Just how much was redacted?
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...h-nunes-memo-as-post-remains-in-theaters.html
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http://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...h-nunes-memo-as-post-remains-in-theaters.html
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I wonder if the hype will match the content.
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NeMont
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https://www.axios.com/read-nunes-memo-fbi-doj-fisa-mueller-7fb8bcb7-1f18-4294-aa95-628d2f67bcdf.html
What is the threshold to apply for an get a FISA warrant? Seems like a pretty low bar? Has a FISA warrant ever been denied? I read that the FISC grants all but .03% of requests. Seems like that should maybe be reviewed as well.
I am certain this does almost nothing to move either side from their position. Mueller went to work again today.
Nemont
What is the threshold to apply for an get a FISA warrant? Seems like a pretty low bar? Has a FISA warrant ever been denied? I read that the FISC grants all but .03% of requests. Seems like that should maybe be reviewed as well.
I am certain this does almost nothing to move either side from their position. Mueller went to work again today.
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Those FISA warrants would never have been signed off by any judge that believed in justice and our constitution if DOJ and FBI had not held back the conflicting facts that we know about now.
Steele himself due to his statements to DOJ about Trump had a strong conflict of interest that if the judge knew about it, would have ruled his "dossier" was un-reliable evidence. I have drawn up many search warrants and you are required to include information that may tend to show one particular source of information may be conflicting and needs another source to shore it up in credibility.
The fact they failed to show that Steele had a conflict of interest about Trump, that the dossier was paid for by a opposite political party made the warrant request null and void on it's merits and no sane judge would have ever signed off on it. They have now many man hours of investigation and millions of dollars invested in a investigation that will be considered to be the "fruits of a poison tree" They are screwed.
RELH
Steele himself due to his statements to DOJ about Trump had a strong conflict of interest that if the judge knew about it, would have ruled his "dossier" was un-reliable evidence. I have drawn up many search warrants and you are required to include information that may tend to show one particular source of information may be conflicting and needs another source to shore it up in credibility.
The fact they failed to show that Steele had a conflict of interest about Trump, that the dossier was paid for by a opposite political party made the warrant request null and void on it's merits and no sane judge would have ever signed off on it. They have now many man hours of investigation and millions of dollars invested in a investigation that will be considered to be the "fruits of a poison tree" They are screwed.
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RELH,
What if Mueller is going down a different path that was opened by somebody agreeing to cop a plea deal that has nothing to do with Carter Page and the dossier? Then this does zero to end Trump/Russia special Prosecutor.
Also Nunes admitted materially changing content of the Memo after the vote to release it. Kind of hard to find anyone without a mark against their name in the whole thing.
Nemont
What if Mueller is going down a different path that was opened by somebody agreeing to cop a plea deal that has nothing to do with Carter Page and the dossier? Then this does zero to end Trump/Russia special Prosecutor.
Also Nunes admitted materially changing content of the Memo after the vote to release it. Kind of hard to find anyone without a mark against their name in the whole thing.
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The striking thing about this memo to me is that by McCabe's own admission, there never would have been a FISA warrant issued without the dossier. So, if the FISA warrant was issued mainly on the presumption by the judge that the dossier was true, then the FBI was at the very least negligent in failing to disclose that the contents of the dossier were "salacious and unverified".
Having said that, I now call on the Republicans to release the Democrat's memo that purportedly contains the missing information needed to piece everything together. Devin Nunes is my representative in Congress and I have emailed his office requesting that they vote again to release the Democrat memo so that we can see what the other side of the story is.
I must admit, I find it very hard to believe that any of the Nunes memo is false and that Nunes himself would risk his career and possibly his freedom to help Donald Trump by fabricating such a damning memo. What would he have to gain from it? At the very least, the judge should have been notified that the dossier was paid for by the DNC and that a high level FBI official's wife was working for the company that produced it.
IF the Nunes memo is true, it is very damning to the FBI. I don't however have any faith in our justice system to think that heads will roll over this. I don't think this will stop the Mueller investigation nor do I think Jeff Sessions has the balls to do anything about it anyway. I think Ohr should be fired as well as Strozk but I'm not holding my breath.
Having said that, I now call on the Republicans to release the Democrat's memo that purportedly contains the missing information needed to piece everything together. Devin Nunes is my representative in Congress and I have emailed his office requesting that they vote again to release the Democrat memo so that we can see what the other side of the story is.
I must admit, I find it very hard to believe that any of the Nunes memo is false and that Nunes himself would risk his career and possibly his freedom to help Donald Trump by fabricating such a damning memo. What would he have to gain from it? At the very least, the judge should have been notified that the dossier was paid for by the DNC and that a high level FBI official's wife was working for the company that produced it.
IF the Nunes memo is true, it is very damning to the FBI. I don't however have any faith in our justice system to think that heads will roll over this. I don't think this will stop the Mueller investigation nor do I think Jeff Sessions has the balls to do anything about it anyway. I think Ohr should be fired as well as Strozk but I'm not holding my breath.
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Ca,
I am good with all that you posted. I highly doubt Nunes will allow a competing view of the dossier to be disseminated. I also don't believe this ends anything in regards to Mueller's investigation.
Jeff Session is throwing life vests to everyone.
http://thehill.com/regulation/admin...raises-deputy-attorney-general-rod-rosenstein
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/2/sessions-wake-explosive-memo-no-department-perfect/
Nemont
I am good with all that you posted. I highly doubt Nunes will allow a competing view of the dossier to be disseminated. I also don't believe this ends anything in regards to Mueller's investigation.
Jeff Session is throwing life vests to everyone.
http://thehill.com/regulation/admin...raises-deputy-attorney-general-rod-rosenstein
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/2/sessions-wake-explosive-memo-no-department-perfect/
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Nemont, Mueller's investigation will hinge on the fact if he did or did not use Steele's dossier to obtain later facts to support any criminal action.
If the tainted warrant was used in anyway to gain further information down the line, a court will throw it out as being the fruits of the poison tree. If Mueller did not use the dossier to gain further evidence, he should be good to go. I see a lot of issues coming up in court over this if they try to convict anyone off of Mueller's investigation.
The defendant's attorneys will go over the case with a fine tooth comb trying to see if Mueller used any FISA information to conduct his investigation.
There is several high ranking officials and Hillary that should start looking to flee to a country that do not have a extradition treaty with the U.S. Then again I would not be surprised if Hillary will throw her daughter under the bus by claiming it was her that released the foundation funds to pay for Steele's dossier and Hillary was unaware of it.
RELH
If the tainted warrant was used in anyway to gain further information down the line, a court will throw it out as being the fruits of the poison tree. If Mueller did not use the dossier to gain further evidence, he should be good to go. I see a lot of issues coming up in court over this if they try to convict anyone off of Mueller's investigation.
The defendant's attorneys will go over the case with a fine tooth comb trying to see if Mueller used any FISA information to conduct his investigation.
There is several high ranking officials and Hillary that should start looking to flee to a country that do not have a extradition treaty with the U.S. Then again I would not be surprised if Hillary will throw her daughter under the bus by claiming it was her that released the foundation funds to pay for Steele's dossier and Hillary was unaware of it.
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RELH,
You need to understand some very basic political facts. Neither side is going to after the other because it would expose them for their time in office.
I know you keep saying Hillary, Hillary, Hillary but it isn't going to lead to her putting on prison clothes and I don't care if you did lock her up and throw away the key. Session is never going to press to prosecute her and Trump isn't going to force him. Keep believing it is still Mayberry but it isn't.
Can you find in Nunes memo where it says Mueller's investigation is a one trick pony relying solely on the Carter Page FISA warrant? If that were true then Manafort is good to go and Rick Gates wouldn't be bellying up to the bar, with Attorney Tom Green by his side, to spill his guts about what, who and how much he knows.
Watch as the it gets hotter this spring and summer and what comes out of all of this. I don't believe Trump will ever be taken down by Mueller's investigation but many of the players around him are going to be checking their hold cards and seeing how far Mueller really is going to push. I also don't know that the questions about Russia will ever be answered at this point.
Nemont
You need to understand some very basic political facts. Neither side is going to after the other because it would expose them for their time in office.
I know you keep saying Hillary, Hillary, Hillary but it isn't going to lead to her putting on prison clothes and I don't care if you did lock her up and throw away the key. Session is never going to press to prosecute her and Trump isn't going to force him. Keep believing it is still Mayberry but it isn't.
Can you find in Nunes memo where it says Mueller's investigation is a one trick pony relying solely on the Carter Page FISA warrant? If that were true then Manafort is good to go and Rick Gates wouldn't be bellying up to the bar, with Attorney Tom Green by his side, to spill his guts about what, who and how much he knows.
Watch as the it gets hotter this spring and summer and what comes out of all of this. I don't believe Trump will ever be taken down by Mueller's investigation but many of the players around him are going to be checking their hold cards and seeing how far Mueller really is going to push. I also don't know that the questions about Russia will ever be answered at this point.
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You are probably right about the outcome, they may just be satisfied with disgracing the Democrats with a political bashing and getting rid of a bunch of Obama holdovers in the FBI and Department of Justice.
I myself would prefer see a lot of them go to jail just for the simple reason of making anyone think twice about pulling the stunt again down the line and that includes both parties.
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It pains me ? as a former FBI executive who loves and respects the organization ? to say that Comey?s short tenure at the FBI has proven to be the worst thing to happen to the agency since Director L. Patrick Gray was fired during the Watergate scandal.
If the facts stated in the memo are true ? despite the highly political nature of congressional committees ? then there was either incompetent or deliberate manipulation of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) Court to get approval of the surveillance.
Even new agent trainees at the FBI Academy know better than to use paid opposition research and newspaper articles to support use of one of the most sensitive and intrusive surveillance techniques in the investigative toolbox. If they do use such information, the FISA judge should have been apprised of the origins of the research.
FBI agents are also taught to never mislead any court of law. It's unlikely the surveillance warrant would have been issued if the FISA judge was aware that political opponents (the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee) had financed the information used to obtain approval of the surveillance.
FISA applications go through extensive reviews at multiple levels of executive management at the FBI and Justice Department. They are signed by the most senior FBI and Justice Department executives before they are presented to the FISA court for approval.
The 2016 FISA approvals in question were signed by none other than FBI Director Comey and Deputy Director Andrew McCabe. The buck stops there. They were the top two officials in the FBI at the time.
McCabe, enabled by Comey, created an attitude among his inner circle that flaunted well- established laws and regulations. Comey usurped the role of the Justice Department in publicly exonerating Hillary Clinton from wrongdoing in her handling of government emails when she was secretary of state.
At the same time, Comey took highly conflicted Attorney General Loretta Lynch off the hook to formally recuse herself from the Hillary Clinton probe as a result of Lynch?s own inexcusable and inept conduct in meeting former President Bill Clinton while his wife was under Justice Department and FBI investigation.
With his conduct, Comey set in motion a cascading set of events that resulted in the FBI becoming a pawn in a political firestorm. He justified making up his own rules because he felt righteous.
Comey permitted leaks and allowed bias to infect two of the most important investigations ever conducted by the FBI. He clearly permitted his lead investigative agent to predetermine the outcome of the Clinton investigation, while allowing the agent's biased actions and anti-Trump texts to complicate the role of Special Counsel Robert Mueller in actually getting to the truth of Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election.
FBI agent Peter Strzok and FBI lawyer Lisa Page ? who were carrying on a romantic affair when they traded numerous text criticizing then-candidate Trump ? are now star witnesses for the defense in any indictments that come out of Mueller?s office.
Mueller is an honest, fair and non-political professional who took a bullet for his country as a Marine in Vietnam. He is our best chance to learn the truth. And the truth should be good enough for everyone. He served for 12 years as FBI director with many accomplishments, no terrorist attacks on his watch and not a hint of controversy.
Current FBI Director Chris Wray has now taken the helm and is trying his best to right the ship. This is no time for him to resign. He has a lot to overcome in a very difficult task. He must maintain his independence from the president while navigating political controversy coming at him from every direction.
Wray is very deliberately cleaning out the remnants of the Comey cabal on the FBI?s 7th Floor. He has apparently been given a preview of the Department of Justice inspector general?s investigation of the conduct of several FBI officials during the Clinton investigation. This inspector general is the same person who outed the Strzok and Page texts.
Now information is circulating that the Republican memo made public is just the tip of the iceberg. Ex-FBI Agents are picking up information that the inspector general?s report will be far more graphic in detailing the misconduct of McCabe, Strzok and others more serious that what is in the memo released Friday.
The Republican congressional memo outlines potentially serious misconduct on the part of the Comey leadership team. Going forward, the FBI should err on the side of transparency. Director Wray should make every effort to declassify the documents and affidavit supporting surveillance approved by the FISA Court.
Such information has been released before. It is better for the FBI to release the information than to have it come from a political body like Congress. Let the public decide for themselves without political spin.
The American people, Congress and the president should sit back and allow Special Counsel Mueller to do his work. This nation has an interest in making sure that Russian President Vladimir Putin?s intelligence thugs and mobbed-up oligarchs do not influence our political processes.
It's time to find out what really happened.
Chris E. Swecker served 24 years in FBI as Special Agent. He retired from the Bureau as Assistant Director with responsibility over all FBI Criminal Investigations. He currently practices law in Charlotte, N.C.
I myself would prefer see a lot of them go to jail just for the simple reason of making anyone think twice about pulling the stunt again down the line and that includes both parties.
RELH
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It pains me ? as a former FBI executive who loves and respects the organization ? to say that Comey?s short tenure at the FBI has proven to be the worst thing to happen to the agency since Director L. Patrick Gray was fired during the Watergate scandal.
If the facts stated in the memo are true ? despite the highly political nature of congressional committees ? then there was either incompetent or deliberate manipulation of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) Court to get approval of the surveillance.
Even new agent trainees at the FBI Academy know better than to use paid opposition research and newspaper articles to support use of one of the most sensitive and intrusive surveillance techniques in the investigative toolbox. If they do use such information, the FISA judge should have been apprised of the origins of the research.
FBI agents are also taught to never mislead any court of law. It's unlikely the surveillance warrant would have been issued if the FISA judge was aware that political opponents (the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee) had financed the information used to obtain approval of the surveillance.
FISA applications go through extensive reviews at multiple levels of executive management at the FBI and Justice Department. They are signed by the most senior FBI and Justice Department executives before they are presented to the FISA court for approval.
The 2016 FISA approvals in question were signed by none other than FBI Director Comey and Deputy Director Andrew McCabe. The buck stops there. They were the top two officials in the FBI at the time.
McCabe, enabled by Comey, created an attitude among his inner circle that flaunted well- established laws and regulations. Comey usurped the role of the Justice Department in publicly exonerating Hillary Clinton from wrongdoing in her handling of government emails when she was secretary of state.
At the same time, Comey took highly conflicted Attorney General Loretta Lynch off the hook to formally recuse herself from the Hillary Clinton probe as a result of Lynch?s own inexcusable and inept conduct in meeting former President Bill Clinton while his wife was under Justice Department and FBI investigation.
With his conduct, Comey set in motion a cascading set of events that resulted in the FBI becoming a pawn in a political firestorm. He justified making up his own rules because he felt righteous.
Comey permitted leaks and allowed bias to infect two of the most important investigations ever conducted by the FBI. He clearly permitted his lead investigative agent to predetermine the outcome of the Clinton investigation, while allowing the agent's biased actions and anti-Trump texts to complicate the role of Special Counsel Robert Mueller in actually getting to the truth of Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election.
FBI agent Peter Strzok and FBI lawyer Lisa Page ? who were carrying on a romantic affair when they traded numerous text criticizing then-candidate Trump ? are now star witnesses for the defense in any indictments that come out of Mueller?s office.
Mueller is an honest, fair and non-political professional who took a bullet for his country as a Marine in Vietnam. He is our best chance to learn the truth. And the truth should be good enough for everyone. He served for 12 years as FBI director with many accomplishments, no terrorist attacks on his watch and not a hint of controversy.
Current FBI Director Chris Wray has now taken the helm and is trying his best to right the ship. This is no time for him to resign. He has a lot to overcome in a very difficult task. He must maintain his independence from the president while navigating political controversy coming at him from every direction.
Wray is very deliberately cleaning out the remnants of the Comey cabal on the FBI?s 7th Floor. He has apparently been given a preview of the Department of Justice inspector general?s investigation of the conduct of several FBI officials during the Clinton investigation. This inspector general is the same person who outed the Strzok and Page texts.
Now information is circulating that the Republican memo made public is just the tip of the iceberg. Ex-FBI Agents are picking up information that the inspector general?s report will be far more graphic in detailing the misconduct of McCabe, Strzok and others more serious that what is in the memo released Friday.
The Republican congressional memo outlines potentially serious misconduct on the part of the Comey leadership team. Going forward, the FBI should err on the side of transparency. Director Wray should make every effort to declassify the documents and affidavit supporting surveillance approved by the FISA Court.
Such information has been released before. It is better for the FBI to release the information than to have it come from a political body like Congress. Let the public decide for themselves without political spin.
The American people, Congress and the president should sit back and allow Special Counsel Mueller to do his work. This nation has an interest in making sure that Russian President Vladimir Putin?s intelligence thugs and mobbed-up oligarchs do not influence our political processes.
It's time to find out what really happened.
Chris E. Swecker served 24 years in FBI as Special Agent. He retired from the Bureau as Assistant Director with responsibility over all FBI Criminal Investigations. He currently practices law in Charlotte, N.C.
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If what Fox news reported tonight "IS TRUE," Mueller is tainted and his creditability is tarnished for conducting an investigation against the President.
Gorka, past advisor to Trump stated that Mueller was put forward and interviewed by Trump for the job of FBI director and Trump turned him down for the job because he did not want a "Bush" era appointee for that job. Sounds like Trump does not trust the Bush family and anyone that may be beholden to them.
Shortly after that interview Mueller was selected by Rosenstine to head the Russian collusion investigation against the President and his election campaign staff.
That issue leads to a great conflict of interest and is not going to set well in court with Federal Judges and gives any indicted suspect a legal argument in court that Mueller was bias and the charges are "Trumped up charges", pun intended.
The whole investigation is turning into a "sh!t pile" as more time goes on.
If I would have done what they did with their FISA search warrant in my career as a law enforcement officer, I would have been fired at the best option.
RELH
Gorka, past advisor to Trump stated that Mueller was put forward and interviewed by Trump for the job of FBI director and Trump turned him down for the job because he did not want a "Bush" era appointee for that job. Sounds like Trump does not trust the Bush family and anyone that may be beholden to them.
Shortly after that interview Mueller was selected by Rosenstine to head the Russian collusion investigation against the President and his election campaign staff.
That issue leads to a great conflict of interest and is not going to set well in court with Federal Judges and gives any indicted suspect a legal argument in court that Mueller was bias and the charges are "Trumped up charges", pun intended.
The whole investigation is turning into a "sh!t pile" as more time goes on.
If I would have done what they did with their FISA search warrant in my career as a law enforcement officer, I would have been fired at the best option.
RELH
