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2lumpy
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LAST EDITED ON Dec-19-17 AT 02:05PM (MST)[p]It was damn painful to watch. Poor devils, wow.
That should have been as easy a ringing a bell but they just had to tie a 100 pound boulder to it and try to shove it through knothole.
We "rugged individualist" are our own worst enemy.
DC
That should have been as easy a ringing a bell but they just had to tie a 100 pound boulder to it and try to shove it through knothole.
We "rugged individualist" are our own worst enemy.
DC
NeMont
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If you don't like how the debate went in the House, you probably don't want to watch the Senate debate. Mitch has the votes for sure but the passage is going to still look like a knife edge. Pence is avoiding Israel for a reason. He may be needed to break the tie.
One reason that it is so tough for the GOP to get the tax bill passed is due to how unpopular the tax bill among the people who the GOP claims it would help.
I know here in mm.com world there is a belief that polling doesn't matter but it does in congress. Many members of the GOP are not liking the whole deal.
Nemont
PS Breaking news: it hast got to a re-vote in the House due to provisions that would violate Senate budget rules.
http://www.wral.com/the-latest-trump-relishes-likelihood-of-tax-cut-passage/17199259/
One reason that it is so tough for the GOP to get the tax bill passed is due to how unpopular the tax bill among the people who the GOP claims it would help.
I know here in mm.com world there is a belief that polling doesn't matter but it does in congress. Many members of the GOP are not liking the whole deal.
Nemont
PS Breaking news: it hast got to a re-vote in the House due to provisions that would violate Senate budget rules.
http://www.wral.com/the-latest-trump-relishes-likelihood-of-tax-cut-passage/17199259/
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LAST EDITED ON Dec-19-17 AT 05:07PM (MST)[p]It ain't just the tax bill Ne, my party couldn't decide to use two squares or one to wipe their butt.
How in hell can you govern against a group that will agree, to a person, to cut a fetus out of a living human, when you behave like a house full of feral cats?
Watching them just pisses me off beyond anyrhing I can describe.
If passing a tax bill like this is like sh!ting a peach pit how in hell will they ever get immigration reform, health care reform, or any orher significant reform passed!
We Repybli-can't are Ridiculous!
DC
How in hell can you govern against a group that will agree, to a person, to cut a fetus out of a living human, when you behave like a house full of feral cats?
Watching them just pisses me off beyond anyrhing I can describe.
If passing a tax bill like this is like sh!ting a peach pit how in hell will they ever get immigration reform, health care reform, or any orher significant reform passed!
We Repybli-can't are Ridiculous!
DC
eelgrass
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>LAST EDITED ON Dec-19-17
>AT 05:07?PM (MST)
>
>It ain't just the tax bill
>Ne, my party couldn't decide
>to use two squares or
>one to wipe their butt.
>
>
>How in hell can you govern
>against a group that will
>agree, to a person, to
>cut a fetus out of
>a living human, when you
>behave like a house full
>of feral cats?
>
>Watching them just pisses me off
>beyond anyrhing I can describe.
>
>
>If passing a tax bill like
>this is like sh!ting a
>peach pit how in hell
>will they ever get immigration
>reform, health care reform, or
>any orher significant reform passed!
>
>
>We Repybli-can't are Ridiculous!
>
>DC
No kidding, its unbelievable. At some point the nation is going to be forced to address some entitlement spending cuts. You ain't seen nothing yet...as the saying goes.
>AT 05:07?PM (MST)
>
>It ain't just the tax bill
>Ne, my party couldn't decide
>to use two squares or
>one to wipe their butt.
>
>
>How in hell can you govern
>against a group that will
>agree, to a person, to
>cut a fetus out of
>a living human, when you
>behave like a house full
>of feral cats?
>
>Watching them just pisses me off
>beyond anyrhing I can describe.
>
>
>If passing a tax bill like
>this is like sh!ting a
>peach pit how in hell
>will they ever get immigration
>reform, health care reform, or
>any orher significant reform passed!
>
>
>We Repybli-can't are Ridiculous!
>
>DC
No kidding, its unbelievable. At some point the nation is going to be forced to address some entitlement spending cuts. You ain't seen nothing yet...as the saying goes.
NeMont
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>LAST EDITED ON Dec-19-17
>AT 05:07?PM (MST)
>
>It ain't just the tax bill
>Ne, my party couldn't decide
>to use two squares or
>one to wipe their butt.
>
>
>How in hell can you govern
>against a group that will
>agree, to a person, to
>cut a fetus out of
>a living human, when you
>behave like a house full
>of feral cats?
>
>Watching them just pisses me off
>beyond anyrhing I can describe.
>
>
>If passing a tax bill like
>this is like sh!ting a
>peach pit how in hell
>will they ever get immigration
>reform, health care reform, or
>any orher significant reform passed!
>
>
>We Repybli-can't are Ridiculous!
>
>DC
That is why you shouldn't pick a party. The current parties are two sides of the same coin.
I am curious what makes you a Trump fan if your biggest issue is abortion. That is kind of like being a Catholic Democrat.
Nemont
>AT 05:07?PM (MST)
>
>It ain't just the tax bill
>Ne, my party couldn't decide
>to use two squares or
>one to wipe their butt.
>
>
>How in hell can you govern
>against a group that will
>agree, to a person, to
>cut a fetus out of
>a living human, when you
>behave like a house full
>of feral cats?
>
>Watching them just pisses me off
>beyond anyrhing I can describe.
>
>
>If passing a tax bill like
>this is like sh!ting a
>peach pit how in hell
>will they ever get immigration
>reform, health care reform, or
>any orher significant reform passed!
>
>
>We Repybli-can't are Ridiculous!
>
>DC
That is why you shouldn't pick a party. The current parties are two sides of the same coin.
I am curious what makes you a Trump fan if your biggest issue is abortion. That is kind of like being a Catholic Democrat.
Nemont
2lumpy
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I explained why in a different post months ago. I immigrated here from a country with a multiple party system. Anything but a two party system is a spider web of corruption way worse than the US system, screwed up as it is right now.
Muley73 explained to you why Ill always vote for the lesser of two evils. No need to repeat that again, I agree with him almost to the letter.
Trump is the lesser of two evils. No idea what his position on abortion is, don't have any chose, it was him or Mrs. Clinton and I know what her position is. Don't think Trump wouldn't lie about his position on abortion until he got into position to do something about it. I'd forgive him that lie if that's the case. He had no problem changing his mind on other issues, when the conditions change. I have no problem with people smart enough to change direction if a change is necessary. I think that's what a normal person does, every single day.
A Catholic Demo. Okay, I'm a hypocrite too. I'll take my chances on Trump, until he demonstrates a more compelling reason not to. I voted for him as a better choice than Mrs Chinton, so far........ I'm far from disappointed. Way more disappointed in the Republ-can'ts who can't stop eating peaches and sh!ting the pits.
DC
Muley73 explained to you why Ill always vote for the lesser of two evils. No need to repeat that again, I agree with him almost to the letter.
Trump is the lesser of two evils. No idea what his position on abortion is, don't have any chose, it was him or Mrs. Clinton and I know what her position is. Don't think Trump wouldn't lie about his position on abortion until he got into position to do something about it. I'd forgive him that lie if that's the case. He had no problem changing his mind on other issues, when the conditions change. I have no problem with people smart enough to change direction if a change is necessary. I think that's what a normal person does, every single day.
A Catholic Demo. Okay, I'm a hypocrite too. I'll take my chances on Trump, until he demonstrates a more compelling reason not to. I voted for him as a better choice than Mrs Chinton, so far........ I'm far from disappointed. Way more disappointed in the Republ-can'ts who can't stop eating peaches and sh!ting the pits.
DC
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>I explained why in a different
>post months ago. I
>immigrated here from a country
>with a multiple party system.
> Anything but a two
>party system is a spider
>web of corruption way worse
>than the US system, screwed
>up as it is right
>now.
>
>Muley73 explained to you why Ill
>always vote for the lesser
>of two evils. No
>need to repeat that again,
>I agree with him almost
>to the letter.
>
>Trump is the lesser of two
>evils. No idea what
>his position on abortion is,
>don't have any chose, it
>was him or Mrs. Clinton
>and I know what her
>position is. Don't think
>Trump wouldn't lie about his
>position on abortion until he
>got into position to do
>something about it. I'd
>forgive him that lie if
>that's the case. He
>had no problem changing his
>mind on other issues, when
>the conditions change. I
>have no problem with people
>smart enough to change direction
>if a change is necessary.
> I think that's what
>a normal person does, every
>single day.
>
>A Catholic Demo. Okay, I'm
>a hypocrite too. I'll
>take my chances on Trump,
>until he demonstrates a more
>compelling reason not to.
>I voted for him as
>a better choice than Mrs
>Chinton, so far........ I'm far
>from disappointed. Way more
>disappointed in the Republ-can'ts who
>can't stop eating peaches and
>sh!ting the pits.
>
>DC
So Trump's abortion stance doesn't matter, what matter's is what he says. Got it.
I get voting for Trump as the lesser of two evil's. If you have no hard and fast bottom line belief's Trump is 100% your girl. He doesn't either. Find any position on any issue any will show him arguing against it. He doesn't change because he believes it, he changes to fool the idiots.
I guess in that he is a success
Nemont
>post months ago. I
>immigrated here from a country
>with a multiple party system.
> Anything but a two
>party system is a spider
>web of corruption way worse
>than the US system, screwed
>up as it is right
>now.
>
>Muley73 explained to you why Ill
>always vote for the lesser
>of two evils. No
>need to repeat that again,
>I agree with him almost
>to the letter.
>
>Trump is the lesser of two
>evils. No idea what
>his position on abortion is,
>don't have any chose, it
>was him or Mrs. Clinton
>and I know what her
>position is. Don't think
>Trump wouldn't lie about his
>position on abortion until he
>got into position to do
>something about it. I'd
>forgive him that lie if
>that's the case. He
>had no problem changing his
>mind on other issues, when
>the conditions change. I
>have no problem with people
>smart enough to change direction
>if a change is necessary.
> I think that's what
>a normal person does, every
>single day.
>
>A Catholic Demo. Okay, I'm
>a hypocrite too. I'll
>take my chances on Trump,
>until he demonstrates a more
>compelling reason not to.
>I voted for him as
>a better choice than Mrs
>Chinton, so far........ I'm far
>from disappointed. Way more
>disappointed in the Republ-can'ts who
>can't stop eating peaches and
>sh!ting the pits.
>
>DC
So Trump's abortion stance doesn't matter, what matter's is what he says. Got it.
I get voting for Trump as the lesser of two evil's. If you have no hard and fast bottom line belief's Trump is 100% your girl. He doesn't either. Find any position on any issue any will show him arguing against it. He doesn't change because he believes it, he changes to fool the idiots.
I guess in that he is a success
Nemont
This is about giving the big donors something for their money, hell they admit it. the reason why they're struggling is they know they're cutting their own throats .
When those who oppose abortion step up to the plate with ample funding to raise, educate and provide health care to every crack baby they put on the ground I'll respect their opinion on government vaginal management mandates.
Stay Thirsty My Friends
When those who oppose abortion step up to the plate with ample funding to raise, educate and provide health care to every crack baby they put on the ground I'll respect their opinion on government vaginal management mandates.
Stay Thirsty My Friends
2lumpy
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I'm an all in idiot then, until further notice.
It's a short trip from killing those crack babies in the womb or as they exit to justify killing them when they are a year old, weak and sickly. Then another short step to kill them if they are the wrong gender or the wrong ethnicity, or the wrong ideology.
If you can justify killing a fetus can you justify me, a Christian, of sorts, because of the harm people like me do throughout world?
Would you kill anyone who you don't like or agree with or you think is harmful to your idiology T, if not, why not, what's the difference?
I think it's a fair question T.
DC
It's a short trip from killing those crack babies in the womb or as they exit to justify killing them when they are a year old, weak and sickly. Then another short step to kill them if they are the wrong gender or the wrong ethnicity, or the wrong ideology.
If you can justify killing a fetus can you justify me, a Christian, of sorts, because of the harm people like me do throughout world?
Would you kill anyone who you don't like or agree with or you think is harmful to your idiology T, if not, why not, what's the difference?
I think it's a fair question T.
DC
The boys here are all excited since they will not have to pay the idiotic mandate fines after this year. If I understood the middle class impact it will start with their withholding tax so their paychecks should go up a little every week. They will vote republican next year if those things happen.
Nobody with insurance paid a mandated fine. so that means if they get sick I have to pay for it . hooray for them! way to go GOP !
Lumpy, I don't get your logic. a gob of goo that cannot develop or survive outside a woman's body cannot be evaluated as you suggest. if it could it would not be a fetus it would be a person.
As far as I'm concerned vaginal management is not a function politics or the government has any place getting involved. I don't even think males should have a vote in the matter. Wow that makes me sound like a real republican doesn't it? keep the government out of our personal and constitutional freedoms. as well as a woman's cooter.
Stay Thirsty My Friends
Lumpy, I don't get your logic. a gob of goo that cannot develop or survive outside a woman's body cannot be evaluated as you suggest. if it could it would not be a fetus it would be a person.
As far as I'm concerned vaginal management is not a function politics or the government has any place getting involved. I don't even think males should have a vote in the matter. Wow that makes me sound like a real republican doesn't it? keep the government out of our personal and constitutional freedoms. as well as a woman's cooter.
Stay Thirsty My Friends
NeMont
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>I'm an all in idiot then,
>until further notice.
>
>It's a short trip from killing
>those crack babies in the
>womb or as they exit
>to justify killing them when
>they are a year old,
>weak and sickly. Then
>another short step to kill
>them if they are the
>wrong gender or the wrong
>ethnicity, or the wrong ideology.
>
>
>If you can justify killing a
>fetus can you justify
>me, a Christian, of sorts,
>because of the harm people
>like me do throughout world?
>
>
>Would you kill anyone who you
>don't like or agree with
>or you think is harmful
>to your idiology T, if
>not, why not, what's
>the difference?
>
>I think it's a fair question
>T.
>
>DC
Should women who have had abortions be locked up for murder? If not why not? If yes, explain what makes your position the correct one?
I think that is another fair question.
Nemont
>until further notice.
>
>It's a short trip from killing
>those crack babies in the
>womb or as they exit
>to justify killing them when
>they are a year old,
>weak and sickly. Then
>another short step to kill
>them if they are the
>wrong gender or the wrong
>ethnicity, or the wrong ideology.
>
>
>If you can justify killing a
>fetus can you justify
>me, a Christian, of sorts,
>because of the harm people
>like me do throughout world?
>
>
>Would you kill anyone who you
>don't like or agree with
>or you think is harmful
>to your idiology T, if
>not, why not, what's
>the difference?
>
>I think it's a fair question
>T.
>
>DC
Should women who have had abortions be locked up for murder? If not why not? If yes, explain what makes your position the correct one?
I think that is another fair question.
Nemont
2lumpy
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I don't see any difference in a woman give permission to a Doctor to abort her fetus, regaedless of the age of the fetus, than that same woman giving anyone, you or I permission to cut her child's head off when it's six years old.
I believe when you vote Demo-ist, you give women permission to commit murder, you literally hand her the knife and say, you have my support.
Yes, I would charge women with murder who have abortions, if it were up to me. Not difference than killing their children in my mind.
Nothing else the Demo-ists stand for matters to me until they abandon this horrific platform. Can't hear anything but the screaming of the innocent.
When a woman decides to leap off a cliff, it her right and her choice, once she jumps, you ability to choice again is gone.
DC
DC
I believe when you vote Demo-ist, you give women permission to commit murder, you literally hand her the knife and say, you have my support.
Yes, I would charge women with murder who have abortions, if it were up to me. Not difference than killing their children in my mind.
Nothing else the Demo-ists stand for matters to me until they abandon this horrific platform. Can't hear anything but the screaming of the innocent.
When a woman decides to leap off a cliff, it her right and her choice, once she jumps, you ability to choice again is gone.
DC
DC
I am not an anti abortion person but have a huge issue with murdering little babies. I would prefer it never happened but just look at a living child that is alive after a 6 or 7 month delivery and tell me that is not murder. If you are going to abort do it in the first couple of months while it is forming. I don't get how a doctor can take a third trimester human and cut it's spine.
LAST EDITED ON Dec-20-17 AT 10:57AM (MST)[p]
When people can't see they're being stupid sometimes you have to show them something stupider.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...kers-ok-down-syndrome-abortion-ban/950389001/
The only thing this world needs more than forcing women to carry babies they don't want is forcing them to carry retarded babies they don't want. I have to assume this is a case of retarded folks looking out for retarded babies. nothing else makes sense in trying to understand this.
Stay Thirsty My Friends
When people can't see they're being stupid sometimes you have to show them something stupider.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...kers-ok-down-syndrome-abortion-ban/950389001/
The only thing this world needs more than forcing women to carry babies they don't want is forcing them to carry retarded babies they don't want. I have to assume this is a case of retarded folks looking out for retarded babies. nothing else makes sense in trying to understand this.
Stay Thirsty My Friends
NeMont
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Glen,
Late term abortions seem horrific to me but that gets into the whole viability argument and opens a can of worms that has never been settled.
Lumpy,
Tad high and mighty on people who vote democrat, there are many, many pro abortion conservatives who are not from the religious wing of the party.
So if women who have had abortions should be tried for murder, what happens to the guy who supplied the semen? Should he be tried as well? Or should the guy have a right to tell a woman that since she is carrying a child he fathered that she no longer has a right over her own body and she must carry the baby to term?
Nemont
Late term abortions seem horrific to me but that gets into the whole viability argument and opens a can of worms that has never been settled.
Lumpy,
Tad high and mighty on people who vote democrat, there are many, many pro abortion conservatives who are not from the religious wing of the party.
So if women who have had abortions should be tried for murder, what happens to the guy who supplied the semen? Should he be tried as well? Or should the guy have a right to tell a woman that since she is carrying a child he fathered that she no longer has a right over her own body and she must carry the baby to term?
Nemont
If someone wants a retarded kid fine, if they want to adopt one there are plenty. forcing someone to endure raising a retarded kid or forcing a woman to dump one on the taxpayers is not only cruel it's financially irresponsible.
Save your bullchit for someone dumb enough to buy it. putting retarded kids on the ground for amusement is as republican as it gets though isn't it. they're a hoot, as much fun as any disabled person. .
Stay Thirsty My Friends
Save your bullchit for someone dumb enough to buy it. putting retarded kids on the ground for amusement is as republican as it gets though isn't it. they're a hoot, as much fun as any disabled person. .
Stay Thirsty My Friends
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LAST EDITED ON Dec-20-17 AT 05:59PM (MST)[p]"Late term abortions seem horrific to me but that gets into the whole viability argument and opens a can of worms that has never been settled."
If aborting late term is horrific, it seems you're part way there. Apparently the age of a fetus is some how more important to you than it is to me. I can't see any difference, between a day old fetus, a late term fetus or a year old child. It's all the same to me. I won't call that cognitive dissonance but some might, that may be why it's never been settled, because it doesn't seem logical, to me, to find late term abortions horrific and early term abortions as non-horrific.
Lumpy, "Tad high and mighty on people who vote democrat, there are many, many pro abortion conservatives who are not from the religious wing of the party."
I consider pro abortion "political" conservatives as abhorrently as I do "political" liberals. Absolutely no different expect for the Political Platform that the "political" conservatives must be misrepresenting the truth, when they say they support the Republi-can't Platform. Regarding "non-political" conservatives and liberals, I have many friends of both, I am comfortable making my political views known to them, and a more than willing to have them share theirs with me, if they chose. I don't go looking to talk politics but it does some times come up, the same as other ideology topics, but if it does come up, we can remain friends or not. I have lost very very few friends over my political or ideological views, I have never rejected a friend over his political or ideological views.
"So if women who have had abortions should be tried for murder, what happens to the guy who supplied the semen? Should he be tried as well? Or should the guy have a right to tell a woman that since she is carrying a child he fathered that she no longer has a right over her own body and she must carry the baby to term?"
If it were up to me, I would charge a woman for murder if she had an abortion. Same as I would if she murdered one for her children. Not difference in my mind. If the guy supplied the semen, with the consent of the woman, she jumped off the cliff when she gave her consent and she alone is responsible for then choosing an abortion. After she gives here consent, it is, from that point forward, her responsibility to accept the consequences. Just as it is, if she chose to leap from a cliff, once she choices, she must deal with the consequences. If the guy supplied the semen against her consent, I would hang the son of a b!tch.
Regarding T's position, respectfully, I know we'll not agree but I can not see the difference between mental illness and highly disabled fetus and children. Killing then in the womb or outside the womb, before or after birth is no different to me. I know others believe there is a difference but I can not see how. So, in my mind, if you can or would kill a fetus, any fetus, why can't you make the same argument for killing them when they are a year old, or twenty years old. From there I believe people could justify killing by gender, as they did in Asia a while back? I've seen some abortion supporters speak very highly of Stephen Hawking who would have been considered by many as a financial liability in the womb or during his youth, as one example of someone who might have started out as a liability but end up contributing a great deal to society.
Now, T, if we are going to live entirely but the law of the jungle, the strongest, and only the strongest, survive, I can understand your statements. I can't imagine that you want to live by that law but if you do, then you are right, kill anyone that is a financial/food/sex/shelter/mobility liability to you. That is the bottom-line to your line of thinking, in my mind.
I don't believe you're a pig. I think you enjoy provoking people to look internally and see our own internal conflicts based on what we say as opposed to what we do. We are all flawed, as you admit. Your a smart guy that is a deep thinker, I like that, even if we disagree often, ideologically.
One more thing NE, if and only if a woman's life is in danger, as determined by a team of medical professions, it is the woman's choice to decide whether she saves her own life and sacrifices the life of her child, or visa versa, the same as she would if they were standing in an intersection, and she could only save the child or herself from sure death, by a vehicle. Clearly her choice and tragically, men and women are forced to do just that, on rare occasions in our world.
I think I've shared this one other time on MM, I'll respectfully decline doing it again, twice is quite enough I think, but I won't refrain from saying why I won't vote for a Demo-ist........ or that I'll always vote for the lesser of two evils, from time to time, as I deem appropriate.
Respectfully,
DC
If aborting late term is horrific, it seems you're part way there. Apparently the age of a fetus is some how more important to you than it is to me. I can't see any difference, between a day old fetus, a late term fetus or a year old child. It's all the same to me. I won't call that cognitive dissonance but some might, that may be why it's never been settled, because it doesn't seem logical, to me, to find late term abortions horrific and early term abortions as non-horrific.
Lumpy, "Tad high and mighty on people who vote democrat, there are many, many pro abortion conservatives who are not from the religious wing of the party."
I consider pro abortion "political" conservatives as abhorrently as I do "political" liberals. Absolutely no different expect for the Political Platform that the "political" conservatives must be misrepresenting the truth, when they say they support the Republi-can't Platform. Regarding "non-political" conservatives and liberals, I have many friends of both, I am comfortable making my political views known to them, and a more than willing to have them share theirs with me, if they chose. I don't go looking to talk politics but it does some times come up, the same as other ideology topics, but if it does come up, we can remain friends or not. I have lost very very few friends over my political or ideological views, I have never rejected a friend over his political or ideological views.
"So if women who have had abortions should be tried for murder, what happens to the guy who supplied the semen? Should he be tried as well? Or should the guy have a right to tell a woman that since she is carrying a child he fathered that she no longer has a right over her own body and she must carry the baby to term?"
If it were up to me, I would charge a woman for murder if she had an abortion. Same as I would if she murdered one for her children. Not difference in my mind. If the guy supplied the semen, with the consent of the woman, she jumped off the cliff when she gave her consent and she alone is responsible for then choosing an abortion. After she gives here consent, it is, from that point forward, her responsibility to accept the consequences. Just as it is, if she chose to leap from a cliff, once she choices, she must deal with the consequences. If the guy supplied the semen against her consent, I would hang the son of a b!tch.
Regarding T's position, respectfully, I know we'll not agree but I can not see the difference between mental illness and highly disabled fetus and children. Killing then in the womb or outside the womb, before or after birth is no different to me. I know others believe there is a difference but I can not see how. So, in my mind, if you can or would kill a fetus, any fetus, why can't you make the same argument for killing them when they are a year old, or twenty years old. From there I believe people could justify killing by gender, as they did in Asia a while back? I've seen some abortion supporters speak very highly of Stephen Hawking who would have been considered by many as a financial liability in the womb or during his youth, as one example of someone who might have started out as a liability but end up contributing a great deal to society.
Now, T, if we are going to live entirely but the law of the jungle, the strongest, and only the strongest, survive, I can understand your statements. I can't imagine that you want to live by that law but if you do, then you are right, kill anyone that is a financial/food/sex/shelter/mobility liability to you. That is the bottom-line to your line of thinking, in my mind.
I don't believe you're a pig. I think you enjoy provoking people to look internally and see our own internal conflicts based on what we say as opposed to what we do. We are all flawed, as you admit. Your a smart guy that is a deep thinker, I like that, even if we disagree often, ideologically.
One more thing NE, if and only if a woman's life is in danger, as determined by a team of medical professions, it is the woman's choice to decide whether she saves her own life and sacrifices the life of her child, or visa versa, the same as she would if they were standing in an intersection, and she could only save the child or herself from sure death, by a vehicle. Clearly her choice and tragically, men and women are forced to do just that, on rare occasions in our world.
I think I've shared this one other time on MM, I'll respectfully decline doing it again, twice is quite enough I think, but I won't refrain from saying why I won't vote for a Demo-ist........ or that I'll always vote for the lesser of two evils, from time to time, as I deem appropriate.
Respectfully,
DC
Here is the thing, we don't live in a perfect world. things go to chit, people make mistakes, people suffer and people die. let's just get that out in the open. until all the living are safe, happy and content don't worry about the gobs of goo who aren't beings . they may be better off not being born into a chitty situation.
Here is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. the unborn ? ....oh my god they're precious. the children? phuk them and the trike they rode in on. fix this chit first, ALL OF IT and then we can talk.
https://www.news4jax.com/news/florida/childrens-health-program-funding-in-jeopardy
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Here is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. the unborn ? ....oh my god they're precious. the children? phuk them and the trike they rode in on. fix this chit first, ALL OF IT and then we can talk.
https://www.news4jax.com/news/florida/childrens-health-program-funding-in-jeopardy
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2lumpy
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We can always find ample reasons to support our points of view. It is known as confirmation bias, whjch I'm as subject to as you are and its where we came to the last time we traveled this road together, so we may as well leave it here again and get back to me being pissed off over how inept my Republi- can't are at passing meanful legislation.
DC
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Lumpy,
You mentioned forgiveness in your earlier posts. This is good. Can you forgive a woman who's had an abortion? You remember what it says in the Bible about not forgiving right? It's against it.
You mentioned forgiveness in your earlier posts. This is good. Can you forgive a woman who's had an abortion? You remember what it says in the Bible about not forgiving right? It's against it.
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I've always associated repentance with forgiveness. If the behavior doesn't change should there be forgiveness? If someone kills your child, or your neighbors child, and you forgive them, would you forgive them again if they killed a second and then a third. Would Buddha, Mohammad, Mother Teresa, Gandhi, Christ forgive without repentance?
In contrast the Butchers of civilizatiions found no fault in it. Yes there have been Christian, Islam, Eastern Religion butchers.
It's a personal thing with me. You have my permission to find my thinking faulted, naive or shallow. I hope you won't feel the need to participate in an abortion, but at the present its legal, I'll live by US law and be grateful for it, but I will exercise my right to vote for or against those laws I'm asked to live. Thankfully you can too, because I'm not always right about everything.
DC
In contrast the Butchers of civilizatiions found no fault in it. Yes there have been Christian, Islam, Eastern Religion butchers.
It's a personal thing with me. You have my permission to find my thinking faulted, naive or shallow. I hope you won't feel the need to participate in an abortion, but at the present its legal, I'll live by US law and be grateful for it, but I will exercise my right to vote for or against those laws I'm asked to live. Thankfully you can too, because I'm not always right about everything.
DC
we've killed FAR more innocent ragheads than they've killed of us, far more. I don't like them, but it would be a lie to say we haven't given them plenty of valid reasons to hate us.
It's doubtful abortion rights will change much in the next 3 years. but if they do they'll change right back that's what the will of the people demands.
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It's doubtful abortion rights will change much in the next 3 years. but if they do they'll change right back that's what the will of the people demands.
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