Enlighten Me Evangelicals

Why should we care about the Embassy being in Jerusalem? Is the pending upheaval worth it?

it will be cheaper, just ask Ocho....................wait for it.

One reason and one reason only. because Trump wants chaos. why do retards lick windows and love pudding ? the answer to why Trump does what he does can be found in the same place.

This move if it happens at all will take years. lots of american money and lots of blood including American blood will be invested into it. for what? who knows.


Trump's staff as well as American jews and our allies in the region advised him against it. but this is what Trump does, phuk things up.







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No its just another example of finally having a leader with a set of balls and not an apologetic speech. This should have been done years ago. I believe the last vote by congress was unanimous that is should be recognized.

Muley_73,

What is gained by this action? No other country has an embassy there, the Israeli's consider Tel Aviv to be their capital.

Leaders generally consider the results and consequences of their actions and most want to do things that enhance the well being of those they are leading. How does this enhance things for those of us who believe the U.S. and our future well being should be first place?

Nemont

>One reason and one reason only.
>because Trump wants chaos. why
>do retards lick windows and
>love pudding ?
>the answer to why Trump
>does what he does can
>be found in the same
>place.
>
>This move if it happens at
>all will take years.
>lots of american money and
>lots of blood including American
>blood will be invested into
>it. for what?
>who knows.
>
>
>Trump's staff as well as American
>jews and our allies
>in the region advised him
>against it. but this
>is what Trump does, phuk
>things up.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Stay Thirsty My Friends
Your last President and Hillary created chaos didn't they ?

264,

Maybe you will answer. How does this move serve the long term interests of America? What do American citizens gain by this move? Why do Israeli's consider Tel Aviv their capital but we will move our embassy to Jerusalem?

Since you support Trump it should be an easy explanation for this action and why it helps America.

Nemont

No it was not unanimous. but it's good to see the goyim are happy a foreign government can make us tuck in our ears and beg like a dog.

The peace talks were going piss poor anyway because Israel wouldn't cooperate. this relieves them from needing to appear as if peace was an option . it's over.

So how much money is this worth? how many American lives is it worth? you know damn well this embassy with have the biggest bulls eye on it of any embassy of any nation of anywhere in the world. be prepared to rebuild and restaff it weekly. and it confirms the US is anti-muslim if the travel ban hadn't already.

If there was something to gain by this one might argue you have to do what you have to do. there is not. it will bring nothing but expense and bloodshed for everyone.

Notice how the dems are so quiet? it's the first dumb thing Trump's done they haven't come out in force against. why do you suppose that is? easy. Israel owns them too.








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The pope is a bad goyim. what does he know an orange puzzy grabbing fake Christian doesn't know ?



https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/a1794d...4746f4a3/ss_pope-tells-trump-to-'respect.html










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ocho,
Hmmmm aaaa yes it was. But that's ok he'll do what he want either way... like he's done.

Muley_73,

How does this action help American citizens in the long term? since you believe it is a good thing can you explain how this action makes Americans more secure, American taxpayers pay less to protect Israel and helps any American be more free and less burdened by Israel?


Nemont

It's none of that Nemont. Trump said he's doing it to appease the Evangelical vote. It's something about the Tribulation and how we need to protect the Eternal City of God. I'm just a Heathen that needs enlightened. Maybe Manny will stop by and explain it to me.

LAST EDITED ON Dec-06-17 AT 08:49PM (MST)[p]NE,
I feel lots better supporting a nation that will have our backs in the end. But hey we know the Dems are more about skimming money and funding nukes in enemy counties. Are you worried that their are going to be less tax dollars to feed mouths in Montana? I guess I can see where that could be a concern of yours. I get that your smart and well off but if that 40% gets restless that could make things sticky for you personally.

Sticky like dangerous situation not sticky like you and ocho on a "Milk River" whitetail hunt.

Israel will have our back you say? is that right?

How many troops has Israel dedicated to a US conflict since Israel was given to the jews and Palestinians in 1948 ?


Give us a number . this should be good.











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Lol, its not about the troops Ocho. Its about strategy and alleys. Kind of like your and NE snuggling. You feel safe together.

you're pathetic. you didn't know they've never helped us until you googled it did you? the more you know.




So you're saying it's good if we fund them and fight their battles because they make a hell of a coat holder. we don't need their troops, we have kids in America we can hire or draft why should a chosen one put themselves in danger ? leave the dying to us. you're the best goyim a master could ask for.









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LAST EDITED ON Dec-06-17 AT 11:50PM (MST)[p]Hunter1, I cannot speak for Evangelicals but this move only served to break with our government position over the status of Jerusalem and align it with Putin's desire.

http://thehill.com/policy/international/327673-russia-recognizes-jerusalem-as-israeli-capital

All things being pro-Russian in this administration it only reaffirms how desperate DUMP and the GOP have become.

Did you like President George Bush Sr.? Would you say given his past roles as Amb. China, Director of the CIA, and Vice President he was well versed in international affairs?

Every POTUS for the last 22 years..Bush, Clinton, Bush Jr, Obama have all suspended moving our Embassy to Jerusalem. We had up until today joined all the other nations of the world looking to answer a question that has lingered since 1949.

According to the original U.N. 2 State Plan from 1949 Jerusalem is envisioned as ?a corpus separatum under a special international regime" which falls under U.N. administration. If it is not that in status, then half of it by the very boundary lines drawn on the map are Palestinian territory.

http://www.mideastweb.org/ga303.htm


Hence, no nations have an Embassy in hopes of a "2 State Solution", a phrase apparently most do not understand. Even the UN asks nations to recognize pre-1967 Israeli border lines.

It has always seemed that Trump ran on this action as a part of his platform to appease the GOP/AIPAC and align his views with Putin.

Putin loves it as his relationships grows and expands with Israel daily. He sells tech to Israel and low grade weapons to every Anti-American player in the region. Putin knows such an action by the U.S. today will ensure instability in the region and complete abandonment of a 2 State Solution. Israel is a police state and acquired Jerusalem during the 1967 war, then occupied it. The control apparatus depends on an eternal state of war as Israel milks the super powers.

Israel plays both sides to the middle between the U.S. and Russia. The Israelis are not and have never been our friends. People forget there is a massive Russian population in Israel.

By placing an Embassy there we are by-action supporting Israel's occupation and their ability to walk away from a 2 State Solution. Now Vladimir will have a store front on one of the world's most dangerous corners...thanks Donald for helping out Russia.

Trump just burped up a bone to some of the most desperate lot in society..Evangelical bigots who eat up all forms of idiocy. After all the enemy of my enemy.

Pathetic? Google? No. This is nothing more than interweb entertainment for me. You and NE seem entertaining. You both automatically shiiit your pants with little effort of provoking. So no I didn't google I mostly just threw a quick response. Like you say stay thirty my friends...well I'm just sipping and smiling. Lol

The Putin thing is a good angle FTW but why did Congess decree this action in 95? It's all rooted in religion, on both sides.

Trump did it for the same reason Obama pulled out of Iraq and created ISIS. It's what his base wanted.

Muley_73

I see you are just another faker unable to articulate why this move is good for America. Like every phony on here when you cannot give a clear, well thought out and concise explanation about how this action helps America you resort to what your tiny little brain comes up with.

Why do you put Israel ahead of America?

Nemont

>Muley_73
>
>I see you are just another
>faker unable to articulate why
>this move is good for
>America. Like every phony
>on here when you cannot
>give a clear, well thought
>out and concise explanation about
>how this action helps America
>you resort to what your
>tiny little brain comes up
>with.
>
>Why do you put Israel ahead
>of America?
>
>Nemont
LMAOF!Such a fake question from a leftist loving fake conservative.

264,

Can you articulate a well thought out and compelling reason that this move helps America and more importantly is in the best interests of America's future security and well being?

I would love to hear an intelligent response to what should be a straight forward question. I won't hold my breath but if it is a smart move and good for America somebody on here should be able to reply with an adult answer.


Nemont

How about ##### or get off the pot. I watched the last four Presidents making a solemn promise to move the embassy. Typical BS politicians. Do it and get the Palestinians all stirred up and get something real. Let the Israelis deal with the fallout since they got their way. The democrats in Congress all voted to move the embassy years ago. Now Trump actually does it and everyone is all twisted up. It will take years to actually move it so their is time for the Palestinians to come to the table and try to get something agreed on. This has been going on since the Crusades. This is a move against Iran.

LAST EDITED ON Dec-07-17 AT 08:35AM (MST)[p]Here's a little enlightenment. but Nemont Jerusalem has always been the capitol of Israel and it's a well documented fact but here's an explanation why so many think differently. Ocho try to open your mind and see what a different perspective with documented facts can bring to your bigoted soul.

The guy that wrote this was the guy they wanted to oppose Trump from the never Trumpers. Here's a little perspective for the lost souls of bigotry.... I'm sure Ocho is much better informed than a man with a juris doctorate. By the way Jeb Bush congratulated Trump on his decision seems bigotry may be falling out of vogue with a fresh perspective. No body said change would be easy but change is necessary especially in the middle east.

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by DAVID FRENCH December 6, 2017 2:08 PM @DAVIDAFRENCH


By moving America?s embassy to Jerusalem, the U.S. confronts the bigoted double standards of the international community. President Trump?s decision to formally recognize that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel and to announce plans to move America?s embassy to the seat of Israel?s government is one of the best, most moral, and important decisions of his young administration.

On this issue, he is demonstrating greater resolve than Republican and Democratic presidents before him, and he is defying some of the worst people in the world. Think I'm overstating this? Think I'm too enthusiastic about an isolated diplomatic maneuver ? especially when that maneuver, to quote the New York Times, ?isolates the U.S.? and ?has drawn a storm of criticism from Arab and European leaders??

Let's consider some law, history, and context. First, sovereign nations are entitled to name their capital, and it is the near-universal practice of other nations to locate their embassies in that same capital. I say ?near-universal? because the nations of the world have steadfastly refused to recognize Israel?s capital. They?ve steadfastly placed their embassies outside of Jerusalem. They do so in spite of the Jewish people?s ancient connection to the City of David and in spite of the fact that no conceivable peace settlement would turn over the seat of Israel?s government to Palestinian control ? even if parts of East Jerusalem are reserved for a Palestinian capital. Israel?s government sits on Israeli land, and it will remain Israeli land. Yet the international community condemns America for recognizing reality, for treating Israel the way the world treats every other nation. Why?

From the birth of the modern nation-state of Israel, an unholy mixture of anti-Semites and eliminationists have both sought to drive the Jewish people into the sea and ? when military measures failed ? isolate the Jewish nation diplomatically, militarily, and culturally. Working through the U.N. and enabled by Soviet-bloc (and later) European allies, these anti-Semites and eliminationists have waged unrelenting ?lawfare? against Israel. (Lawfare is the abuse of international law and legal processes to accomplish military objectives that can't be achieved on the battlefield.)

The scam works like this: The U.N. and other international bodies establish rules that apply only to Israel, or they hold Israel to higher standards than any other nation on earth; then, when Israel (or its primary ally, America) object to those unjust rules and double standards, the Arab world threatens unrest, riots, or, at worst, renewed jihad. A cowardly European community goes along, perpetuating injustice in the name of ?stability.? The examples are legion. Time and again the U.N. Human Rights Council and the U.N. General Assembly dedicate more resolutions to condemning Israel than the rest of the world?s nations combined.

The world?s Islamic countries vote in unified lockstep against Israel, in spite of the fact that many of these countries are thousands of miles from the Middle East. They?re often motivated by vile anti-Semitic bias, and their populations are shot-through with bigotry. According to a 2013 Anti-Defamation League survey, a whopping 74 percent of North African and Middle Eastern residents registered anti-Semitic beliefs. Even 61 percent of far-away Malaysians have anti-Semitic attitudes.

The U.N., moreover, adjusted its definition of refugees for the special and sole benefit of Palestinians. Contrary to conventional international law, the U.N. treats the descendants of Palestinian war refugees as refugees themselves. Thus, incredibly, the population of Palestinian ?refugees? from the 1948 and 1967 conflicts is growing. The result is a perpetual, unique, and artificial crisis, one that is designed specifically to place pressure on one nation on planet Earth: Israel.

When it comes to the scrutiny placed on the Israeli military, one hardly knows where to begin. The IDF takes greater care than any other actively engaged military in the world (including the U.S.) to avoid civilian casualties. Its routine conduct of military operations goes above and beyond the requirements of the law of armed conflict. By contrast, Israel?s terrorist opponents violate the law of armed conflict not just as a matter of course but as a matter of strategy. They target civilians on purpose. They use human shields. They hide weapons in civilian locations like mosques and hospitals. Yet when armed conflict breaks out, the anti-Semitic legions cheer Hamas and condemn the IDF.

The bottom line is that to be Israeli in the world is to face unique challenges. In international competitions, athletes will sometimes forfeit rather than compete against Israelis. Universities will impose sanctions on Israeli academics that they'll impose on no one else. You?ll find yourself barred from entering numerous countries. And when defenders of these double standards bleat about ?Israeli occupation,? remember that they don't impose the same penalties on nations with far worse records on human rights.

That, friends, is textbook anti-Semitism. If ?stability? means the perpetuation of double standards, the isolation of Israel, and continued kowtowing to threats of violence, then it's time to call the Arabs? bluff. If ?stability? means the perpetuation of double standards, the isolation of Israel, and continued kowtowing to threats of violence, then it's time to call the Arabs? bluff.

If the most powerful nation in the history of the world doesn't have the moral strength to even properly recognize Israel?s capital, it gives aid and comfort to those who impose unique burdens on the Jewish state. Will America?s Arab allies ? nations that depend on our alliances to confront a growing Iranian threat ? forsake their own national security to protest an embassy location? It's time to find out. The Trump administration has made the right move. Now let's see how the bigots respond.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/454406/jerusalem-embassy-trump-fights-anti-semitism

Boskee,

Thanks for the article.

I think everyone can agree that Israel has many enemies and has a right to protect itself. I think all should agree that Israel has a right to exist. Couple of questions though:

Why does the IDF's conduct of it's combat operations matter to American security and well being?

Why is anti-semitism a basis for American involvement in moving our embassy to Jerusalem? Why isn't Anti Americanism the very first and foremost reason for conducting our national foreign policy? Anti-semitism and anti Americanism are often mutually exclusive. Why more weight given to Anti-Semitism?

If bigotry is the basis for our foreign policy decisions and actions then we have a lot of making up to do in Africa. Yet I see no such demand for that? Why only Israel?

Nemont

Anti-semite, the term Zionists always use as a defense for there own racism. are you aware Palestinians are semites you anti-semites ?

The reason congress passed the move is because Israel instructed them to . the reason no president has done it is because they didn't want the chit mess that will result on their watch. and hell, maybe, just maybe they actually care about human life and wanted a peaceful resolution.



Trump just gave Israel what it wanted. ending all hope for peace or the future of the Palestinian people. we will pay a price , the least you Zionists could do is tell us why it's worth it.








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Please tell us how much time has been peaceful in the past. Never was and doubt it ever will. Stop worrying about the Palestinians and let them deal with their issues. Hamas will never be an ally of America and the Israelis have been solid for us. Screw the Palestinians.

Lol, yes 73 sorry.

>Please tell us how much time
>has been peaceful in the
>past. Never was and doubt
>it ever will. Stop worrying
>about the Palestinians and let
>them deal with their issues.
>Hamas will never be an
>ally of America and the
>Israelis have been solid for
>us. Screw the Palestinians.


Glen,

Can you explain exactly how Israel has been "solid" for us? Like give some examples of how Israel has helped advance American security and American interests around the world?

Thanks,

Nemont

We don't have enough problems already with Iran and north korea so what we really need is to create problems for no reason whatsoever.


But on the up side, this is taking heat off our comrade's Putie problems.












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Och,
Who created the problems with North Korea?

Indeed Nemont, please Glen for I too am interested.

Testing

This thread won't let me post but my test worked so here goes again. The Israelis have always had our backs with the best intel and spy networks in the world. They can't fight the ragheads on the ground. Now Nemont tell us the last time Paletinian/Hamas helped out America. They want your head and your grandkids heads on a fence post.

LAST EDITED ON Dec-08-17 AT 08:18AM (MST)[p]So because Israel spies both on us and for us we should put Israel?s interests ahead of our own?

If they do us a solid always why have they treated ISIS and Al Qaeda fighters from Syria that we are fighting?

Nemont

Glen the question bin Laden answered, and you should ask your masters is this, if not for our undying love and support for Israel with chit like Trump just pulled how much fighting would we be doing with the ragheads?

You don't think chitting in the arabs mouths and waving a jew flag might cause a little heartburn ?


This may answer a lot of the why that nobody seems to have an answer for. the orange man is tossing the freaks in his base a bone, and an out from a failing presidency. if you can't stop Mueller get beamed up right ?


https://www.upi.com/Top_News/Voices...salem-move-as-key-to-end-times/3971512739572/




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You are both illiterate. I can't figure out what you are trying to say.

You do know what illiterate means correct?

Why do you believe it is the best course of action for Americans to put Israel ahead of America? Fairly easy to read that question.

If it is important and vital to American interest regarding moving our embassy to Jerusalem you would think the supporters of the move would have well thought out and compelling reason for it other than, "Israel has done us a solid". What vital interest of America are served by this move?

If the answer is that it appeases some Israeli's but does nothing to make America's place in the world safer, our foreign policy more credible or enhance our Economy, security and well being in some way then it isn't in American interests at all. It is purely putting Israel ahead of America.

So let's hear how this move does something positive for America because it doesn't change anything in regards to what some Palistinian wanted to do to my grand children, in fact it makes us less safe when we travel anywhere in the world now. I guess if that is what you going for you are winning but you just pi@@ed on Americans in order to put Israel first.

Nemont

It's hard to say what Glen is thinking most of the time he's in that orange glow. but I know one thing he's thinking, he wants no part of doubling our bet.

I tried to find something Israel did for us that wasn't self serving and I came up empty. but they did relieve us of some sailors and a ship we didn't need I guess.

https://www.military.com/daily-news...-still-plays-down-israels-attack-on-ship.html







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I did double our bet.

Glen,
Do you believe God will show up again sometime in Israel?

He showed up this week, you didn't see the orange god in a beanie cap kissing wall ?


So what is our bet Glen ? you dodged my offers so many times I've lost track of what they were. 2 bathides on Trump to be reelected, is that it ?












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What's A Goy To Do ?

It ain't easy being goyim.


You made a bunch of masters happy in Israel, and pissed of a bunch of chosen ones here. when you cave to foreign interests and lobbys it doesn't always translate into votes.

Still the bought and paid for libs are not saying much, a little squeaking but no screaming. being good goys is about the only thing congress can agree on. sad sad chit is all you can say.


http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...studies-scholars-sign-petition-opposing-trump















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RE: What's A Goy To Do ?

I am not a religious man so I have no idea when and where God will show up but I know he will cast liberals down if there is such a thing.

RE: What's A Goy To Do ?

LAST EDITED ON Dec-09-17 AT 09:03AM (MST)[p]^^^lol@Glen^^^

If the question is in reference to the Bible then yes, God is going to ride some kind river back to Jerusalem. It also says Jerusalem belongs to his chosen people the Jews.

#MAGA