Amazon sized lies

NVBighorn

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How is it ok for a president to attack a business with lies because he has a problem with its owner? Trump is the only one saying the postal service loses money on Amazon deliveries. He is devaluing the company with his lies single handedly. All because he hates the Washington Post. I bet nearly all 401s and mutuals have Amazon in their portfolios.


https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/trump-goes-after-amazon-again-over-postal-delivery/725830854


Trump goes after Amazon ? again...

On Monday morning, the president tweeted:

?Only fools, or worse, are saying that our money losing Post Office makes money with Amazon. THEY LOSE A FORTUNE, and this will be changed. Also, our fully tax paying retailers are closing stores all over the country?not a level playing field!?

Amazon stock price value dropped by more than 5 percent.

In tweets Saturday, Trump said ?the U.S. Post Office will lose $1.50 on average for each package it delivers for Amazon. That amounts to Billions of Dollars.?

Federal regulators have found the contract with Amazon to be profitable.

Monday afternoon, KIRO 7's Essex Porter asked?White House Principal Deputy Press Secretary Raj Shah if President Trump would be targeting Amazon is founder and CEO Jeff Bezos?didn't own the Washington Post. See the full interview below.

He added: ?If the P.O. ?increased its parcel rates, Amazon?s shipping costs would rise by $2.6 Billion.? This Post Office scam must stop. Amazon must pay real costs (and taxes) now!?

Amazon has been a consistent recipient of Trump?s ire. He is sore because its founder, Jeff Bezos, owns The Washington Post, which Trump has labeled ?fake news? after the newspaper reported unfavorable developments during his campaign and presidency.

Trump made the link himself in Saturday?s tweets, accusing Amazon of using the ?Fake Washington Post? as a lobbyist. The Post and Bezos have responded to Trump?s lobbyist claims in the past by declaring that Bezos is not involved in any journalistic decisions at the paper. Amazon.com Inc. and The Washington Post declined to comment Saturday.

Amazon lives and dies by shipping, and an increase in the rates it pays could certainly do some damage. Amazon sends packages via the post office, FedEx, UPS and other services.

But while the U.S. Postal Service has lost money for 11 years, package delivery ? which has been a bright spot for the service ? is not the reason.

Boosted by e-commerce, the Postal Service has enjoyed double-digit increases in revenue from delivering packages, but that hasn't been enough to offset pension and health care costs as well as declines in first-class letters and marketing mail. Together, letters and marketing mail make up more than two-thirds of postal revenue.

In arguing that the Postal Service is losing money on delivering packages for Amazon, Trump appears to be citing some Wall Street analyses that argue the Postal Service?s formula for calculating its costs is outdated. A 2017 analysis by Citigroup did conclude that the Postal Service was charging below market rates as a whole on parcels. Still, federal regulators have reviewed the Amazon contract with the Postal Service each year and determined it to be profitable.

A spokesman for the U.S. Postal Service declined to comment. An independent agency, it does not use taxpayer money for its operations.

The post office does not break down what is driving its growth, but online ordering from retailers, particularly Amazon.com, has revolutionized the way goods are bought and delivered. The Postal Service reached new highs last year in holiday package delivery, with more than 850 million U.S. parcels delivered from Thanksgiving to New Year?s Eve, according to figures compiled by industry tracker ShipMatrix Inc.

The Postal Service says it set a record on Dec. 18 when more than 37 million packages were delivered, the most in a single day in its more than 240 year history.

Amazon has taken some steps toward becoming more self-reliant in shipping. Last year, it announced it would build a worldwide air cargo hub in Kentucky, about 13 miles southwest of Cincinnati
 
Not a day goes by we don't get another reminder of what a POS the minority elected as president. every decision, every word, every action the orange man makes is 100% about Trump. Lying in his mind is not a problem because if it benefits him it's the right thing to do.

as someone said , " I'd hate to tell Trump what happened the last time a president went to war with the Post and ruin the story for him, but he should check it out "

I hope Amazon sues Trump's azz off.


http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/04/...eff-bezos-feud-cavuto-napolitano-react?page=1






Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
I suspect it is a "smash and grab".....stock price will plummet then connected friends and family will swoop in to buy....

....perfected by previous presidents....


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You give him a lot of credit.

It will likely end up that way but I don't have so much confidence in Trumps intelligence to believe HE knows what he's doing.

Calling every drop in the market a "buying opportunity" is just another way for brokers to get more of your money on the way down. In the end you're in too late and left holding the bag.
 
This is simply a personal matter between Trump and Bezos . everything is personal with Trump because everything is about Trump. period.









Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
The mailman stops at my mail box six days a week whether I get mail or not. The mail truck and the labor costs are pretty much fixed. Any amount of money from Amazon has to be a plus because he's driving here anyway.

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>The mailman stops at my mail
>box six days a week
>whether I get mail or
>not. The mail truck and
>the labor costs are pretty
>much fixed. Any amount of
>money from Amazon has to
>be a plus because he's
>driving here anyway.
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Not according to your hero in the White House. $60 Billion in equity lost for stock owners since Trump started his anti Bezos BS. Trump can't stand real billionaires.

Nemont

Government is like a baby. An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no responsibility at the other.
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-08-18 AT 04:11AM (MST)[p]Amazon is costing our federal government billions.



#livelikezac
 
How is it costing taxpayers?

Government is like a baby. An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no responsibility at the other.
 
It's adding to our national debt. Why don't you care about your grandchildren?

#livelikezac
 
DW

Just because Trump told you doesn't mean it is true.

You made the claim. Prove it.




Government is like a baby. An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no responsibility at the other.
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-08-18 AT 01:22PM (MST)[p]They're taking advantage of the subsidies the USPS gets from us. The USPS is able to give them a cheaper rate because of these subsidies. Isn't that what you always said
any tax break adds to our debt? Who do you think will bail out the USPS in the end for them giving these cut rates? Will that money add to our debt? But you're getting free delivery so screw the grandkids!



#livelikezac
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-08-18 AT 01:45PM (MST)[p]Then why did you cheer to slash Amazon?s taxes? You can't have it both ways.



Government is like a baby. An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no responsibility at the other.
 
>>You think Amazon pays federal taxes,
>>that's cute.
>>
>>
>>#livelikezac
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>That depends on who you ask.
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>https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/amazon-earned-5-6b-in-2017-but-paid-no-federal-taxes
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>Or
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>https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/16/us/politics/trump-amazon-taxes.html
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>They can't both be right can
>they? Yet they both quote
>what appear to be real
>reports.


Just Like any other Thing that's Posted here!

The Hillaryettes will Counter it with some BS Link!











It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D
 
Don't know about NVB?

But a few others on here will Find Links to Suit their own ways of Thinking and then Call it Proof when they Post it in here just because they found a F'N Phony Link on the Web!











It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D
 
>So what do your eyes and
>your gut tell you NV?
>
>
>
>#livelikezac


I think they have both cherry-picked the bits of "truth" that tell the story they want to tell. NYtimes picked out the truth that makes Trump look stupid and dishonest. Fox picked out the bits that make him look like he's not lying and that Amazon is evil, even tho they epitomize capitalist success at its finest. Which one has the easier job?
 
No doubt Amazon hurts the little retailer. I went looking for a small item just the other day. I went to two stores, burned a bunch of gas, took a bunch of time, hassled the parking. Couldn't find it so I went home and ordered it on Amazon. I should have just done that to begin with, and lots of people do. I don't have Prime so I usually pay shipping.

Sometimes I pay sales tax and sometimes I don't. I don't know why.

But if Amazon is taking business away from small retailers and not paying income taxes....that's a back breaker for everybody.

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Let me get this right, the orange man who won't release his tax returns is bashing Amazon for not paying enough taxes under the system he put in place.

And the slurps are slurping it up. sounds about right.











Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-09-18 AT 09:36AM (MST)[p]Imagine if Trump and his Dumb Stooges cared as much about the actual exploding Deficit and Debt as they do about the post office.

So can any of those claiming that Amazon is destroying the Post Office's bottom line quantify the actual bottom line number? Is it a Billion, $10 Billion? If you are going to parrot the President that Amazon is bad you and he should be able to explain what the cost is. Since I am told betting is childish let's do this. If you cannot show me the actual number that the post office says Amazon is costing them, then you need to admit you are just a stooge via a post on this forum and explain that you don't truly care about Amazon or the Post office or what it cost. If you can nail down an actual number and defend it, I will delete my account for ever.

No betting just a transaction. It is either or.


Don't ever let facts determine the Truth if you are a Trump voter, always ignore facts and ignore what actually is happening. You just need to be an obedient Stooge and listen to what Trump claims and run with it.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/arti...s-not-amazon-messed-up-the-u-s-postal-service

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...mp-usps-postal-service-amazon-losing-fortune/

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/06/tru...ping-off-post-office-but-its-complicated.html

The length Trumpettes go to defend every idiotic utterances shows a complete lack of honesty.

Nemont

Government is like a baby. An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no responsibility at the other.
 
None of us can answer that question because the deal is considered proprietary.


#livelikezac
 
Facts and Trumpettes are like oil and water.

https://about.usps.com/news/national-releases/2017/pr17_069.htm




It is first class mail where the post office is losing out, not shipping of packages.

The growth in our Shipping and Packages business provided some help to the financial picture of the Postal Service as revenue increased $2.1 billion, or 11.8 percent. However, that growth was offset in our financials by the decline in mail volumes discussed above, as well as a $1.1 billion 2016 noncash change in accounting estimate and the 2016 roll-back of the exigent surcharge mandated by the Postal Regulatory Commission which further reduced revenue by $1.1 billion from what it otherwise would have been.


In addition since 2013 the PRC which, by law, must make sure any deal with the Post Office must make financial sense has approved the PO's contract with Amazon.

Try not being a stooge, if you want to break up Amazon fine, do it in an honest way instead of using fake facts, out right lies and most important stop believing Trump when he speaks.


Nemont



Government is like a baby. An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no responsibility at the other.
 
>None of us can answer that
>question because the deal is
>considered proprietary.
>
>
>#livelikezac


so you admit that both your and Trump don't know what the phuk you are talking out of both sides of your mouth about? That is acceptable to me.

How about this, how much money did Trump's Tax bill deliver to Amazons bottom line if Amazon doesn't pay taxes? Be specific here because that number is out there and you haven't busted Trump's chops once for doing it.

You shouldn't be a stooge just because you need to defend your vote.

Nemont

Government is like a baby. An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no responsibility at the other.
 
If they're hemorrhaging money why are they giving anyone a cut-rate deal? We both know Amazon is able to ship things cheaper through the post office than any other company. If you don't believe this there's no point in continuing the discussion.



#livelikezac
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-09-18 AT 10:18AM (MST)[p]
That isn't what the President claimed. He claimed that because of Amazon the PO is losing billions and billions. If you don't know what the deal contains how are you able to make a single claim about it?

If that were true then why did the PRC, under Trumps administration, approve the contract with Amazon in 2017?

At some point a little honesty would be refreshing. Neither you nor Trump are attacking Amazon based on the facts, only on what Trump's claim is. He can't prove a single word of it nor can you. That means there isn't any basis to even have this discussion until the actual numbers are known.

In addition why do we have a post office? How many tax payer dollars did the PO use last year to subsidize Amazon? Why doesn't Trump go to Congress who can fix it instead of attacking Amazon stock holders?

Why do you defend every idiotic Trump move and give him a pass on his liberal agenda items?

Nemont



Government is like a baby. An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no responsibility at the other.
 

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