Is Rand Paul a liberal?

NVBighorn

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He seems to be saying the same thing Nemont keeps saying and you guys call Nemont a liberal. Maybe I'm confused.



Here's why Rand Paul says he shut down the federal government
12:22 a.m. ET


The U.S. federal government partially shut down at midnight, and the proximate cause is Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), who refused to give consent Thursday night to vote on the massive spending bill worked out by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.). Paul's stated concern was the federal deficit ? which, he pointed out, was the Republican Party's stated concern until about a year ago. "How come you were against President Obama's deficits, and then how come you're for Republican deficits? Isn't that the very definition of intellectual dishonesty?" he asked his colleagues. "Isn't that the very definition of hypocrisy?"


Paul, who voted in favor of the GOP's $1.5 trillion tax cut two months ago, wasn't done. Amid glares from a "visibly irritated" McConnell, The Washington Post reports, Paul said "this new stimulus of deficit spending will be as big as President Obama's stimulus," passed during the height of the Great Recession. "Don't you remember when Republicans howled to high heaven that President Obama was spending us into the gutter, spending us into oblivion?" he asked. "And now Republicans are doing the same thing."



The Senate is expected to pass the spending bill early Friday morning, but its fate in the House is less clear. GOP deficit hawks are in more or less open revolt, and Democrats are threatening to withhold their support unless House Speaker Paul Ryan promises to hold a vote on a replacement for the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) immigration program. The two-year spending bill also suspends the debt limit for a year, adds $90 billion for disaster relief, extends $17 billion in business tax breaks, and renews several large health care programs, paying for some of the spending by selling oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve and other revenue offsets. Peter Weber
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-09-18 AT 00:27AM (MST)[p]"How come you were against President Obama's deficits, and then how come you're for Republican deficits? Isn't that the very definition of intellectual dishonesty?" he asked his colleagues. "Isn't that the very definition of hypocrisy?"

Indeed. Take note RELH & Co.

"How come you were against President Obama's _______, and then how come you're for Republican _______? Isn't that the very definition of intellectual dishonesty?" he asked his colleagues. "Isn't that the very definition of hypocrisy?"

Standards and principles are long gone, Nemont is the only consistent conservative on this board. I laugh every time I read the pathetic attempts to paint him as a liberal. Fact is he still cares core conservative values. If anything this is clearly a case of I did not leave the party, the party went batchit crazy and left me.

Too bad about the GOP, the damage to the Republican Party brand at this point is incalculable.

When's the next shutdown?
 
>LAST EDITED ON Feb-09-18
>AT 00:27?AM (MST)

>
>"How come you were against President
>Obama's deficits, and then how
>come you're for Republican deficits?
>Isn't that the very definition
>of intellectual dishonesty?" he asked
>his colleagues. "Isn't that the
>very definition of hypocrisy?"
>
>Indeed. Take note RELH & Co.
>
>
>"How come you were against President
>Obama's _______, and then how
>come you're for Republican _______?
>Isn't that the very definition
>of intellectual dishonesty?" he asked
>his colleagues. "Isn't that the
>very definition of hypocrisy?"
>
>Standards and principles are long gone,
>Nemont is the only consistent
>conservative on this board. I
>laugh every time I read
>the pathetic attempts to paint
>him as a liberal. Fact
>is he still cares core
>conservative values. If anything this
>is clearly a case of
>I did not leave the
>party, the party went batchit
>crazy and left me.
>
>Too bad about the GOP, the
>damage to the Republican Party
>brand at this point is
>incalculable.
>
>When's the next shutdown?

It shutdown for 8 hours when Nancy Pelosi gave her speech.
 
>https://youtu.be/WEb_vAzYlQ8?t=290
>
>
>My fellow liberal Rand Paul explains
>why debt matters.
>
>
>Nemont

"No one will read the bill, no one knows what's in the bill"

Lol! Exactly. 1 Senator out of 100 gets it. But, the people elected them all. God help us.


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>https://youtu.be/WEb_vAzYlQ8?t=290
>
>
>My fellow liberal Rand Paul explains
>why debt matters.
>
>
>Nemont

I 100% agree with nemont & Rand Paul ,who I supported and still do to be the president,
on spending. Trumps making a huge mistake on this.

The question I still have nemont, is how do you bash people over the heads as fake conservatives when you said you supported Kasich who is part of the republican wing of the democrat party like 98% of all republicans?
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-09-18 AT 01:19PM (MST)[p]

Kasich was qualified and not a nut job. Rand Paul was out early remember. I have zero faith in Trump to lead the conservative movement. He has flipped and flopped more than John Kerry ever did. I do not trust him, I believe in the end his presidency will will set back conservatism by a generation or more. The capitulation on the debt is more proof that he has no core conservative values.


Wait for the next recession and bear market. He doesn't have chops to lead when the going gets tough. Imagine if we were at war with a North Korea. Would the words "President Trump" inspire confidence that he had a clue what he was doing. Those words wouldn't provide me a second of comfort.

Now here is the question, why has every conservative on here sold their soul to support Trump, who just signed a bill that removed spending caps, removed the debt ceiling for more than year and saw a 21% increase in spending and an 84% increase in the deficit . I don't get it. Kasich lost, so I supported somebody who didn't win. Doesn't change the facts that we are staring down the barrel of Trillions of dollars in debt that will take place on Trump's watch. If a democrat wins the White House, what kind of standing will Republicans have to whine about their debt and spending? At some point either you are a conservative or you are just paying lip service to it. Rand Paul is a fiscal conservative.

Nemont
 
>LAST EDITED ON Feb-09-18
>AT 01:19?PM (MST)

>
>
>
>Kasich was qualified and not a
>nut job. Rand Paul
>was out early remember.
>I have zero faith in
>Trump to lead the conservative
>movement. He has
>flipped and flopped more than
>John Kerry ever did.
> I do not trust
>him, I believe in the
>end his presidency will will
>set back conservatism by a
>generation or more.
>The capitulation on the debt
>is more proof that he
>has no core conservative values.
>
>
>
>Wait for the next recession and
>bear market. He doesn't have
>chops to lead when the
>going gets tough.
>Imagine if we were at
>war with a North Korea.
> Would the words "President
>Trump" inspire confidence that he
>had a clue what he
>was doing. Those words
>wouldn't provide me a second
>of comfort.
>
>Now here is the question, why
>has every conservative on here
>sold their soul to support
>Trump, who just signed a
>bill that removed spending caps,
>removed the debt ceiling for
>more than year and saw
>a 21% increase in spending
>and an 84% increase in
>the deficit .
>I don't get it.
>Kasich lost, so I supported
>somebody who didn't win.
>Doesn't change the facts that
>we are staring down the
>barrel of Trillions of dollars
>in debt that will take
>place on Trump's watch.
>If a democrat wins the
>White House, what kind of
>standing will Republicans have to
>whine about their debt and
>spending? At some
>point either you are a
>conservative or you are just
>paying lip service to it.
> Rand Paul is
>a fiscal conservative.
>
>Nemont

So?

You're SKEERED of North Korea?

Hopefully We Don't Fight anymore Wars like We have in the Recent Past!

There Comes a Time "Our Button is Bigger than your Button"!
 
Elkass,

Your boyfriend gone for the day? Only a hopeless a$$wipe like you would be for a nuclear war with any body but hey if you want to keep it up, go debate yourself.

You claim all kinds of stupid shyt. If that gets your rocks off, have at it. Still makes you an old used up faker who knows they will never have spend a single day in uniform. So of course you are all for a war you will never have fight in.

Nemont
 
>Elkass,
>
>Your boyfriend gone for the day?
> Only a hopeless
>a$$wipe like you would be
>for a nuclear war with
>any body but hey if
>you want to keep it
>up, go debate yourself.
>
>You claim all kinds of stupid
>shyt. If that gets
>your rocks off, have at
>it. Still makes
>you an old used up
>faker who knows they will
>never have spend a single
>day in uniform. So
>of course you are all
>for a war you will
>never have fight in.
>
>Nemont


Unlike Your Sorry Ass!

I'd Leave on a Seconds Notice!

Instead of PISSING & MOANING about the National Debt!

You Got it all Fixed yet Tough Boy?
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-09-18 AT 04:12PM (MST)[p]Elkass,

I spent 6 years in the Army and I already did a combat tour in Iraq, and did 5 months TDY in Turkey providing security for the troops and helos flying relief to the Kurds after that, unlike you I served my country. How many days have you spent in Uniform? Zero, right?

You should stop and think for a single minute that if you don't care about the debt then don't worry about me pointing it out. You said it doesn't matter, to you it is just money and you don't give two Shyts about it, you are happy to pass the bill to your grand children. So you can just not post on anything I say about the debt.

Nemont
 
Kasich was qualified for what? To take the job & fall in with the rest of the big government politicians? I don't believe he's one bit conservative even tho you've convinced yourself he was going to govern fiscally so. Does your belief in a probable rhino make you a faker also?

I'm not a real trump fan myself but I'm curious to know what factual things have painted the picture of trump for you? I would say he's governed pretty conservative while being the center of a establishment & media induced shytstorm from the beginning. Throwing in with the establishment on this budget & giving into daca are the 2 big black marks for me and warrant questioning. It however doesn't throw me into the nevertrumper insanity crowd frenzy. Thanks for having a rational conversation & helping me understand where your coming from.
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-09-18 AT 04:12PM (MST)[p]OP,

Here is where I was back in 2016. I was never, ever going to vote for Hillary or Bernie or any other socialist. Rand Paul was beaten early in the process, of the possible guys left, Kasich was, IMO, the only one with any experience running a state or being able to navigate the Politics of a legislature. Trump had run a business which is a much different skill set that being an effective political mover. I couldn't stomach Jeb Bush as I don't believe we needed another Bush, just like we didn't need another Clinton.

For me Trump is never to be trusted, he an easily proven liar, overly vain and he claims he is a great deal maker but his deals always resulted in either an average Joe getting stiffed or him not paying his bills. His history of flipping and flopping spooked me of, Still do.

I said when he was elected that he will add Trillions to the debt. We will borrow about $1 Trillion more this year and $1.1 Trillion next year and it is a sea of additional red ink for as far any one can see. Now did Trump do it all, nope, of course not is he a willing participant absolutely and he makes no bones about it.

Now I will respect the Office and he is the duly elected President of the United States. I rest just fine calling him out on his fiscal policies which will be paid by ours and my grandchildren. I think there is moral issue for today's generation to spend it now and pass the bill on. If we are going to do this with a Republican majority and an Republican in the White House then we give up the right to demand the Democrats don't spend and borrow like drunken sailors.

Other than Neil Gorsuch, (which broke the Senate for any future liberal to be seat btw) what else has Trump done to show his conservative Bona Fides?



Nemont
 
>LAST EDITED ON Feb-09-18
>AT 04:12?PM (MST)

>
>Elkass,
>
>I spent 6 years in the
>Army and I already did
>a combat tour in Iraq,
>and did 5 months TDY
>in Turkey providing security for
>the troops and helos flying
>relief to the Kurds after
>that, unlike you I
>served my country. How
>many days have you spent
>in Uniform? Zero, right?
>
>You should stop and think for
>a single minute that if
>you don't care about the
>debt then don't worry about
>me pointing it out.
>You said it doesn't matter,
>to you it is just
>money and you don't give
>two Shyts about it, you
>are happy to pass the
>bill to your grand children.
> So you can just
>not post on anything I
>say about the debt.
>
>Nemont



JUDAS!

I Thought We'd Hear How You were A General in WW II?

We Got 5K-6K Americans Killed in that Worthless IRAQI War!

I'd of done the Fly-Overs & Just about all them Guys would still be alive!

I'd of Flattened that F'N Place & Came Home!

So SMART Guy of Montana!

Do Tell Me what the Difference is between knocking the Whole Country Down Slowly or Swiftly?
 
Alabama's Mo Brooks talks like he's a fiscal conservative. He thinks we may end up like Greece, but with no one to bail us out, headed towards bankruptcy.

"?Symbolically, this vote tells the world that neither party in Washington is financially responsible and leaves American voters and investors with no hope that either party is willing to address America?s deficit threat before America?s creditors bail out, thus forcing America into a debilitating insolvency and bankruptcy that will do great damage to the America it took our ancestors centuries to build.

?The spending bill faced stiff bipartisan opposition as 186 Republicans and Democrats voted against it.?

https://brooks.house.gov/media-center/news-releases/mo-brooks-debt-junkies-win-america-loses



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Greece didn't control its own currency.

I have this one simple question. What is an acceptable amount of debt? Is it zero? Is it 4 trillion? 30 trillion? What level of debt would you be comfortable with Nemont?
 
When the dollar gets replaced as the worlds reserve currency and we cannot create credit out of thin air then we won't control our currency either. Ask the British.

I am comfortable with it below 40% of GDP. How many businesses have succeeded by running debt up to or more than current total out put every year? It doesn't give you much room for the inevitable rainy day or emergency if you are committed not only all your current revenue but also borrowing another 35% to just cover expenses.


Nemont
 
Rand Paul is a libertarian. You need only check his thoughts on drug legalization, etc.

Kasich sucks so bad candidates in his state are fighting over who ISNT endorsed by him.



"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-12-18 AT 09:36AM (MST)[p]Well the guy who won just did the most non conservative thing like he is Obama. Today he is pushing more spending. You should take a look at what happened to his "buy American steel" for building pipelines. It is no where to be found or heard from again.

I guess since you are on team Trump, you sold out your grandchildren also.

Nemont
 
I guess team Hillary would have been better on spending?

And don't weasel and tell me you didn't vote for either. In a 2 choice, 2 party system, you "not voting for".... means you supported the other. Voting 3rd party simply means you decided decisions are just too hard





"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
Hey NVB!

NeMont is worried about one thing & one thing Only!

The ND & what Trump does to it!

He's not Worried about what other Presidents done to it!

Comes just a Little too F'N Late!
 
elkass

You are as phony as Caitlin Jenner?s boob job.

So you fakers don't give a damn because Hillary would have spent too.? That is your excuse for looking the other way when the former Conservative party of the U.S. adds as trillions more?

If you look the other way when Trump is signing new spending bills then you need to just admit you have no principles when it comes to your conservative core values. You are willing to sell them in order to feel like you are winning.

See today he proposed a 25 cents a gallon increase in the gas tax. Hillary doesn't have to be in the White House in order to tax and spend and nary a one of you former conservatives have the nads to call Trump out for it.

No I didn't vote for either because they were two piece of bread in the same Shyt sandwich. If any of you clowns had an ounce of intellectual honesty you would admit it but Trump has you magpies mesmerized by shiny objects of no value.

Nemont
 

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