AN AMERICAN FIASCO

Bolt · Aug 16, 2018

The spending just gets worse. I have an accounting major and I struggle with this one....

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/19msr.pdf

The debt service line on 14

The unrealistic expected GDP sustainability over the next 10 years....page 19 (pdf 19 not doc page 19)

pdf page 57 out of control defense spending over 10 years increasing by 90b or so per year! Why? I thought we werent going to police the world anymore....shouldnt that save cash?

Sheeeesh

I like the 25% cuts to epa...cuts to HUD...cuts to other programs...why spend more when we are borrowing? But come on guys...dont call yourselves conservatives if ya cant balance the budget!?

OchocoKid · Aug 16, 2018

Glad you finally looked at it. so are you admitting the tax cuts were a con job ?

We need to spend less money , but it's debatable where the cuts should come from. what if we cut spending on our unconstitutional military and welfare to Israel and other nations who have more money than we do and keep saving the environment on the books ?

Stay Thirsty My Friends

Bolt · Aug 16, 2018

>
> Glad you finally looked at
>it. so are you admitting
>the tax cuts were a
>con job ?
>

Tax cuts had to happen. The rest of the industrialized world have 20% tax rates on corporations. We have to compete. Spending needs to be dealt with.

> We need to spend less
>money , but it's
>debatable where the cuts should
>come from. what
>if we cut spending on
>our unconstitutional military and welfare
>to Israel and other nations
>who have more money than
>we do and keep saving
>the environment on the books
>?
>
>

Cut it all. Every danned budget gets a 3% cut this year. Then next year we cut again 3%.

Absolutly cut the nuts off NPR and funding for Big Bird. Cut spending on NATIONAL FOUNDATION FOR THE ARTS...all that BS gets cut asap. We have over 600 military installations around the globe...cut that to 300.

Keep regulations in place to clean up the environment but why spend cash on it? Keep the EPA on a limited basis...make each employee of the government have a component of their pay based on commission or performance of some type.

Thing is. Trump is doing better than anyone else on the ballet would have. So, it sucks...but he is doing better than other would have...

But still a hopeless cause unless we get this chit handled balanced...and paid back

NeMont · Aug 16, 2018

How do you figure Trump is doing better if his own budget shows multiple years of Trillion dollar deficits?

Nemont

Government is like a baby. An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no responsibility at the other.

Bolt · Aug 16, 2018

Common sense tells me he is doing better than Hillary would have....

And the numbers show he is doing about as well as Obama was.

We may be past the point of return if we cant find someone willing to cut spending.

NeMont · Aug 16, 2018

>Common sense tells me he is
>doing better than Hillary would
>have....

That is your excuse? I thought the tax cuts would pay for themselves and the economy would make up for all the spending?

>And the numbers show he is
>doing about as well as
>Obama was.

So he on the same level as a guy you proclaim is a terrorist. Makes sense if you don't think about it. Spending like a liberal president is now a badge of honor?

>
>We may be past the point
>of return if we cant
>find someone willing to cut
>spending.

So voting for Republicans or Democrats doesn't much matter when it comes to fiscal issues? Both spend like drunken sailors.

You are going to get booted out of the True Beleivers: Trump is the Greatest Club here on mm.com if you point out he is on par with Obama on the debt.

Nemont

Government is like a baby. An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no responsibility at the other.

opbuckslayer · Aug 16, 2018

Kasich would be just another drunken sailor numbnuts. Your assertion that everybody here that doesn't have a chronic case of TDS supports everything trump does is lame at best and make you look like the little whiney ##### you are. You even got 440 swinging on your meat for gods sake. That should tell you something.

Love to hear the name of the great conservative that is gonna swoop in and do all the things the self proclaimed smartest guy in the room nemont wants?

NeMont · Aug 16, 2018

How about one better and hold the guy in charge to some standard? Or is that too hard to understand? Shouldn't matter who is sitting the deciders chair for them to do what is right for the future. Has zero to do with a swooping hero.

As for you clowns who can't get past me writing in Kasich but still admit being a Trump lover, I give two shyts. In the end when you have supported a free spending regime and you don't have any semblance of a leg to stand on when the next liberal spends like your current love interest.

Keep pretending my writing in Kasich when Trump won Montana by 20% mattered to anything. It just shows how the public education system in Utah must not teach about how the electoral college system in our Constitution actually works.

Nemont

Government is like a baby. An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no responsibility at the other.

264mag · Aug 16, 2018

>How about one better and hold
>the guy in charge to
>some standard? Or is
>that too hard to understand?
>Shouldn't matter who is sitting
>the deciders chair for them
> to do what is
>right for the future. Has
>zero to do with a
>swooping hero.
>
>As for you clowns who can't
>get past me writing in
>Kasich but still admit being
>a Trump lover, I give
>two shyts. In the
>end when you have supported
>a free spending regime and
>you don't have any semblance
>of a leg to stand
>on when the next liberal
>spends like your current love
>interest.
>
>Keep pretending my writing in Kasich
>when Trump won Montana by
>20% mattered to anything.
>It just shows how
>the public education system in
>Utah must not teach about
>how the electoral college system
>in our Constitution actually works.
>
>
>Nemont
>
>
>
>Government is like a baby. An
>alimentary canal with a big
>appetite at one end and
>no responsibility at the other.
>
LOL. Okay 2 shyts why don't you tell everyone here that you really don't give 2 shyts about anything, you have said that you are here just for the fun of how you can get a reaction ?

NeMont · Aug 16, 2018

LAST EDITED ON Aug-16-18 AT 01:32PM (MST)[p]I admit it is funny to me that people want to claim they are the conservatives conservative and still love Trump. Especially those who claim to both conservative and Christian/Mormon.

Do this; Look at Trump's budget Summary on the first table in his budget. Look at what the combined deficits in his budget between 2019-2023, This is before any unforeseen things like a recession, interest rate spike, natural disaster, war etc. might happen.

$5 Trillion in new debt without congress marking it up.

Now make the case how a conservative can defend this? Is it because it is only to be projected half of Obama's debt? Is it because the economy growing on borrowed money makes you throw out your conservative values?

Nemont

Government is like a baby. An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no responsibility at the other.

opbuckslayer · Aug 16, 2018

? bashing his every move on the internet is holding him to a standard? Ok genius. Pretty sure I've read lots of disagreements with policy on here from many people. And frankly what does it change as far as how the government is run anyway? How bout 0?

Getting lectured by nemont -Kasich is like a meth addict lecturing a heroine junky about how dangerous drugs are. Your just a big hypocritical plick with a bad case of TDS. Your response just proved me to be right.

NeMont · Aug 16, 2018

So you can't defend it and are just a victim of but when a democrat does it you are outraged. Sounds about right, instead of making the case of why your vote for Trump was so right, you attack somebody who didn't.

Getting lectured by a coward who let others do the fighting and dying when the country was scouring every corner of the country to support the surge and believe producing a product is equal to their sacrifice proves more to me about you then anything else.

Nemont

Government is like a baby. An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no responsibility at the other.

opbuckslayer · Aug 16, 2018

Wtf are you talking about??‍

Bolt · Aug 16, 2018

Look guys, the penny plan is the best idea going.

EVEN IT DIDNT BALANCE THE BUDGET FOR 10 YEARS

10 YEARS

10 friggin years

NeMont, you know your Trump Derangement Syndrome is getting annoying. Put some lotion on it.

You know....you absolutely know...

YOU ABSOLUTELY KNOW....Hillary would have been worse.

Obama would have been worse

We would not have 4.2% GDP growth...Obama was 1.3

Trump IS KILLING THESE RETARDS!

YEAH! His plan adds more debt. I get it and it sucks....BUT IT IS THE BEST PLAN WE HAD TO PICK FROM GIVEN A CHOICE OF HILLARY AND TRUMP!

NeMont · Aug 17, 2018

>Look guys, the penny plan is
>the best idea going.
>
>EVEN IT DIDNT BALANCE THE BUDGET
>FOR 10 YEARS
>
>10 YEARS
>
>10 friggin years
>
>NeMont, you know your Trump Derangement
>Syndrome is getting annoying.
>Put some lotion on it.
>
>
>You know....you absolutely know...
>
>YOU ABSOLUTELY KNOW....Hillary would have been
>worse.
>
>Obama would have been worse
>
>We would not have 4.2% GDP
>growth...Obama was 1.3
>
>Trump IS KILLING THESE RETARDS!
>
>YEAH! His plan adds more
>debt. I get
>it and it sucks....BUT IT
>IS THE BEST PLAN WE
>HAD TO PICK FROM GIVEN
>A CHOICE OF HILLARY AND
>TRUMP!

There I knew you could make and excuse for Trump further running up the debt. I never doubted your ability to do it. Congrats you are a bonafide member of the TDS club: Trump's Dumb Stooges.

You better be just as willing to own the outcome of Trump's policies when it goes south as you are today. You should read the entire budget you posted at look at what even they say happens to the economy after 2024. I know you don't much care about the future so maybe that doesn't matter to you.

Nemont

Government is like a baby. An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no responsibility at the other.