Explanation

NeMont has a business.

I have one too.

He gets this point I am going to make.

Maybe he hasnt had to buy a business and bring it back from the dead. I have.

What happens is this. Oh, ya, Amazon ran deficits for how long? Anyway, what happens is this.

Previous owner pissed on the business and spit on it and took a dump on it on the way out the door.

You need more customers so you want to promote the business.

You realize you need new product to sell to customers or when they get there you wont have anything to sell. The only way to get it is to pay cash...or borrow.

(since the USA doesnt have a bank account of surpluss stashed away by the ever prudent Obama) You borrow to get the product. You borrow to advertise. You get in a hole. But, once the business gets going. You are good.

These tax cuts are amazing for business. The rest of world agrees. THAT IS WHY THEIR TAXES WERE DROPPED BELOW THE USA FOR SO LONG. AT 21% WE ARE ONLY AT THE AVERAGE!!! THE OTHER COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD HAVE BEEN PLAYING THIS GAME! WELCOME BACK TO THE GAME BOYS!

The business I have was exactly this way. I cut costs, invested in upgrades, bought product. In the one location last year I built new I pulled in $40k on a $150k investment. That is a 28% ish return. Ya, it paid for the 6% I could have borrowed. But, I offered the investment to friends.....I am mailing them another check today.

So, ya, if the previous guy runs a deficit then you gotta borrow. But Trump did the best anyone can do. Taxes below 15% would be tough. Taxes above 25% are uselessly uncompetitive. So, Apple announced they are investing hundreds of billions now. The entire Obama stimulus was only a bit more than that. LOL, one company is now doing as much as the US stimulus. All from one signature on a bill from Mr Trump.

This is how ya hit for the fences boys. Welcome back to the game.


"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." - Plato

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Stay Thirsty My Friends

yea sure whatever.

So you are claiming that Trump is running the government like one of his businesses? Just want to be clear what you are staking your claim to.

I have borrowed money to get the bricks and mortar part started, used lines of credit to help with cash flow and payroll etc.

Our Government debt in not like your or my business debt, it isn't borrowed on the same terms, it isn't used to "invest" to earn returns to pay investors for their risk.

It is taking from future Americans so that the current crop doesn't have to feel the pain of paying their own way.

If you are cheerleading for more borrowing and more debt then don't count yourself on the conservative side of the aisle. You may be a social conservative but you are fiscal liberal.

We could of cut tax rates without borrowing money to do it if we had cut existing spending.

If you believe your entire OP is a justification for adding massive new debt through massive deficit spending in a growing economy, then you missed the mark, you are simply making an excuse for it and have no interest in what is really going on.

Nemont

>So you are claiming that Trump
>is running the government like
>one of his businesses?
>Just want to be clear
>what you are staking your
>claim to.
>
>I have borrowed money to get
>the bricks and mortar part
>started, used lines of credit
>to help with cash flow
>and payroll etc.
>
>Our Government debt in not like
>your or my business debt,
> it isn't borrowed on
>the same terms, it isn't
>used to "invest" to earn
>returns to pay investors for
>their risk.
>
>It is taking from future Americans
>so that the current crop
>doesn't have to feel the
>pain of paying their own
>way.
>
>If you are cheerleading for more
>borrowing and more debt then
>don't count yourself on the
>conservative side of the aisle.
> You may be
>a social conservative
>but you are fiscal liberal.
>
>
>We could of cut tax rates
>without borrowing money to do
>it if we had cut
>existing spending.
>
>If you believe your entire OP
>is a justification for adding
>massive new debt through massive
>deficit spending in a growing
>economy, then you missed the
>mark, you are simply
>making an excuse for it
>and have no interest in
>what is really going on.
>
>
>Nemont


So?

Somebody that Pulls 6 F'N Figures every 30 Minutes has to Borrow Money?

Aspen I assume you got tired of the guy from Idaho constantly calling you on your lies on the other forums and returned to political talk, you are just what we need. Are you any relation to the orange POS, maybe the wayward son of one of his hookers? You sound very similar.

leave it to a bent wrist liberal teacher to come on here and defend his party after their true showing last night on how they care for the common everyday citizen.

Go ahead Cornhusker be the true democrat troll that you are and convince us you and your party are for the common people. The GOP are not saints most of the time, but they will have to stoop far lower to match the Democrat's action at the SOTU speech. You must be very proud!!!

RELH

This will not happen overnight but if our nation can keep the Dem's in the minority ( if in power they will jack it up for sure) ,I believe massive growth will happen as a result of the corporate rate reduction . The wheels of industry ( plants manufactured etc) take years to move and come to fruition . A much larger number of business taxed at 21% and millions of employees taxed at 15% is the ticket. With jobs being plentiful much needed changes can be implemented to reduce the nanny state lazy folks in our nation and begin to reduce government spending. I think Aspen is thinking along the same lines. One think I know for sure is that the liberal economic plan of taxing the rich and penalizing capitalism are not the answer

Servhim,

So how much debt are you willing to pile up in the years this is going to take to achieve?

Not taxing ourselves and continuing to allow the growth of deficit spending is a sure fired way to rob any future prosperity from your grand children. Why would we have to worry about keeping the democrats in the minority when the Republicans are going to borrow and spend at the same rate?

Have any of you Trump is the greatest guys bothered to review what is going to actually be borrowed over the next three years?

So tell me again how much of your grand children's future are you willing to steal to see if your experiment works?

Real interest rates and the aging boomers will devour every penny of what ever growth you get. Then what do you do when the next big crisis hits? Because it will.

Nemont

Servehim, can you quote something from the Bible about lying and lairs?

Thanks in advance.

I like your style Puffy. I'd like to spend more time pointing out the hypocrisy of these gullible fools and the failure of an education system that they supposedly attended which failed them. I no longer have the patience or the time to try to respond for a Dim Wit, Barnie Fife, Donald Jr. or the new Manny but have at them. In the end they'll be as dumb as they are now because dumb kids are left behind and become dumb adults.

Cornhusker does that mean you are going to pack your bags and move to a socialist country that better suits your liberal bent wrist ways. France would be a good place for you to fit in. Take FTW with you.

RELH

Last time I checked CNN corny was on Rosie O'Donnell azz as they were migrating into Canada.

Nemont, thanks for the sincere reply. Here is how I see it, yes I believe that the deficit will increase under this tax plan but I see this as only a 2-3 year problem . Please don't lecture me about how I'm selling my kids / grandkids out ....its 100%opposite of that sir. Continuing status quo under Dem leadership IS the route that will lead my loved ones into despair . To continue to let socialism reign by growing dependence on government to grow is the downfall of our nation. My hope is that the national debt will not grow at a much higher rate than it is currently , then with 5-6% growth in GDP ,our tax base will grow and that coupled with reduced spending will bring our nation back to a balanced budget. I get your frustration with both Dems and GOP ( I'm pissed at a few myself) with regard to spending but I really believe there are vast differences in the 2 parties. Show me 20 Democrats that support a balanced budget , I don't believe they exist but I can show you 100+ GOP members that will support a balanced budget amendment . I'm convienced that it's impossible to tax the rich enough to get ourselves out of this mess but I'm oppomistic that we can grow our way out .

LAST EDITED ON Feb-01-18 AT 09:17PM (MST)[p]PTUFF..Pretty sure I can sir, I'd suggest you spend a little time educating yourself on what the bible has to say. Something tells me that same challenge you issued me might be a tough one for you. Thanks for playing

>I like your style Puffy. I'd
>like to spend more time
>pointing out the hypocrisy of
>these gullible fools and the
>failure of an education system
>that they supposedly attended which
>failed them. I no
>longer have the patience or
>the time to try to
>respond for a Dim Wit,
>Barnie Fife, Donald Jr. or
>the new Manny but have
>at them. In the
>end they'll be as dumb
>as they are now because
>dumb kids are left behind
>and become dumb adults.

Corn, typical Lib tactics . The loving ,accepting, broad minded , compassionate , wonderful all knowing Liberal . Mainstream Americans are getting fed up and seeing through you and your ilk. Hypocrite Extraordinaire

>Nemont, thanks for the sincere reply.
>Here is how I see
>it, yes I believe that
>the deficit will increase under
>this tax plan but I
>see this as only a
>2-3 year problem . Please
>don't lecture me about how
>I'm selling my kids /
>grandkids out ....its 100%opposite of
>that sir.
You believe the deficits will increase? There isn't any belief required, they are going to go up.

>Continuing status quo
>under Dem leadership IS the
>route that will lead my
>loved ones into despair .
>To continue to let socialism
>reign by growing dependence on
>government to grow is the
>downfall of our nation. My
>hope is that the national
>debt will not grow at
>a much higher rate than
>it is currently , then
>with 5-6% growth in GDP

There is no reputable politician, economist, analyst or expert that believes we can have sustained 5-6% growth and grow our way out of debt.


>,our tax base will grow
>and that coupled with reduced
>spending will bring our nation
>back to a balanced budget.

Show me the spending cuts? Every dollar that was proposed to be cut from domestic discretionary is now going for the Pentagon. Medicare, Social Security, Interest and the Pentagon are going to eat up what ever revenue the growth produces.

>I get your frustration with
>both Dems and GOP (
>I'm pissed at a few
>myself) with regard to spending
>but I really believe there
>are vast differences in the
>2 parties. Show me 20
>Democrats that support a balanced
>budget , I don't believe
>they exist

23 Senate Democrats Support a Balanced Budget Amendment


SEN. SHERROD BROWN (D-OH): ?Before I ask for your vote, I owe it to you to tell you where I stand. I'm for? a balanced budget amendment.? (Rep. Brown, ?Where I Stand,? YouTube, 11/1/06)

SEN. DEBBIE STABENOW (D-MI): ?I crossed the line to help balance the budget, as one of the Democrats that broke with my party.? (Michigan Senate Debate, 10/22/00)

SEN. MARK BEGICH (D-AK): ?It's time to stop playing political brinksmanship with the budget and do what every Alaskan is doing - balance the budget.? (Sen. Begich, ?Begich Statement On 2011 Budget Vote,? Press Release, 4/15/11)

SEN. BILL NELSON (D-FL): ?Over the years, I have supported a balanced budget amendment?? (Sen. Bill Nelson, Congressional Record, S.1920, 3/29/11)

SEN. JOE MANCHIN (D-WV): ?[T]he balanced budget amendment's very, very important to me and to every governor, to every state, to every household, especially in West Virginia. And if they can do it, they think we can do it also.? (U.S. Senate, Budget Committee, Hearing, 1/27/11)

SEN. BEN NELSON (D-NE): ?I voted yes and support a balanced budget amendment that allows for flexibility in times of war and for natural disasters.? (Sen. Nelson, Press Statement, 3/4/11)

SEN. MARK UDALL (D-CO): ?I've long gone by the saying, if you find yourself in a hole, stop digging. By restoring healthy and responsible spending through a reasonable Balanced Budget Amendment, we can begin filling in that hole.? (Sen. Udall, ?Udall Co-Sponsors Balanced Budget Amendment,? Press Release, 2/1/11)

SEN. MICHAEL BENNET (D-CO): ?U.S. Sen. Michael Bennet broke his hesitation on endorsing the balanced-budget amendment last week? pledging support for the idea.? (?Bennet Balancing His Approach To Budget,? Denver Post, 3/6/11)

SEN. CLAIRE McCASKILL (D-MO): ?I think they should. ?It would be great if that discipline were in place. Clearly it's a goal we've got to work toward?? ??responding to a question of why the federal government can't have a balanced budget amendment?? SEN. CLAIRE McCASKILL (D-MO): ?I think they should. ?It would be great if that discipline were in place. Clearly it's a goal we've got to work toward?? (?McCaskill For ?Responsible? Balanced Budget Amendment,? PoliticMo, 6/29/11)

SEN. KIRSTEN GILLIBRAND (D-NY): ?New York families must continuously balance their checkbooks. Forty-nine states, including New York, require a balanced budget. An amendment to the Constitution will finally hold the federal government to the same, common sense standard.? (Rep. Gillibrand, ?Nation Deserved A Balanced Budget,? The Time Union, 6/4/07)

SEN. TOM CARPER (D-DE): ?As a Member of the House, when I served with Senator Santorum over there, we were great proponents of something called a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution?? (Sen. Carper, Congressional Record, S.8063-4, 7/14/04)

SEN. HARRY REID (D-NV): ??I believe we should have a constitutional amendment to balance the budget. I am willing to go for that.? (Sen. Reid, Congressional Record, S.1333, 2/12/97)

SEN. KENT CONRAD (D-ND): ?I believe deeply in the need to balance the Federal budget? I would support an amendment to the Constitution.? (Sen. Conrad, Congressional Record, S.1147, 2/10/97)

SEN. HERB KOHL (D-WI): ?The balanced budget amendment does, in my opinion, embody a principle simple and vital enough to deserve inclusion in the Constitution.? (Sen. Kohl, Congressional Record, S.1609, 2/26/97)

SEN. MARY LANDRIEU (D-LA): ?I took a position to support a Balanced Budget Amendment?? (Sen. Landrieu, Press Conference, 2/25/1997)

SEN. DIANNE FEINSTEIN (D-CA): ?The spending trends are what really motivates me, and I hope others, to accept a constitutional balanced budget amendment.? (Sen. Feinstein, Congressional Record, S.1594, 2/26/97)

SEN. TOM HARKIN (D-IA): ?Mr. President, I have long supported a balanced budget amendment. I expect to do so again...? (Sen. Harkin, Congressional Record, S.2460, 2/10/95)

SEN. TIM JOHNSON (D-SD): ?It is time to get our priorities straight. I've been a strong supporter of a balanced budget amendment?? (Rep. Johnson, Congressional Record, H.11213, 10/26/95)

SEN. MAX BAUCUS (D-MT): ?I have always supported a balanced budget. Montanans want a balanced budget. We must listen to the people and give them a balanced budget.? (Sen. Baucus, Congressional Record, S.2469, 2/10/95)

SEN. ##### DURBIN (D-IL): ??we need to move toward a Balanced Budget Amendment.? (Rep. Durbin, Congressional Record, H.1310, 1/11/95)

SEN. JON TESTER (D-MT): ?It's absolutely critical.? ?My folks did not teach me to not have a fiscal balanced budget. It's absolutely critical? Because I am of the belief that you take care of your own self and you don't pass your debts on to your kids... Let's be fiscally responsible. Let's have a fiscally balanced budget.? (Montana Senate Debate, 6/25/06)

?Jon Tester will lead efforts to balance the federal budget?? (?Real Change, Real Vision For Montana Plan,? Jon Tester Website, Accessed 7/14/11)

Tester Spokesman: ?Of course Jon supports a balanced budget?? (?Rehberg Chides Tester Over Budget-Balancing Vote,? Billings Gazette, 3/3/11)

SEN. BOB CASEY (D-PA): ?I Believe In A Balanced Budget. Government Should Live Within Its Means, Like Any Small Business.? MR. RUSSERT: ?Let me find out how you would implement something that you're promising the voters of Pennsylvania. Here?s a Casey campaign ad about our budget.? (Videotape, Bob Casey campaign ad): MR. CASEY: ?I believe in a balanced budget. Government should live within its means, like any small business.? MR. RUSSERT: ?How would you get a balanced budget?? MR. CASEY: ?It's not easy, Tim, but here are the steps we should take. First of all, when it comes to the budget, what's missing principally is a lack of fiscal responsibility, you know that. We?ve gone from about two, 236 of, of surplus down to 296 in deficit. We need some fiscal discipline.? (Pennsylvania Senate Debate, ?Meet The Press,? 9/3/06)

but I can
>show you 100+ GOP members
>that will support a balanced
>budget amendment . I'm convienced
>that it's impossible to tax
>the rich enough to get
>ourselves out of this mess
>but I'm oppomistic that we
>can grow our way out
>.
Really you still think one party is better on fiscal discipline then the other? There are not "vast" differences between the parties, they are two sides of the same coin.

Now show me when the Republicans are in the majority and control the purse strings why we are running deficits. In addition show me where they are demanding a balanced budget amendment.

Nemont

Oh please Nemont, you can't be serious sir. Most of these quotes of 23 Dems supporting balancing our budget are ancient....some 20+ years ago. These are the same bunch of lying hypocrites that challenged illegal immigration during an even more recent time span ( Google there quotes as recently as 5-8 years ago) but now have turned a 180... This Democratic Party today is NOT the blue collar Dem party of the past....JKF would NEVER be allowed as a spokesman today much less President.....you KNOW that but disportionately spew liberal talking points. Why ??? The 2 parties are vastly different Newmont.

Servehim
'Nemont, thanks for the sincere reply. Here is how I see it, yes I believe that the deficit will increase under this tax plan but I see this as only a 2-3 year problem . Please don't lecture me about how I'm selling my kids / grandkids out ....its 100%opposite of that sir. Continuing status quo under Dem leadership IS the route that will lead my loved ones into despair . To continue to let socialism reign by growing dependence on government to grow is the downfall of our nation. My hope is that the national debt will not grow at a much higher rate than it is currently , then with 5-6% growth in GDP ,our tax base will grow and that coupled with reduced spending will bring our nation back to a balanced budget. I get your frustration with both Dems and GOP ( I'm pissed at a few myself) with regard to spending but I really believe there are vast differences in the 2 parties. Show me 20 Democrats that support a balanced budget , I don't believe they exist but I can show you 100+ GOP members that will support a balanced budget amendment . I'm convienced that it's impossible to tax the rich enough to get ourselves out of this mess but I'm oppomistic that we can grow our way out ."

_____________________________________________

Great post!

As for cornhole and puffyfluffy....ya...you get on here and call names. Lame, just another 2 Line Larry attacking people personally. No facts just name calling.

Here are some libs that just make me laugh!


"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." - Plato

So, here are a few points:

1. We can not stay at 35% corporate tax while the rest of the world is at 20%ish. Cornhole and puffy, if you want to continue to pay high taxes then do it. No one is stopping your cornhole from paying 35%. Pelosi and all the other zombies are taking advantage of all the tax loopholes they can. Friggin people.

2. You can pay any tax rate you like. If you want to pay more then do it.

3. Trillions of dollars have already been vowed to come back. Apple alone has announced almost half a TRILLION in money invested and coming back from foreign countries. One company.

4. The answer to prosperity is not more tax! If it is the answer then tax 100% and get this country out of debt. YA! 100% tax! That will do it!




"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." - Plato

AA,

As a woman you shouldn't lie, it makes you look like Elkass.

You going to pay more taxes instead of enslaving your grand children or are you a boomer?

Nemont

>AA,
>
>As a woman you shouldn't lie,
>it makes you look like
>Elkass.
>
>You going to pay more taxes
>instead of enslaving your grand
>children or are you a
>boomer?
>
>Nemont

LOL, mr nemont, calling names and degrading women? Really?

Nope, I just turned 40. Ya, I know, sucks for old dudes like you to see successful guys like me....at 40, already passed you up ol timer. LOL

So, here are a few points:

1. We can not stay at 35% corporate tax while the rest of the world is at 20%ish. Cornhole and puffy, if you want to continue to pay high taxes then do it. No one is stopping your cornhole from paying 35%. Pelosi and all the other zombies are taking advantage of all the tax loopholes they can. Friggin people.

2. You can pay any tax rate you like. If you want to pay more then do it.

3. Trillions of dollars have already been vowed to come back. Apple alone has announced almost half a TRILLION in money invested and coming back from foreign countries. One company.

4. The answer to prosperity is not more tax! If it is the answer then tax 100% and get this country out of debt. YA! 100% tax! That will do it!




"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." - Plato

>>AA,
>>
>>As a woman you shouldn't lie,
>>it makes you look like
>>Elkass.
>>
>>You going to pay more taxes
>>instead of enslaving your grand
>>children or are you a
>>boomer?
>>
>>Nemont
>

>So, here are a few points:
>
>
>1. We can not stay at
>35% corporate tax while the
>rest of the world is
>at 20%ish. Cornhole and puffy,
>if you want to continue
>to pay high taxes then
>do it. No one is
>stopping your cornhole from paying
>35%. Pelosi and all the
>other zombies are taking advantage
>of all the tax loopholes
>they can. Friggin people.

So my question to you is how do you justify your not paying more to reduce the debt and sending the bill to your grand children.


>2. You can pay any tax
>rate you like. If you
>want to pay more then
>do it.

That is a bs argument. 99.9% of all Americans pay the tax bill presented to them, just like you do. You are advocating for and supporting running up bills and not paying for them like a welfare queen.

>3. Trillions of dollars have already
>been vowed to come back.
>Apple alone has announced almost
>half a TRILLION in money
>invested and coming back from
>foreign countries. One company.

So only another $25 Trillion to go and we will be even. You still are for spending more and not paying for it and claiming you are a conservative, you aren't. You are a social conservative and fiscal liberal.

>4. The answer to prosperity is
>not more tax! If it
>is the answer then tax
>100% and get this country
>out of debt. YA! 100%
>tax! That will do it!

Not a single person with any knowledge or power has said this. You are offering a false choice: either live with more debt or tax at 100%.

That is false choice and if you had ever an ounce of intellectual honesty you would admit it. Cut taxes but reduce spending to make revenues and expenditures start to meet up.

There is not a single creditable person from anywhere who believes we can grow our way out of the debt and not deal with what causes it.

The first step to solving a problem is admitting you have one. People who support Trump and don't call him out on his debt are dishonest about their conservative values.

Nemont

The debt is a problem. We all agree.

You want him to do what?

Medicare, locked in by previous politicians.
Medicaid, locked in by previous politicians.
Interest on Debt, locked in mostly by Obama.
Social Security, locked in by previous politicans.
Military, mostly a fixed cost to maintain it.

So, where is your wiggle room smarty pants?

I am fiscally conservative as it gets. But, going around announcing yourself as superman doesnt make it so. You are likely 60 years old or so based on your comments. How have you been doing the last 40 years? Where the Hell have you been? Fiscal conservatism at the end is BS. And what? Do you really believe Hillary, with her lil fake FBI memo in hand, would have done better?

"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." - Plato

>The debt is a problem.
>We all agree.
>
>You want him to do what?

Stop reducing revenues and borrowing money to finance tax cuts. It ain't rocket surgery. Rule Numero Uno in life: when you are in a hole quit digging.

>
>Medicare, locked in by previous politicians.

locked in? Trump said it was untouchable

>Medicaid, locked in by previous politicians.

Locked In? Trump ran on have a beautiful health care plan, in the end he had nothing.

>Interest on Debt, locked in mostly
>by Obama.

Ummm....you cannot actually believe this. If you do then you are clueless as to how our debt is financed.

>Social Security, locked in by previous
>politicans.

Locked In? Trump said it was untouchable

>Military, mostly a fixed cost to
>maintain it.

You ever spend any time in uniform? Then why the request for another $80 Billion more from Trump?

>So, where is your wiggle room
>smarty pants?

Let's see, there are about $4 Trillion options to start but do this find one that is being led by your Hero? Either you are a fiscal conservative or you are an apologist in chief for Trump. I suspect it is the latter.

Your answer to just throw up your hands on spending and then then cheer for Trump.

>I am fiscally conservative as it
>gets. But, going around
>announcing yourself as superman doesnt
>make it so. You
>are likely 60 years old
>or so based on your
>comments. How have you
>been doing the last 40
>years? Where the Hell
>have you been? Fiscal
>conservatism at the end is
>BS. And what?

I am not 60. I have been saying the debt is a huge problem and that is why Bush jr. lost me and why Trump will prove to not be a conservative either.


>Do you really believe Hillary,
>with her lil fake FBI
>memo in hand, would have
>done better?

Hillary, Hillary, Hillary. That is all any Trumpteer can say. She lost, Trump is president and he is spending your grand children's future just like Hillary would have. Make the case of your conservative bona fides or admit you are like every other faker on here. You will let Trump run us deeper into debt and support him all the way to the end. That isn't much of a conservative streak you got at all.


>"The penalty good men pay for
>indifference to public affairs is
>to be ruled by evil
>men." - Plato

So don't try to justify Trump debt by whining about Hillary, he beat her remember. Now show me why it is moral and just to steal from future Americans so you can enjoy lower taxes? Or do you even care?

Nemont

>>The debt is a problem.
>>We all agree.
>>
>>You want him to do what?
>
>Stop reducing revenues and borrowing money
>to finance tax cuts.
>It ain't rocket surgery.
> Rule Numero Uno in
>life: when you are in
>a hole quit digging.

We have to start with tax cuts. Business is the motor. It was time to take off all the 1970's smog equipment from the motor.

>
>>
>>Medicare, locked in by previous politicians.
>
>locked in? Trump said it was
>untouchable
>

Medicare is untouchable. Anyone who tries will suffer political death. Not one dem will support a change to medicare.

>>Medicaid, locked in by previous politicians.
>
>Locked In? Trump ran on
>have a beautiful health care
>plan, in the end he
>had nothing.
>
>>Interest on Debt, locked in mostly
>>by Obama.
>
>Ummm....you cannot actually believe this.
>If you do then you
>are clueless as to how
>our debt is financed.
>

I understand exactly how it is processed. I understand the Treasury process. Our debt and its interest payments are basically a fixed cost. Yes notes sell for various amounts but the debt is basically a fixed cost within 1 or 2%. So, debt is untouchable unless someone, like Paul Ryan, actually succeeds in passing the Penny Plan. The Penny Plan is the only solution I have seen that solves the issue.

>>Social Security, locked in by previous
>>politicans.
>
>Locked In? Trump said it
>was untouchable
>

It is untouchable. Anyone who tries will be signing his political death warrant. Every politician knows this.

>>Military, mostly a fixed cost to
>>maintain it.
>
>You ever spend any time in
>uniform? Then why
>the request for another $80
>Billion more from Trump?
>

The military has to exist at a certain size. They need to upgrade and maintain the existing structure. This makes it essentially a fixed cost.

>>So, where is your wiggle room
>>smarty pants?
>
>Let's see, there are about $4
>Trillion options to start but
>do this find one that
>is being led by your
>Hero? Either you are
>a fiscal conservative or you
>are an apologist in chief
>for Trump. I suspect
>it is the latter.
>

LOL the budget is $4T. I just showed you that 95% of it is a fixed cost. You cant change it without major upset. No Dem will vote to reduce spending. Again, no democrat will vote to reduce spending.

>Your answer to just throw up
>your hands on spending
>and then then cheer for
>Trump.
>

He is attempting to increase revenue over time. The answer was not to leave the economy ticking along at 1 to 2% per year. We had to become competitive again to attract large companies back to the US. The economy will grow. The companies are already moving back only a few months after the tax bill passed. It will take time. This is how you start to turn it around.

>>I am fiscally conservative as it
>>gets. But, going around
>>announcing yourself as superman doesnt
>>make it so. You
>>are likely 60 years old
>>or so based on your
>>comments. How have you
>>been doing the last 40
>>years? Where the Hell
>>have you been? Fiscal
>>conservatism at the end is
>>BS. And what?
>
>I am not 60. I
>have been saying the debt
>is a huge problem and
>that is why Bush jr.
>lost me and why Trump
>will prove to not be
>a conservative either.
>

You and I feel the same about the debt. I agree we need to pay it off. I agree with reductions in spending. But, we have to find a way to do it and get half of the country that is convinced we dont have a problem or convinced we need to spend more....to go along. Good hell, how do you do that? The Ryan Penny Plan makes so much sense but no one will do it! We should be trying this plan. With the increases in the economy and reductions of 1% in spending per year we could balance the budget for the first time since Newt Gingrich did it.

>
>>Do you really believe Hillary,
>>with her lil fake FBI
>>memo in hand, would have
>>done better?
>
>Hillary, Hillary, Hillary. That is
>all any Trumpteer can say.
> She lost, Trump is
>president and he is spending
>your grand children's future just
>like Hillary would have.
>Make the case of your
>conservative bona fides or admit
>you are like every other
>faker on here. You
>will let Trump run us
>deeper into debt and support
>him all the way to
>the end. That isn't
>much of a conservative streak
>you got at all.
>


What I am saying is you chose Coke. You didnt want diet coke. I agree coke was our best choice. But, coke isnt perfect. Is there better? Yes, but quit complaining every time you take a sip. You only had two options. Coke or Diet Coke. Dr Pepper thought free college for everyone was the answer. Mr Sprite couldnt keep anyone interested long enough to get his butt into the race. All you had was Coke or Diet Coke. Get used to drinking Coke.

I agree NeMont. Lets pay it off!!!!!!! I agree!!!!! I would literally be in tears if someone could do it! I, and you, and many, have all but lost hope of this ever happening....which means we are all on borrowed time. Eventually this egg will hatch and require us to make changes. Or, we can do it now. I am totally on your side. I agree we need to pay for it as we go. But, I also see the first change needed was to become competitive in the world with tax rates that dont scare away business like they do in New York or California or Chicago or Detroit. Those places are spiraling downward because they didnt offer attractive tax rates to the producers, the companies, the engines of the world, the creators of all things. If you want to keep revenue then become competitive.

>
>>"The penalty good men pay for
>>indifference to public affairs is
>>to be ruled by evil
>>men." - Plato
>
>So don't try to justify Trump
>debt by whining about Hillary,
>he beat her remember.
> Now show me why
>it is moral and just
>to steal from future Americans
>so you can enjoy lower
>taxes? Or do
>you even care?
>
>Nemont

Agreed, we need to pay off the debt. Now, we agree. Lets go do it. We had to start with increase in business. Now, lets reduce spending. But as you see above

95% OF THE BUDGET IS UNTOUCHABLE! I know this sucks. So, what? How do we go after Social Security.

23% of the national budget is SS. How do you fix it? The people paid into a Ponzi Scheme. Now what?

We agree NeMont. You and I see eye to eye. I am willing to throw an extra 10% on my taxes if:

A: It goes straight to pay off the debt
and
B: The USA will balance the budget and quit borrowing

I may even throw in an extra 20% or 50%. People would donate their estates if they thought it would to straight to the debt. But, we know we are not there yet. We are throwing money at drug addicted welfare recipients. We are financing unemployment of idiots who cant find a job in the fastest growing economy in the world. We must stop the bleeding. You and I agree on that. So, now what?

"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." - Plato

So in your mind, because Coke was snorted instead of drank then no standards need to be applied to Coke because all that matter is he isn't diet Coke?

If Coke and Diet coke will both kill, one because of diabetes and the other from cancer, what does it matter when you are still laying on the gurney? They both kill you and neither are good. Coke is spending just as much as Diet Coke and apparently there is nothing to be done about it.

Therefore why believe either side?

Nemont

>So in your mind, because Coke
>was snorted instead of drank
>then no standards need to
>be applied to Coke because
>all that matter is he
>isn't diet Coke?
>
>If Coke and Diet coke will
>both kill, one because of
> diabetes and the other
>from cancer, what does it
>matter when you are still
>laying on the gurney?
> They both kill you
>and neither are good.
> Coke is spending just
>as much as Diet Coke
>and apparently there is nothing
>to be done about it.
>
>
>Therefore why believe either side?
>
>Nemont

Agreed, it wasnt the most ideal situation.

We have:

a: politicians that wont make changes on both sides of the isle but especially on the dems. The dems want more spending and just racked up 10 trillion in 8 years.

b: Trump would like to reduce spending overall. He is a businessman and understands controlling cost. If he could he would now. He, unfortunately, is left trying to figure out what to do with a bunch of politicians. It is easy to get them to spend....hard to get them to cut.

c: He increased potential revenue with tax cuts. It will take a few years for it to happen but this will drive the country forward. Every company in the USA is benefiting right now and many are coming back. Give this some time.


"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." - Plato

>
>Agreed, it wasnt the most ideal
>situation.
>
>We have:
>
>a: politicians that wont make changes
>on both sides of the
>isle but especially on the
>dems. The dems
>want more spending and just
>racked up 10 trillion in
>8 years.

So if the Republicans are in control and deliver on what the Dems want as far as spending, what difference does it make?


>b: Trump would like to reduce
>spending overall. He is
>a businessman and understands controlling
>cost. If he could
>he would now. He,
>unfortunately, is left trying to
>figure out what to do
>with a bunch of politicians.
> It is easy to
>get them to spend....hard to
>get them to cut.
>

Trump is the self proclaimed "King of Debt". His solution to controlling costs was to declare bankruptcy multiple times, stiff the contractors who did work for him and pay 50 cents on the dollar to his banks.


>c: He increased potential revenue
>with tax cuts. It
>will take a few years
>for it to happen but
>this will drive the country
>forward. Every company
>in the USA is benefiting
>right now and many are
>coming back. Give this
>some time.

so how much additional debt are you willing to pile up, hoping for new revenue? If it was just a revenue issue then no biggie but it isn't. He is also proposing massive new spending or is that just forgotten about?

>"The penalty good men pay for
>indifference to public affairs is
>to be ruled by evil
>men." - Plato

>
>>
>>Agreed, it wasnt the most ideal
>>situation.
>>
>>We have:
>>
>>a: politicians that wont make changes
>>on both sides of the
>>isle but especially on the
>>dems. The dems
>>want more spending and just
>>racked up 10 trillion in
>>8 years.
>
>So if the Republicans are in
>control and deliver on what
>the Dems want as far
>as spending, what difference does
>it make?
>

Republicans have
>
>>b: Trump would like to reduce
>>spending overall. He is
>>a businessman and understands controlling
>>cost. If he could
>>he would now. He,
>>unfortunately, is left trying to
>>figure out what to do
>>with a bunch of politicians.
>> It is easy to
>>get them to spend....hard to
>>get them to cut.
>>
>
>Trump is the self proclaimed "King
>of Debt". His solution
>to controlling costs was to
>declare bankruptcy multiple times, stiff
>the contractors who did work
>for him and pay 50
>cents on the dollar to
>his banks.
>
>
>>c: He increased potential revenue
>>with tax cuts. It
>>will take a few years
>>for it to happen but
>>this will drive the country
>>forward. Every company
>>in the USA is benefiting
>>right now and many are
>>coming back. Give this
>>some time.
>
>so how much additional debt are
>you willing to pile up,
>hoping for new revenue?
>If it was just a
>revenue issue then no biggie
>but it isn't. He
>is also proposing massive new
>spending or is that just
>forgotten about?
>
>>"The penalty good men pay for
>>indifference to public affairs is
>>to be ruled by evil
>>men." - Plato

Had Trump got what he asked for spending on the largest items, Medicare and Medicaid, would have been reduced.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...icit-but-not-balance-budget-cbo-idUSKBN19Y23U


"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." - Plato

AA,

Get back to me when that proposal makes it into his budget requests.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stanco...t-want-to-do-a-budget-this-year/#7279bd35e08f

Nemont

>AA,
>
>Get back to me when that
>proposal makes it into his
>budget requests.
>
> https://www.forbes.com/sites/stanco...t-want-to-do-a-budget-this-year/#7279bd35e08f
>
>Nemont


When you have half of the country convinced our credit card has not end and needs no payments then you cant pass legislation.

He tried to pass this. It didnt go. So, now it is not in the budget.

Half of the country is stupid or will cut off their nose to spite their face. So we keep mommas on crack on the welfare system so we dont offend them. We keep paying for PBS to tell us about Climate Change. We keep paying for Medicaid for people that should not qualify or refuse to work. So, ya, not gonna make it in the budget cuz they shot it down.

Cant get everything we want. If we hold the house and the senate or make gains then we have some ability to push.

"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." - Plato

Sounds a lot like Hope and Change. No thanks.

Trump will over see a massive increase in the debt and he cheerleaders will never accept responsibility for aiding and abetting the GOP for doing it. That is the bottom line.

They hold him to zero standards, just like the left did for Clinton and Obama. He is shytty president and it will be proven in the numbers.

Nemont

LAST EDITED ON Feb-05-18 AT 03:32PM (MST)[p]double post

Aspen,
You keep bashing PBS. Why is that? You know they are funded in part by foundations like the Fillimen N Dagastino and Lillian Goldman charitable trust and and also funded in part by veiwers like you, thank you. Pick another network to hate.

>Aspen,
>You keep bashing PBS. Why
>is that? You know
>they are funded in part
>by foundations like the Fillimen
>N Dagastino and Lillian Goldman
>charitable trust and and also
>funded in part by veiwers
>like you, thank you.
>Pick another network to hate.
>
Why? Name another that takes money out of my pocket!

PBS is Democrat crap....same with NPR. PBS and their BS Climate Change Mantra. So ya, they promote climate change and survive on public money. How about you shut up.

"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." - Plato

Naaaaa, I hate that I

NeMont, Trump tried to pass legislation to get Medicaid and Medicare under control. He cant do it alone.

Give him someones keyhones to hold onto. Then he can get this done. Without something to hold over the dems head he cant cut the largest spending problems.

Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid. Those three are the largest piece of the budget by far. Any discussion about saving money or cutting spending without talking about those three is useless.

"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." - Plato

LAST EDITED ON Feb-05-18 AT 05:28PM (MST)[p]You should watch Frontline, Nature, Nova, American Experience and Arizona Wildlife Views(or your states equivalent). There's no commercials either.

>LAST EDITED ON Feb-05-18
>AT 05:28?PM (MST)
>
>You should watch Frontline, Nature, Nova,
>American Experience and Arizona Wildlife
>Views(or your states equivalent). There's
>no commercials either.

As long as we are borrowing money from the Chinese or the Muslims or anyone....I am not supporting Frontline or any other TV station. Why would you condone that?


"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." - Plato

I've yet to see a dem. put african american unemployment at an all time low. That's a sh#t ton of spending gone. And a whole change in moral to their community. So more african americans that were on welfare are back to work how is that gonna run up the debt.

"We don't have a gun problem we have prescription drug problem."

> I've yet to see
>a dem. put african american
>unemployment at an all time
>low. That's a sh#t ton
>of spending gone. And a
>whole change in moral to
>their community. So more african
>americans that were on welfare
>are back to work how
>is that gonna run up
>the debt.
>
> "We don't have a gun
>problem we have prescription drug
>problem."

That will have a great impact on the black community for sure and Trump deserves some or much of the credit. It will impact some spending from the Feds but the big three are SS MC MA

"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." - Plato