why don't you break that down for us ? if you're going to make a claim back it up. let's see if we can blame this on ragheads and mental patients by defining " most " .

How many were ragheads? how many were diagnosed batchits ? and how many were just simply killers? do tell.









Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
>The majority are by jihad terrorists
>and crazy folks huh?
> why don't you break
>that down for us ?
>if you're going to make
>a claim back it up.
> let's see if we
>can blame this on ragheads
>and mental patients by defining
>" most " .
>
> How many were ragheads?
>how many were diagnosed batchits
>? and how many
>were just simply killers? do
>tell.
>
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>Stay Thirsty My Friends

Lol.....

#livelikezac
 
So you can simply be a mass killer or plain killer without being batchit, diagnosed or not? Killing someone in such fashion automatically qualifies you I would say.

Your sensational appetite for argument has destroyed your ability to have an original rational thought or discussion. As I've said, we have a people problem. Crazy is a toxic combination of emotions with no ability to rationalize any of them. I'm sure not selling semi auto's will cure the massive mental health issue quickly tho and the killing will stop? Do tell
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-07-17 AT 04:39PM (MST)[p] We have a people problem huh ? wow you're an Einstein. okay we agree, so what are you going to do about it? what will you do that doesn't violate more rights for all gun owners than cutting off a type of weapon we have no confirmed right to in the first place ?


I would accept a mental evaluation before anyone could buy a gun. is that what you want ? your NRA is against it. so now what? the gun shop owner can decide who crazy and who's not? the lawyers will make bank on that. and of course since they're so plentiful and cheap let's not pretend a legal sale is the only way to get a man card.


So what is your solution ? do we keep pumping out those " bad biatch's " for the batchits until you figure it out ?


If I'm not rational then Gerald Ford and Reagan were not either because I'm saying the EXACT SAME THING they did. things are 10 times worse now than when they supported the '94 ban so give some thought as to who's out on a limb here.

The more you know..

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19940505&slug=1908876






Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
How Bout it dude?

A BLACK GUN stopped the Bad Guy?

WTF?








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A GUT SHOT at 1,700 Yards will Still Make Some Good BRAGGIN Rights so I Can Say I At Least Hit Him!


90087hankjr.jpg
 
Gotta Give the Guy with the AR And Johnny with the Truck to Get this LOWLIFE BASTARD Stopped!









Back Me Off to 1,700 Yards,650 is a Little Close & I'm Not Comfortable with it!

A GUT SHOT at 1,700 Yards will Still Make Some Good BRAGGIN Rights so I Can Say I At Least Hit Him!


90087hankjr.jpg
 
I carry an old 264 win mag in my pickup. if I had hit his leg it would have been gone. if I hit his torso it would have had a hole you could fit a boot in. there wouldn't have been any high speed chase if I'd have hit Rambo where this guy did.

The man card was the only gun that could have done the job ? WTF ever.















Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
Oh boy! a Rambo hero hiding behind his computer screen. Some how Dude, I doubt you would have engaged the shooter.

RELH
 
No he would have tried to calm him down with a plate of carrots, which would have made it into his mouth before the shooter could have some.

"We don't have a gun problem we have prescription drug problem."
 
> I carry an old 264
>win mag in my pickup.
> if I had hit
>his leg it would have
>been gone. if I hit
>his torso it would have
>had a hole you could
>fit a boot in.
>there wouldn't have been any
>high speed chase if I'd
>have hit Rambo where this
>guy did.
>
>The man card was the only
>gun that could have done
>the job ? WTF
>ever.
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>Stay Thirsty My Friends

So?

You Have the Gun?

How bout the Courage to Stop the Guy with the BLACK GUN?

JUDAS!








Back Me Off to 1,700 Yards,650 is a Little Close & I'm Not Comfortable with it!

A GUT SHOT at 1,700 Yards will Still Make Some Good BRAGGIN Rights so I Can Say I At Least Hit Him!


90087hankjr.jpg
 
> I carry an old 264
>win mag in my pickup.
> if I had hit
>his leg it would have
>been gone. if I hit
>his torso it would have
>had a hole you could
>fit a boot in.
>there wouldn't have been any
>high speed chase if I'd
>have hit Rambo where this
>guy did.
>
>The man card was the only
>gun that could have done
>the job ? WTF
>ever.
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>Stay Thirsty My Friends

So?

Let me get what You're Sayin Right?

The AR's are No Good & Helpless in your Eyes?

They only Wound People?

All Other times you're F'N Petrified of AR's!

You're gonna have to SPLAIN that?

Even if You Had Been there with your 264 you'd of Run the Opposite Direction with your Tail Between your Legs!












Back Me Off to 1,700 Yards,650 is a Little Close & I'm Not Comfortable with it!

A GUT SHOT at 1,700 Yards will Still Make Some Good BRAGGIN Rights so I Can Say I At Least Hit Him!


90087hankjr.jpg
 
Simple doesn't even begin to describe you does it?

I didn't say Rambo chit doesn't work. I said you don't need one to stop a bad guy.

You don't need a man card to kill people either. but they're sure as hell a lot better of mass murder is something you're interested in. why do you think they're the batchit's go to weapon ?


Your man card brother could have walked into that church with
my old M70 and blown 4 kids in half. then as he opened the bolt and pulled 3 shells from his pocket, put them in the magazine and closed the bolt I would assume someone in the crowd would rush him.


So we're not talking stopping all gun violence are we ? we're talking about minimizing it. 4 dead folks vs 26 dead folks, is it a math problem or a compassion problem for you ?







Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
I think everyone is pretty clear on your take on "Rambo chit". The question I have is on your claim to be the compassion king. If it's so , why have I not read a word on the thousands of victims & loved ones of alcohol related deaths every year? Dead is dead & the grief to those left behind is the same regardless of how many or how it happens. We have a local Native American in our community going to trial for beating a foster child toddler to death over a long period of time while she was abusing alcohol & drugs. Care to address that issue for us? As you've said, it's a simple obvious fix. How much of that are you gonna tolerate while you search for the bottom of the crown bottle nightly? Compassion is not selective my friend.
 
Apples and Tuesday. if you think you can solve these problems go for it. good luck we've been trying to stop drug abuse for years and we tried banning alcohol and that didn't go too well. but it's nice to see you give a FF about something.


Rambo chit on the other hand we've only tried one thing for 10 years and it helped. since then we've tried nothing and it's many many times worse.


You won't talk about Ford and Reagan and how they were wrong and you're right. why is that? what has changed to the 2nd amendment ? are there less mass shootings today? do we value life less ? I know clowns who worship Reagan to this day and when I ask them this question they have a blank look on their face . just as you no doubt do right now .

So why is it Reagan and I dumbchits and you're so wise ? amuse me with your stupidity and disingenuous excuses.



Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
"In the past two years, sharp homicide increases in Chicago and other places that have been large enough to elevate the national statistics. According to the FBI's raw numbers, the tally of U.S. homicides involving guns rose to nearly 11,000 last year, from about 9,600 the year before."

"The CDC also reported a continued increase in the death rate from drug overdoses, which hit 20 per 100,000 last year, up from 16 the year before. Heroin and other opioids are driving the deadliest drug epidemic in U.S. history."

an assult weaponds ban is just liberal propaganda garbage. I still believe many of these mass shootings are by design. besides, more kids are dying from drugs than guns, maybe we should outlaw drugs. oh wait, they are illegal.
 
Mass shootings are up. man cards are the common weapon used. those are facts you cannot deny.

Why was Reagan wrong ? simple question and it deserves a no bullchit answer.












Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
> Apples and Tuesday. if
>you think you can solve
>these problems go for it.
> good luck we've been
>trying to stop drug abuse
>for years and we tried
>banning alcohol and that didn't
>go too well. but
>it's nice to see you
>give a FF about something.
>
>
>
> Rambo chit on the other
>hand we've only tried one
>thing for 10 years and
>it helped. since then
>we've tried nothing and it's
>many many times worse.
>
>
> You won't talk about Ford
>and Reagan and how they
>were wrong and you're right.
> why is that?
> what has changed to
>the 2nd amendment ? are
>there less mass shootings today?
> do we value life
>less ?
>I know clowns who worship
>Reagan to this day and
>when I ask them this
>question they have a blank
>look on their face .
>just as you no doubt
>do right now .
>
> So why is it Reagan
>and I dumbchits and you're
>so wise ? amuse
>me with your stupidity and
>disingenuous excuses.
>
>
>
>Stay Thirsty My Friends

So small scale gun violence is acceptable and so is massive drug/alcohol abuse issues because things you like are associated with it? Talk about stupidity and disingenuous!

I could care less if they ban Rambo chit or not personally but I know the mass killing trend will morph into another creative way to kill lots of people. Personally I think using a gun of any kind for mass casualty is weak at best. I can think of many ways to have greater results. Then what? Again we have a people problem. You can treat the symptoms but it will never cure the disease.

As for Reagan, I understand and respect his opinions on the subject but it's just that. I would think much tougher restrictions and guidelines for a semi auto purchase and ownership might be a reasonable compromise.
 
Lets see. it's estmated that there are over 100 million legally owned assault type weapons in the US yet they are involved in gun crimes less than 2% of the time. In this past weekends incident the govt dropped the ball on laws in place that would of worked just like any ban. So no I don't agree with your idea that your fixing anything when it comes to violence & murder. Your just penalizing law abiding people is all and maybe or maybe not solving anything. Stealing or acquiring "Rambo chit" wouldnt be hard if your hell bent on committing murder. 99.9% of mass murder is premeditated so buying used or stealing doesn't derail the plan for most of these psychopaths.

As for Reagan, he had an emotional based reason for supporting it and i respect his right to do that but I don't agree. His incident was another lunatic that fell through the cracks and should of been in a psych ward. Its a feel good law at best. Like I said, checks like the one necessary to purchase and own a suppressor would be just as effective.

What exactly falls into the 440 gun ban anyway? 10/22,remington 7400,semi auto handguns,semi auto shotguns? Elaborate on the ban and what safeguards are in place to keep the loony left from snowballing gun control for reasons other than people killing each other. Obviously they dont give two phucks about that because you never hear a peep about it in all these progressive demorat run cities other than they are victims of racial and income inequality. So lets have it genius, show me the plan and the numbers until then you can STFU as well.
 
Rather than ask stupid questions why don't you educate yourself before you know it all.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban


If getting shot makes you see things different does that make you wrong? if jews don't like getting on rail road cattle cars does that make them wrong? or do they know something you don't ?


You didn't answer my question. if Reagan was wrong explain why.






Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
I think I did answer your question. I think a better background check system is just as effective as a ban. You know the "common sense" gun laws that your socialist heros flap their lying lips about every chance they get? Your the one that never answers questions because you have no answers or an original idea.

I'm all for checks and keeping volatile mental unstable people from buying firearms. If that's not good enough for you and you feel like your saving the world by banning guns used in less than 2% of crimes and accept the rest I feel sorry for you. Enjoy your crown tonight while somebody's kids & wife are wiped out tonight by an alcoholic like yourself driving a car. Stay thirsty my drunk friend!?
 
I'd Bet Money the CROWN Related Deaths out number Gun Related Deaths By a BIG Percentage!

You wanna Lose some Money on a F'N Bet dude?








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90087hankjr.jpg
 
> It wasn't simply his opinion
>at a tea and crumpet
>party it was his stand
>and he endorsed the '94
>ban. either Reagan was
>wrong or he was right.
> I asked for
>a no bullchit answer, if
>you think he was wrong
>explain why. if you think
>he was right STFU and
>stop making an idiot of
>yourself.
>
>
>
> Even Trumpkin's are saying WTF.
>
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>
>http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/t...ifles-like-texas-shooter-used/article/2639869
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He was wrong, and he was even more wrong when he turned the Loonies out of the Looney bin. Bans have little impact. You said yourself he was crazy and goin after his inlaws, how do you stop that? Next?


#livelikezac
 
God this argument get old after a while. There is very few people in this country that are willing to be honest with themselves and admit that they really don't give a flying phuk about the deaths of people. There are lots of things that are illegal yet cause death on a daily basis. There are also lots of things that are legal and regulated that cause quite a bit of death too and guess what... nobody gives much of a chit.

Alcohol is a perfect example of this. In California, you can't buy alcohol between 2:00 am and 6:00 am. Does anyone really think that this 4 hour window of not being able to buy liquor saves many lives? Hell no but it makes people feel good about trying to stop DUI's without the banning of alcohol. So people look the other way when a drunk leaves the bar at 1:45 am and plows into a family of 5 on their way to Disneyland.

Nobody ever calls for a limit on the amount of alcohol someone can purchase, as long as it's between the hours of 6:00 am and 2:00 am, who gives a shyt right? Nobody wants to ban alcohol because a very large percentage of the population consume alcohol, but banning alcohol would save thousands of lives. Nobody cares. It's not about the lives.

Regulations are a tool and like in this case, aren't always effective. Banning something because some libtard doesn't like it is bullshyt. I don't drink Crown Royal so maybe you shouldn't either if I think it will save lives. Meanwhile I'll drink all the beer I want. It's not apples and Tuesday, it's lives and for some reason when people die from alcohol it's okay but if they get shot, holy shyt we better get rid of the guns. Idiots!
 
It hasn't been brought up because I missed it and these mouthbreathers don't want to talk about it. well done. watch and see how they pretend it never came up.

Now they're turning from Hillary as their diversion to alcohol. anything to avoid whatever their losing battle at the time happens to be.

So we have one answer to why Reagan was wrong from the alt right " he was wrong " . of course he was wrong if you're a Bannon slurper.

I guess Reagan sucks is the only answer I'm going to get . exactly what I expected from this sorry lot of fake conservatives.












Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
Yet you won't give up your alcohol to save lives. You?re just a dishonest person who only cares about bashing the right. When you want to have a real discussion about saving lives then let's talk but until then you're just like Hollywood with your hypocritical rhetoric.
 
Nice try mouthbreather. but you forgot to blame Hillary in that off topic rant.


Exactly what would be in it for me to ban Rambo chit ? I'm a very tolerant person . have I ever said a word about why you shouldn't be able to marry your boyfriend ? no I have not. have I ever tried to tell a woman what her reproductive rights are ? no I have not. so what exactly is my motive for wanting to revive Reagan's ban ? do tell.


Better yet, care to tell us why Reagan was wrong?















Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
Your motivation is they are not your thing and your all about winning arguments on a stupid hunting forum and stick it to the jesus freak right wingers.

Reagan was wrong for the same reason your wrong. Banning scary looking guns that are used in less than 2% of gun crimes and the number of all guns in general are bought legally & used in a crime by the purchaser in less than 10% of cases. What are we really accomplishing here? Like I told you before it's a feel good gesture law that fixes very little. The fact that you are fine with people killed as long as it doesnt exceed the number you can put in your piece of ##### winchester and then chastise everyone here with a differing opinion of the issue makes me wanna puke! The real problems are too hard to fix so we will continue to screw the law abiding citizens to make yourselves look noble? As I said before, sensible and efficient backround checks and criminal data bases do as much or more than a scary gun ban.

You like to flap your big mouth about fake conservatives,wingnuts,stain slurpers(whatever any of that means)so why dont ya put your money where your mouth is. If your such a genius progressive why dont you start beating the drum for what they stand for instead of everything against conservative/libertarian viewpoints? Prove it and gfys is getting boring dude.

Ban & confiscate all guns. You know thats what they want so why dont ya get behind it?

Massive taxation and wealth redistribution. Start the ball rolling big mouth,start sending your money to the govt since you seem to think they know better what to do with the money. Better yet you should be more than willing to give up your dirt and means of production to them as well. You know,the greater good thing? Ive heard how you care soo much about the poor but then hire illegals and pay them peanuts to make you money?

How bout it bigmouth? I can go on and on here but I'm sure you know the platform. Or are you just a fake progressive that really is just a christian hater drunk behind a keyboard and a half gallon of crown? DO TELL!
 

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