Johnston Muzzleloaders. Anyone have experience with them

A friend has one - it is more technology than I want, especially for a "muzzleloading" season. With a 4x12 scope, it will shoot 4" groups at 300 yards, and reminds me of the Best of the West shows shooting elk at 700 yards. YUCK!

The craftmanship is superb, and it does all they claim. Where it would be legal, I guess its OK if it doesn't offend your sensibilities. I love muzzleloading, but would never buy one. Learn to hunt, and don't have to take animal to be sucessful. Give it your best effort and let the chips fall where they may.
 
"tactical muzzleloader" = OXYMORON
Whats the point if your going to shoot 500 yards BUY A RIFLE.
 
>"tactical muzzleloader" = OXYMORON
>Whats the point if your going
>to shoot 500 yards BUY
>A RIFLE.

Easy to Answer that Question JACK-TARD!

We Buy a Rifle We're gonna Shoot 1,000 Yards!

Just keep shootin your Flint-f'n-Lock!





The Dew I had for Breakfast wasn't Bad so I had one more for Dessert!:D
 
I wish we could go the other way. I would gladly go back to the Hawkin and even go patch and ball if we could have the first of november season back.

I am convinced though that if we ported a daisy bb gun, dudes would line up in droves to buy a long range air rifle.


"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
I knew all the internet geniuses would chime in. I got guys that probably hunt a couple times a year telling me to learn to hunt.

Other guys that tell me if I want to shoot further use a rifle.

Thanks for all the concern.

If you have personal experience with one of these I would be interested in talking to you.

Bess, I will send you a pm.
 
I shoot a very modern inline .50 and I dont take shots past 200 yards,part of ml hunting is GETTING CLOSE.You just want to hunt the ML season without the challenge of a ML,dont try to make it sound like your some long range junkie.If your into LR stick to the rifle,if you cant handle the challenge of a ML hunt dont apply for the tags.I suppose you have a 300 yard bow?
 
You dont know jack shyt about me.

Some people just cant help popping off, even though they do not know what they are talking about.

Take the scope off your rifle. We did not have them 50 years ago. Stick with iron sights.

Is this close enough?


Here is some of the stuff we have killed with my Omegas.


Wifes ML bull at 165 yards 325



Mountain lion that came in to my cow call during my ML bull hunt last year.


My wifes other ML bull 362


My archery bull 322
http://www.monstermuleys.info/photos/user_photos/58322007_archery_bull_nm_(9).jpg


My ML bull 150 yards
57712008_valle_caldera_bull_007.jpg



why I am wasting my time explaining myself to a dumbazz is beyond me.

Bottom line is that you should go into the field with the best equipment you can afford and spend the time learning how to use it.

Does this mean I would take a 500 yard ML shot? Doubt it.

But, it means my 200 yard or 300 yard can be more precise and more lethal.

So mind your own GD business.

Stick to a 30-30 lever action for all your rifle hunting, because that is all we had 100 years ago and you have principals.
 
Paul, I don't know why you bothered to "explain yoursef" either.

The internet is full of jackwagons that think it's their duty to "Set things straight" and teach people a lesson, or whatever dumba$$ reason they have for spouting off stupid crap.

Me and many others know for a FACT that you do not need any life lessons or be told anything. You're an ethical hunter and great person.

Hopefully someone that owns one of these smokepoles will chime in with some actual helpful information... I'm interested in learning about these also.
 
Paul I don't own one of these muzzy's, yet! I met a guy at the range not to long back that was putting some amazing groups out of it at 300 and 400 yards. This muzzle loader will only make your long shots, 250-300 yards, more ethical and give you all that much more confidence when shooting those ranges. What an awesome gun!


I just call em as I see em!
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-27-13 AT 10:26PM (MST)[p]

500+ with a ML isnt ethical in anyone's book but your own(and the rest of the coolaid drinkers)Those MLs are nothing more than a remington 700 action and a .50 cal ML barrel.FYI your sabots are illegal here and I dont use a scope,peep only. My absolute favorite method of hunting is with a bow,shots under 50 yards.Even if you dont connect you know you were able to get close.Im aware that doesnt mean anything to many hunters who are all about the rack,not the hunt.Post up a pic of a raghorn you killed at 20 yards with a bow and I would be impressed.LR hunting is more about the shot than the hunt.I thought is was pretty impressive when someone makes a loonnng shot on animal until I found out how lame it really is.ML hunts/seasons were created for people who were into the challenge that ML hunting presents,obviously that isnt you.You dont have to explain yourself to anyone,but if you dont want to hear different opinions maybe you shouldnt post yours on the net.
 
>LAST EDITED ON Apr-27-13
>AT 10:26?PM (MST)
>
>
>
>500+ with a ML isnt ethical
>in anyone's book but your
>own(and the rest of the
>coolaid drinkers)

Jeezus, how stupid are you?? Where did I say I was taking or not taking a 500 yard shot?
Coolaid drinker?? Your use of an internetism is out of context.
If you want to sound clever, at least figure out what a phrase means.



Those MLs are nothing
>more than a remington 700
>action and a .50 cal
>ML barrel.

So why are you even responding to my post?

It is still a muzzleloader right?? For crissakes get a life. Is there something missing in your life that you have to go on the internet and act like a know it all?


FYI your sabots are
>illegal here and I don't
>use a scope,peep only.


Don't know where "here" is, but, I assume it is MT. Bully for you.
However, why aren't you using a Hawkens or some other flintlock. 15 years ago you would have had to call yourself out for breaking tradition and cheating with an inline. Are you starting to see how effing dumb you are?


My
>absolute favorite method of hunting
>is with a bow,shots under
>50 yards.Even if you dont
>connect you know you were
>able to get close.Im aware
>that doesnt mean anything to
>many hunters who are all
>about the rack,not the hunt.Post
>up a pic of a
>raghorn you killed at 20
>yards with a bow and
>I would be impressed.

Here are a couple raghorns.



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74402010_archery_buck_kevin_and_gene_oryx_018.jpg






LR hunting
>is more about the shot
>than the hunt.I thought is
>was pretty impressive when someone
>makes a loonnng shot on
>animal until I found out
>how lame it really is.

So moron, go make your own post about how you feel about long range hunting.
Certainly there is a huge group of people out there interested in your opinion.

This topic has been beaten to death, and it has nothing to do with my post. I asked if someone had experience with a brand of ML.
As I mentioned before, you dont know jack about me. Bottom line, is I am considering buying this ML because it appears to be better and more lethal than what I have now.


ML
>hunts/seasons were created for people
>who were into the challenge
>that ML hunting presents,obviously that
>isnt you.
Fail Mr. Internet detective, you know nothing about me.

You dont have to
>explain yourself to anyone,but if
>you dont want to hear
>different opinions maybe you shouldnt
>post yours on the net.
>

I knew when I posted inquiring if anyone had experience with these guns, the internet losers would show up. You are just to stupid to know when to shut your pie hole.
 
>Paul message sent..hope it helps.If you
>have any questions feel free
>to PM me.


MO, did not get the pm. thanks
 
I saw one once Paul. I was looking at the M-111 at one time too just for the workmanship and accuracy.
But settled on the Omega like you. Love it still,and can hit 3-4" groups @200.
Not that I go around spouting about long range ethics and such as some do....I still get within bow range most times. Even with the 700-30-06 . And I'm talking my old Pearson straight bow range. Maybe MR. knowitall will give up his super bow and go with a real one sometime.... and stick to lucky shots with a primitive blackpowder gun. Geeez....some people.

You are a great guy and hunter Paul. That's what I know.
 
+1 on Paul being a great guy and an asset to MM. Sorry you got hassled here because most of us know all that you've done and the help you have given.

I'm curious about those muzz rifles, too. Wish Wyoming had a muzz season. Not using a muzz on anything this year, but maybe in 2014.

Good luck in your hunts, Paul. Keep stacking them up.
 
Paul...I have always enjoyed your posts here on MM. Guys like 7thgen are ruining what used to be a really good site to exchange info and make friends. Keep posting and do not like douche people like him from keeping the rest of us from enjoying what you have to share.

My uncle bought one of these ML, actually one of the first ones they made. PM me if you want any more info....
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-29-13 AT 08:52AM (MST)[p]Many many years ago (1970 or so) PA started a ML season after XMASS and it was flintlock only. You can take buck or doe. It still stands that way today. My only change would be to add cap and ball.

I use a modern ML and took my Fishlake UT elk with one. But in all honestly I don't classify my Encore as a ML.

I really think the pervious poster is just a little frustrated over the way ML guns have gone. Not sure it was a personal attack. Just another guy with an opinion.
 
>Paul...I have always enjoyed your posts
>here on MM. Guys like
>7thgen are ruining what used
>to be a really good
>site to exchange info and
>make friends. Keep posting and
>do not like douche people
>like him from keeping the
>rest of us from enjoying
>what you have to share.
>
>
>My uncle bought one of these
>ML, actually one of the
>first ones they made. PM
>me if you want any
>more info....


Sent you a pm, thanks
 
>LAST EDITED ON Apr-29-13
>AT 08:52 AM (MST)
>
>Many many years ago (1970 or
>so) PA started a ML
>season after XMASS and it
>was flintlock only. You can
>take buck or doe. It
>still stands that way today.
>My only change would be
>to add cap and ball.
>
>
>I use a modern ML and
>took my Fishlake UT elk
>with one. But in
>all honestly I don't classify
>my Encore as a ML.
>
>
>I really think the pervious poster
>is just a little frustrated
>over the way ML guns
>have gone. Not sure
>it was a personal attack.
> Just another guy with
>an opinion.


I know what your trying to say. However, look at my original post.

I asked if anyone had experience with a certain ML. That is all.

Then you get some asshat to take the ball and run with it.

This is the reason alot of LEGITIMATE hunters do not post their pics and stories.
They are then subject to the internet losers that want to find issues and problems with every post. They do not want to deal with it.

I avoid these long range arguments. I know my abilities and stay within them. My 15 yr old son is a much better shooter than I am. I allow him to take longer shots than I allow myself.

If there was a good season for cap and ball in a unit that I wanted to hunt with good dates I would apply for it. I would then buy the most capable weapon that is within the guidelines of the hunt.

I am into hunting. I like to fish.. not cut bait. The weapon is a tool for me to do what I love. I want the best that I can afford and can be proficient with that is within the rules of the hunt.

And, as you can see, I am pissed that I have to explain myself to little internet punks. (tracker, that is not directed at you). I do understand your point, and you did not come across accusing me of something.
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-29-13 AT 12:39PM (MST)[p]Your the guy who flipped out about it,started calling names and turned into the DRAMA queen.
"Legitimate" ML hunters dont look for 500 yard shots.
"My 15 yr old son is a much better shooter than I am. I allow him to take longer shots than I allow myself."
Classic....
 
NMPaul,
I posted a link in the muzzleloader section, to a thread on a different forum that I believe is about this particular muzzy. hope it helps.
 
>LAST EDITED ON Apr-29-13
>AT 12:39 PM (MST)
>
>Your the guy who flipped out
>about it,started calling names and
>turned into the DRAMA queen.
>
>"Legitimate" ML hunters dont look for
>500 yard shots.
>"My 15 yr old son is
>a much better shooter than
>I am. I allow him
>to take longer shots than
>I allow myself."
>Classic....

What planet are you from? Where did anyone ever mention 500 yard ML shots besides you?

What you seem to think is "classic" is me knowing my limitations and staying within them. I would not be surprised if my 15 yr old son has killed more quality animals DIY than you have. He has been hunting since he was 7 and has killed more than most casual adult hunters.

I am not exactly sure why you are so slow. You just dont seem to get it. This post is not what you want it to be about.

If you got a problem with long range anything go make your own post and I am sure everyone will circle around to hear your genius.

Like I mentioned before, it is losers like you that keep a lot of hardcore hunters from posting. They do not feel like dealing with little girls that have not accomplished anything critiquing their posts or pictures.

Go find a group of 12 year olds that might be impressed with what you have to say.
 
Paul...do not try to argue with 7thgen...if you research any of his posts, he is a troll and a complete IDIOT! Dont bring yourself to his level...ignore him like most already have.

I got your PM and will give you some info.
 
Paul,
I am by no means an expert on muzzleloaders. What i do know is that 30 minutes into my unit 15 late muzzy hunt Nov 17, 2012 i was looking at a big 6x6 bull, biggest bull i have seen in the wild, video camera was rolling. I had shot probably 100 rounds at the range working up the perfect load for this moment. My maximum range was 250yrds and you guessed it, the bull ranged 315yrds and we were bluffed up with him directly below us. I had to watch him walk outa my life. That was pretty much the end of the hunt. Tag soup. My guide told me about the ultimate muzzleloader and one of the hunters in camp took an elk with his at 300+ yards. Within a week of that hunt i had one on order. Hell yes they are expensive but i figure i have $2000 binos, $2600 spotter, $300 pack, 50k truck, etc etc but i couldnt kill that bull with any of em! Lol.
Paul just call Mr Kenneth Johnston himself. He loves to talk about his muzzleloaders and takes great pride in them. All i can say is dont judge or doubt me if i say my next bull was taken with a muzzy at 500 yrds. It is as accurate at 500 yrds as my prohunter is at 200. Mr Kenneth claims they are lethal to that distance as well. You can build it the way you want. They are all custom order. DO NOT SKIMP ON THE MUZZLE BRAKE! He also has some sweet leupolds with custom turrets.
O one more thing. I ordered mine about Dec 1 and it was delivered the first week of April so dont procrastinate to long.
 
>NMPaul,
>I posted a link in the
>muzzleloader section, to a thread
>on a different forum that
>I believe is about this
>particular muzzy. hope it helps.
>

Got it thank you. Hearing lots of good about them.
 
>Paul...do not try to argue with
>7thgen...if you research any of
>his posts, he is a
>troll and a complete IDIOT!
>Dont bring yourself to his
>level...ignore him like most already
>have.
>
>I got your PM and will
>give you some info.


Thanks Fishlake for the pm.

I hear you about this bozo. I normally do ignore those guys, but, just tired of the do nothings taking pot shots and contributing nothing.
These punks need to be exposed for the losers they are.
 
>Paul,
>I am by no means an
>expert on muzzleloaders. What i
>do know is that 30
>minutes into my unit 15
>late muzzy hunt Nov 17,
>2012 i was looking
>at a big 6x6 bull,
>biggest bull i have seen
>in the wild, video camera
>was rolling. I had shot
>probably 100 rounds at the
>range working up the perfect
>load for this moment. My
>maximum range was 250yrds and
>you guessed it, the bull
>ranged 315yrds and we were
>bluffed up with him directly
>below us. I had to
>watch him walk outa my
>life. That was pretty much
>the end of the hunt.
>Tag soup. My guide told
>me about the ultimate muzzleloader
>and one of the hunters
>in camp took an elk
>with his at 300+ yards.
>Within a week of that
>hunt i had one on
>order. Hell yes they are
>expensive but i figure i
>have $2000 binos, $2600 spotter,
>$300 pack, 50k truck, etc
>etc but i couldnt kill
>that bull with any of
>em! Lol.
>Paul just call Mr Kenneth Johnston
>himself. He loves to talk
>about his muzzleloaders and takes
>great pride in them. All
>i can say is dont
>judge or doubt me if
>i say my next bull
>was taken with a muzzy
>at 500 yrds. It is
>as accurate at 500 yrds
>as my prohunter is at
>200. Mr Kenneth claims they
>are lethal to that distance
>as well. You can build
>it the way you want.
>They are all custom order.
>DO NOT SKIMP ON THE
>MUZZLE BRAKE! He also
>has some sweet leupolds with
>custom turrets.
>O one more thing. I ordered
>mine about Dec 1 and
>it was delivered the first
>week of April so dont
>procrastinate to long.


Thanks for the info. Sending you a pm. curious about what model you got, and muzzle brake.
 
Paul,

We use Ultimates a ton down here in the Gila. Killed bulls 450+ yards with them. They are what they are advertised.

I have a lot more to say about them but you can pm me and we can chat privately
 
Fudge me. It's guys like this inbred for 7 generations dude that keep me away from this placce most the time.

WTF does it matter what he want's to hunt with? People have been by upgraded equipment for years. We owe it to the animals we hunt to find better more ethical ways to hunt them. If that means buying a ML that is more presice then go for it.
 
>Fudge me. It's guys like this
>inbred for 7 generations dude
>that keep me away from
>this placce most the time.
>
>
>WTF does it matter what he
>want's to hunt with? People
>have been by upgraded equipment
>for years. We owe it
>to the animals we hunt
>to find better more ethical
>ways to hunt them. If
>that means buying a ML
>that is more presice then
>go for it.


Thank you
 
If extending your range with a muzzy isn't an issue, I don't suppose the one in question is any better than your Omni. I find it interesting that some guys take a beating for buying a rifle capable of longer range shots, but buying a muzzleloader capable of the same is acceptable. mtmuley
 

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